je me nomme COLL juanito je suis né le 07/09/51 CAEN CALVADOS FRANCIA mon père COLL José né le 09/12/1915 à VALENCIA ESPAGNA ma mère FABAR-CUENCA Conception né le 11/12/1915 à JATIVA ESPAGNA Jai de la famille à VALENCIA et à TORRENTE. Merci pour les personnes pouvant me donner des renseignements sur les coll pouvant être de ma famille Mon email:[email protected]

In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] says... > > > > Intellectual argument of the Issues at hand: > www.onelist.com/subscribe/issues > Para asuntos Hispanos, en Castellano: www.onelist.com/subscribe/boriken > > > From: spike <[email protected]> > > Further to the question of whether the U.S. > Government counts Hispanics as White or not: > time constraints have thus fsr prevented me from > tracking this all the way back to original > sources, but this site at least provides some > links to start with for anyone who chooses to do > so. > > http://sites.netscape.net/campeador/euroamerican/papers/classification.htm > > > > ===== > *************************************** > It took forty thousand years for > [Mankind] to develop a thumb; it'll > probably take him ANOTHER forty > thousand to get it out of his ass. > -- Dennis Miller > *************************************** > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. > http://im.yahoo.com > > << Attached file: 14505.htm (662 bytes) >> > Ad Astra is not affiliated with any political or religious organization, and > will summarily unsubscribe any individual promulgating theories of social > engineering based solely on age, gender, nationality, race, belief system, > sexual preference, or any other arbitrary criterion. > **************************************** > Please send all personal flames directly to the author of this > message, NOT to the list!!!!! > Organizations like the Census Bureau do not assign a race to the ethnic group "Hispanics/Latino". As you are well aware, Hispanics come in all colors, just like "Americans" for that matter. Most US residents have been exposed to one particular "race" of Hispanics, and there's where the stereotype begins. They have seen either Indian or mestizo Mexicans (not all Mexicans, of course) because that's the class that tends to come to the US as low-wage workers. I personally would categorize that class as "American Indian", if I may push the definition a bit, or as "other". The issue for Census purposes is what those people consider themselves to be, since they are the ones who respond to such a question. On the other hand, what race a, say W.A.S.P, would perceive them to be is entirely another matter. Technically speaking, a Spaniard (from Spain) is not a Hispanic so he/she must probably will classify himself/herself as white. Hispanics are the people of Latin America and the Caribbean who claim to originally have had ancestry from the people of Spain. As a result, not even Brazilians are Hispanics! Do you think the average "Joe six-pack" knows or even cares to understand all this? :)

Prueba recibida en el grupo. Ala orden. Chamico <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected] > Esta es una prueba para ingresal al grupo > > Gracias >

Esta es una prueba para ingresal al grupo Gracias

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"Rolando García-Pacheco" wrote: > > Javier Rubio, Alcalá de Henares, <[email protected]> > José E. Sánchez <[email protected]> > > Les estoy muy agradecido por la valiosa información brindada sobre los > apellidos Fornés, Cánovas y Archer. Si no es abusar de su bondad, les ruego > me sugieran algunas guías o referencias para conocer más de estos apellidos. > Mi meta (quizá muy ambiciosa) es trazar la relación directa de esos > apellidos entre Puerto Rico y España. Traté de rastrearlos mediante los > registros demográficos locales. Pero los datos sobre mis abuelos y > bisabuelos, nacidos algunos en la Isla en el siglo XIX, no dan indicios > sobre la procedencia de sus progenitores. ¿Qué otros recursos puedo usar? > Saludos. Les quedo a la recíproca. > > Rolando García-Pacheco > Calle Cervantes No.9, Piso 6-A > El Condado, San Juan, Puerto Rico Hola Rolando, Permiteme suguerir pasaportes o visas, las cuales eran necesarias para entrar a la isla de Puerto Rico. Puedes consultar los varios tomos titulados Pasajeros a Indias, esta es una obra monumental que consiste de 6 o 7 volumenes. Tambien puedes consultar al obra de Peter Boyd-Boyman, titulada Indice Geobiografico de Cuarenta Mil Pobladores de America ... Creo que son 3 o 4 tomos. Si tus antepasados eran militares puedes consultar las hojas de servicio militar. Bueno, creo que esto es todo por ahora. Si necesitas algo mas no dudes en escribir. Saludos, Jose E. Sanchez San Antonio, Texas USA

Hello, I am doing my family research on the ESCOBAR family. Sometimes, I have found that my surname was entered in Church records as ESCOVAR. I have reached a major ROAD BLOCK. I HAVE been able to trace my ancestors begriming with my Father Francisco Escobar going back to my Grandfather ENRIQUE ESCOBAR; my Great Grandfather PANFILO ESCOBAR; my Great Great Grandfather LORENZO ESCOBAR. I found the Marriage record of Lorenzo Escobar and it is ENTERED as LORENZO ESCOVAR. He married AGAPITA LOPES on 1 DEC 1858. I ALSO realized that an LSD ORDINANCE was performed: "Sealed to Spouse: 18 Nov 1989 GUATE" Batch M606715 Dates 1855 - 1888 Source Call No. 6557327 Film I was able to obtain LORENSO ESCOVAR's father name as BRUNO and his mother's name as ROSALIA ORENELAS from the "Informacion Matrimonial" or "Matrimonial Information" Church film. I was wondering if the Author or LDS Member who originally did the research had ANY other info on LORENSO, such as his BIRTH or BAPTISMAL Date and Location; any other siblings, info on his father Bruno. Lorenzo Escobar was married in Numaran Michoacan, Mexico. My line of Escobar's lived in the Mexican States of Michoacan and Guanajuato. I am willing to share information on the Descendants of LORENZO ESCOBAR with this person. Sincerely, Francisco Lopez Escobar Tustin, California - USA ,ø¤°`°¤ø,¸_¸,ø¤°`°¤ø,¸_¸,ø¤°°¤ø,¸_¸,ø¤°`°¤ø,¸_¸,ø¤°°¤ø,¸_¸,ø¤°`°¤ø,¸_ " Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds. " - Albert Einstein ,ø¤°`°¤ø,¸_¸,ø¤°`°¤ø,¸_¸,ø¤°°¤ø,¸_¸,ø¤°`°¤ø,¸_¸,ø¤°°¤ø,¸_¸,ø¤°`°¤ø,¸_

Hola, estoy interesada en conseguir varios certificados de nacimiento en venezuela ?alguien me puede ayudar? Yadi -- Yadira Richards [email protected] Genealogy - http://www.familytreemaker.com/users/r/i/c/Yadira-Richards-FL/

Javier Rubio, Alcalá de Henares, <[email protected]> José E. Sánchez <[email protected]> Les estoy muy agradecido por la valiosa información brindada sobre los apellidos Fornés, Cánovas y Archer. Si no es abusar de su bondad, les ruego me sugieran algunas guías o referencias para conocer más de estos apellidos. Mi meta (quizá muy ambiciosa) es trazar la relación directa de esos apellidos entre Puerto Rico y España. Traté de rastrearlos mediante los registros demográficos locales. Pero los datos sobre mis abuelos y bisabuelos, nacidos algunos en la Isla en el siglo XIX, no dan indicios sobre la procedencia de sus progenitores. ¿Qué otros recursos puedo usar? Saludos. Les quedo a la recíproca. Rolando García-Pacheco Calle Cervantes No.9, Piso 6-A El Condado, San Juan, Puerto Rico

J Rubio wrote: > > Fornes = Forner. En catalán significa horno, especialmente de panadero. > Probablemente el apellido arranque en aquella región. > > Cánovas = Casanova. Casa nueva. > > Archer = ¿? No lo conozco como apellido hispano. > > Saludos > > Javier Rubio > Alcalá de Henares > Hispania > > Rolando García-Pacheco <[email protected]> escribió en el > mensaje de noticias OO3o4.385$%[email protected] > > Intereso conocer la procedencia de los apellidos de mis ancestros Fornés, > > Cánovas y Archer. Tengo informes variados sobre de dónde llegaron éstos a > > Puerto Rico: Canarias, Cataluña, etc.... Mi búsqueda mediante el Internet > no > > ha sido productiva. ¿Puede alguien darme alguna información, guía o > > sugerencia? Le estaré muy agradecido. RGP > > Hola, Forn, Fornols, Forner y Fornes son el mismo linaje con distintas grafias. Linaje antiguo e hidalgo de Catalunya que tuvo su casa solar en el pueblo de Fornols (Lerida) Armas: En campo de gules, tres fajas vibradas de oro. Arquer: Linaje muy antiguo y tipico de Catalunya, que poseyo en la ciudad de Gerona, su casa solariega. Arquer y Arquet son el mismo linaje. Armas: En campo de azur, un arquer (en lengua catalana es Arquero) en tiempos remotos, con su arco. Canovas: Murciano. De Lorca. Una rama paso a Andalucia. Don Alonso XII concedio en 1878, el titulo de Conde del Castillo de Cuba a Don Jose Canovas del Castillo Garcia y Estebanez, vecino de la Habana. La Reina Regente concedio, en 2 de septiembre de 1897, el titulo de Duquesa de Canovas del Castillo a Da. Joaquina de Osuna y Zabala, viuda del insigne politico Don Antonio Canovas del Castillo. Armas: En campo de azur, una faja de oro cargada de tres estrellas de azur. Saludos, Jose E.

Fornes = Forner. En catalán significa horno, especialmente de panadero. Probablemente el apellido arranque en aquella región. Cánovas = Casanova. Casa nueva. Archer = ¿? No lo conozco como apellido hispano. Saludos Javier Rubio Alcalá de Henares Hispania Rolando García-Pacheco <[email protected]> escribió en el mensaje de noticias OO3o4.385$%[email protected] > Intereso conocer la procedencia de los apellidos de mis ancestros Fornés, > Cánovas y Archer. Tengo informes variados sobre de dónde llegaron éstos a > Puerto Rico: Canarias, Cataluña, etc.... Mi búsqueda mediante el Internet no > ha sido productiva. ¿Puede alguien darme alguna información, guía o > sugerencia? Le estaré muy agradecido. RGP >

Siendo de las fechas que citas, lo más directo es escribir (o ponerse en contacto por teléfono) con el Registro Civil municipal, dado que ellos tienen esas actas, y pueden enviar copias (supuestamente). Si ellos fallaran, siempre quedaría recurrir a la parroquia correspondiente. Saludos Javier Rubio Alcalá de Henares Hispania Pardon, mais je ne parle pas français. Manuel TURLIN <[email protected]> escribió en el mensaje de noticias [email protected] > ¡ Buenos dias ! > > Estoy un muy joven genealogista. Yo vivo en Francia y estoy desciendente de > gente española. Pero, no puedo buscar mis antepasados porque yo vivo muy > lejo de los lugares donde han vivido. Entonces, yo me permite preguntar a > ustedes si podran ayudar me buscar mis antepasados. > > Yo busco estos actos (°nacimiento +difunto) > > - Gines RUMI TORECILLA °04.02.1896 Garrucha (Almeria) > - Antonia GEREZ SORIANO °11.06.1897 Garrucha (Almeria) > > Muchas gracias. > > Hasta pronto (espiero...) > > Manuel TURLIN > http://turlin.free.fr >

In article <[email protected]>, "J Rubio" <[email protected]> wrote: > Please, be careful with the news. > I'm writing in the genealogic newsgroup. This is not the place to discuss > this matter. Thank you very much. > > Por favor, no envieis mensajes indiscriminados a varios grupos, ni hagais > caso de los polemistas que buscan enfrentamientos. > A cada grupo, lo que le corresponde. > Y esto se esta leyendo en el de genalogia (desde donde escribo), que no > tiene nada que ver con absurdas diatribas. Gracias. > > Javier Rubio > Hispania > > gavrillacq <[email protected]> escribió en el mensaje de noticias > [email protected] > > Estimado "Pedro Albi-zoo", > > > > Pregunta:?Y si te dicen que eres una chupacabra del planeta Pluto? > > > > Lo eres? > > > > Mi'jo comiendote las mitologias de mierda, simplemente te hace un > > comemierda!!! Piensa bien en los "hechos" que te estas tragando y > > entonces, no va ser necesario darte una enema intelectual en el futuro, > > administrado por los bomberos famosos de Ponce!!! > > > > But since I don't know if you speak Spanish, English, Spangli' or > > "Lateeno", I will respond more specifically to your post below in > > English, since your post suggests you are more comfortable in that > > language. Here goes...(my responses will appear below with 5 stars > > (*****)preceding them. > > __________________________________ > > Pedro writes: > > In article <[email protected]>, > > [email protected] wrote: > > > "Hispanic" is a category invented by a bureaucratic federal agency > > > (Statistical Directive 15) to "count" people of Latin American > > > ancestry (including Puerto Ricans). It is an ethnic category ("ethnos" > > > greek for culture). The purpose is to market crap at a larger group > > > rather than having to specialize in Boricuas , Cubans or mexican niche > > > markets. > > *****PRECISELY, this Hispanic/Latino MYTHOLOGY was INVENTED by > > bureau-clowns who DO NOT (I repeat), DO NOT know (or care to understand) > > the racial, ethnic, cultural REALITIES that exist south of Key > > West,Florida or Laredo, Texas. (Even though these racial dynamics are > > IDENTICAL to ones that exist NORTH of the border as well). I am sure > > that these mindless drones don't ever leave their "think" tanks in > > Washington, DC, given their necessary and numerous (and mandatory) guest > > appearances at every "multi-cultural" dance they attend for "Porto > > Rican" Barbie or "Diversity Ken". Afterall, having to "split" the > > FALLACIOUS Hispanic/Latino "RACE" into the VERY distinct, different and > > DIVERGENT pieces, might be a little too demanding for their vacant and > > ethno-centric "I-be-da-real-American" myopia. Anyone of even minimal > > intelligence knows already, that the reason for "grouping" (like > > ignorant cattle) all of these VERY DIFFERENT people is to amalgamate > > these politically profitable populations and then reduce them to > > administratively expedient "groups"; even if this "grouping" exists ONLY > > ON PAPER in an already defunct Census form!!! > > > > Pedro writes: > > > But, and this is a big BUT, in US popular culture Latinos AS A GROUP > > > are considered non-white. This also means that individual Latinos can Pedro, Who cares? que mas da? what difference does it make. Somos de carne y hueso, seres humanos pero al mismo tiempo no importa que sea blanco, negro, indio.... Does it really mean that much to u if we are not considered 'white' como el anglosajon. Boberia, 'mano! You believe in freedom then u don't need el otro to define who u are. Piensalo bien. You are either a decent human being or an evil one. That is the ultmate choice in life Blood is red-you live like a warrior dedending those less fortunate and fighting for freedom OR die like a coward using hypocracy, backbiting, cunning and engaging in acts against la libertad. suerte el trinitario > > > live lives as Black, white, Chinese etc. But as a group (mestizaje, > > > multaje etc.) are considered non-white. Anyone has heard of the "one > > > drop rule"? Look at Supreme Court decisions about this! > > *****This is only true, if you believe the lie to begin with!!! Let's > > try to remember what I said above about being what you "swallow". > > Or are we REALLY to believe in this ludicrous "One-Drop Rule" that was > > created by a toothless, gout-ridden, illiterate slave owner in > > Mississippi in the 1700s to increase the size of his "slave" population? > > Is this THE source of modern scholarship and research that dictates > > pseudo-INTELLIGENT thought in contemporary America or anywhere else > > today??? And let's not even address the "beliefs" of the "Supreme > > Court" because this is the same legislative body that denied WOMEN the > > right to vote for DECADES!!! And I hope that anyone reading this, knows > > how "correct" that policy was. And please note, that the "fact" that > > MILLIONS of "Americans" believe the lie of the "one-drop-rule", DOESN'T > > make it true. ANYONE with a conscience and the most minimal knowledge > > of Mendel's experiments with EVEN green peas, knows that when 2 > > varieties of any species are "crossed", the result is not one or the > > other. THE RESULT is a combination of BOTH!!! But I guess Mendel > > didn't allow for political prostitution on the part of the members of > > the new "variety". Apparently even the green peas had more integrity > > than us, more "advanced" species. What do you think? So, who should we > > believe, toothless Bubba raping his female slaves in the barn or modern > > science and rational thought? Does this question even need to be > > asked??? Incidentally, Alberto Fujimori, THE PRESIDENT OF PERU, is the > > son of JAPANESE immigrants to Peru and he is referred to, by the > > Peruvian people, as "el Chinito", but even HE doesn't believe he is > > Chinese!!! > > > > Pedro writes: > > > If people know in Birmingham Alabama that Rosello is Boricua he will > > > be considered non-white, blue eyes and everything. In states like > > > Louisiana for many years a white person is a person that had less > > > than 1/32 Black ancestry. Sounds irrational, race is irrational. But > > > if people believe it is real it is real in its consequences. > > *****YOU are absolutely RIGHT again!!! And let's also remember, those > > same "people" in Birmingham, Alabama are the same people who who still > > LYNCH black people and not-too-long-ago turned FIRE HOSES on Black > > children who only wanted to go to school. ?Are these cretans, the > > intelligent beings who possess the powers of reason and analysis re. > > "race" that the rest of the country (or the world) is to believe as > > "racial reality". Let's all try to comprehend that these "beliefs" and > > anyone's endorsement of them DEFIES INTELLIGENCE and INTEGRITY and only > > speaks to the level of intellectual compromise that USAmericans have > > sunk to, when looking at the whole issue of race today. So, I pose the > > question again... > > "So who should we believe, toothless Bubba raping his female slaves in > > the barn or modern science" and intelligent discourse. Or does rational > > and reasonable thought have no place in the "race" dialog? To follow > > your logic, apparently not!!! > > > > "Pedro" please reach for the toilet paper and this time,wipe another > > orifice with it. Parece mentira... > > > > Greg Medina Rivera > > Copyright @ 2,000 > > All rights reserved, > > this document may not be reprinted > > without express written permission > > of author > > > > > > ======================== > > > In article <[email protected]>, > > > [email protected] wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Intellectual argument of the Issues at hand: > > > > www.onelist.com/subscribe/issues > > > > Para asuntos Hispanos, en Castellano: > > > > www.onelist.com/subscribe/boriken > > ________________________________ > > > > From: spike <[email protected]> > > > > > > > > Further to the question of whether the U.S. > > > > Government counts Hispanics as White or not: > > > > time constraints have thus fsr prevented me from > > > > tracking this all the way back to original > > > > sources, but this site at least provides some > > > > links to start with for anyone who chooses to do > > > > so. > > > > > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > > Before you buy. > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.

Estimados señores, Me llamo Jean MARQUEZE-POUEY. Estoy estudiando actualmente la genealogía del patrónimo MARQUEZE del que soy descendiente. La localización de mis antepasados se sitúa en el BEARN de Francia (Bayonne, Urdos, Orthez…) provincia n°64 llamada Pirineos atlánticos. Parece que han pasado la frontera varias veces. Es probable que entre el principio y el final del siglo 17, varios MARQUEZE hayan venido de España… Es porque me dirijo a ustedes hoy. He encontrado sus señas en un anuario en Internet. Sólo tengo algunas referencias para toda España; por eso me gustaría tener una respuesta suya: - ¿tendrían informaciones sobre el origen de su apellido? - ¿conocen sus antepasados? ¿su abuelo, su tatarabuelo….? - ¿conocen a primos lejanos en Francia, Brasil, Chile? - ¿ algunos MARQUEZE encontrándose en Brasil habrían sido marineros saliendo de España? - ¿podrían proporcionarme, según sus recursos, una lista de los MARQUEZE que viven en España? No hablo ni escribo el castellano: sólo francés e inglés. Una amiga me ha traducido esta carta. Si me pudiera contestar en inglés, resultaría más fácil. Gracias por su ayuda y colaboración en cuanto a la búsqueda de nuestro patrónimo común. Hasta pronto. Les saluda atentamente Jean

Busco informaciones sobre el apellido ALTET (region de Alicante, Novelda, Denia, Altea ) y sobre la historia de la ciudad El Altet o la region de Alicante. Gracias

Hi: Yes, Ochoa is a spanish surname. Its origins are in the Basque Country (also spelled Otxoa), but the surname is around all the Iberian Peninsula (and islands, and south and central America...) I can't remember the meaning now. Perhaps somebody in the news would talk about this. Javier Rubio Alcala de Henares Hispania Dani <[email protected]> escribió en el mensaje de noticias [email protected] > Anyone with the surname of Ochoa? I am an Ochoa but am not familiar with > the names and spellings of the Mexican states and cities from which they > came from. My father told me that his grandfather came to the U.S. from > a place in Mexico called Carnanea. I don't think I spelled it correctly, > but I would appreciate any and all information on Ochoa's descended from > there, still living there and from anyone who can help me to find > records of Ochoas from there. > I can be reached here: > mailto:[email protected] . > Thank You, > Mrs. Danielle (Ochoa) Brown > > >>"And you will hear of wars and rumors of wars. See that you are not > troubled; for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not > yet. For nation will rise aginst nation, and kingdom against kingdom. > And there will be famines, pestilences, and earthquakes in various > places. All these are the beginning of sorrow." Matthew 24:6-9 >

Intereso conocer la procedencia de los apellidos de mis ancestros Fornés, Cánovas y Archer. Tengo informes variados sobre de dónde llegaron éstos a Puerto Rico: Canarias, Cataluña, etc.... Mi búsqueda mediante el Internet no ha sido productiva. ¿Puede alguien darme algfuna información, guía o sugerencia? Le estaré muy agradecido. RGP

Ricar wrote: > > Busco datos sobre el apellido Abendaño o Avendaño. > > Gracias. > ---------------------------------------------------- > Ricar ** [email protected] > ---------------------------------------------------- Avendaño es apellido Gallego, que paso a las provincias Vascongadas, fundando nueva casa en San Martin de Avendaño, aldea proxima a Vitoria.

adonis wrote: > > Sabe alguien el origen del apellido > Vidal, por curiosidad? > Catalán, francés, gallego??? Vidal es apellido Catalan Saludos, Jose E.

Sabe alguien el origen del apellido Vidal, por curiosidad? Catalán, francés, gallego???