hi Brian Been there done that & it no longer works. Deprivation seems to work better but not everytime, reasoning is better kept for Joe (3 yrs), ignoring her can work but proves very noisy for the neighbours. Hubby just walks out which is fine when you can do that, I can't, especially if Joe is in bed! I always seem to be stuck between a rock & a hard place! Sue S > How old is she, Sue? Sounds to me as if she wants her bottom smacked and > for that the older the better. They don't like to be treated like children > but if they choose to act that way.......... > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.314 / Virus Database: 175 - Release Date: 11/01/2002