No, I have none to give even after almost 29 years of parenting. I like George's idea of the duct tape and rope though. Sue* PS: It has happened, the little darlings got home 30 minutes ago. IT has begun............... ----- Original Message ----- > Oh shucks, > > I was looking for a bit of advice from your end Sue :) > > Angela --- Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.368 / Virus Database: 204 - Release Date: 5/29/2002

Terrific idea. I have plenty of duct tape but no rope, guess I'll have to bind their hands and feet with the duct tape instead. It will probably hold better than the rope anyway. Sue* ----- Original Message ----- > I thought that was what duct tape and rope are for! :) --- Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.368 / Virus Database: 204 - Release Date: 5/29/2002

Whist I'm reading and answering I'm listening to a free Romantic Classics CD from the Daily Mail. It's very good , Puccini's Tosca,Mozart piano concertos,Verdi, Lizt, Chopin, etc. If any else has it look at the first track; Beethoven, Fur Elize, Vladimir Ruso, Organ. It's a piano solo. I'm feeling quite sad listening to Solveig's Song by Greig. Jim Sharpe Shaw, Oldham, UK

Use the rope to hang them by their ankles in the closet... :) Or send them to summer camp... Just another soggy Seattle Sysop. -----Original Message----- From: Sue M [mailto:starshine166@attbi.com] Sent: Thursday, May 30, 2002 12:04 PM To: GEN-FRIENDS-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [GEN-FRIENDS] duct tape and rope Terrific idea. I have plenty of duct tape but no rope, guess I'll have to bind their hands and feet with the duct tape instead. It will probably hold better than the rope anyway. Sue* ----- Original Message ----- > I thought that was what duct tape and rope are for! :)

I think the teaching profession was ruined years ago when the authorities willfully undermined the authority of teachers. Mind you younger teachers of the time contributed with their silly modern ideas and becoming over familiar with their pupils. The former respect in which the profession was held will I fear never be regained. Jim Sharpe Shaw, Oldham, UK ----- Original Message ----- From: Angela & Kostas Nicolaou <titina23@spidernet.com.cy> To: <GEN-FRIENDS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, May 30, 2002 3:30 AM Subject: Re: [GEN-FRIENDS] oh noooooooo > It's too hot in the schools and it's too hot for our children to play > outside either > so the worst thing is keeping them occupied for 13 weeks ! > and to stop them fighting with each other in the house. > > Angela > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Marged <marged@btinternet.com> > To: <GEN-FRIENDS-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, May 30, 2002 1:06 PM > Subject: Re: [GEN-FRIENDS] oh noooooooo > > > > I honestly don't think the long holidays that Sue and Angela are talking > > about have anything to do with teachers wanting another pay rise, or being > > for the benefit of teachers. > > > > The weather where Angela lives will not be fit for kids or teachers to be > > cooped up inside, and I'm sure that must have something to do with it? > > > > Don't know much about where Sue lives, but perhaps it's the same there? > > > > I don't think you have to worry too much about the demands teachers make, > > Brian, as successive governments have done their best to load more and > more > > on to them so that they have no spare time at all. It's not the job it > once > > was. > > > > Marj > > > > > But I do think the long holiday is far too long and mainly for the > > teachers > > > benefit who always want another pay rise. Still, they do a job I > wouldn't > > > do so we'll leave it there. > > > > > > > > --- > > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > > Version: 6.0.368 / Virus Database: 204 - Release Date: 29/05/02 > > > > > > ==== GEN-FRIENDS Mailing List ==== > > Please change the Subject line when the subject of the reply > > changes. > > > > ============================== > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, > go to: > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > ==== GEN-FRIENDS Mailing List ==== > Please change the Subject line when the subject of the reply > changes. > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

Talking about kids; Francesca my granddaughter is taking an exam today for theatrical singing. She is to perform three songs from Les Miserables and South Pacific. For some utterly stupid reason the examiners require that she wears costume which her mother has had to hire from a costumiers at no little expense. Francesca has never been in a musical play in her life but enjoys singing in the school choir and the Oldham Schools Choir as well as playing in brass and wind bands for school and the Oldham Lyceum on cornet and bassoon. Her school has acquired a basson costing £4,500 to replace the clapped out one she has been using heretofore. Her cornet is her own. Jim Sharpe Shaw, Oldham, UK ----- Original Message ----- From: Sue M <starshine166@attbi.com> To: <GEN-FRIENDS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2002 12:26 PM Subject: [GEN-FRIENDS] oh noooooooo > In less than 30 minutes the boys will be home from their last full day of > school. Tomorrow is the last day and it's only a half of a day, then that's > it until August 22nd. Pray for me......... > Sue McAlister

It's too hot in the schools and it's too hot for our children to play outside either so the worst thing is keeping them occupied for 13 weeks ! and to stop them fighting with each other in the house. Angela ----- Original Message ----- From: Marged <marged@btinternet.com> To: <GEN-FRIENDS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, May 30, 2002 1:06 PM Subject: Re: [GEN-FRIENDS] oh noooooooo > I honestly don't think the long holidays that Sue and Angela are talking > about have anything to do with teachers wanting another pay rise, or being > for the benefit of teachers. > > The weather where Angela lives will not be fit for kids or teachers to be > cooped up inside, and I'm sure that must have something to do with it? > > Don't know much about where Sue lives, but perhaps it's the same there? > > I don't think you have to worry too much about the demands teachers make, > Brian, as successive governments have done their best to load more and more > on to them so that they have no spare time at all. It's not the job it once > was. > > Marj > > > But I do think the long holiday is far too long and mainly for the > teachers > > benefit who always want another pay rise. Still, they do a job I wouldn't > > do so we'll leave it there. > > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.368 / Virus Database: 204 - Release Date: 29/05/02 > > > ==== GEN-FRIENDS Mailing List ==== > Please change the Subject line when the subject of the reply > changes. > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

Oh I wish! That really isn't done much here (that I know of). Perhaps the wealthy pack their kids off but since I'm not in the upper crust............ Sue* ----- Original Message ----- You mean you don't send them to Summer camp for 3 months!! Mike --- Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.368 / Virus Database: 204 - Release Date: 5/29/2002

Impossible but if you find a way, please let me know!! Sue* ----- Original Message ----- > so the worst thing is keeping them occupied for 13 weeks ! > and to stop them fighting with each other in the house. > > Angela --- Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.368 / Virus Database: 204 - Release Date: 5/29/2002

You're right Marj, in a way. All of our schools are air conditioned but I just think having the long holiday is a throw back from the 'olden days.' Back then parents needed their children to help with the planting and harvesting of crops during the summer months. The long summer holiday has nothing to do with teacher's tenure. Our kids also get the Monday after our Thanksgiving holiday off because it's the first day of deer season hunting. I imagine that's for a similar reason, families needed enough meat to last for the winter season. Sue* ----- Original Message ----- > I honestly don't think the long holidays that Sue and Angela are talking > about have anything to do with teachers wanting another pay rise, or being > for the benefit of teachers. > > The weather where Angela lives will not be fit for kids or teachers to be > cooped up inside, and I'm sure that must have something to do with it? > > Don't know much about where Sue lives, but perhaps it's the same there? > > I don't think you have to worry too much about the demands teachers make, > Brian, as successive governments have done their best to load more and more > on to them so that they have no spare time at all. It's not the job it once > was. > > Marj --- Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.368 / Virus Database: 204 - Release Date: 5/29/2002

You have my sincere condolences :) Sue* ----- Original Message ----- > Sue, > > Two of mine finish tomorrow also, the 9 year old next week and pray for me > harder > because mine don't go back until September 10th ! > > Help !!!! > > Angela --- Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.368 / Virus Database: 204 - Release Date: 5/29/2002

Send them to the zoo - or would they refuse them? :-0 Brian Staffordshire, UK List Admin ----- Original Message ----- From: "Angela & Kostas Nicolaou" <titina23@spidernet.com.cy> To: <GEN-FRIENDS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, May 30, 2002 11:30 AM Subject: Re: [GEN-FRIENDS] oh noooooooo > It's too hot in the schools and it's too hot for our children to play > outside either > so the worst thing is keeping them occupied for 13 weeks ! > and to stop them fighting with each other in the house. > > Angela > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Marged <marged@btinternet.com> > To: <GEN-FRIENDS-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, May 30, 2002 1:06 PM > Subject: Re: [GEN-FRIENDS] oh noooooooo > > > > I honestly don't think the long holidays that Sue and Angela are talking > > about have anything to do with teachers wanting another pay rise, or being > > for the benefit of teachers. > > > > The weather where Angela lives will not be fit for kids or teachers to be > > cooped up inside, and I'm sure that must have something to do with it? > > > > Don't know much about where Sue lives, but perhaps it's the same there? > > > > I don't think you have to worry too much about the demands teachers make, > > Brian, as successive governments have done their best to load more and > more > > on to them so that they have no spare time at all. It's not the job it > once > > was. > > > > Marj > > > > > But I do think the long holiday is far too long and mainly for the > > teachers > > > benefit who always want another pay rise. Still, they do a job I > wouldn't > > > do so we'll leave it there. > > > > > > > > --- > > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > > Version: 6.0.368 / Virus Database: 204 - Release Date: 29/05/02 > > > > > > ==== GEN-FRIENDS Mailing List ==== > > Please change the Subject line when the subject of the reply > > changes. > > > > ============================== > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, > go to: > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > ==== GEN-FRIENDS Mailing List ==== > Please change the Subject line when the subject of the reply > changes. > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.368 / Virus Database: 204 - Release Date: 29/05/2002

Sue - thank you for sending the update info. Marj --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.368 / Virus Database: 204 - Release Date: 29/05/02

I honestly don't think the long holidays that Sue and Angela are talking about have anything to do with teachers wanting another pay rise, or being for the benefit of teachers. The weather where Angela lives will not be fit for kids or teachers to be cooped up inside, and I'm sure that must have something to do with it? Don't know much about where Sue lives, but perhaps it's the same there? I don't think you have to worry too much about the demands teachers make, Brian, as successive governments have done their best to load more and more on to them so that they have no spare time at all. It's not the job it once was. Marj > But I do think the long holiday is far too long and mainly for the teachers > benefit who always want another pay rise. Still, they do a job I wouldn't > do so we'll leave it there. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.368 / Virus Database: 204 - Release Date: 29/05/02

----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian" <brian@lordbramhall.co.uk> To: <GEN-FRIENDS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, May 30, 2002 8:09 AM Subject: Re: [GEN-FRIENDS] oh noooooooo > Part of growing up for kids is learning how to play and relax. Don't > misunderstand me, I'm not saying I like them any better but many parents > just leave them to their own devices instead of "enjoying" their kids and > playing with them or even talking to them. > > That is part of the reason some of them get into trouble. But it's an > unfair world and they have to learn this as well. > > But I do think the long holiday is far too long and mainly for the teachers > benefit who always want another pay rise. Still, they do a job I wouldn't > do so we'll leave it there. > > > Brian > Staffordshire, UK > List Admin > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Angela & Kostas Nicolaou" <titina23@spidernet.com.cy> > To: <GEN-FRIENDS-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, May 30, 2002 5:49 AM > Subject: Re: [GEN-FRIENDS] oh noooooooo > > > > Sue, > > > > Two of mine finish tomorrow also, the 9 year old next week and pray for me > > harder > > because mine don't go back until September 10th ! > > > > Help !!!! > > > > Angela > > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.368 / Virus Database: 204 - Release Date: 29/05/2002 > > > ==== GEN-FRIENDS Mailing List ==== > Double your drive space - delete Windows! > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.368 / Virus Database: 204 - Release Date: 29/05/02

30 MAY Thought for the day The only people who never fail are those who never try. --Ilka Chase The Feast Day of Joan of Arc, patron saint of soldiers, who was burnt at the stake as a witch by the English at Rouen at 19 in Rouen in 1431. She was canonized by Pope Benedict XV in 1921 on the anniversary of her death. 1498: Christopher Columbus set sail on his third voyage of discovery which would take him to discover the South American mainland. 1536: Jane Seymour became Henry VIII’s third wife 11 days after he had separated Anne Boleyn’s head from her body. 1656: The Grenadier Guards were formed in the British Army. 1814: Birth of Mikhail Aleksandrovich Bakunin, Russian anarchist who took part in the German revolutionary movement. He was condemned to death, but was handed back to Russia and sent to Siberia. He escaped and eventually made his way to England, later returning to play a part in the Communist International Congress before he was expelled. 1842: Jon Francis attempted to assassinate Queen Victoria as she rode in her carriage with Prince Albert. 1846: Peter Carl Fabergé Russia Born, goldsmith/jeweler/egg maker. 1859: Birth of Pierre Marie Felix Janet, French psychologist who made a significant contribution to the understanding of hysteria. 1911: The first Indianapolis 500 motor race was won by Ray Harroun at an average speed of 74.59 mph. 1913: New country of Albania is formed 1959: The first experimental hovercraft, designed by Sir Christopher Cockerell and built by Saunders-Roe, was launched at Cowes, Isle of Wight. 1959: The Auckland Harbour bridge was officially opened on New Zealand’s North Island. 1978: Liverpool won the European Cup for the second year running, beating FC Bruges of Belgium 1-0, the lone goal scored by Kenny Dalglish. <><><><><><><><><> --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.368 / Virus Database: 204 - Release Date: 29/05/02

You mean you don't send them to Summer camp for 3 months!! Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Sue M To: GEN-FRIENDS-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2002 10:26 PM Subject: [GEN-FRIENDS] oh noooooooo In less than 30 minutes the boys will be home from their last full day of school. Tomorrow is the last day and it's only a half of a day, then that's it until August 22nd. Pray for me......... Sue McAlister email: Sue@Painter-McAlister.com HOME PAGE: www.Painter-McAlister.com Administrator for: PA-PITTSBURGH and PA-WESTMORELAND-HISTORIC Administrator for: BALLES, ECKER, KELLAWAY, KELLOWAY, MCALISTER, MCCALLISTER, MCALLISTER, MCCOLLISTER, SKELLY, PAINTER, PAYNTER Administrator for: Adoption, Mystery, Horror, Stay-At-Home-Moms, M-W- C, Nost-TV, Palm-Gen and Westie --- Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.365 / Virus Database: 202 - Release Date: 5/24/2002 ==== GEN-FRIENDS Mailing List ==== Please delete unwanted taglines and signatures before sending your message to avoid over-long messages. ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.361 / Virus Database: 199 - Release Date: 07-May-02

I thought that was what duct tape and rope are for! :) Just another soggy Seattle Sysop. -----Original Message----- From: Sue M [mailto:starshine166@attbi.com] Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2002 12:27 PM To: GEN-FRIENDS-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [GEN-FRIENDS] oh noooooooo In less than 30 minutes the boys will be home from their last full day of school. Tomorrow is the last day and it's only a half of a day, then that's it until August 22nd. Pray for me......... Sue McAlister

Thank goodness mine are only off next week & then not again until mid July to September. You're quite right about parents & their kids Brian. Not sure about teachers. Dad taught at higher education level & he used to spend most of the summer in college doing preparation for the next year as well as working evenings year round. Mind you he also had some admin work to do too. He always said his job in the RAF was easier! Sue S --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.365 / Virus Database: 202 - Release Date: 5/24/2002

Part of growing up for kids is learning how to play and relax. Don't misunderstand me, I'm not saying I like them any better but many parents just leave them to their own devices instead of "enjoying" their kids and playing with them or even talking to them. That is part of the reason some of them get into trouble. But it's an unfair world and they have to learn this as well. But I do think the long holiday is far too long and mainly for the teachers benefit who always want another pay rise. Still, they do a job I wouldn't do so we'll leave it there. Brian Staffordshire, UK List Admin ----- Original Message ----- From: "Angela & Kostas Nicolaou" <titina23@spidernet.com.cy> To: <GEN-FRIENDS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, May 30, 2002 5:49 AM Subject: Re: [GEN-FRIENDS] oh noooooooo > Sue, > > Two of mine finish tomorrow also, the 9 year old next week and pray for me > harder > because mine don't go back until September 10th ! > > Help !!!! > > Angela --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.368 / Virus Database: 204 - Release Date: 29/05/2002