Morning Bubbles I'm here but just about go & sort the kids breakfast. I only logged on to see if I'd received a photo from someone who took a photo of my daughter on her skiing trip when she was being lifted into the ski stretcher! Aren't I horrible! They were 2 good looking army lads by all accounts! Sue S > I know its the weekend but, not one email > Bubbles from Robin Hood Country > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.350 / Virus Database: 196 - Release Date: 4/17/2002

I know its the weekend but, not one email Bubbles from Robin Hood Country

Freeserve disconnected me three times whilst trying to download the latest AVG update. It looks as though this is Freeserves way of forcing people to buy their £85 modem for Broadband. I believe these are now on sale through the Dixons shops. More blackmail. Brian Staffordshire, UK List Admin --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.351 / Virus Database: 197 - Release Date: 19/04/2002

I-Worm/Klez.H and Win32/Elkern descriptions are available here. Also removal instructions for I-Worm/Klez.H are available. New update available - number 351. Added detection of new variant of I-Worm/Elkern virus, which is dropped by I-Worm/Klez.H. - April 19, 2002 - Brian Staffordshire, UK List Admin --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.351 / Virus Database: 197 - Release Date: 19/04/2002

Hi V, You were right. 351 is available but my PC wouldn't accept it. Now it will. Apparently a new virus is getting in via network connections and can be activated by previewing the file withou opening. This is very worrying. As you will see, your tag is 351. Brian Staffordshire, UK List Admin ----- Original Message ----- From: "Vicky Ballantine" <[email protected]> To: "Brian" <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, April 19, 2002 6:24 PM Subject: Re: [GEN-FRIENDS] Latest AVG > Brian, I assumed it was 351, but from the looks of my tag end, it still says > 350. Yet this is suppose to be released today---there was nothing at 5 my > time this a.m. so I assumed. Guess my assuming days are numbered, can't rely > on anything any more. Grin. > > Vicky > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.351 / Virus Database: 197 - Release Date: 4/19/2002 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.351 / Virus Database: 197 - Release Date: 19/04/2002

Why didn't you send this nostalgic pic to Scousers ? I just love these pics Marged. Angela ----- Original Message ----- From: Marged <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, April 19, 2002 7:37 PM Subject: [GEN-FRIENDS] Marged has sent you a digital photo! > Marged has sent you a digital photo! > > You may pick it up at the following address: > http://www.PhotoParade.com/pickup.asp?2253-8919-12433 > > Click on the link above to pick up your photo, or > copy and paste the link into your Internet browser. > ____________________________________________________________ > > Marged writes: > I am on the front right, with my little sister next to me. 1944 or so. > > Empire day 24th May - Queen Victoria's birthday > ____________________________________________________________ > > (Your photo will be available until Monday, April 29, 2002) > There is no charge for this service! > ************************************************************ > > SPECIAL COUPON OFFER (offer expires Friday, April 19, 2002) > Save $3.00 on PhotoParade E-Mailer! Just $9.99... click below: > http://www.PhotoParade.com/coupon.asp?code=EZ-EMAIL2 > > PhotoParade E-Mailer makes mailing digital photos easy. > * Send photos without messy e-mail attachments! > * Automatically resizes photos to fit on your screen. > * Photos can be seen in any web browser > > For more information about PhotoParade, visit us at > http://www.PhotoParade.com/ > > > ==== GEN-FRIENDS Mailing List ==== > Visit List General Archives at: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/GEN-FRIENDS > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

Very funny Brian. angela ----- Original Message ----- From: Marged <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2002 9:03 PM Subject: [GEN-FRIENDS] Marged has sent you a digital photo! > Marged has sent you a digital photo! > > You may pick it up at the following address: > http://www.PhotoParade.com/pickup.asp?2054-6558-50333 > > Click on the link above to pick up your photo, or > copy and paste the link into your Internet browser. > ____________________________________________________________ > > Marged writes: > Brian wants to start the ball rolling with this picture of his hous - well, it IS a digital picture! > ____________________________________________________________ > > (Your photo will be available until Sunday, April 28, 2002) > There is no charge for this service! > ************************************************************ > > SPECIAL COUPON OFFER (offer expires Thursday, April 18, 2002) > Save $3.00 on PhotoParade E-Mailer! Just $9.99... click below: > http://www.PhotoParade.com/coupon.asp?code=EZ-EMAIL2 > > PhotoParade E-Mailer makes mailing digital photos easy. > * Send photos without messy e-mail attachments! > * Automatically resizes photos to fit on your screen. > * Photos can be seen in any web browser > > For more information about PhotoParade, visit us at > http://www.PhotoParade.com/ > > > ==== GEN-FRIENDS Mailing List ==== > Visit and support: > http://www.thebreastcancersite.com/cgi-bin/WebObjects/CTDSites > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

> > Marged writes: > Sue's dresser - she will tell you all about it herself > My dresser is full of cookery books & family photos & no, it doesn't get dusted very often. (that's why it's a small photo - you can't see the dust!) Sue S --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.350 / Virus Database: 196 - Release Date: 4/17/2002

Pam can you send me an e-mail as I haven't got your personal addy. [email protected] Best wishes Angela Protected by Norton Anti Virus 2002

----- Original Message ----- From: "Rod Neep" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, April 19, 2002 4:40 PM Subject: [CDBOOKS] The aims of the Archive CD Books Project > How the Archive CD Books Project Works > > People often ask me "How do you manage to produce CDs to sell at that > price?" > > The answer is simple: It is because of the way that the project works. > > Essentially, the old books for the project are lent to us, and those > doing the lending gain something. I buy books too, and they are usually > given away (to organisations who lend us books) when the project has > finished with them. > > I believe in value for money, so the CD books are sold at a very > reasonable price. Folks like that. Funds from the proceeds of CD sales > buy more books for the project, or pay for books loaned by County Record > Offices, museums, local studies libraries, museums, etc. to be > renovated. > > That's the basics.... now for the detail. > > See - it is simplicity itself - it is self-funding. > And the more books that the project produces on CD, the more it grows. > > The flow chart on our "about us" web page was created when the Archive > CD Books Project began in March 2000. The principles have remained > precisely the same. All that has happened since then is that there has > been lots more activity. The Archive CD Books Project grew and grew > thanks to our supporters. In the beginning I used to do it all myself, > but a point was reached where that wasn't possible. In order to cope > with the large increase in activity, staff have been employed, currently > seven full time and three part time, (all but one were jobless from the > local employment office). We have also purchased four of the superb > Bookeye scanners (£12,500 each) together with the computers to run them, > and a couple of high-throughput CD makers. There are also of course, > considerably higher monthly running costs. > > Despite all of this additional expense, the prices of the CDs have > remained the same. > > The fact that we now have a large throughput, and have the > responsibility for paying staff could make it appear to some that The > Archive CD Books Project is a big commercial business. Sure, in order > for it to be efficient, it does have to be run on business lines, but > the overall principle and ethos has remained *precisely* the same since > day one, and it is not intended to be an organisation that makes huge > profits. The money from the sale of CDs is ploughed back in to make it > grow for the benefit of everyone. The whole thing is a very fine > balancing act. If the project was purely "business for profit", then it > would be easier to build up a buffer to cater for the "down times". > Trying to strike a balance between feeding the animal's overheads, > paying staff and yet still meeting our objectives is much more > difficult. In fact, the responsibility can tend to become a little scary > at times. > > The mission statement is the same today that it has always been since > the foundation of Archive CD Books in March 2000: > > "The Archive CD Books Project exists to make reproductions of old books, > documents and maps available on CD to genealogists and historians, and > to co-operate with libraries, museums and record offices in providing > money to renovate old books in their collection, and to donate books to > their collections, where they will be preserved for future generations." > > ..... and we are succeeding ! > > The Archive CD Books Project relies very heavily on "word of mouth" > recommendations. We cannot justify huge expenses on formal advertising. > (If we did that, the prices of the CDs would certainly have to be > increased). We are very grateful to those supporters who add : > "I use Archive CD Books to help with my research - > http://www.archivecdbooks.org" > to their message tag lines on the genealogy mailing lists. Even more so, > it is very gratifying to see people helping each other on the genealogy > discussion lists on the internet by using their copies of the CDs to > help others find ancestors, and help to fill in the background > information by looking for information about towns and villages > contained in the CD books. That is what our hobby is all about. People > helping each other. (Please note that not all producers of CDs are happy > with the use of their products in this way, and consider it to be an > infringement of their copyright - we do not.) > > Without this "word of mouth" activity taking place on the genealogy > mailing lists our CDs do not sell in sufficient quantities to justify > the cost of buying the books, producing them on CD, and renovating them > for the record offices and libraries, etc. The only alternatives would > be to either not produce them on CD or to increase the prices > considerably, and that would defeat the object of the Archive CD Books > Project. On the other hand, in the areas where we get the most support, > we feel much more confident in producing more of these old and rare > books on CD. > > ----------------------------------------------------------- > > Books loaned by a County Record Office, Local Studies Library, Museum or > Family History Society > > Organisations such as these have a vast collection of books that are > suitable for the project. > > The best ones of course, are those that contain lots of peoples' names. > They will always be the most popular, although really good county > history books and old topography and guide books can provide a vast > amount of background information for family historians too. > > One of the problems that these organisations have, is the lack of funds > to renovate and rebind old books. Many in their collections are in > pitiful state. But it is a very costly exercise - anything from £50 to > £200. It is a skilled task to renovate an old book to original condition > with calf leather and gold lettering, embossing, etc. > > The answer is staggeringly simple - The Archives CD Books Project pays > for the renovation of the books. We have done it already in many, many > cases, and we shall do it again and again. > > But we want something in return - we would like to borrow books. We > appreciate that such organisations often have a rule - no books leave > the premises - but in these circumstances rules can be bent a little, as > there is so much to gain. And we find that as the project becomes better > known, then Principal Archivists and Curators are more willing to co- > operate. We do it once and it works, and that opens up the doors to more > co-operation. It's all down to trust. > > The book is usually needed on loan for a week or so. Enough time to scan > it. > > A copy (or few) of the finished CD is also donated to the organisation. > That saves future wear and tear on the books as the public can view the > books on CD. > > We also give old books to these organisations. Books that we have > purchased for the project from dealers need a good home. I am happy to > simply donate them after they have been scanned and the CDs produced. > They are of no further use to the project, so why not? (We have a policy > of giving away books to places that will preserve them rather than > having them subjected to wear and tear). But again, we would like > something in return. The loan of more books, and again, we are prepared > to pay for them to be renovated. > > > --------------------------------------------------------- > > Books Loaned by Individuals > > There are a lot of people out there who have private collections, or the > odd book that they have picked up from a dealer's bookshop. What do they > gain from loaning books to the project? Nothing other than a tremendous > amount of satisfaction that they are helping other genealogists and > historians. Fortunately, there are lots of people out there who want to > share in this way just to help others. It's brilliant! > > Books are needed on loan for a week or so, sometimes longer if there are > a lot of books in the pipeline waiting to be scanned. It is the scanning > that is the slow part of all this. To date I have been loaned lots of > really good books by individuals. Some books even come from the other > side of the world for scanning. > > Books that come to the Archives CD Books Project from individuals are > especially valuable to the project. They costs nothing! But the funds > from the sale of the CDs can be used to purchase other books, or to help > pay for renovation of books loaned by museums and county record offices, > etc. That all helps the project to grow. > > If you have a book which could be loaned to the project then please > contact us by e-mailing: [email protected] - Allyson Cline > deals with those, and keeps a "virtual queue" of offered books and > requests them when we can fit them into the scanning schedule. That > means that you will not be without your valuable book for a long period. > > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > > Books Purchased for the Archive CD Books Project > > Some of these old books are very expensive. Gone are the days when they > could be picked up in junk stores for a few pounds. People know their > value, and so they end up with specialist antiquarian booksellers. > Having said that, I do have a set of eight books here (The Records of > the Borough of Nottingham) that were rescued from being dumped in a > rubbish skip. And two others (The Ossett Burgess Rolls - now on CD) lent > to the project by someone who picked them up in a car boot sale for > £1.00 each! But that is rare. > > Old books cost a lot of money. The "cheapest" ones are the little 1830 > Pigot's county directories - anything from 15 to 150 pages - which sell > for around £40.00 each at present. A later county directory with about > 600-800 pages can be purchased from about £80.00 if you are lucky - and > it is likely to be in very poor condition indeed, literally falling > apart at the seams. One in good condition can fetch around £180.00 or > more. Some books, or sets of volumes can cost £500.00 or more! > > Generally speaking, if there are sufficient funds in the coffers, I can > purchase these books from book dealers. I have no problem with that, as > long as I consider that it is likely that enough CDs can be sold to > cover the costs. In the worst case scenario, if CDs do not sell, then > the books can always be re-sold afterwards. But its hard to sell enough > CDs to cover the cost of a £150.00 book plus the production costs. We > win on some and lose on some. > > However, if the sale of CDs is successful, then the books are then "paid > for", and actually become surplus to requirements. I don't need to keep > them. So - rather than selling them, I would prefer to literally give > them away - to a County Record Office, museum, or local studies library > in the county where they belong.... but in exchange for their co- > operation in loaning books to the Archive CD Books Project. By buying > one book, and then giving it away, we gain more books for the project. > Everyone gains! > > Just occasionally, something really very special happens. It has > happened a few times now. I find a book for sale, but can't afford to > buy it at that moment. If I don't buy it, then it will be sold to > someone else, and the opportunity would be lost. People have offered to > pay for the books! They don't want them personally - they just want all > of us to be able to have them on CD to aid in our family history > research. In these cases, the people concerned have simply said "Donate > the book to a good home after it has been scanned". Just how on earth do > we all find words to thank people such as those? > > But it is this sort of thing that the Archive CD Books Project is all > about. It feels very good indeed. > > Rod Neep > > > -- > > ARCHIVE CD BOOKS - > A not for profit project to reproduce old books on CD for genealogists > and pay for the restoration of books in Record Offices, Libraries, etc. > Mailing list : [email protected] (for discussions) > Weekly News : [email protected] (weekly announcements & news) > E-mail : [email protected] > Web : http://www.archivecdbooks.org > > > ==== CDBOOKS Mailing List ==== > The Archive CD Books Project http://www.archivecdbooks.org > For the weekly newsletter subscribe to > [email protected] --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.350 / Virus Database: 196 - Release Date: 17/04/2002

was that in your St Trinian's days. Bubbles from Robin Hood Country ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, April 19, 2002 5:34 PM Subject: [GEN-FRIENDS] Digital photos > Hasn't the world changed. > > Children actually look human nowadays - or is it just that we have better > cameras? > > Brian > Staffordshire, UK > List Admin > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Marged" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Friday, April 19, 2002 5:37 PM > Subject: [GEN-FRIENDS] Marged has sent you a digital photo! > > > > Marged has sent you a digital photo! > > > > You may pick it up at the following address: > > http://www.PhotoParade.com/pickup.asp?2253-8919-12433 > > > > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.350 / Virus Database: 196 - Release Date: 17/04/2002 > > > ==== GEN-FRIENDS Mailing List ==== > Please delete unwanted taglines and signatures before > sending your message to avoid over-long messages. > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

Thanks Vicky, it's downloading as we speak > Just downloaded the latest AVG. Good one too. > > Victoria B --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.350 / Virus Database: 196 - Release Date: 17/04/02

Very true, Marj. Very true! I believe it was only the girls who found out. Too late I have to admit, but they found out. Brian Staffordshire, UK List Admin ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marged" <[email protected]> To: "Brian" <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, April 19, 2002 5:52 PM Subject: Re: [GEN-FRIENDS] Re: Digital photos > Brian, YOU NEVER DID FIND OUT! > > Marj > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.350 / Virus Database: 196 - Release Date: 17/04/2002

Brian, YOU NEVER DID FIND OUT! Marj > Don't worry, Marj. All your pictures are being saved in my album for future > generations to understand why we [lads, males] were so subdued. Even it > those days it was obvious we would have to marry one of you and the prospect > was very daunting. Remember when you were eight or ten? Wondering what > life had to offer? I was too naive to realise there WAS something else. > And I think by the time I found out it was too late! --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.350 / Virus Database: 196 - Release Date: 17/04/02

Don't worry, Marj. All your pictures are being saved in my album for future generations to understand why we [lads, males] were so subdued. Even it those days it was obvious we would have to marry one of you and the prospect was very daunting. Remember when you were eight or ten? Wondering what life had to offer? I was too naive to realise there WAS something else. And I think by the time I found out it was too late! Brian Staffordshire, UK List Admin ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marged" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, April 19, 2002 5:35 PM Subject: [GEN-FRIENDS] Re: Digital photos > In a convoluted sort of way I know what you are getting at, and I will not > send you any more pictures if you are going to be like that. I was very > brave, sending you that picture. > > These are what my niece in Canada calls "FLKs" - Funny lookin' kids. > > Marj > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.350 / Virus Database: 196 - Release Date: 17/04/2002

Sorry for these repeats, seems I had the hiccups or something :) Angela ----- Original Message ----- From: Angela & Kostas Nicolaou <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, April 19, 2002 4:34 PM Subject: Re: [GEN-FRIENDS] > I don't have the 1851 Pam

In a convoluted sort of way I know what you are getting at, and I will not send you any more pictures if you are going to be like that. I was very brave, sending you that picture. These are what my niece in Canada calls "FLKs" - Funny lookin' kids. Marj > Hasn't the world changed. > > Children actually look human nowadays - or is it just that we have better > cameras? > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.350 / Virus Database: 196 - Release Date: 17/04/02

Hasn't the world changed. Children actually look human nowadays - or is it just that we have better cameras? Brian Staffordshire, UK List Admin ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marged" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, April 19, 2002 5:37 PM Subject: [GEN-FRIENDS] Marged has sent you a digital photo! > Marged has sent you a digital photo! > > You may pick it up at the following address: > http://www.PhotoParade.com/pickup.asp?2253-8919-12433 > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.350 / Virus Database: 196 - Release Date: 17/04/2002

Hope you have a nice week-end yourself, Vicky Marj Hope everyone has a wonderful weekend. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.350 / Virus Database: 196 - Release Date: 17/04/02

I don't have the 1851 Pam but to save you subbing to ENG-LIV I can ask someone I know that has it for you. Angela ----- Original Message ----- From: Brian <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, April 19, 2002 10:40 AM Subject: Re: [GEN-FRIENDS] > Why don't you sub to the scousers list and ask them? > > Brian > Staffordshire, UK > List Admin > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Pamela Cotton" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2002 11:39 PM > Subject: [GEN-FRIENDS] > > > > Hi All, > > > > Does anyone have a copy of the 1851 Census index of Liverpool? I believe > it > > is available on CD for £25 from the Liverpool FHS but before I go and buy > it > > I thought I would ask if any of you kind souls have it. If so could > someone > > extract the HALL families for me please? I realize I've got a big search > > on my hands and I shall have to order films in at the LDS Library but it > has > > got to be done. So any help with this index would be appreciated. > > > > Thanks > > Pam. > > > > Researching the following > > BROWNSWORD, COLCLOUGH, GROCOTT, KINNERSLEY, COOK, ELSMORE, LIMER, MASON > > BRUNT, BARNETT, WALKER, WRIGHT, all in Staffordshire > > COURT, HYDE, MORRIS Warwickshire, > > POTTER, Worcestershire, > > BAUGH, Hereford > > HALL, THOMPSON, Liverpool > > SHACKLOCK,WILEY Notts and Yorkshire, > > PARSONS, Somerset and Newport, Monmouth. > > > > > > --- > > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > > Version: 6.0.350 / Virus Database: 196 - Release Date: 17/04/2002 > > > > > > ==== GEN-FRIENDS Mailing List ==== > > If you are unsubscribed from the list unintentionally, > > simply resubscribe. A full mailbox, computer error, > > or spam may cause you to be unsubscribed. > > > > ============================== > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, > go to: > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.350 / Virus Database: 196 - Release Date: 17/04/2002 > > > ==== GEN-FRIENDS Mailing List ==== > Please delete unwanted taglines and signatures before > sending your message to avoid over-long messages. > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >