I actually gave it to my half4C4R who will be three next month. Brian Staffordshire, UK List Admin ----- Original Message ----- From: "Angela & Kostas Nicolaou" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, April 20, 2002 7:08 PM Subject: Re: [GEN-FRIENDS] JESSOP'S > What a terrible disappointment Brian. > > Well as long as the person you kindly gave it to appreciated it. > > angela --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.351 / Virus Database: 197 - Release Date: 19/04/2002

And the Yellow Guy is my next door neighbour. Runs a chippy! Brian Staffordshire, UK ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marged" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, April 20, 2002 7:44 PM Subject: [GEN-FRIENDS] Marged has sent you a digital photo! > Marged has sent you a digital photo! > > You may pick it up at the following address: > http://www.PhotoParade.com/pickup.asp?2198-5863-84433 > > Click on the link above to pick up your photo, or > copy and paste the link into your Internet browser. > ____________________________________________________________ > > Marged writes: > Brian's stately home, as shown on his new mouse mat > ____________________________________________________________ > > (Your photo will be available until Tuesday, April 30, 2002) > There is no charge for this service! > ************************************************************ > > SPECIAL COUPON OFFER (offer expires Saturday, April 20, 2002) > Save $3.00 on PhotoParade E-Mailer! Just $9.99... click below: > http://www.PhotoParade.com/coupon.asp?code=EZ-EMAIL2 > > PhotoParade E-Mailer makes mailing digital photos easy. > * Send photos without messy e-mail attachments! > * Automatically resizes photos to fit on your screen. > * Photos can be seen in any web browser > > For more information about PhotoParade, visit us at > http://www.PhotoParade.com/ > > > ==== GEN-FRIENDS Mailing List ==== > Suspect virus messages should be sent to the List Admin only, > NOT to the list, so they can be checked out before a panic starts. > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.351 / Virus Database: 197 - Release Date: 19/04/2002

You've got eyes like a sh***hawk! Actuall that is the replacement I bought the day before Pam told me she had it! Brian ----- Original Message ----- From: "Angela & Kostas Nicolaou" <[email protected]> To: "Brian" <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, April 20, 2002 7:28 PM Subject: Re: [GEN-FRIENDS] JESSOP'S > It's a lovely mousemat, and guess what I found your mobile !! > > angela --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.351 / Virus Database: 197 - Release Date: 19/04/2002

The exercise will do you the world of good, but only if you have a clear head at the time. Marj > I just got up to make a cup of tea and it took me a full ten minutes to get > down stairs. Easier and quicker via the window. > > > > Sorry mate - I'm fresh out of pan scrubbers, and I've done my sick > visiting > > for the day. Having your back rubbed is only for sissies, anyway. > > > > Marj > > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.351 / Virus Database: 197 - Release Date: 19/04/02

I have to say the mouse mat is very good. I'll send you a piccy, Ang. Brian Staffordshire, UK List Admin ----- Original Message ----- From: "Angela & Kostas Nicolaou" <[email protected]> To: "Brian" <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, April 20, 2002 7:08 PM Subject: Re: [GEN-FRIENDS] JESSOP'S > What a terrible disappointment Brian. > > Well as long as the person you kindly gave it to appreciated it. > > angela > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Brian <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Saturday, April 20, 2002 9:02 PM > Subject: [GEN-FRIENDS] JESSOP'S > > > > After waiting three weeks for a "guaranteed 4 day service" I finally > > received a "mouse mat and baseball cap with my favourite photo - all for > > £20" from Jessop's. If you've had a message advertising this service > don't > > bother! > > > > The cap was a complete load of rubbish with the picture at an odd angle > and > > not worth the £11 charged. I only ordered it because, as some of you > know, > > I collect caps. I gave it away. > > > > Brian > > Staffordshire, UK > > List Admin > > > > > > --- > > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > > Version: 6.0.351 / Virus Database: 197 - Release Date: 19/04/2002 > > > > > > ==== GEN-FRIENDS Mailing List ==== > > Please remember, commercial advertising is NOT allowed on this list. > > > > ============================== > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, > go to: > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.351 / Virus Database: 197 - Release Date: 19/04/2002

I just got up to make a cup of tea and it took me a full ten minutes to get down stairs. Easier and quicker via the window. Brian Staffordshire, UK List Admin ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marged" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, April 20, 2002 7:05 PM Subject: Re: [GEN-FRIENDS] Marged has sent you a digital photo! > Sorry mate - I'm fresh out of pan scrubbers, and I've done my sick visiting > for the day. Having your back rubbed is only for sissies, anyway. > > Marj > > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.351 / Virus Database: 197 - Release Date: 19/04/2002

Sorry mate - I'm fresh out of pan scrubbers, and I've done my sick visiting for the day. Having your back rubbed is only for sissies, anyway. Marj > Long enough to spend in Wales! Glad you're back. We're only five minutes > off the motorway and i need my back rubbing. I'm proper poorly. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.351 / Virus Database: 197 - Release Date: 19/04/02

Long enough to spend in Wales! Glad you're back. We're only five minutes off the motorway and i need my back rubbing. I'm proper poorly. Brian Staffordshire, UK List Admin ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marged" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, April 20, 2002 6:57 PM Subject: Re: [GEN-FRIENDS] Marged has sent you a digital photo! > Only takes an hour and a half door to door from our house to Colwyn Bay. > Been and come back. > > I only went for a short visit because I have a very sick relative there. > > We are very well placed here, only an hour and a half to the Lake District, > too. > > Marj > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.351 / Virus Database: 197 - Release Date: 19/04/2002

After waiting three weeks for a "guaranteed 4 day service" I finally received a "mouse mat and baseball cap with my favourite photo - all for £20" from Jessop's. If you've had a message advertising this service don't bother! The cap was a complete load of rubbish with the picture at an odd angle and not worth the £11 charged. I only ordered it because, as some of you know, I collect caps. I gave it away. Brian Staffordshire, UK List Admin --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.351 / Virus Database: 197 - Release Date: 19/04/2002

Only takes an hour and a half door to door from our house to Colwyn Bay. Been and come back. I only went for a short visit because I have a very sick relative there. We are very well placed here, only an hour and a half to the Lake District, too. Marj > Thought you'd gone to Wales. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.351 / Virus Database: 197 - Release Date: 19/04/02

Thought you'd gone to Wales. Brian Staffordshire, UK List Admin [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marged" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, April 20, 2002 6:18 PM Subject: Re: [GEN-FRIENDS] Marged has sent you a digital photo! > Jim, if I took any notice of Brian I would have been off this list ages ago! > And if I didn't provide him with ammunition, he'd have no bullets to fire, > would he? > > You don't get rid of me and my pictures as easy as that! > > Marj > > > > > Don't take notice of Brian, your piccies are smashing. I'm sure everyone > > loves them and finds them interesting Marg. > > > > > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.351 / Virus Database: 197 - Release Date: 19/04/02 > > > ==== GEN-FRIENDS Mailing List ==== > Please delete unwanted taglines and signatures before > sending your message to avoid over-long messages. > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.351 / Virus Database: 197 - Release Date: 19/04/2002

What can we say George, do hope you send us some photographs, your description of the 1.5 mile parade either bunching or gapping is bringing tears to my eyes. I do have rather a rotten imagination. Good luck. Bubbles from Robin Hood Country ----- Original Message ----- From: "George Elting" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, April 20, 2002 5:48 PM Subject: RE: [GEN-FRIENDS] where are you > Sorry, busy... > > As I said before: I'm on the Independence Day Parade Committee for my city > and since the parade is on July 4th, we have very little time for other > things right now. I'm second in command of staging and primary pacer. My job > is to get the parade organized and once it starts out, my job it to keep it > at an even pace and not allow it to bunch up or to get gaps... Not an easy > job when the parade is over 1.5 miles long goes up and down hills and around > corners... I usually have a crew of 6 to 8 or more helpers. :) > > > > Just another soggy Seattle Sysop. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Bubbles [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Friday, April 19, 2002 11:29 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: [GEN-FRIENDS] where are you > > I know its the weekend but, not one email > Bubbles from Robin Hood Country > > > > ==== GEN-FRIENDS Mailing List ==== > If you are a blood donor please ask to go on the Bone Marrow > Register. You won't be told about it if you don't ask. > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

Couldn't agree with you more Brian. We've stopped eating at so many places, the only place we'll eat soon is home. We are down to three local pub/restaurants in which we will eat. Even our favourite local can't provide hot chips - we are certainly not spending our hard earned cash on some of the rubbish served up today. As for the public health guy giving your name, I think that's criminal and he should have been reported to his superiors. I'm fed up of dirty glasses, grubby cutlery and whatever happened to the great British tablecloth? Bubbles from Robin Hood Country ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, April 20, 2002 4:20 PM Subject: [GEN-FRIENDS] Public services and public hygiene > I never thought anyone would ever hear me say this. In fact, if some of my > army pals could hear me now they'd turn in their graves. I've just visited > five pubs in the Stoke area and left each one without finishing my pint. I > have never been so disgusted at the standards in the British Pub. Foul beer > and ignorant staff. Two of the pubs serve Thwaites Beer, one of the best > brews in the country - except here in the Midlands. The answer is, if your > visiting the Midlands - avoid the Twaites sign. > > A couple of months ago I reported two pubs to the local Environmental Health > Department for filthy practices in the kitchen and whose inspector > immediately told the licensees who had reported them making things rather > difficult for me. I ask you, who's side are they on? One actually had > kittens walking the bar amongst the optics. > > Public health is a major problem in this country nowadays, mainly because a > lot of the younger generation have not been taught basic cleanliness. That > is obvious when you watch the kids. In pubs and restaurants the kids walk > around the room eating - don't tell me you haven't seen it. OK, it's a joke > to some but it passes on to the rest of us, even if we only use the same > glass or the same cup as a dirty person which has not been cleaned properly. > > Be careful. > > Brian > Staffordshire, UK > List Admin > > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.351 / Virus Database: 197 - Release Date: 19/04/2002 > > > ==== GEN-FRIENDS Mailing List ==== > Please change the Subject line when the subject of the reply > changes. > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

Jim, if I took any notice of Brian I would have been off this list ages ago! And if I didn't provide him with ammunition, he'd have no bullets to fire, would he? You don't get rid of me and my pictures as easy as that! Marj > Don't take notice of Brian, your piccies are smashing. I'm sure everyone > loves them and finds them interesting Marg. > > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.351 / Virus Database: 197 - Release Date: 19/04/02

Sorry about your dad. My thoughts are with you and your family. I understand a little bit of what you are going through. My mom is only 60 but is already concidered legally blind from Retinitus Pigmentosa and has had a few bad spills already. Bright Blessings Martha

Yes, the longest I've known it after yours. Ours is May 5th. Angela ----- Original Message ----- From: Bubbles <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, April 20, 2002 9:59 AM Subject: Re: [GEN-FRIENDS] where are you > Is your Easter after our Easter? Ours was at the beginning of April. > Bubbles from Robin Hood Country > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Angela & Kostas Nicolaou" <[email protected]> > To: "Bubbles" <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> > Sent: Saturday, April 20, 2002 7:50 AM > Subject: Re: [GEN-FRIENDS] where are you > > > > Morning Bubbles, > > > > I'm here but must get some spring cleaning done for Easter !! > > > > Sure the mails will start pouring in while I'm cleaning. > > > > angela > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Bubbles <[email protected]> > > To: <[email protected]> > > Sent: Saturday, April 20, 2002 9:28 AM > > Subject: [GEN-FRIENDS] where are you > > > > > > > I know its the weekend but, not one email > > > Bubbles from Robin Hood Country > > > > > > > > > ==== GEN-FRIENDS Mailing List ==== > > > If you are a blood donor please ask to go on the Bone Marrow > > > Register. You won't be told about it if you don't ask. > > > > > > ============================== > > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy > records, > > go to: > > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== GEN-FRIENDS Mailing List ==== > If you are unsubscribed from the list unintentionally, > simply resubscribe. A full mailbox, computer error, > or spam may cause you to be unsubscribed. > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

Hi Frances, alas the other members of my household do not entirely share my taste in music and there are rather a lot of CDs on three wall shelves. Added to that my player has packed up ( can't seem to find the time to dismantle it and have a look why ) and I'm using my granddaughters player in our loft room. So I thought I'd install four more shelves in my study ( half way up to the loft) and free the living room shelves for more feminine uses. You see I'm out numbered 3 to 1. Jim Sharpe Shaw, Oldham. -----Original Message----- From: Frances Myette [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2002 3:50 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [Gen-Friends]..Marged's "Book Case" in the Digital Picture!

For information only. Pam. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rod Neep" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, April 20, 2002 12:47 AM Subject: [CDBOOKS-NEWS] 19 April 2002 > Archive CD Books News > 19 April 2002 > > In this issue: > > * Free CDs to four lucky people > * Current Special Offers > * New CD Releases > * About The Archive CD Books Project > * Other News Snippets > ___________________________________________________________ > > Free CDs to four lucky people > > Each month we give away a CD each to four people who have helped the > project by mentioning us on the various genealogy mailing lists, or who > have helped others with their research from the Archive CD Books CDs that > they own. > > This month's fortunate four, chosen at random! are: > "sathomas" <[email protected]> > "Russell Gurney" <[email protected]> > "Adrian C Whittaker" <[email protected]> > "Ian Hunter" <[email protected]> > > Hmmmm.... includes two from the Essex mailing list... one of whom is the > infamous "pubby hunter"! Would those listed above drop an email line to > Allyson Cline at [email protected] (or give her a ring on > 01594-829359 9.30am to 5.00pm weekdays) and claim their free CD. Take your > pick from any that are currently in production. > ___________________________________________________________ > > > Special Offers > > The special offer on the Essex Kelly's and Post Office Directories has been > extended until midnight (BST) on Sunday 28 April. A 23 CD compendium set of > all of the Post Office and Kelly's Directories for Essex from 1851 through > to 1937. GBP 89.00 Effectively just GBP 3.87 per CD instead of the normal > price of £335.28 if purchased separately! > ___________________________________________________________ > > Latest CD Releases > > The very latest CD releases can always be seen immediately at: > http://www.rod-neep-co.uk/books/new > > * Suffolk 1896 Kelly's Directory > > * Kelly's Directory of Monmouthshire 1923 > > * White's 1883 History, Gazetteer and Directory of Norfolk > > * Marriage Licences: Vicar General of the Archbishop of Canterbury > 1660-1694 (4 vols.) > The fact that licences were issued by The Vicar General > of the Archbishop of Canterbury does not mean that they > were for marriages in Canterbury. They can be for anywhere > in the country. These volumes are fully indexed > see All England marriage licences & bonds > > * Marriage Licences issued from the Faculty Office of the Archbishop > of Canterbury at London 1543-1869 > > * Marriage Licences Issued by the Dean and Chapter of Westminster > 1558-1678. Also for those Issued by the Vicar General of the > Archbishop of Canterbury 1660-1679 > see All England marriage licences & bonds > > * Allegations for Marriage Licences in the Archdeaconry of Sudbury > in the County of Suffolk 1684-1839 > Records which will appeal to a wide range of researchers. > see Marriage Licences and Bonds page > > * Marriage Licences Issued by the Bishop of London 1520-1828 > Includes licences granted to marry in churches all over England. > see Marriage Licences and Bonds page > > * Marriage Licences Hampshire 1689-1837 > Two very large volumes - these will really break down brick > walls in research, as there are so many licences here for > people from all over England, and indeed, even some from America. > There are lots of marriages of soldiers and sailors! > see Marriage Licences and Bonds page > > * Thom's Irish Almanac & Official Directory 1877 > A huge directory with over 1800 pages. > see Ireland page > > * 1831 Edinburgh Almanack - Universal Scots and Imperial Register > > * The Complete Parish Officer 1772 > This is one of the most important resources that we have seen. > *The* handbook for parish affairs, bastardy, poor law, etc. > See England / Miscellaneous > > * Kelly's Directory of Kent 1903 (with map) > > * The Registers of Penwortham - Lancashire 1608-1753 > Baptisms, marriages and burials 1608-1753. > > * Kelly's Directory of Westmoreland 1897 (with map) > > * Post Office Directory of Bolton 1876-7 > A superb and incredibly comprehensive directory of > this Lancashire town. > > * Kelly's Directory of Warwickshire 1900 > > > * The Village Labourer 1760-1832 > An absolutely fascinating read which allows you to > understand the hardships and the problems that the ordinary > person faced during these times > > * The Skilled Labourer 1760-1832 > Although similar to 'The Village Labourer' (see above) > this book deals with the history specific groups of workers. > see All England Lifestyle page > > * The Village Labourer & The Skilled Labourer 1760-1832 > Both of these wonderful books on one CD at a special price. > > * The India Office List 1933 > The real gem, is The Record of Services. This is a 437 > page section with details of people and their service > record in India. > see India page > > * Thacker's Indian Directory 1895 > An incredibly comprehensive directory of the cities of > Calcutta, Madras, Bombay, Allahabad. Lahore, Simla and > Rangoon see India page. > > * The History of British India - McFarlane 1881 > A fabulous history of the sub-continent. > see India page > > * Central Provinces District Gazetteers-Saugor District 1907 > A superb gazetteer of the Saugor district of India. > see India page > > * Memorials of Old Shropshire > A wonderful history of the ancient county of Shropshire > see Shropshire page > > * Memorials of Old Herefordshire > An excellent history of the county > see Herefordshire history page > > * Newcastle Polls 1777-1780 > All of those entitled to vote in the Parliamentary > elections at Newcastle-upon-Tyne. A real gem! > see Northumberland page > > * A History of the College of Arms - 1804 > A very rare book with lots of fascinating information about > the College of Arms and how arms were (and still are) really > granted! > see All England Peers and Peerages > > * The Visitation of Dorsetshire 1623 > Records of the Visitation by the Heralds of the College of Arms > see All England Peers and Peerages > > * The Visitation of Somersetshire 1623 > Records of the Visitation by the Heralds of the College of Arms > see All England Peers and Peerages > > * The Visitation of Yorkshire 1563-64 > Records of the Visitation by the Heralds of the College of Arms > > We shall be rolling out quite a lot of the "Visitations of the Heralds" > series during the next week or so for different counties. Superb and rare > books that detail the pedigrees of the more important families in each > county. Details of coats of arms, and family pedigrees dating back to > Norman times. > > The very latest CD releases can always be seen immediately at: > http://www.rod-neep-co.uk/books/new > > There is now a total of 670 different CDs in production! > > _________________________________________________________________ > > > How the Archive CD Books Project Works > ====================================== > > People often ask me "How do you manage to produce CDs to sell at that > price?" > > The answer is simple: It is because of the way that the project works. > > Essentially, the old books for the project are lent to us, and those > doing the lending gain something. I buy books too, and they are usually > given away (to organisations who lend us books) when the project has > finished with them. > > I believe in value for money, so the CD books are sold at a very > reasonable price. Folks like that. Funds from the proceeds of CD sales > buy more books for the project, or pay for books loaned by County Record > Offices, museums, local studies libraries, museums, etc. to be > renovated. > > That's the basics.... now for the detail. > > See - it is simplicity itself - it is self-funding. > And the more books that the project produces on CD, the more it grows. > > The flow chart on our "about us" web page was created when the Archive > CD Books Project began in March 2000. The principles have remained > precisely the same. All that has happened since then is that there has > been lots more activity. The Archive CD Books Project grew and grew > thanks to our supporters. In the beginning I used to do it all myself, > but a point was reached where that wasn't possible. In order to cope > with the large increase in activity, staff have been employed, currently > seven full time and three part time, (all but one were jobless from the > local employment office). We have also purchased four of the superb > Bookeye scanners (GBP 12,500 each) together with the computers to run them, > and a couple of high-throughput CD makers. There are also of course, > considerably higher monthly running costs. > > Despite all of this additional expense, the prices of the CDs have > remained the same. > > The fact that we now have a large throughput, and have the > responsibility for paying staff could make it appear to some that The > Archive CD Books Project is a big commercial business. Sure, in order > for it to be efficient, it does have to be run on business lines, but > the overall principle and ethos has remained *precisely* the same since > day one, and it is not intended to be an organisation that makes huge > profits. The money from the sale of CDs is ploughed back in to make it > grow for the benefit of everyone. The whole thing is a very fine > balancing act. If the project was purely "business for profit", then it > would be easier to build up a buffer to cater for the "down times". > Trying to strike a balance between feeding the animal's overheads, > paying staff and yet still meeting our objectives is much more > difficult. In fact, the responsibility can tend to become a little scary > at times. > > The mission statement is the same today that it has always been since > the foundation of Archive CD Books in March 2000: > > "The Archive CD Books Project exists to make reproductions of old books, > documents and maps available on CD to genealogists and historians, and > to co-operate with libraries, museums and record offices in providing > money to renovate old books in their collection, and to donate books to > their collections, where they will be preserved for future generations." > > ..... and we are succeeding ! > > The Archive CD Books Project relies very heavily on "word of mouth" > recommendations. We cannot justify huge expenses on formal advertising. > (If we did that, the prices of the CDs would certainly have to be > increased). We are very grateful to those supporters who add : > "I use Archive CD Books to help with my research - > http://www.archivecdbooks.org" > to their message tag lines on the genealogy mailing lists. Even more so, > it is very gratifying to see people helping each other on the genealogy > discussion lists on the internet by using their copies of the CDs to > help others find ancestors, and help to fill in the background > information by looking for information about towns and villages > contained in the CD books. That is what our hobby is all about. People > helping each other. (Please note that not all producers of CDs are happy > with the use of their products in this way, and consider it to be an > infringement of their copyright - we do not.) > > Without this "word of mouth" activity taking place on the genealogy > mailing lists our CDs do not sell in sufficient quantities to justify > the cost of buying the books, producing them on CD, and renovating them > for the record offices and libraries, etc. The only alternatives would > be to either not produce them on CD or to increase the prices > considerably, and that would defeat the object of the Archive CD Books > Project. On the other hand, in the areas where we get the most support, > we feel much more confident in producing more of these old and rare > books on CD. > > ----------------------------------------------------------- > > Books loaned by a County Record Office, Local Studies Library, Museum or > Family History Society > > Organisations such as these have a vast collection of books that are > suitable for the project. > > The best ones of course, are those that contain lots of peoples' names. > They will always be the most popular, although really good county > history books and old topography and guide books can provide a vast > amount of background information for family historians too. > > One of the problems that these organisations have, is the lack of funds > to renovate and rebind old books. Many in their collections are in > pitiful state. But it is a very costly exercise - anything from £50 to > £200. It is a skilled task to renovate an old book to original condition > with calf leather and gold lettering, embossing, etc. > > The answer is staggeringly simple - The Archives CD Books Project pays > for the renovation of the books. We have done it already in many, many > cases, and we shall do it again and again. > > But we want something in return - we would like to borrow books. We > appreciate that such organisations often have a rule - no books leave > the premises - but in these circumstances rules can be bent a little, as > there is so much to gain. And we find that as the project becomes better > known, then Principal Archivists and Curators are more willing to co- > operate. We do it once and it works, and that opens up the doors to more > co-operation. It's all down to trust. The book is usually needed on loan > for a week or so. Enough time to scan it. > > A copy (or few) of the finished CD is also donated to the organisation. > That saves future wear and tear on the books as the public can view the > books on CD. > > We also give old books to these organisations. Books that we have > purchased for the project from dealers need a good home. I am happy to > simply donate them after they have been scanned and the CDs produced. > They are of no further use to the project, so why not? (We have a policy > of giving away books to places that will preserve them rather than > having them subjected to wear and tear). But again, we would like > something in return. The loan of more books, and again, we are prepared > to pay for them to be renovated. > > --------------------------------------------------------- > > Books Loaned by Individuals > > There are a lot of people out there who have private collections, or the > odd book that they have picked up from a dealer's bookshop. What do they > gain from loaning books to the project? Nothing other than a tremendous > amount of satisfaction that they are helping other genealogists and > historians. Fortunately, there are lots of people out there who want to > share in this way just to help others. It's brilliant! > > Books are needed on loan for a week or so, sometimes longer if there are > a lot of books in the pipeline waiting to be scanned. It is the scanning > that is the slow part of all this. To date I have been loaned lots of > really good books by individuals. Some books even come from the other > side of the world for scanning. > > Books that come to the Archives CD Books Project from individuals are > especially valuable to the project. They costs nothing! But the funds > from the sale of the CDs can be used to purchase other books, or to help > pay for renovation of books loaned by museums and county record offices, > etc. That all helps the project to grow. > > If you have a book which could be loaned to the project then please > contact us by e-mailing: [email protected] - Allyson Cline > deals with those, and keeps a "virtual queue" of offered books and > requests them when we can fit them into the scanning schedule. That > means that you will not be without your valuable book for a long period. > > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > > Books Purchased for the Archive CD Books Project > > Some of these old books are very expensive. Gone are the days when they > could be picked up in junk stores for a few pounds. People know their > value, and so they end up with specialist antiquarian booksellers. > Having said that, I do have a set of eight books here (The Records of > the Borough of Nottingham) that were rescued from being dumped in a > rubbish skip. And two others (The Ossett Burgess Rolls - now on CD) lent > to the project by someone who picked them up in a car boot sale for > £1.00 each! But that is rare. > > Old books cost a lot of money. The "cheapest" ones are the little 1830 > Pigot's county directories - anything from 15 to 150 pages - which sell > for around £40.00 each at present. A later county directory with about > 600-800 pages can be purchased from about £80.00 if you are lucky - and > it is likely to be in very poor condition indeed, literally falling > apart at the seams. One in good condition can fetch around £180.00 or > more. Some books, or sets of volumes can cost £500.00 or more! > > Generally speaking, if there are sufficient funds in the coffers, I can > purchase these books from book dealers. I have no problem with that, as > long as I consider that it is likely that enough CDs can be sold to > cover the costs. In the worst case scenario, if CDs do not sell, then > the books can always be re-sold afterwards. But its hard to sell enough > CDs to cover the cost of a £150.00 book plus the production costs. We > win on some and lose on some. > > However, if the sale of CDs is successful, then the books are then "paid > for", and actually become surplus to requirements. I don't need to keep > them. So - rather than selling them, I would prefer to literally give > them away - to a County Record Office, museum, or local studies library > in the county where they belong.... but in exchange for their co- > operation in loaning books to the Archive CD Books Project. By buying > one book, and then giving it away, we gain more books for the project. > Everyone gains! > > Just occasionally, something really very special happens. It has > happened a few times now. I find a book for sale, but can't afford to > buy it at that moment. If I don't buy it, then it will be sold to > someone else, and the opportunity would be lost. People have offered to > pay for the books! They don't want them personally - they just want all > of us to be able to have them on CD to aid in our family history > research. In these cases, the people concerned have simply said "Donate > the book to a good home after it has been scanned". Just how on earth do > we all find words to thank people such as those? > > But it is this sort of thing that the Archive CD Books Project is all > about. It feels very good indeed. > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Other Snippets of News > ====================== > > We are really pleased to have started releasing books for researchers with > ancestors and links in India. During the last week we have released four of > them, including the wonderful 1895 Thacker's Directory > > The DerbysGEN mailing list Get-Together this year will be on Saturday, May > 25th at the Clock Warehouse pub, Shardlow, South Derbyshire. (same venue as > last year). Starts about 6-00pm. Good Bar meals are available if required > but you don't have to indulge. Jayne McHugh is organising a Derbyshire Quiz > and Archive CD Books has donated a complete set of the Derbyshire > Phillimore's Marriages CDs as one of the prizes, plus a couple more of the > Derbyshire books on CD. John Palmer has also donated other prizes. > Shardlow is just off the M1 and the pub is on the old main road (as opposed > to the new A50) running through the village. Lots to do in the area if you > want to make a day of it. Shardlow was one of the most important canal > centres in the country and a walk along the 'cut' is very interesting. > Elvaston Castle Country Park is about 2 miles away and the DFHS HQ at > Bridge Chapel House, Derby will be open and is about 5 miles away. If you > have interests in Derbyshire, why not pop along there? Rod Neep will be > attending too, so do make yourself known for a chat. > > Sandwell Records Office has an open day Saturday 20th April, with various > guest speakers. The Friends of Sandwell Archives have stocks of all of the > Archive CD Books CDs for Staffordshire, Birmingham and Warwickshire which > will be for sale at the event. The CDs will now be on sale permanently at > the Sandwell Archives, and profits will go towards various projects to aid > the archives. > > This week we have donated another batch of CDs to the Oxfordshire Family > History Society for members' use at meetings. I have yet to see a copy, but > I understand that Archive CD Books has made front page on their recently > released issue of their magazine. > > Last week 20 books went from here to Riley Dunn & Wilson, the bookbinders. > Once restored, they will be donated to various record offices, libraries > and museums where they will be preserved for future generations. In > addition to these, a few boxes full of books were also sent there from the > Family Record Centre in London (The PRO), and we shall also be paying for > those to be restored. These are just some of the books that first found > their way here to be scanned and put onto CD as part of our co-operative > project with the PRO. Another success story for the Archive CD Books > Project. Once renovated, the books will be withdrawn from the open shelves > and preserved. The CDs of *every* one of our county directories (not just > the books that originated from there) are now available for visitors to the > Family Record Centre to browse through, and the CDs are also available to > purchase at the FRC Bookshop. > ____________________________________________________________________ > > > All the best in your hunting for those elusive ancestors! > > Regards > Rod Neep > > > -- > > ARCHIVE CD BOOKS - > A not for profit project to reproduce old books on CD for genealogists > and pay for the restoration of books in Record Offices, Libraries, etc. > Mailing list : [email protected] (for discussions) > Weekly News : [email protected] (weekly announcements & news) > E-mail : [email protected] > Web : http://www.archivecdbooks.org > > > ==== CDBOOKS-NEWS Mailing List ==== > The Archive CD Books Project http://www.archivecdbooks.org > For the weekly newsletter subscribe to > [email protected] --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. 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I never thought anyone would ever hear me say this. In fact, if some of my army pals could hear me now they'd turn in their graves. I've just visited five pubs in the Stoke area and left each one without finishing my pint. I have never been so disgusted at the standards in the British Pub. Foul beer and ignorant staff. Two of the pubs serve Thwaites Beer, one of the best brews in the country - except here in the Midlands. The answer is, if your visiting the Midlands - avoid the Twaites sign. A couple of months ago I reported two pubs to the local Environmental Health Department for filthy practices in the kitchen and whose inspector immediately told the licensees who had reported them making things rather difficult for me. I ask you, who's side are they on? One actually had kittens walking the bar amongst the optics. Public health is a major problem in this country nowadays, mainly because a lot of the younger generation have not been taught basic cleanliness. That is obvious when you watch the kids. In pubs and restaurants the kids walk around the room eating - don't tell me you haven't seen it. OK, it's a joke to some but it passes on to the rest of us, even if we only use the same glass or the same cup as a dirty person which has not been cleaned properly. Be careful. Brian Staffordshire, UK List Admin --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.351 / Virus Database: 197 - Release Date: 19/04/2002

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