There you go Angela, a good Christian has an explanation for everything. Jim Sharpe Shaw, Oldham. -----Original Message----- From: Angela & Kostas Nicolaou [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2002 2:00 PM To: Jim SHARPE; [email protected] Subject: Re: [GEN-FRIENDS] Premium Bonds [changed subject]. You see Jim, that's why you're not lucky with lotteries etc, you've been blessed with a loving family. Angela --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.351 / Virus Database: 197 - Release Date: 4/19/02

You can be quite sure someone will tell you can't Brian. Jim Sharpe Shaw, Oldham. -----Original Message----- From: Brian [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2002 4:16 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [GEN-FRIENDS] St George for England I still have the Flag of St George as my flag and will ever continue to do so! I defy anyone to tell me I can't! Brian --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.351 / Virus Database: 197 - Release Date: 4/19/02

Apparently, (I am too young to remember) Although bread wasn't rationed during WW2 it was between 1946 and 48 by Clement 'Fair Shares' Atlee. The measure was ostensibly meant to help starving Germany after they'd spent five years trying to bomb the hell out of us. That's not my style of Socialism. Coupled with the fuel crisis it provoked the headlines Starve with Strachey (John Strachey , Minister of food) and shiver with Shinwell (Manny Shinwell, Minister of fuel) Motor fuel was derationed in 1950 and was available as low octane Pool Petrol until brand names were re- established. I can actually still remember the 'pinking ' bangs. Now that's probably when counselling might have helped because we were all still shell shocked from the being bombed by the poor starving Germans who probably bombed Marged's Chippy. Jim Sharpe Shaw, Oldham. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.351 / Virus Database: 197 - Release Date: 4/19/02

I think you need to lie down. :-)) Brian Staffordshire, UK List Admin www.lordbramhall.co.uk ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marged" <[email protected]> To: "Brian" <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2002 4:33 PM Subject: Re: [GEN-FRIENDS] CHECK THE DATE [forwarded by Brian] > Brian - I just don't know what you are on about. > > Marj > > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.351 / Virus Database: 197 - Release Date: 20/04/2002

Brian - I just don't know what you are on about. Marj > Because I chose to resurface it. I was reading through the Archives > following Jims prodding and found it. > > I thought [then and now] that it was/is quite funny. Especially in view of > my feelings towards the australians who have a special thickness. They are > funny, also, depending if you watch neighbours, young doctors, home and > away, or......... need I go on? What crap they've sent us [except for > Kylie, if I've spelt her name right]. And their voices are more irritating > [if poss] than white-african. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.351 / Virus Database: 197 - Release Date: 19/04/02

Jim, in days gone by, before the ultra-mobile society we now live in, the "psychologists" of the world were our extended family, Grandfather, great uncle Fred, as well as the elders of the village and church. The wisdom of the older generation what listened to and appreciated... Now we pay people to be our extended family and our village elders... Strange way of doing things, if you ask me! Just another soggy Seattle Sysop. -----Original Message----- From: Jim SHARPE [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2002 3:08 AM To: [email protected] Subject: RE: [GEN-FRIENDS] from today's Telegraph I'm afraid all this psychology lark goes right above my head. I can't imagine ever having to resort to unloading my innermost privacies to others. Someone suggested it was a male thing to have been programmed from birth to cope with ones own problems privately. Could be a lot in that. A lot of these strange therapy ideas originated in America like the funny religious sects did. Jim Sharpe Shaw, Oldham.

At least he's with the British Army and not just here for the dole! Brian Staffordshire, UK List Admin www.lordbramhall.co.uk ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marged" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2002 2:13 PM Subject: Re: [GEN-FRIENDS] Daily Mirror > Thanks Mike - very interesting. I hope he doesn't find it difficult when he > comes home and people haven't really understood what he is saying. > > Marj > > > MUSLIM MARINE FIGHTS IN NAME OF ISLAM > > >From Tom Newton Dunn At Bagram Air Base > > > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.351 / Virus Database: 197 - Release Date: 19/04/02 > > > ==== GEN-FRIENDS Mailing List ==== > Please change the Subject line when the subject of the reply > changes. > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.351 / Virus Database: 197 - Release Date: 20/04/2002

I still have the Flag of St George as my flag and will ever continue to do so! I defy anyone to tell me I can't! Brian Staffordshire, UK List Admin www.lordbramhall.co.uk ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marged" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2002 1:56 PM Subject: Re: [GEN-FRIENDS] St George for England > I am proud to be English instead of British, which anyone can be if they can > get a passport. > > However, I am not pleased with the sight of the Union flag any more. To me, > nowadays, it smacks of extreme right wing or even fascist tendencies. I was > going to have the flag of St George for my flag, but they've cottoned on to > that, too, now. > > Marj > > > > > > Being proud of our nationality does NOT make us racist but now the > > do-gooders are trying to get the flying of the English flag banned because > > the immigrants find it offensive. > > > > I believe it is MY RIGHT to be proud of my country. > > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.351 / Virus Database: 197 - Release Date: 20/04/2002

Because I chose to resurface it. I was reading through the Archives following Jims prodding and found it. I thought [then and now] that it was/is quite funny. Especially in view of my feelings towards the australians who have a special thickness. They are funny, also, depending if you watch neighbours, young doctors, home and away, or......... need I go on? What crap they've sent us [except for Kylie, if I've spelt her name right]. And their voices are more irritating [if poss] than white-african. Brian Staffordshire, UK List Admin www.lordbramhall.co.uk ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marged" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2002 1:59 PM Subject: Re: [GEN-FRIENDS] CHECK THE DATE [forwarded by Brian] > Please note the DATE of that article - 5th March 2001. I am not certain why > it has resurfaced! > > Marj --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.351 / Virus Database: 197 - Release Date: 20/04/2002

Thank you, Mike. What more can I say? Thank you. Brian Staffordshire, UK List Admin www.lordbramhall.co.uk ----- Original Message ----- From: "mikemail" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2002 12:48 PM Subject: [GEN-FRIENDS] Daily Mirror > MUSLIM MARINE FIGHTS IN NAME OF ISLAM > >From Tom Newton Dunn At Bagram Air Base > > THE only Muslim Royal Marine in Afghanistan vowed last night to fight > al-Qaeda terrorists in the name of Islam. > Each night as his comrades sit in camp playing cards and talking about the > conflict, Ghazanfar Hussain, 22, reads the Koran. > He doesn't drink or smoke, and the Brit-born commando of Pakistani origin > tries to pray as often as possible - whenever he gets a chance to clean his > feet. > But he insists that to fight against the Islamic extremist organisation and > kill their followers does not clash with his beliefs. > Ghaza, from Yorkshire, said: "It made me very angry when al-Qaeda used my > religion on September 11 to justify what they did. > "There is no suicide bombing in the Koran. They are just simple terrorists. > Their faith is false. > "When we go up there to sort them out, not only will I be doing my job, I'll > also be doing right by my religion. They need to be stopped and brought to > justice. And that is in the Koran." > Ghaza's mother is home in Yorkshire while his father has returned to the > Kashmir mountains to look after Ghaza's ageing grandmother. > Speaking at Bagram Air Base as he prepared for war, Ghaza added: "The > terrorists killed hundreds of Pakistanis on September 11 and hundreds of > Muslims, not to mention hundreds of British. I think some people have > forgotten that. > "The bottom line is that I'm a British citizen, so I fight for Britain." > After 18 months' hard training, former Burger King waiter Ghaza is one of > the fittest marines in 45 Commando's Whiskey Company. > And he says he enjoys the mutual respect of his colleagues. "No matter what > your colour, creed or beliefs everyone is treated the same," he says. "We > are all brothers." > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.351 / Virus Database: 197 - Release Date: 20/04/2002

You see Jim, that's why you're not lucky with lotteries etc, you've been blessed with a loving family. Angela ----- Original Message ----- From: Jim SHARPE <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2002 1:40 PM Subject: RE: [GEN-FRIENDS] Premium Bonds [changed subject]. > Spending it all is a good idea if you think it would create problems, but we > brought our kids up to be self reliant as you would no doubt expect from my > expressed opinions. They are both self made, very unselfish and in nearly > fifty years have shown only love and consideration for each other as they do > to us. Perhaps we are extremely fortunate but I like to think we have had > something to do with it. > > Jim Sharpe Shaw, Oldham. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Roz [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2002 8:10 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [GEN-FRIENDS] Premium Bonds [changed subject]. > > Don't think that because you write your will that is what will happen. My > F-in-L did that but his almost ex wife (they hadn't got to the absolute) was > able to change it. Kids can go to the court and change what you want. > That's why I intend to spend all mine, or give it away to who I want to have > it, before I die!!!! > Roz > > > > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.351 / Virus Database: 197 - Release Date: 4/19/02 > > > > ==== GEN-FRIENDS Mailing List ==== > If you are unsubscribed from the list unintentionally, > simply resubscribe. A full mailbox, computer error, > or spam may cause you to be unsubscribed. > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

If you look carefully you will see there are two flag. One is the St Georges flag as we know it. The other has a red hand in the centre . Brian Staffordshire, UK List Admin www.lordbramhall.co.uk ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marged" <[email protected]> To: "Brian" <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2002 1:56 PM Subject: Re: [GEN-FRIENDS] St George for England > I am proud to be English instead of British, which anyone can be if they can > get a passport. > > However, I am not pleased with the sight of the Union flag any more. To me, > nowadays, it smacks of extreme right wing or even fascist tendencies. I was > going to have the flag of St George for my flag, but they've cottoned on to > that, too, now. > > Marj > > > > > > Being proud of our nationality does NOT make us racist but now the > > do-gooders are trying to get the flying of the English flag banned because > > the immigrants find it offensive. > > > > I believe it is MY RIGHT to be proud of my country. > > > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.351 / Virus Database: 197 - Release Date: 19/04/02 > > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.351 / Virus Database: 197 - Release Date: 20/04/2002

We have no choice. Rootsweb have control. Brian Staffordshire, UK List Admin www.lordbramhall.co.uk ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim SHARPE" <[email protected]> To: "Brian" <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2002 11:40 AM Subject: RE: [GEN-FRIENDS] Prison > Then perhaps we don't really need archives . > > Jim Sharpe Shaw, Oldham. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Brian [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2002 7:31 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [GEN-FRIENDS] Prison > > Oh, sweet innocence.................. > > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.351 / Virus Database: 197 - Release Date: 20/04/2002

MUSLIM MARINE FIGHTS IN NAME OF ISLAM >From Tom Newton Dunn At Bagram Air Base THE only Muslim Royal Marine in Afghanistan vowed last night to fight al-Qaeda terrorists in the name of Islam. Each night as his comrades sit in camp playing cards and talking about the conflict, Ghazanfar Hussain, 22, reads the Koran. He doesn't drink or smoke, and the Brit-born commando of Pakistani origin tries to pray as often as possible - whenever he gets a chance to clean his feet. But he insists that to fight against the Islamic extremist organisation and kill their followers does not clash with his beliefs. Ghaza, from Yorkshire, said: "It made me very angry when al-Qaeda used my religion on September 11 to justify what they did. "There is no suicide bombing in the Koran. They are just simple terrorists. Their faith is false. "When we go up there to sort them out, not only will I be doing my job, I'll also be doing right by my religion. They need to be stopped and brought to justice. And that is in the Koran." Ghaza's mother is home in Yorkshire while his father has returned to the Kashmir mountains to look after Ghaza's ageing grandmother. Speaking at Bagram Air Base as he prepared for war, Ghaza added: "The terrorists killed hundreds of Pakistanis on September 11 and hundreds of Muslims, not to mention hundreds of British. I think some people have forgotten that. "The bottom line is that I'm a British citizen, so I fight for Britain." After 18 months' hard training, former Burger King waiter Ghaza is one of the fittest marines in 45 Commando's Whiskey Company. And he says he enjoys the mutual respect of his colleagues. "No matter what your colour, creed or beliefs everyone is treated the same," he says. "We are all brothers." --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.351 / Virus Database: 197 - Release Date: 20-Apr-02

Thanks Mike - very interesting. I hope he doesn't find it difficult when he comes home and people haven't really understood what he is saying. Marj > MUSLIM MARINE FIGHTS IN NAME OF ISLAM > >From Tom Newton Dunn At Bagram Air Base > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.351 / Virus Database: 197 - Release Date: 19/04/02

Please note the DATE of that article - 5th March 2001. I am not certain why it has resurfaced! Marj > Well !!! On our list why don't we make it a presumption of forwarding > permission, unless specifically prohibited by the member, as an article of > membership. That solves the problem. Storm in a teacup really. > today.!! > Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2001 14:13:29 -0000 > > > TOO BAD, EH? --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.351 / Virus Database: 197 - Release Date: 19/04/02

In response to Brian's message quoted below - how he's leaving his will. Marj > Marg you've snipped too high. What's all right then? > >> > Oh well, that's all right then! > > > > > Don't worry Marj, they are all to be treated the same! Just so it's even. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.351 / Virus Database: 197 - Release Date: 19/04/02

I am proud to be English instead of British, which anyone can be if they can get a passport. However, I am not pleased with the sight of the Union flag any more. To me, nowadays, it smacks of extreme right wing or even fascist tendencies. I was going to have the flag of St George for my flag, but they've cottoned on to that, too, now. Marj > > Being proud of our nationality does NOT make us racist but now the > do-gooders are trying to get the flying of the English flag banned because > the immigrants find it offensive. > > I believe it is MY RIGHT to be proud of my country. > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.351 / Virus Database: 197 - Release Date: 19/04/02

Jim, America is still a baby in the scheme of things but rudimentary psychology, therapy and sharing problems with others has been around since the dawn of human existence. Sue* ----- Original Message ----- > I'm afraid all this psychology lark goes right above my head. I can't > imagine ever having to resort to unloading my innermost privacies to others. > Someone suggested it was a male thing to have been programmed from birth to > cope with ones own problems privately. Could be a lot in that. A lot of > these strange therapy ideas originated in America like the funny religious > sects did. > > > Jim Sharpe Shaw, Oldham. --- Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.351 / Virus Database: 197 - Release Date: 4/19/2002

Then perhaps we don't really need archives . Jim Sharpe Shaw, Oldham. -----Original Message----- From: Brian [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2002 7:31 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [GEN-FRIENDS] Prison Oh, sweet innocence.................. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.351 / Virus Database: 197 - Release Date: 4/19/02