Bravo for you, Joan. We have a fairly well known researcher in Ohio who has at the age of nearly 80 amassed and published "tons" of work on the Bogardus/Brouwer family lines (Adam Brouwer was one of my 10th g-grandfathers/New Amsrerdam 1624). He has never used, wanted nor needed a computer. Admittedly that's rare in this day and age but it speaks volumes, to me at least. I can't tell from your addy where you are located so I have no idea whether or not you've heard of him, but it's certainly worth thinking about. I also have books in my home library dating back to the 1920's and thereabouts.....yellowed with age but otherwise intact and certainly readable. Maureen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joan L. Asche" <jasche45133@aol.com> To: <GEN-COMP-TIPS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, September 03, 2004 6:06 AM Subject: Re: [Gen-Comp-Tips] WHAT DO WE STORE OUR GOODIES ON. Paper works for me. After having just lost all of my data from a computer crash and not having a working CD ROM or zip drive to back it up -- had I not had a paper copy I doubt I would still be doing this hobby, and would not have started over. So needless to say, I trust paper. Since none of my family is interested in being the keeper of family history, I sent a backup copy to my cousin who is also interested in our family history. She had to have a paper copy because she doesn't own a computer and has no plan to purchase one in the future. She has done all of her research the old fashioned way and keeps her family tree written in ball point pen. Believe or not, there are a few people in the world who do not own computers or have internet accesss. I have in my possession a photocopy of a serveral page, well-documented manuscript done several years ago by a now deceased distant relative who typed all of his research on a old typewriter on paper. Since mine is an ongoing and ever growing hobby I update my paper copy often. What will happen to my research after I am gone is anybody's guess but I doubt by that time it won't much matter to me anyway. :) Arthur & Stella wrote on 9/3/2004, 3:10 AM: > It is not as easy as that Joan. > > There is a lot of reports that the paper we now use is acidic > and only has a life of 10 years likewise the ink we now use. > I know it will last much longer then that but it is hardly the > media one would trust with our years of hard work. > Then we have to get a copy to each of our loved ones. > > This is a point that has just come home to me. as I have had > a very good friend die. & his wife and children are not at all > interested, in his years of work. > > Luckily I was asked to format his drive, so I was able to save > most of his work. & I got his wife's permission to send his tree > to the LDS. but what do I do with the rest, until his grandchildren > come of age? (That is if I am still around then) > > Regards Arthur > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Joan L. Asche" <jasche45133@aol.com> > To: <GEN-COMP-TIPS-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2004 8:56 PM > Subject: Re: [Gen-Comp-Tips] WHAT DO WE STORE OUR GOODIES ON. > > > > Maybe this sounds stupid but why not paper? > > > > Every so often update a hardcopy and store it in binder where the > family > > can find it. > > > > This way family members not familiar with computer/or the programs I > use > > still have access to the family history. > > > > Arthur & Stella wrote on 9/1/2004, 7:18 PM: > > > > > Thanks for that Teresa. > > > > > > I have backed all my data threefold One for each of my adult > children. > > > Hoping one survives. But my point is we require some kind of a > standard. > > > The problem as I see it, doesn't stop with the dye, there is a glue > > > problem. > > > & we have all heard of exploding CD's, or scratched CD's, or even > the > > > programs the data is written on. e.g. I have several files I wrote > > > back in > > > the days of ATARI on a long lost program. they are now useless as I > can't > > > read them. > > > And who says that CD's will be around in 20 years remember the 5.5" > > > floppies? how many of us could recover data from them? > > > > > > It seems to me we are progressing backwards? (If that makes any > sense) > > > I pulled out my grandfathers WW1 paybook the other day, that had > gone > > > through the trenches, & who knows what. from 1914. and would you > believe > > > it? it is as legible as the day it was written in 1914. & I can't > even > > > recover > > > data I wrote 15 years ago. (Well I could but it would cost me an > arm & > a > > > leg). > > > We have to think foreword. & make our data as easy for our > descendents > to > > > read as it is for me to pick up granddads paybook. or we are wasting > our > > > time. > > > > > > FOOD FOR THOUGHT! > > > Arthur South Oz > > > > > > Ps I am a born pessimist. but I would love to hear some > alternatives. >

I am in Ohio. Highland County if that helps any. I am not familar with the researcher you have mentioned. But then again this in not my family line. Appreciate your comments. My one pet peeve with the Internet/Computers are the lazy ones who just copy from gedcoms available on the Internet and often times pass on incorrect data. We all know that during our research we find new data that changes our histories, and in many cases the incorrect data continues on into cyberspace because someone was too lazy to do their own research. The LDS site is no better. I found incorrect data regarding my father-in-law and when I contacted the submitter was blasted away by a nasty reply. Never mind that the person in question was my father-in-law, but I had in my files the actual document stating the correct data. The submitter had my in-law sealed into the Mormon church, had them baptisted and a marriage sealed to his first spouse -- a spouse who, in life, he deserted for his second wife! In life, the family belonged to the Luthern Church, and he must be turning over in his grave being sealed to his ex-wife! I don't imagine his first wife would be too pleased either. The second wife, and mother to my late husband, was not mentioned in this person's files. There were three other children fathered by this man and his second wife, and the family line continues with grandchildren and great-grandchildren that may be missed because of this single one submitter. I mean no disrespect to the members of LDS, but this particular case is a perfect example of creating a family history to meet personal needs. Well, I'm off my soapbox. Thanks to all for letting me "vent." Maureen S Cassidy wrote on 9/3/2004, 1:09 PM: > Bravo for you, Joan. > > We have a fairly well known researcher in Ohio who has at the age of > nearly > 80 amassed and published "tons" of work on the Bogardus/Brouwer family > lines > (Adam Brouwer was one of my 10th g-grandfathers/New Amsrerdam 1624). > He has > never used, wanted nor needed a computer. Admittedly that's rare in > this day > and age but it speaks volumes, to me at least. I can't tell from your > addy > where you are located so I have no idea whether or not you've heard of > him, > but it's certainly worth thinking about. > > I also have books in my home library dating back to the 1920's and > thereabouts.....yellowed with age but otherwise intact and certainly > readable. > > Maureen > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Joan L. Asche" <jasche45133@aol.com> > To: <GEN-COMP-TIPS-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, September 03, 2004 6:06 AM > Subject: Re: [Gen-Comp-Tips] WHAT DO WE STORE OUR GOODIES ON. > > > Paper works for me. > > After having just lost all of my data from a computer crash and not > having a working CD ROM or zip drive to back it up -- had I not had a > paper copy I doubt I would still be doing this hobby, and would not have > started over. > > So needless to say, I trust paper. Since none of my family is > interested in being the keeper of family history, I sent a backup copy > to my cousin who is also interested in our family history. She had to > have a paper copy because she doesn't own a computer and has no plan to > purchase one in the future. > > She has done all of her research the old fashioned way and keeps her > family tree written in ball point pen. > > Believe or not, there are a few people in the world who do not own > computers or have internet accesss. > > I have in my possession a photocopy of a serveral page, well-documented > manuscript done several years ago by a now deceased distant relative who > typed all of his research on a old typewriter on paper. > > Since mine is an ongoing and ever growing hobby I update my paper copy > often. What will happen to my research after I am gone is anybody's > guess but I doubt by that time it won't much matter to me anyway. :) > > > > > > > > > Arthur & Stella wrote on 9/3/2004, 3:10 AM: > > > It is not as easy as that Joan. > > > > There is a lot of reports that the paper we now use is acidic > > and only has a life of 10 years likewise the ink we now use. > > I know it will last much longer then that but it is hardly the > > media one would trust with our years of hard work. > > Then we have to get a copy to each of our loved ones. > > > > This is a point that has just come home to me. as I have had > > a very good friend die. & his wife and children are not at all > > interested, in his years of work. > > > > Luckily I was asked to format his drive, so I was able to save > > most of his work. & I got his wife's permission to send his tree > > to the LDS. but what do I do with the rest, until his grandchildren > > come of age? (That is if I am still around then) > > > > Regards Arthur > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Joan L. Asche" <jasche45133@aol.com> > > To: <GEN-COMP-TIPS-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2004 8:56 PM > > Subject: Re: [Gen-Comp-Tips] WHAT DO WE STORE OUR GOODIES ON. > > > > > > > Maybe this sounds stupid but why not paper? > > > > > > Every so often update a hardcopy and store it in binder where the > > family > > > can find it. > > > > > > This way family members not familiar with computer/or the programs I > > use > > > still have access to the family history. > > > > > > Arthur & Stella wrote on 9/1/2004, 7:18 PM: > > > > > > > Thanks for that Teresa. > > > > > > > > I have backed all my data threefold One for each of my adult > > children. > > > > Hoping one survives. But my point is we require some kind of a > > standard. > > > > The problem as I see it, doesn't stop with the dye, there is a > glue > > > > problem. > > > > & we have all heard of exploding CD's, or scratched CD's, or even > > the > > > > programs the data is written on. e.g. I have several files I wrote > > > > back in > > > > the days of ATARI on a long lost program. they are now useless > as I > > can't > > > > read them. > > > > And who says that CD's will be around in 20 years remember the > 5.5" > > > > floppies? how many of us could recover data from them? > > > > > > > > It seems to me we are progressing backwards? (If that makes any > > sense) > > > > I pulled out my grandfathers WW1 paybook the other day, that had > > gone > > > > through the trenches, & who knows what. from 1914. and would you > > believe > > > > it? it is as legible as the day it was written in 1914. & I can't > > even > > > > recover > > > > data I wrote 15 years ago. (Well I could but it would cost me an > > arm & > > a > > > > leg). > > > > We have to think foreword. & make our data as easy for our > > descendents > > to > > > > read as it is for me to pick up granddads paybook. or we are > wasting > > our > > > > time. > > > > > > > > FOOD FOR THOUGHT! > > > > Arthur South Oz > > > > > > > > Ps I am a born pessimist. but I would love to hear some > > alternatives. > > > >

And believe me Maureen there is nothing better then a well written manuscript, but with a hand like mine, one would be thankful for computers. They are the best thing since sliced bread. Yes & I too back every thing up with a hard copy, to my wife's disgust as I have a cupboard full of files. Who says computers saves trees? I often get lost in the forest? <VBG> Regards Arthur ----- Original Message ----- From: "Maureen S Cassidy" <maureen.s.cassidy@worldnet.att.net> To: <GEN-COMP-TIPS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, September 04, 2004 2:39 AM Subject: Re: [Gen-Comp-Tips] WHAT DO WE STORE OUR GOODIES ON. > Bravo for you, Joan. > > We have a fairly well known researcher in Ohio who has at the age of nearly > 80 amassed and published "tons" of work on the Bogardus/Brouwer family lines > (Adam Brouwer was one of my 10th g-grandfathers/New Amsrerdam 1624). He has > never used, wanted nor needed a computer. Admittedly that's rare in this day > and age but it speaks volumes, to me at least. I can't tell from your addy > where you are located so I have no idea whether or not you've heard of him, > but it's certainly worth thinking about. > > I also have books in my home library dating back to the 1920's and > thereabouts.....yellowed with age but otherwise intact and certainly > readable. > > Maureen > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Joan L. Asche" <jasche45133@aol.com> > To: <GEN-COMP-TIPS-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, September 03, 2004 6:06 AM > Subject: Re: [Gen-Comp-Tips] WHAT DO WE STORE OUR GOODIES ON. > > > Paper works for me. > > After having just lost all of my data from a computer crash and not > having a working CD ROM or zip drive to back it up -- had I not had a > paper copy I doubt I would still be doing this hobby, and would not have > started over. > > So needless to say, I trust paper. Since none of my family is > interested in being the keeper of family history, I sent a backup copy > to my cousin who is also interested in our family history. She had to > have a paper copy because she doesn't own a computer and has no plan to > purchase one in the future. > > She has done all of her research the old fashioned way and keeps her > family tree written in ball point pen. > > Believe or not, there are a few people in the world who do not own > computers or have internet accesss. > > I have in my possession a photocopy of a serveral page, well-documented > manuscript done several years ago by a now deceased distant relative who > typed all of his research on a old typewriter on paper. > > Since mine is an ongoing and ever growing hobby I update my paper copy > often. What will happen to my research after I am gone is anybody's > guess but I doubt by that time it won't much matter to me anyway. :) > >