An enlightening summation on the use of EXIF vs IPTC data and I appreciate your input. However, the purpose of my message was to enlighten the knowledge of the majority of list members to the feature that have access to in Windows, believing that they may not have been aware of its existence. This feature is instantly available with a few clicks without the need to resort to any third party application. This makes the task reasonably simple for the average home user. IPTC data requires a third party application to complete its data fields. Applications such as Photoshop, ACDSee Pro 2, ACDSee 10 Photo Manager, and others allow this. There are many applications which will display both EXIF and IPTC data, but will not allow it to be edited in anyway (Picasa2 and Ulead Photo Explorer comes to mind). Some of the major applications, like the first ones mentioned above, will allow "batch" editing of images to add both IPTC and EXIF data. IPTC data does not show by default the technical information saved from the camera in its EXIF file. It has to be added if needed. There would be many members of this list who do not have an application capable of adding IPTC data, but they can access Properties in Windows quite freely, to add to EXIF data already there. As most members of this list are users of one of the versions of Windows, and I am sure most of the people they exchange images with are also Windows users, the EXIF data will be available to those recipients. If they went to the trouble of adding just IPTC data to their images they email as attachments, there would be nothing to show for all their hard work when it is received. The IPTC standard is necessary for photographers and artists dealing with news organizations and is accepted as the standard in those industries. The average member of this list would not, in their lifetime, have dealings with media organizations, I am sure. Even in those organizations, there are different requirements for the IPTC fields. Newspapers may require different fields to say, magazines. Those dealing with news organizations would be well aware of the requirements needed by any they deal with regularly. So, in saying EXIF is "not recommended" (for members of this list I assume) that could be true if the members of this list were all Mac users; sending their attachments only to Mac users; or dealing with news organizations on a regular basis. But, in the world of the genealogist and home computer users who inhabit this list, EXIF data is a readily available way of adding information to their images without a lot of hassles (and no cost). Most would want to keep it that simple, I am sure. -----Original Message----- From: jgen@telus.net Sent: Tue, 25 Mar 2008 19:49:19 -0700 To: gen-comp-tips@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [GEN-COMP-TIPS] Using Metadata to add info to images (was Labelling photos) File Properties, as described below, is a Windows-only feature, not IPTC, in other words it is not a standard way of labeling photos and therefore limited in its application. Also, there's no batch mode as there often is with IPTC, so it's tedious to enter data in large amount of photos. Also, it's not readable in software other than the Windows operating system and apparently Microsoft Word. Not recommended. JL

Hi all, I believe there was talk recently about adding space under photos to add descriptive text into. Sounds like a very good way to keep info to me without writing on the photo itself. Well I have tried on several programs, Photoshop 5, Gimp etc but the only program I have that does it simply is good old PhotoImpact 10. How do you add space under the photo in other programs? Increasing canvas size only seems to alter the size of the photo itself. I must be missing something. Any help appreciated. Ray

File Properties, as described below, is a Windows-only feature, not IPTC, in other words it is not a standard way of labeling photos and therefore limited in its application. Also, there's no batch mode as there often is with IPTC, so it's tedious to enter data in large amount of photos. Also, it's not readable in software other than the Windows operating system and apparently Microsoft Word. Not recommended. JL JLog - simple computer technology for genealogists http://www3.telus.net/Jgen/jlog.html n.east wrote: > People now create large amounts of digital images every day. Frequently those images are shared by transmission over the Internet. Because of this increasing use of digital images, problems arise in the effective use, categorization, cataloging and sharing of these images. > > One way to overcome this is to make use of a feature known as Metadata. Wikipedia has a short article here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metadata [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metadata] which explains metadata. > > Metadata are often generated and included in the image files you create with your camera. Currently, almost all digital cameras generate a standardized set of metadata according to a standard known as Exchange Image File Format (EXIF). Under the EXIF standard, as the image file is created, for example as a ".jpg" or ".tif" file, an EXIF header is appended to the file containing metadata about the image. This metadata may include such items as when the image was created, time it was created, the equipment and settings used, etc. > > How do you find this EXIF information? If you right click any image you have on your computer from your digital camera, then click on Properties, you should be able to find it by clicking on the "Summary" tab at the top of the screen. This will probably display a "Simple" screen showing very little at all. If you click the "Advanced" button down the bottom, it will reveal a screen which will (hopefully) be full of interesting data (metadata in fact), such as that described above. > > Now that data may not be a full description of your image, but the Advanced Summary tab allows you to do a bit of editing. Down the bottom of the Advanced screen you will see the heading "Description", with sub-headings of "Title", "Subject", "Keywords" and "Comments". Below this "Description" section you will see "Origin" with the sub-heading "Author". At first it does not appear that there is anywhere against any of those headings which will allow you to type anything. If you click on the middle of the space out from any one of those sub-folders, this will open a text box against that heading, into which you can type or paste any appropriate text. When you have finished click "Apply" and/or "OK". The information you added is now retained with that image, and will be revealed to anyone when they examine the Properties of that image. > > Metadata is not just confined to images. If you examine the "Summary" tab in "Properties" of say, a Word document you have created, you will see a similar display, but with different headings. > > Admittedly, it does take time to add that additional information to images, but the end results are well worth the effort if you want to preserve vital information. > > ____________________________________________________________ > GET FREE 5GB EMAIL - Check out spam free email with many cool features! > Visit http://www.inbox.com/email to find out more! > > -------------------------------------- > Having trouble with your subscription? Contact the List Admin at gen-comp-tips-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GEN-COMP-TIPS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >

People now create large amounts of digital images every day. Frequently those images are shared by transmission over the Internet. Because of this increasing use of digital images, problems arise in the effective use, categorization, cataloging and sharing of these images. One way to overcome this is to make use of a feature known as Metadata. Wikipedia has a short article here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metadata [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metadata] which explains metadata. Metadata are often generated and included in the image files you create with your camera. Currently, almost all digital cameras generate a standardized set of metadata according to a standard known as Exchange Image File Format (EXIF). Under the EXIF standard, as the image file is created, for example as a ".jpg" or ".tif" file, an EXIF header is appended to the file containing metadata about the image. This metadata may include such items as when the image was created, time it was created, the equipment and settings used, etc. How do you find this EXIF information? If you right click any image you have on your computer from your digital camera, then click on Properties, you should be able to find it by clicking on the "Summary" tab at the top of the screen. This will probably display a "Simple" screen showing very little at all. If you click the "Advanced" button down the bottom, it will reveal a screen which will (hopefully) be full of interesting data (metadata in fact), such as that described above. Now that data may not be a full description of your image, but the Advanced Summary tab allows you to do a bit of editing. Down the bottom of the Advanced screen you will see the heading "Description", with sub-headings of "Title", "Subject", "Keywords" and "Comments". Below this "Description" section you will see "Origin" with the sub-heading "Author". At first it does not appear that there is anywhere against any of those headings which will allow you to type anything. If you click on the middle of the space out from any one of those sub-folders, this will open a text box against that heading, into which you can type or paste any appropriate text. When you have finished click "Apply" and/or "OK". The information you added is now retained with that image, and will be revealed to anyone when they examine the Properties of that image. Metadata is not just confined to images. If you examine the "Summary" tab in "Properties" of say, a Word document you have created, you will see a similar display, but with different headings. Admittedly, it does take time to add that additional information to images, but the end results are well worth the effort if you want to preserve vital information. ____________________________________________________________ GET FREE 5GB EMAIL - Check out spam free email with many cool features! Visit http://www.inbox.com/email to find out more!

I misspoke somewhat about Windows. It only strips out the IPTC if you allow Windows to resize your pictures when you email them. If you mail them at their original size it leaves the IPTC intact. JL JLog - simple computer technology for genealogists http://www3.telus.net/Jgen/jlog.html JLB wrote: > Well, of course printing a photo is killing any digital components, of > which IPTC would be one. But then for printing you have other options > such as writing on the back or underneath in an album. IPTC is the > equivalent of writing on the back of digital pictures. And yes, it's > embedded information and it's not going anywhere except in a couple of > freak cases. One is emailing pictures using Windows. For some darn > reason Windows considers IPTC irrelevant and strips it out when you > email pictures. Writing to CD should be 100% fine. Various photo > viewers handle IPTC differently. XnView reads IPTC on jpg's, tiff's and > psd's but only writes it to jpg's. FastStone Viewer doesn't deal with > it at all, so if you do resizing and renaming of photos with IPTC info > there it will strip it out. Picasa reads IPTC captions and keywords on > jpg's (and maybe tiff's?) It takes some experimenting around with the > smaller programs. There are programs that are more mature with their > options. Adobe is one, Photo Mechanic is another. ACDSee Pro Photo > Manager also. I use MediaDex as it handles IPTC organization of other > types of files besides photographs. I believe you can print photos from > MediaDex that show the IPTC information underneath. I so seldom print > to paper I'm not sure, but I do print to pdf alot and I know it's > possible there, so I think paper would be the same. If you go over to > my website I've written several articles on the subject. Peruse the > index or use the Search box for 'IPTC'. > > JL > JLog - simple computer technology for genealogists > http://www3.telus.net/Jgen/jlog.html > > tcurtisGen wrote: > >> JLB; >> I like your idea. However, what happens with the IPTC standardized >> information when the photo is printed and mailed? Is this information >> embedded in the JPEG, especially when copied to a CD? Just curious. >> >> Enjoy the search! >> Thayne >> >> JLB wrote: >> >> >>> If you want to add a caption under a photo that would, of course, >>> require making a space that would alter the size of the photo overall. >>> The alternative is to embed information, using IPTC, a standard set by >>> the International Press Telecommunications Council. You will find this >>> under File/File Info in Adobe Elements, and various other editors and >>> viewers. It will also accept other information such as keywords and >>> copyright notices. Adobe Elements will work with psd's, tiff's and >>> jpg's. The compatible file-types depend on the software. Most commonly >>> only jpg's. Sometimes jpg's and tiff's. >>> >>> JL >>> JLog - simple computer technology for genealogists >>> http://www3.telus.net/Jgen/jlog.html >>> >>> >> <snip> >> -------------------------------------- >> Having trouble with your subscription? Contact the List Admin at gen-comp-tips-admin@rootsweb.com >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GEN-COMP-TIPS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> >> > > -------------------------------------- > Having trouble with your subscription? Contact the List Admin at gen-comp-tips-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GEN-COMP-TIPS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >

Well, of course printing a photo is killing any digital components, of which IPTC would be one. But then for printing you have other options such as writing on the back or underneath in an album. IPTC is the equivalent of writing on the back of digital pictures. And yes, it's embedded information and it's not going anywhere except in a couple of freak cases. One is emailing pictures using Windows. For some darn reason Windows considers IPTC irrelevant and strips it out when you email pictures. Writing to CD should be 100% fine. Various photo viewers handle IPTC differently. XnView reads IPTC on jpg's, tiff's and psd's but only writes it to jpg's. FastStone Viewer doesn't deal with it at all, so if you do resizing and renaming of photos with IPTC info there it will strip it out. Picasa reads IPTC captions and keywords on jpg's (and maybe tiff's?) It takes some experimenting around with the smaller programs. There are programs that are more mature with their options. Adobe is one, Photo Mechanic is another. ACDSee Pro Photo Manager also. I use MediaDex as it handles IPTC organization of other types of files besides photographs. I believe you can print photos from MediaDex that show the IPTC information underneath. I so seldom print to paper I'm not sure, but I do print to pdf alot and I know it's possible there, so I think paper would be the same. If you go over to my website I've written several articles on the subject. Peruse the index or use the Search box for 'IPTC'. JL JLog - simple computer technology for genealogists http://www3.telus.net/Jgen/jlog.html tcurtisGen wrote: > JLB; > I like your idea. However, what happens with the IPTC standardized > information when the photo is printed and mailed? Is this information > embedded in the JPEG, especially when copied to a CD? Just curious. > > Enjoy the search! > Thayne > > JLB wrote: > >> If you want to add a caption under a photo that would, of course, >> require making a space that would alter the size of the photo overall. >> The alternative is to embed information, using IPTC, a standard set by >> the International Press Telecommunications Council. You will find this >> under File/File Info in Adobe Elements, and various other editors and >> viewers. It will also accept other information such as keywords and >> copyright notices. Adobe Elements will work with psd's, tiff's and >> jpg's. The compatible file-types depend on the software. Most commonly >> only jpg's. Sometimes jpg's and tiff's. >> >> JL >> JLog - simple computer technology for genealogists >> http://www3.telus.net/Jgen/jlog.html >> > <snip> > -------------------------------------- > Having trouble with your subscription? Contact the List Admin at gen-comp-tips-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GEN-COMP-TIPS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >

JLB; I like your idea. However, what happens with the IPTC standardized information when the photo is printed and mailed? Is this information embedded in the JPEG, especially when copied to a CD? Just curious. Enjoy the search! Thayne JLB wrote: > If you want to add a caption under a photo that would, of course, > require making a space that would alter the size of the photo overall. > The alternative is to embed information, using IPTC, a standard set by > the International Press Telecommunications Council. You will find this > under File/File Info in Adobe Elements, and various other editors and > viewers. It will also accept other information such as keywords and > copyright notices. Adobe Elements will work with psd's, tiff's and > jpg's. The compatible file-types depend on the software. Most commonly > only jpg's. Sometimes jpg's and tiff's. > > JL > JLog - simple computer technology for genealogists > http://www3.telus.net/Jgen/jlog.html <snip>

The following instructions are from About.com. Start with Step 3. Hope this does the trick for you. http://graphicssoft.about.com/gi/dynamic/offsite.htm?zi=1/XJ/Ya&sdn=graphics soft&cdn=compute&tm=53&gps=64_1359_1272_675&f=00&su=p284.8.150.ip_&tt=14&bt= 1&bts=0&zu=http%3A//www.arraich.com/elements/pse_hhow1.htm. Judy in Ocala How do I add a border to a picture? 1. If all you want is a skinny black border, go to File > Print Preview. At the bottom of the dialog that appears, click the checkbox next to Show More Options. Click the Border button. Then enter a width. The maximum is .15 inch and the only color is black. 2. If you want a wider border or a different color and don't mind covering part of your image with the border, choose Select > All followed by Edit > Stroke. Enter the width that you want for your border. Click the color square to open the color picker and choose your color. Where it says Location, click the Inside radio button. Then click OK to apply the stroke. Choose Select > Deselect to end the selection. 3. To add a border without covering any of your picture, first set your foreground color to whatever you want to use for your border. Use the Swatches palette, or the color picker. Once you've picked your color, press the X key on your keyboard to make that color your background color (the X key switches your fore and background colors). 4. Enlarge the window around your picture to be larger than the image (so you are seeing background gray between the image and the window frame). Do this by hovering your cursor over the image window's border until you see a double-headed arrow. Then drag the window border to enlarge it. 5. Take the crop tool (in the toolbox) and drag a crop box around your entire image (click above the top left corner of the image and drag beyond the bottom right corner). 6. Press both the Alt and Shift keys and drag down and to the right (outwards) on the bottom right corner handle (the little square you'll see on the corner of the crop box) to enlarge the crop box to the dimensions that you want for your border (the current background color will be added to the enlarged canvas). 7. Click the big check mark on the crop tool's options bar to accept the enlarged canvas. 8. The added canvas will, of course, enlarge your image dimensions. If you don't want this, go to Image > Resize > Image Size after you've added the border, and follow the directions given on this page for resizing. -----Original Message----- From: gen-comp-tips-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:gen-comp-tips-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of ray risely Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2008 9:11 AM To: Gen-Comp-Tips@Rootsweb. Com Subject: [GEN-COMP-TIPS] Labelling photos Hi all, I believe there was talk recently about adding space under photos to add descriptive text into. Sounds like a very good way to keep info to me without writing on the photo itself. Well I have tried on several programs, Photoshop 5, Gimp etc but the only program I have that does it simply is good old PhotoImpact 10. How do you add space under the photo in other programs? Increasing canvas size only seems to alter the size of the photo itself. I must be missing something. Any help appreciated. Ray -------------------------------------- Having trouble with your subscription? Contact the List Admin at gen-comp-tips-admin@rootsweb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GEN-COMP-TIPS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

If you want to add a caption under a photo that would, of course, require making a space that would alter the size of the photo overall. The alternative is to embed information, using IPTC, a standard set by the International Press Telecommunications Council. You will find this under File/File Info in Adobe Elements, and various other editors and viewers. It will also accept other information such as keywords and copyright notices. Adobe Elements will work with psd's, tiff's and jpg's. The compatible file-types depend on the software. Most commonly only jpg's. Sometimes jpg's and tiff's. JL JLog - simple computer technology for genealogists http://www3.telus.net/Jgen/jlog.html ray risely wrote: > Hi all, > > I believe there was talk recently about adding space under photos to add > descriptive text into. > Sounds like a very good way to keep info to me without writing on the photo > itself. > Well I have tried on several programs, Photoshop 5, Gimp etc but the only > program I have that does it simply is good old PhotoImpact 10. > How do you add space under the photo in other programs? Increasing canvas > size only seems to alter the size of the photo itself. > I must be missing something. > Any help appreciated. > > Ray > > -------------------------------------- > Having trouble with your subscription? Contact the List Admin at gen-comp-tips-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GEN-COMP-TIPS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >

All The next meeting of the Oxfordshire Family History Society will take place on Monday 31 March 2008 at the usual venue at Exeter Hall, Oxford Road, Kidlington, Oxford OX5 1AB. Doors open at 7.15 pm for coffee, help with both genealogy and computers, and the bookstall, exchange journals and the library. The subject of the talk is :- "Get the picture? A demonstration of how to take good images of archive materials using digital cameras. This talk will be presented by Hugh Alexander. Hugh has a most illustrious CV, having been a Reuters photographer in Israel from 1969 to 1979, and having been UPITN Television News Producer in Israel from 1969 to 1982. Subsequently, Hugh has worked as a freelance photographer and as Deputy Manager of the Image Library at The National Archives, a post that he still holds. All members, potential members and their guests are welcome. The speaker has expressly requested that any attendee who owns a digital camera bring it with them to the meeting - along with the instruction manual. For directions as to how to get to the Exeter Hall, please see :- _http://www.ofhs.org.uk/ExeterHall.html_ (http://www.ofhs.org.uk/ExeterHall.html) For a list of future OFHS meetings, please see :- _http://www.ofhs.org.uk/meetings.html_ (http://www.ofhs.org.uk/meetings.html) Any queries, please contact me off-list. Paul Gaskell Publicity Officer Oxfordshire Family History Society Website : _www.ofhs.org.uk_ (http://www.ofhs.org.uk/)

Hi again I would be very surprised if there were not an update for your Motorola software or an alternative at least Mind you it might be worth keeping quiet if hubby is going to get you a new phone <g> Best wishes Nivard Ovington, in Cornwall (UK) > I spoke too soon! I have a Motorola V3 mobile 'phone. The software > which > came with this won't allow me to upload my photo's to the P.C. > > I have checked the website but nothing works. (I've told my husband that > I > want a new 'phone :-)) > > Cheers, > > Helen. > LUCKING one name study.

Hi again Thanks for the update Always worth knowing, forewarned is forearmed and all that Best wishes Nivard Ovington, in Cornwall (UK) > > Incidentally are there any other programs you have had trouble with? > > Best wishes Nivard Ovington, in Cornwall (UK) > > > > > I haven't loaded all programmes yet! The 1881 British Census loaded - > after about the fourth attempt. > > Generations GS is working fine although I did lose my (then) current > database. I had it stored on another hard disk and everything else came > across > okay. I was able to use a recent Gedcom which I had sent to somebody > else and so > restore it. > > Cheers, > > Helen. > LUCKING one name study.

You are most welcome Not had to take the Vista plunge as yet, although will do so soon as I need to get a new laptop soon Despite its denigrators I believe its the way to go Good luck Incidentally are there any other programs you have had trouble with? Best wishes Nivard Ovington, in Cornwall (UK) > Thank you very much, Nivard. It is working fine now. I'm gradually > getting used to Vista :-)) > > Cheers, > > Helen. > LUCKING one name study.

Hi Helen A quick google finds :- http://www.ffhs.org.uk/projects/nbi/nbi-vista.php Best wishes Nivard Ovington, in Cornwall (UK) >I have a new DELL Inspiron computer which is running Vista. > > I cannot install the National Burial Index (2nd edition). > > The following messages pop up: > > Network initialization failed. File or directory does not exist. > File: C:\PDOXUSRS.NET Permission denied. Directory: C:\. > > > and Problem opening SFinal.db > > > Can anyone help me, please? > > Thanks for any help you can give me. > > Cheers, > > Helen. > LUCKING one name study.

In a message dated 24/03/2008 14:06:24 GMT Standard Time, PaulGask@aol.com writes: Bear in mind too that there's a Generations list on Rootsweb - if you look in the list archives, there should be some posts about running the program under Vista. Thanks Paul, I do belong to the Generations List. My problem is rather different. Last December my old (3 years) computer started playing up. It went away for repair and came back working okay. We dragged and dropped the Generations files across and (we thought) everything had moved over okay. The file which I always used came across as a 'shortcut'. The shortcut was on the desktop and this worked perfectly. In February the computer played up again and my husband bought me a new one. Everything had been backed up to the second hard drive. This time the 'shortcut' file had nothing in it. I have reverted to a Gedcom which I had sent to somebody else last year. I have renamed this file and it seems to be working fine. Possibly the 'shortcut' file connected to the actual file on XP but doesn't seem to on Vista. Thanks for your input. Cheers, Helen. LUCKING one name study.

I am way behind on email so this is a delayed reply. What is right with scanning, labeling and sorting photos depends on the person and what you are happy with, as long as you can find what you are looking for and the who, when and such is detailed. Here's what I do: As I have full photos with a lot of people and then scanned enlarged crops from them to individual people also done from those, I found a dual system works. I copy from one to make the other. These are all under one folder named PHOTOS. 1. I have the scans in family groups (full photos and crops). I use the last name, the year and location as a main label. If there's ten men in the photo from the family, as an example, how can you put a first name on it?!!! This also allows me to keep events with multi events grouped. Examples of folder labels (a subfolder): SMITH 1920 Denver, Colorado (I don't like abbreviations). SMITH 1920 Denver, Colorado WEDDING of John 1888-1946 2. I also have a folder sorted by dates for each photo, all grouped in one folder for all names. It makes a nice time line visual and an easy to find visual if looking at thumbnails. For women, I will list the maiden name and the married name such as JONES - SMITH. I do NOT put the Jones as (Jones) as then they can lay oddly. Example of folder label (a subfolder under 'Photos'): PHOTOS by Year. The contents reflects the year, last name, first name, birth year, death year. A photo label would read (example): 1901 JONES - SMITH, Mary 1877-1924. The end result is ONE main photo folder with TWO subfolders. Another note: When I do a scan, I also put enough room UNDER (open space) the photo to allow full details to be added TO the photo, under the photo, with my software. That way I know the information IS with the photo and I add all types of info known concerning the photo and its contents. When printing, that can be cropped out for the printing. It is never removed from the original. When scanning I save the photo first in case I want to add or change something. I do save those - so in my case I have a THIRD subfolder titled 'Photos, BLANK Space, No Words'. The description and info for each is only with the photo label. ..... In this folder is actually TWO scans. One is the original size in high resolution and one is enlarged with very high resolution to allow for enlargements on some tiny ones and also for photos where you can barely make out faces (like in many group photos). I also scan the black and whites in color. Software can adjust to black and white for printing if wanted but I find clarity better in color. Some black and whites I have scanned both ways. Now a trick I use: I put all info into a Word Document which then also checks for spelling errors. From that, it is copied to the photo info added into the blank space I allow. The Word Document is then saved in the BLANK word photos folder. So in subfolder #3 under the main PHOTOS label are my blanks in two sizes (at least) for each photo that I have saved along with the Word Documents. The Word Document label would read as shown below (1901 JONES, Mary 1884). A photo label would read: 1901 JONES, Mary 1884 NoWords x 400% 600Res which means scanned 4 times the original size with 600DPI Resolution. I also have two giant external drives as two backups and DVD back ups too. Over kill? It all works for me. -----Original Message----- From: gen-comp-tips-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:gen-comp-tips-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of marsha moses Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2008 11:39 AM To: gen-comp-tips@rootsweb.com Subject: [GEN-COMP-TIPS] Photos I am getting ready to help my mom and dad with their new Vista computer. What is the best way to organize photos on this computer system? I will be scanning old photos as well as organizing new photos....we are talking about MANY generations of photos .....Marsha in WV No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.21.8/1340 - Release Date: 3/23/2008 6:50 PM

In a message dated 24/03/2008 13:18:39 GMT Standard Time, TootsFolly@aol.com writes: Generations GS is working fine although I did lose my (then) current database. I had it stored on another hard disk and everything else came across okay. I was able to use a recent Gedcom which I had sent to somebody else and so restore it. Helen That's probably because Generations stores your data files in folders within the program rather than in "My Documents". If you need any help in finding them, I could post a step-by-step guide. That's an important point too when backing up your computer - if you simply copy "My Documents", "My Pictures" and so on, you won't be backing up your Generations data files. Bear in mind too that there's a Generations list on Rootsweb - if you look in the list archives, there should be some posts about running the program under Vista. Best wishes. Paul Gaskell Publicity Officer / Programme Secretary / Bookstall Manager Oxfordshire Family History Society Website : _www.ofhs.org.uk_ (http://www.ofhs.org.uk)

In a message dated 24/03/2008 13:22:52 GMT Standard Time, ovington1@sky.com writes: Thanks for the update Always worth knowing, forewarned is forearmed and all that I spoke too soon! I have a Motorola V3 mobile 'phone. The software which came with this won't allow me to upload my photo's to the P.C. I have checked the website but nothing works. (I've told my husband that I want a new 'phone :-)) Cheers, Helen. LUCKING one name study.

In a message dated 24/03/2008 13:08:17 GMT Standard Time, ovington1@sky.com writes: Incidentally are there any other programs you have had trouble with? Best wishes Nivard Ovington, in Cornwall (UK) I haven't loaded all programmes yet! The 1881 British Census loaded - after about the fourth attempt. Generations GS is working fine although I did lose my (then) current database. I had it stored on another hard disk and everything else came across okay. I was able to use a recent Gedcom which I had sent to somebody else and so restore it. Cheers, Helen. LUCKING one name study.

In a message dated 24/03/2008 12:29:50 GMT Standard Time, ovington1@sky.com writes: Hi Helen A quick google finds :- http://www.ffhs.org.uk/projects/nbi/nbi-vista.php Best wishes Nivard Ovington, in Cornwall (UK) Thank you very much, Nivard. It is working fine now. I'm gradually getting used to Vista :-)) Cheers, Helen. LUCKING one name study.