Judy wrote: > Dennis said >>I think that all computer systems sort is this manner, it is certainly the way sorting works for most databases. One way is to use leading zeros on your file names. For example, F-0001 . . . .<< > > Well computers will sort the way they are told to. Microsoft code is telling Windows Explorer to sort in this way. > > I can take advantage of an option in spreadsheet programs to sort in a normal way so I do not have to *label* a number "1" as "0001". Some genealogical tree-type software, not confined to Microsoft code, will sort Family numbers and Individual numbers as real-world normal without requiring the tags or place-holders. > > It is very disappointing not to be able to make WinExplorer do the same. > > But thank you for the suggestions. > > Cheers, > Judy > > <snip> > Judy; Let me see... I'm going to try and explain this sorting without making everyone mad. (And please remember, this is my understanding, and I might need to be educated <g>). I don't believe this issue is relative to Microsoft code. Other genealogy programs have the same issue, they just 'display' things so that everything appears correct to our human eyes. I believe the PC, i.e., Windows (all versions) use ASCII characters in filenames and thus sort using those characters. Your spreadsheet program uses numbers in the cells, not ASCII characters. I know, they both look the same, but in the world of computers they are not. For example, the number 1 for computers is 1, but the ASCII representation of '1' has a numeric value of 31. So if I was sorting numbers 1 - 15 they would look like this: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 When I sort the same ASCII characters, they use these numbers (remember ASCII '1' is numeric 31) and you would expect to see: ASCII '1' = numeric 31 ASCII '2' = numeric 32 ASCII '3' = numeric 33 ASCII '4' = numeric 34 ASCII '5' = numeric 35 ASCII '6' = numeric 36 ASCII '7' = numeric 37 ASCII '8' = numeric 38 ASCII '9' = numeric 39 ASCII '10' = numeric 31 & 30 (yes, there are two digits) ASCII '11' = numeric 31 & 31 ASCII '12' = numeric 31 & 32 ASCII '13' = numeric 31 & 33 ASCII '14' = numeric 31 & 34 ASCII '15' = numeric 31 & 35 ... so if I sort the numbers, not the ASCII representations, I really get: 31 31 30 31 31 31 32 31 33 31 34 31 35 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 ... or ASCII '1' ASCII '10' ASCII '11' ASCII '12' ASCII '13' ASCII '14' ASCII '15' ASCII '2' ASCII '3' ASCII '4' ASCII '5' ASCII '6' ASCII '7' ASCII '8' ASCII '9' ... does this help? I'm not a mathematician, but I have made a good living getting computers to do what I tell them (which by the way may not be what I want <g>). Note: I purposely left out the discussion about hex and binary (geek words). If someone else can explain this better, have at it. I hope that now we have a better understanding as to why Windows Explorer as well as other genealogy programs sort one way (ASCII representation) and a spreadsheet program (numbers) sorts another. -- Enjoy the Search! Thayne
I am not sure it is the saving program's fault. It could be that the sub-folder is write protected or the file itself. (Write protected and Read only are the same things, just said by people with different memory spans.) Either way, right click on the file or folder and choose Properties, If there is a check mark in the Hidden box, click the box to make it go away. Then load the file. By the way: Files sent to CDs are automatically write protected, files sent to flash memory drives are not and can be edited there on the flash drive. If you copy a file from a CD to your hard drive, it will still be write protected until you remove the read only attribute. Alfred D. Eller http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adelr/index.htm ======================================= Janet Heck wrote: > Hi Dennis, > > Thank you for responding to my request for help. I am able to create a document, save it on my flash drive - bring it up again from the flash drive, edit it and save it to the flash drive just as if I were using my hard drive. That is why I was so surprised when I got the message about it being a read-only file. I have never had that happen before. However, I am going to use a different program so I don't have to worry about it any more. > > Thank you again for responding to my post. > Janet
Hi Dennis, Thank you for responding to my request for help. I am able to create a document, save it on my flash drive - bring it up again from the flash drive, edit it and save it to the flash drive just as if I were using my hard drive. That is why I was so surprised when I got the message about it being a read-only file. I have never had that happen before. However, I am going to use a different program so I don't have to worry about it any more. Thank you again for responding to my post. Janet ----- Original Message ----- From: Dennis Turner To: gen-comp-tips@rootsweb.com Sent: Saturday, May 03, 2008 3:21 AM Subject: Re: [GEN-COMP-TIPS] Need a bit of help Hi Janet Apologies in advance if I have misunderstood your message but it is possible to edit and save files or documents on flash/thumb drives with a copy (using the same file name) of the file on the computer's hard drive or with the master file on the computer hard drive and a copy of the file/document (using the same file name) on a flash drive. In all cases it is important that the read only attribute (found in the file properties) on the main or original file is not ticked. If the attribute is ticked, deselect the tick, apply the change and click OK. To summarise. 1. The main or master copy on main computer can be edited and copied to flash drive. 2. The copy on the flash drive can be edited either on the main computer or another computer (with the appropriate program installed) and copied to the main computer. The above also applies if the master copy is on the flash drive. If this helps I would be happy to post a step by step guide to the procedure. RecumbentDennis in Chester UK ----- Original Message ----- From: "Janet Heck" <geheck@embarqmail.com> To: <gen-comp-tips@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, May 02, 2008 11:04 PM Subject: Re: [GEN-COMP-TIPS] Need a bit of help > Thank you for replying to my post. With every other document I have saved > to the "flash" drive I have been able to bring it up and make changes and > save the changes in the document to the same file name. However, when my > regular r/w drive - when it says read only I cannot make changes. I have > never had this happen before. At any rate, thank you for responding. I > appreciate your help. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: raking.leaves2@gmail.com > To: gen-comp-tips@rootsweb.com > Sent: Friday, May 02, 2008 4:14 PM > Subject: Re: [GEN-COMP-TIPS] Need a bit of help > > > Hi Janet > I have not had any experience with flash drives, but I would have to say > that anything you put on it is "read only". You have to copy it back to > your > hard drive to make changes (you may need to right click on the name of > file > [before opening it] and select properties and uncheck "read only" in the > attributes box and click apply), then re-save it to the flash with a new > name or add a number to the first one. > > Helen > > > -----Original Message----- > From: gen-comp-tips-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:gen-comp-tips-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Janet Heck > Sent: Friday, May 02, 2008 1:46 PM > To: Computer Tips List > Subject: [GEN-COMP-TIPS] Need a bit of help > > I am trying to put a recipe book together for our family and wonder if > anyone out there can help me. I am using Microsoft word and have found > the > directions on how to create a folded booklet. But when I tried to save > it > to my flash drive, I got a message that it would be saved as a read only > file. I don't want this as I may have to make some changes as I go > along. > Got any suggestions. > > I can be reached at geheck@embarqmail.com > > Janet Heck -------------------------------------- Having trouble with your subscription? Contact the List Admin at gen-comp-tips-admin@rootsweb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GEN-COMP-TIPS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Dennis said >>I think that all computer systems sort is this manner, it is certainly the way sorting works for most databases. One way is to use leading zeros on your file names. For example, F-0001 . . . .<< Well computers will sort the way they are told to. Microsoft code is telling Windows Explorer to sort in this way. I can take advantage of an option in spreadsheet programs to sort in a normal way so I do not have to *label* a number "1" as "0001". Some genealogical tree-type software, not confined to Microsoft code, will sort Family numbers and Individual numbers as real-world normal without requiring the tags or place-holders. It is very disappointing not to be able to make WinExplorer do the same. But thank you for the suggestions. Cheers, Judy --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now.
Judy I think that all computer systems sort is this manner, it is certainly the way sorting works for most databases. One way is to use leading zeros on your file names. For example, F-0001 ............F-0118. It unfortunately means that all your files have to be re-named.((;-( RecumbentDennis in Chester UK ----- Original Message ----- From: "Judy" <frostfree12@yahoo.com> To: <GEN-COMP-TIPS@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, May 03, 2008 1:00 AM Subject: [GEN-COMP-TIPS] Getting filenames to display in actual numericorder - help please! > One of the Stupid Microsoft Tricks is on me. I cannot get alphanumeric > filenames to display in numerical order. > > For example, I keep some files and file folders on persons and families > that have gedcom-type program numbers. > > So Families I have numbered similarly to F-1, F-2, etc. within surname > group. This is fine for F-1 through F-99. But beginning with F-100, > Windows displays F-100 through F-109 above F-10, F-110-F119 above F-11 . . > . and so forth. > > This is driving me nuts. It gets purely nonsensensical with higher > numbers. > > How can I get Windows to display these files or folders in actual > alphanumeric order? > > I am running Win98ME with normal Windows Explorer. > > Any help most gratefully received. > > Thanks, > Judy
Hi Janet Apologies in advance if I have misunderstood your message but it is possible to edit and save files or documents on flash/thumb drives with a copy (using the same file name) of the file on the computer's hard drive or with the master file on the computer hard drive and a copy of the file/document (using the same file name) on a flash drive. In all cases it is important that the read only attribute (found in the file properties) on the main or original file is not ticked. If the attribute is ticked, deselect the tick, apply the change and click OK. To summarise. 1. The main or master copy on main computer can be edited and copied to flash drive. 2. The copy on the flash drive can be edited either on the main computer or another computer (with the appropriate program installed) and copied to the main computer. The above also applies if the master copy is on the flash drive. If this helps I would be happy to post a step by step guide to the procedure. RecumbentDennis in Chester UK ----- Original Message ----- From: "Janet Heck" <geheck@embarqmail.com> To: <gen-comp-tips@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, May 02, 2008 11:04 PM Subject: Re: [GEN-COMP-TIPS] Need a bit of help > Thank you for replying to my post. With every other document I have saved > to the "flash" drive I have been able to bring it up and make changes and > save the changes in the document to the same file name. However, when my > regular r/w drive - when it says read only I cannot make changes. I have > never had this happen before. At any rate, thank you for responding. I > appreciate your help. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: raking.leaves2@gmail.com > To: gen-comp-tips@rootsweb.com > Sent: Friday, May 02, 2008 4:14 PM > Subject: Re: [GEN-COMP-TIPS] Need a bit of help > > > Hi Janet > I have not had any experience with flash drives, but I would have to say > that anything you put on it is "read only". You have to copy it back to > your > hard drive to make changes (you may need to right click on the name of > file > [before opening it] and select properties and uncheck "read only" in the > attributes box and click apply), then re-save it to the flash with a new > name or add a number to the first one. > > Helen > > > -----Original Message----- > From: gen-comp-tips-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:gen-comp-tips-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Janet Heck > Sent: Friday, May 02, 2008 1:46 PM > To: Computer Tips List > Subject: [GEN-COMP-TIPS] Need a bit of help > > I am trying to put a recipe book together for our family and wonder if > anyone out there can help me. I am using Microsoft word and have found > the > directions on how to create a folded booklet. But when I tried to save > it > to my flash drive, I got a message that it would be saved as a read only > file. I don't want this as I may have to make some changes as I go > along. > Got any suggestions. > > I can be reached at geheck@embarqmail.com > > Janet Heck
The cure is rather simple. You need to start the numbering either F001 or F0001. If you think you'll have over 1,000 files with an 'F', go to the F0001. If you think you'll have over 10,000 names, go to F00001. -----Original Message----- From: gen-comp-tips-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:gen-comp-tips-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Judy Sent: Friday, May 02, 2008 8:00 PM To: GEN-COMP-TIPS@rootsweb.com Subject: [GEN-COMP-TIPS] Getting filenames to display in actual numericorder - help please! One of the Stupid Microsoft Tricks is on me. I cannot get alphanumeric filenames to display in numerical order. For example, I keep some files and file folders on persons and families that have gedcom-type program numbers. So Families I have numbered similarly to F-1, F-2, etc. within surname group. This is fine for F-1 through F-99. But beginning with F-100, Windows displays F-100 through F-109 above F-10, F-110-F119 above F-11 . . . and so forth. This is driving me nuts. It gets purely nonsensensical with higher numbers. How can I get Windows to display these files or folders in actual alphanumeric order? I am running Win98ME with normal Windows Explorer. Any help most gratefully received. Thanks, Judy No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.7/1410 - Release Date: 5/1/2008 5:30 PM
I thought that may be it. ----- Original Message ----- From: Jan To: Sue Carpenter ; gen-comp-tips@rootsweb.com Sent: Friday, May 02, 2008 6:00 PM Subject: Re: [GEN-COMP-TIPS] Need a bit of help Flash drive and thumb drive are the same thing. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sue Carpenter" <spcarpenter5468@gmail.com> To: <gen-comp-tips@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, May 02, 2008 4:57 PM Subject: Re: [GEN-COMP-TIPS] Need a bit of help >I know can save to the thumb drive the same as any other drive. I don't > know what you are calling a "flash drive". You would not be able to save > it > if is a "read only" file. > spc > > > Sue > spcarpenter5468@gmail.com > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <raking.leaves2@gmail.com> > To: <gen-comp-tips@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, May 02, 2008 4:14 PM > Subject: Re: [GEN-COMP-TIPS] Need a bit of help > > > Hi Janet > I have not had any experience with flash drives, but I would have to say > that anything you put on it is "read only". You have to copy it back to > your > hard drive to make changes (you may need to right click on the name of > file > [before opening it] and select properties and uncheck "read only" in the > attributes box and click apply), then re-save it to the flash with a new > name or add a number to the first one. > > Helen > > > -----Original Message----- > From: gen-comp-tips-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:gen-comp-tips-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Janet Heck > Sent: Friday, May 02, 2008 1:46 PM > To: Computer Tips List > Subject: [GEN-COMP-TIPS] Need a bit of help > > I am trying to put a recipe book together for our family and wonder if > anyone out there can help me. I am using Microsoft word and have found > the > directions on how to create a folded booklet. But when I tried to save it > to my flash drive, I got a message that it would be saved as a read only > file. I don't want this as I may have to make some changes as I go along. > Got any suggestions. > > I can be reached at geheck@embarqmail.com > > Janet Heck > Live your live in such a way that when you feet hit > the floor in the morning, Satan shudders & says > "Oh, no......she's awake"!! > -------------------------------------- > Having trouble with your subscription? Contact the List Admin at > gen-comp-tips-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GEN-COMP-TIPS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > -------------------------------------- > Having trouble with your subscription? Contact the List Admin at > gen-comp-tips-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GEN-COMP-TIPS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > -------------------------------------- > Having trouble with your subscription? Contact the List Admin at > gen-comp-tips-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GEN-COMP-TIPS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message -------------------------------------- Having trouble with your subscription? Contact the List Admin at gen-comp-tips-admin@rootsweb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GEN-COMP-TIPS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Thank you for replying to my post. My "flash drive" is a small drive that I can carry with me and use on any computer that has Microsoft Word. I am able to save to it, bring the document back up, make changes and save again to the same file. This is the first time I have had the message that it is a read-only file. Thanks for responding, I appreciate your help. ----- Original Message ----- From: Sue Carpenter To: gen-comp-tips@rootsweb.com Sent: Friday, May 02, 2008 4:57 PM Subject: Re: [GEN-COMP-TIPS] Need a bit of help I know can save to the thumb drive the same as any other drive. I don't know what you are calling a "flash drive". You would not be able to save it if is a "read only" file. spc Sue spcarpenter5468@gmail.com ----- Original Message ----- From: <raking.leaves2@gmail.com> To: <gen-comp-tips@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, May 02, 2008 4:14 PM Subject: Re: [GEN-COMP-TIPS] Need a bit of help Hi Janet I have not had any experience with flash drives, but I would have to say that anything you put on it is "read only". You have to copy it back to your hard drive to make changes (you may need to right click on the name of file [before opening it] and select properties and uncheck "read only" in the attributes box and click apply), then re-save it to the flash with a new name or add a number to the first one. Helen -----Original Message----- From: gen-comp-tips-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:gen-comp-tips-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Janet Heck Sent: Friday, May 02, 2008 1:46 PM To: Computer Tips List Subject: [GEN-COMP-TIPS] Need a bit of help I am trying to put a recipe book together for our family and wonder if anyone out there can help me. I am using Microsoft word and have found the directions on how to create a folded booklet. But when I tried to save it to my flash drive, I got a message that it would be saved as a read only file. I don't want this as I may have to make some changes as I go along. Got any suggestions. I can be reached at geheck@embarqmail.com Janet Heck Live your live in such a way that when you feet hit the floor in the morning, Satan shudders & says "Oh, no......she's awake"!! -------------------------------------- Having trouble with your subscription? Contact the List Admin at gen-comp-tips-admin@rootsweb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GEN-COMP-TIPS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -------------------------------------- Having trouble with your subscription? Contact the List Admin at gen-comp-tips-admin@rootsweb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GEN-COMP-TIPS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -------------------------------------- Having trouble with your subscription? Contact the List Admin at gen-comp-tips-admin@rootsweb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GEN-COMP-TIPS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Thank you for replying to my post. With every other document I have saved to the "flash" drive I have been able to bring it up and make changes and save the changes in the document to the same file name. However, when my regular r/w drive - when it says read only I cannot make changes. I have never had this happen before. At any rate, thank you for responding. I appreciate your help. ----- Original Message ----- From: raking.leaves2@gmail.com To: gen-comp-tips@rootsweb.com Sent: Friday, May 02, 2008 4:14 PM Subject: Re: [GEN-COMP-TIPS] Need a bit of help Hi Janet I have not had any experience with flash drives, but I would have to say that anything you put on it is "read only". You have to copy it back to your hard drive to make changes (you may need to right click on the name of file [before opening it] and select properties and uncheck "read only" in the attributes box and click apply), then re-save it to the flash with a new name or add a number to the first one. Helen -----Original Message----- From: gen-comp-tips-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:gen-comp-tips-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Janet Heck Sent: Friday, May 02, 2008 1:46 PM To: Computer Tips List Subject: [GEN-COMP-TIPS] Need a bit of help I am trying to put a recipe book together for our family and wonder if anyone out there can help me. I am using Microsoft word and have found the directions on how to create a folded booklet. But when I tried to save it to my flash drive, I got a message that it would be saved as a read only file. I don't want this as I may have to make some changes as I go along. Got any suggestions. I can be reached at geheck@embarqmail.com Janet Heck Live your live in such a way that when you feet hit the floor in the morning, Satan shudders & says "Oh, no......she's awake"!! -------------------------------------- Having trouble with your subscription? Contact the List Admin at gen-comp-tips-admin@rootsweb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GEN-COMP-TIPS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -------------------------------------- Having trouble with your subscription? Contact the List Admin at gen-comp-tips-admin@rootsweb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GEN-COMP-TIPS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Flash drive and thumb drive are the same thing. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sue Carpenter" <spcarpenter5468@gmail.com> To: <gen-comp-tips@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, May 02, 2008 4:57 PM Subject: Re: [GEN-COMP-TIPS] Need a bit of help >I know can save to the thumb drive the same as any other drive. I don't > know what you are calling a "flash drive". You would not be able to save > it > if is a "read only" file. > spc > > > Sue > spcarpenter5468@gmail.com > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <raking.leaves2@gmail.com> > To: <gen-comp-tips@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, May 02, 2008 4:14 PM > Subject: Re: [GEN-COMP-TIPS] Need a bit of help > > > Hi Janet > I have not had any experience with flash drives, but I would have to say > that anything you put on it is "read only". You have to copy it back to > your > hard drive to make changes (you may need to right click on the name of > file > [before opening it] and select properties and uncheck "read only" in the > attributes box and click apply), then re-save it to the flash with a new > name or add a number to the first one. > > Helen > > > -----Original Message----- > From: gen-comp-tips-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:gen-comp-tips-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Janet Heck > Sent: Friday, May 02, 2008 1:46 PM > To: Computer Tips List > Subject: [GEN-COMP-TIPS] Need a bit of help > > I am trying to put a recipe book together for our family and wonder if > anyone out there can help me. I am using Microsoft word and have found > the > directions on how to create a folded booklet. But when I tried to save it > to my flash drive, I got a message that it would be saved as a read only > file. I don't want this as I may have to make some changes as I go along. > Got any suggestions. > > I can be reached at geheck@embarqmail.com > > Janet Heck > Live your live in such a way that when you feet hit > the floor in the morning, Satan shudders & says > "Oh, no......she's awake"!! > -------------------------------------- > Having trouble with your subscription? Contact the List Admin at > gen-comp-tips-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GEN-COMP-TIPS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > -------------------------------------- > Having trouble with your subscription? Contact the List Admin at > gen-comp-tips-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GEN-COMP-TIPS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > -------------------------------------- > Having trouble with your subscription? Contact the List Admin at > gen-comp-tips-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GEN-COMP-TIPS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message
One of the Stupid Microsoft Tricks is on me. I cannot get alphanumeric filenames to display in numerical order. For example, I keep some files and file folders on persons and families that have gedcom-type program numbers. So Families I have numbered similarly to F-1, F-2, etc. within surname group. This is fine for F-1 through F-99. But beginning with F-100, Windows displays F-100 through F-109 above F-10, F-110-F119 above F-11 . . . and so forth. This is driving me nuts. It gets purely nonsensensical with higher numbers. How can I get Windows to display these files or folders in actual alphanumeric order? I am running Win98ME with normal Windows Explorer. Any help most gratefully received. Thanks, Judy --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now.
I know can save to the thumb drive the same as any other drive. I don't know what you are calling a "flash drive". You would not be able to save it if is a "read only" file. spc Sue spcarpenter5468@gmail.com ----- Original Message ----- From: <raking.leaves2@gmail.com> To: <gen-comp-tips@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, May 02, 2008 4:14 PM Subject: Re: [GEN-COMP-TIPS] Need a bit of help Hi Janet I have not had any experience with flash drives, but I would have to say that anything you put on it is "read only". You have to copy it back to your hard drive to make changes (you may need to right click on the name of file [before opening it] and select properties and uncheck "read only" in the attributes box and click apply), then re-save it to the flash with a new name or add a number to the first one. Helen -----Original Message----- From: gen-comp-tips-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:gen-comp-tips-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Janet Heck Sent: Friday, May 02, 2008 1:46 PM To: Computer Tips List Subject: [GEN-COMP-TIPS] Need a bit of help I am trying to put a recipe book together for our family and wonder if anyone out there can help me. I am using Microsoft word and have found the directions on how to create a folded booklet. But when I tried to save it to my flash drive, I got a message that it would be saved as a read only file. I don't want this as I may have to make some changes as I go along. Got any suggestions. I can be reached at geheck@embarqmail.com Janet Heck Live your live in such a way that when you feet hit the floor in the morning, Satan shudders & says "Oh, no......she's awake"!! -------------------------------------- Having trouble with your subscription? Contact the List Admin at gen-comp-tips-admin@rootsweb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GEN-COMP-TIPS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -------------------------------------- Having trouble with your subscription? Contact the List Admin at gen-comp-tips-admin@rootsweb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GEN-COMP-TIPS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Hi Janet I have not had any experience with flash drives, but I would have to say that anything you put on it is "read only". You have to copy it back to your hard drive to make changes (you may need to right click on the name of file [before opening it] and select properties and uncheck "read only" in the attributes box and click apply), then re-save it to the flash with a new name or add a number to the first one. Helen -----Original Message----- From: gen-comp-tips-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:gen-comp-tips-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Janet Heck Sent: Friday, May 02, 2008 1:46 PM To: Computer Tips List Subject: [GEN-COMP-TIPS] Need a bit of help I am trying to put a recipe book together for our family and wonder if anyone out there can help me. I am using Microsoft word and have found the directions on how to create a folded booklet. But when I tried to save it to my flash drive, I got a message that it would be saved as a read only file. I don't want this as I may have to make some changes as I go along. Got any suggestions. I can be reached at geheck@embarqmail.com Janet Heck Live your live in such a way that when you feet hit the floor in the morning, Satan shudders & says "Oh, no......she's awake"!! -------------------------------------- Having trouble with your subscription? Contact the List Admin at gen-comp-tips-admin@rootsweb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GEN-COMP-TIPS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
I am trying to put a recipe book together for our family and wonder if anyone out there can help me. I am using Microsoft word and have found the directions on how to create a folded booklet. But when I tried to save it to my flash drive, I got a message that it would be saved as a read only file. I don't want this as I may have to make some changes as I go along. Got any suggestions. I can be reached at geheck@embarqmail.com Janet Heck Live your live in such a way that when you feet hit the floor in the morning, Satan shudders & says "Oh, no......she's awake"!!
The old writing on the back of photos: AGREED !!!! -----Original Message----- From: gen-comp-tips-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:gen-comp-tips-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Marilyn Bennett Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2008 7:13 AM To: gen-comp-tips@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [GEN-COMP-TIPS] Labelling photos Getting some good advice in this thread, but would like to add one Don't leave a space when naming any file, put a - dash or _ underscore. The reasoning is some computer programs may only look at a file name until the first blank space, making your photo unable to open. I get this advice from my brother who is a Oracle data base Programmer. He suggests labeling like this 20080430_001_touring_falls_01 or 19191119_mcvicar-brown_wed_scan He uses initials if there are many in the photo. 20000829_005_N_D_F_K_M I like the idea of using an extra space around the photo to add information. I do a lot of scanning of older photos from my parent's albums. If they have anything written on the back, I scan that too just to remind me later who was in the photo & it is nice to have it in their writing. Mitsy #9 <img src="http://us.i1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/mesg/tsmileys2/37.gif"><img src="http://us.i1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/mesg/tsmileys2/40.gif"><img src="http://us.i1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/mesg/tsmileys2/37.gif"> No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.6/1402 - Release Date: 4/28/2008 1:29 PM
Thanks Donna; I appreciate your efforts. Don't worry about the time lag. I corrupted the boot portion of my hard drive and it has taken some time to put back together. OFF TOPIC: This is the reason we do backups. All I lost was time/effort. No genealogical data was lost. Whew.... I have a better understanding Donna about how you are labeling the images themselves and your naming convention for the filenames. I like how you are placing notes about the scan. Neat. For increasing my canvas area to put in my text, I use 'Paint.Net'. It's pretty cool software and best of all it's free. (Donations are accepted.) I like how 'Paint.Net' scans right from my scanner/printer and then let's me place the text at the bottom of the image and then do all the adjusting I need to do. JL; Thanks for your input about IPTC. We all should probably use these attributes more. I wonder though, when I copy the JPEG to a CD, what happens to IPTC? Oh, and I agree with Donna about folks that don't use computers much. My great uncle could care less about how I store the image on my computer. He just wants to physically have a photo in his hands and have it labeled. Another question JL. Does JPEG support the IPTC format or do I have to use TIFF format? Marilyn; Thanks for your advice about adding underscores/dashes for the spaces in filenames. I had not considered that some programs would not be able to process spaces in the filename correctly. You have greatly added to the discussion. And I agree totally with scanning the back of the image if there is handwriting. Art; I use a replacement for Windows Explorer to do mass editing of filenames and moving of files. This replacement program is called ExplorerXP and was written by Nikolay Avrionov. Oh, and did I mention, its free too. It is simple, yet powerful. Well, thanks to all for your input and advice. This is a such a great forum and you'all are really wonderful! -- Enjoy the Search! Thayne Donna (History Buff) M. St. Felix wrote: > Thayne: > > Your process sounds like the results are like mine with a white area below > the main photo for which information is added. > > I don't add the photo source to labeling as I actually add that also into > the added white area where I add text. > An example of the LAST wording, under people info and possibly a story to > match the view, that I have under each photo (JPEG) or document follows. > I also have this centered in the middle (between sides) and often do all the > info centered, which takes some maneuvering at times for pleasant visuals. > > Photo taken 1941, Sept 10, afternoon, Detroit, Mich at 'A Blessing' > restaurant on xxxxx Street by Mary Anna Jones, daughter of John Benjamin > Jones. > Scanned 2007, Jan 9 by [my name] x 100% with 350 Resolution in color. > > I also do a lot of crop scans, especially with groups of people, along with > a full size view and usually an enlarged view too. > If it is a crop view, the last line may read: > CROP view scanned 2007, Jan 9 by [my name] x 400% with 600 Resolution in > color. > > > > <snip>
IPTC works mostly commonly with jpg's and tiff's. IPTC is information that stays with photos and is not going to disappear just because you burn them to a CD. There's 2 cases in which I've found it to disappear - one in allowing Windows to resize photos before emailing them. Windows (on XP for sure) doesn't know what IPTC is so it just kicks it out when resizing for email. The same can happen when making batch changes using FastStone, which again does not recognize IPTC so it throws it away. Otherwise it's pretty stable stuff used by professional photographs everywhere and slowly making its way into the lower worlds. I put together a summary of some software choices. http://www3.telus.net/Jgen/2008-03-26-iptc_summary.shtml -- JL JLog - simple computer technology for genealogists http://www3.telus.net/Jgen/jlog.html tcurtisGen wrote: > Thanks Donna; > I appreciate your efforts. Don't worry about the time lag. I corrupted > the boot portion of my hard drive and it has taken some time to put back > together. > > OFF TOPIC: This is the reason we do backups. All I lost was time/effort. > No genealogical data was lost. Whew.... > > I have a better understanding Donna about how you are labeling the > images themselves and your naming convention for the filenames. I like > how you are placing notes about the scan. Neat. > > For increasing my canvas area to put in my text, I use 'Paint.Net'. It's > pretty cool software and best of all it's free. (Donations are > accepted.) I like how 'Paint.Net' scans right from my scanner/printer > and then let's me place the text at the bottom of the image and then do > all the adjusting I need to do. > > JL; Thanks for your input about IPTC. We all should probably use these > attributes more. I wonder though, when I copy the JPEG to a CD, what > happens to IPTC? Oh, and I agree with Donna about folks that don't use > computers much. My great uncle could care less about how I store the > image on my computer. He just wants to physically have a photo in his > hands and have it labeled. > > Another question JL. Does JPEG support the IPTC format or do I have to > use TIFF format? > > Marilyn; Thanks for your advice about adding underscores/dashes for the > spaces in filenames. I had not considered that some programs would not > be able to process spaces in the filename correctly. You have greatly > added to the discussion. And I agree totally with scanning the back of > the image if there is handwriting. > > Art; I use a replacement for Windows Explorer to do mass editing of > filenames and moving of files. This replacement program is called > ExplorerXP and was written by Nikolay Avrionov. Oh, and did I mention, > its free too. It is simple, yet powerful. > > Well, thanks to all for your input and advice. This is a such a great > forum and you'all are really wonderful! > >
I will ask my Brother!! Mitsy #9 <font face="Verdana"> </font><a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://www.MarilynLeland.piczo.com"><font face="Verdana">www.MarilynLeland.piczo.com</font></a> ----- Original Message ---- From: Art Seddon <aseddon@artseddon.com> To: gen-comp-tips@rootsweb.com Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2008 3:56:34 PM Subject: Re: [GEN-COMP-TIPS] Labelling photos Sounds like a good idea. Does anyone know of a program capable of doing a search of spaces and replace with - on all of the photos in a directory? I have over 3500 jpg's in attached to my family file in Legacy and the prospect of doing each one manually and then reattaching is a bit daunting. Any suggestions? art Seddon ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marilyn Bennett" <mitsy_9@yahoo.ca> To: <gen-comp-tips@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2008 4:12 AM Subject: Re: [GEN-COMP-TIPS] Labelling photos Getting some good advice in this thread, but would like to add one Don't leave a space when naming any file, put a - dash or _ underscore. The reasoning is some computer programs may only look at a file name until the first blank space, making your photo unable to open. I get this advice from my brother who is a Oracle data base Programmer. He suggests labeling like this 20080430_001_touring_falls_01 or 19191119_mcvicar-brown_wed_scan He uses initials if there are many in the photo. 20000829_005_N_D_F_K_M I like the idea of using an extra space around the photo to add information. I do a lot of scanning of older photos from my parent's albums. If they have anything written on the back, I scan that too just to remind me later who was in the photo & it is nice to have it in their writing. Mitsy #9 <img src="http://us.i1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/mesg/tsmileys2/37.gif"><img src="http://us.i1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/mesg/tsmileys2/40.gif"><img src="http://us.i1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/mesg/tsmileys2/37.gif"> __________________________________________________________________ Get a sneak peak at messages with a handy reading pane with All new Yahoo! Mail: http://ca.promos.yahoo.com/newmail/overview2/ -------------------------------------- Having trouble with your subscription? Contact the List Admin at gen-comp-tips-admin@rootsweb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GEN-COMP-TIPS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -------------------------------------- Having trouble with your subscription? Contact the List Admin at gen-comp-tips-admin@rootsweb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GEN-COMP-TIPS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message __________________________________________________________________ Get a sneak peak at messages with a handy reading pane with All new Yahoo! Mail: http://ca.promos.yahoo.com/newmail/overview2/
ACDSee Pro 2 Photo Manager. It has very detailed batch processing options that can definitely handle the renaming you're suggesting and do it very quickly. Re-attaching to Legacy, now that could be a challenge. As I've experienced it, the only way to preserve the links to Legacy is to do your renaming there and that would be a very tedious process indeed. I've done it manually just out of sheer determination to have it done, but it ain't fun. I'll be watching here for other replies. -- JL JLog - simple computer technology for genealogists http://www3.telus.net/Jgen/jlog.html Art Seddon wrote: > Sounds like a good idea. Does anyone know of a program capable of doing a > search of spaces and replace with - on all of the photos in a directory? I > have over 3500 jpg's in attached to my family file in Legacy and the > prospect of doing each one manually and then reattaching is a bit daunting. > > Any suggestions? > > art Seddon > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Marilyn Bennett" <mitsy_9@yahoo.ca> > To: <gen-comp-tips@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2008 4:12 AM > Subject: Re: [GEN-COMP-TIPS] Labelling photos > > > Getting some good advice in this thread, but would like to add one > Don't leave a space when naming any file, put a - dash or _ underscore. > The reasoning is some computer programs may only look at a file name until > the first blank space, > making your photo unable to open. > I get this advice from my brother who is a Oracle data base Programmer. > He suggests labeling like this 20080430_001_touring_falls_01 > or 19191119_mcvicar-brown_wed_scan > He uses initials if there are many in the photo. 20000829_005_N_D_F_K_M > I like the idea of using an extra space around the photo to add information. > I do a lot of scanning of older photos from my parent's albums. > If they have anything written on the back, I scan that too just to remind me > later who was in the photo & it is nice to have it in their writing. > > Mitsy #9 > <img src="http://us.i1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/mesg/tsmileys2/37.gif"><img > src="http://us.i1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/mesg/tsmileys2/40.gif"><img > src="http://us.i1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/mesg/tsmileys2/37.gif"> > > > __________________________________________________________________ > Get a sneak peak at messages with a handy reading pane with All new Yahoo! > Mail: http://ca.promos.yahoo.com/newmail/overview2/ > -------------------------------------- > Having trouble with your subscription? Contact the List Admin at > gen-comp-tips-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GEN-COMP-TIPS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > -------------------------------------- > Having trouble with your subscription? Contact the List Admin at gen-comp-tips-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GEN-COMP-TIPS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >