Oh my gosh....I had promised myself that I would not write to this list again, but I have to have my say. I'm pretty new to this list, and I'll be the first to say that most of the time I have no idea what anyone is writing about when I read the e-mail. I'll also be the first to say that I'm computer illiterate. What I have noticed, though, is that Art and Lance address many of the problems. They both seem to have much knowledge when it comes to the computer. So what if the topic isn't something that I'm interested in. How long does it take to read these e-mails?? Seconds. Then hit the delete. It's as simple as that. Another list I subscribe to has someone constantly sending links to pictures of headstones in Texas. I have no family buried in this cemetery. Do I get upset? No I don't. I simply delete. Not everything that comes into my mailbox is something I'm interested in. But once in a while, something or someone I can relate to sends something to the list I subscribe to. Life is too short to sweat the small stuff. With all that is happening in this world, why can't we just accept that we're all different....and each of us has our own needs. Let's just accept each other for what we are. Good people!!! Vicki Billings Winchester, KY

I also agree with Pat I have only been on the list for a short time and have found it very helpful and I have also received one of those e-mail's on another list I just deleted it and have not received any since then... Albert ----- Original Message ----- From: <Neonan@aol.com> To: <GEN-COMP-TIPS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, August 12, 2004 3:19 PM Subject: [Gen-Comp-Tips] Topics For The List > Pat wrote: > > "If the Admin unsubscribes you or Lance the rest of us are lost so we might > as well leave also. Pat" > > I agree with you on that Pat. Both Art and Lance, and so many others, give > their bits of knowledge freely to all of us that are on what I call "life > support systems," meaning without their knowledge and help, I would be at a loss on > using a computer most of the time. > > I am nervous enough just thinking about what the new XP Service Pack2 is > going to bring, and the almost new start on using it again. I do know we need > more security in using XP, and that the Service Pack is a good thing, but without > these little tidbits of help that people give us, my one love in life, which > is genealogy, would come to a complete halt on the unsafe Internet of today. > > I do understand also what Al is trying to say, to stay on topic whenever > possible, and we should honor his wishes, but if now and then when a big change > with using our computers for genealogy comes along, those that can help us > through the changes are so welcomed on my part. > > I try to do my best to do this on all of the many lists that I am on, but I > am getting hesitant to even ask questions on these lists for fear of doing > something wrong. > > And now a related topic:) Has anyone had a problem when they go to use the > Rootsweb databases, and even though I have a pop up blocker, there is one that > sneaks through and is annoying. It is evidently a cartoon related version of > a dual between Kerry and Bush? > Just wondering if I am the only one having this problem. > > Thank you, > > Nancy O. > > > > ==== GEN-COMP-TIPS Mailing List ==== > DO NOT open unexpected file attachments from people, even if you know them. Verify with the sender first. This may be your only line of defence, other than AV Software, against mail "viruses" > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > >

Hi Art > Ken, could you please answer this about what is an acceptable post and what is not? Where is the line drawn? Please advise of this so that we may all know. My personal view is that this list strays well "off-topic" on many occasions. In the past, I have hoped that Ken would make a stand when many topics irrelevant to genealogy have reared their heads, recently for example when there was discussion about how to put music into a digital format. Nevertheless, it is my view that Ken has possibly made an error of judgement in reprimanding you for posting about a Windows Upgrade. However, do we know all of the facts ? Are you a Microsoft employee who might have a vested interest in encouraging folks to download that Upgrade ? Have you and Ken crossed swords in the past ? On the face of it, I would have thought that it was time for Ken to clarify the situation, and then for us all to forget about it. That assumes that we know all of the facts, and that the issue is as simple as it seems. A simple Windows Upgrade - we all need to be reminded to check for them daily ! Most of all, I think that it's essential that a splendidly useful list doesn't simply disintegrate because of one disagreement. Let's all move on. Has someone one got the next problem for Art, Lance et al to solve ? Best wishes. Paul Gaskell Minutes Secretary and Publicity Officer Oxfordshire Family History Society Web : www.ofhs.org.uk E-mail : publicity@ofhs.org.uk

Before replying to the news about Art's summary dismissal and subsequent reinstatement, I thought I would refresh myself on just what the topic of this list is. This is what the home page has to say: "Topic: A mailing list for the discussion and sharing of information regarding basic computer operating tips and trouble shooting guidelines for genealogy researchers". Perhaps the List owner may be able to clarify that statement, but the way I read it the topic of "Windows Service Pack 2" certainly falls within that definition ("basic computer operating tips"). After all 99.9% of members, I am willing to bet would be using Windows for their OS and a good percentage of those would be using XP. So without an operating system, where would their research be? Over a long period of time, Art, myself and others have answered more queries on this list than I can remember, with no one objecting to the "topics" for a very long time (I believe the one person who did (object) departed long ago). So what now is the definition of the "topic of this list"? If people are going to banned for posting a particular topic, while others post all manner of things, will that build a harmonious list? I think not. Perhaps those who have offered considerable help may have to look for more welcome "pastures" if the "ground rules" are going to be different for some and not others. Something we will have to consider. Lance -----Original Message----- From: dolphin213 [mailto:dolphin213@cox.net] Sent: Thursday, 12 August 2004 15:12 To: GEN-COMP-TIPS-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [Gen-Comp-Tips] Off Topic Information Additional note for clarification about the post below. I really was un-subscribed by the Admin and I was allowed to re-subscribe. I thank all of you who have written me expressing your opinions about it being of interest to the Genealogy - Computer - Tips list subscribers. Take care all, Art --- avast! Antivirus: Outbound message clean. Virus Database (VPS): 0433-2, 2004-08-10 Tested on: 12/08/2004 3:51:57 PM avast! - copyright (c) 2000-2004 ALWIL Software. http://www.avast.com

Pat wrote: "If the Admin unsubscribes you or Lance the rest of us are lost so we might as well leave also.     Pat" I agree with you on that Pat. Both Art and Lance, and so many others, give their bits of knowledge freely to all of us that are on what I call "life support systems," meaning without their knowledge and help, I would be at a loss on using a computer most of the time. I am nervous enough just thinking about what the new XP Service Pack2 is going to bring, and the almost new start on using it again. I do know we need more security in using XP, and that the Service Pack is a good thing, but without these little tidbits of help that people give us, my one love in life, which is genealogy, would come to a complete halt on the unsafe Internet of today. I do understand also what Al is trying to say, to stay on topic whenever possible, and we should honor his wishes, but if now and then when a big change with using our computers for genealogy comes along, those that can help us through the changes are so welcomed on my part. I try to do my best to do this on all of the many lists that I am on, but I am getting hesitant to even ask questions on these lists for fear of doing something wrong. And now a related topic:) Has anyone had a problem when they go to use the Rootsweb databases, and even though I have a pop up blocker, there is one that sneaks through and is annoying. It is evidently a cartoon related version of a dual between Kerry and Bush? Just wondering if I am the only one having this problem. Thank you, Nancy O.

Bill you can have a "split screen", just by resizing the screens of the programs you wish to view. You can place them side by side or one on top of the other or even divide the screen in quarters if you have four you wish to use. Some programs will let you open two databases in separate screens and you can switch from one screen to the other to make them active. It is just a case of experimenting. And much cheaper than having two monitors :-). -----Original Message----- From: bhoudek [mailto:bhoudek@swbell.net] Sent: Thursday, 12 August 2004 01:29 To: GEN-COMP-TIPS-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [Gen-Comp-Tips] Dual Monitors revisited Thanks, folks for the comments. Was hoping an alternative might be to do split-screen with two separate programs at the same time. Recall some 20+ years ago seeing a demonstration of split screen usage. Not at that time knowing how to turn a computer on, it looked great but had no clue as to how to run it. I just recently discovered how to produce an e-mail using only 1/2 screen superimposed over, say, Legacy and that works great. Am running Win xp home & 312 ram with Pentium 111. Any thoughts here save forking over bunches of cash? Thanks again, Bill Houdek --- avast! Antivirus: Outbound message clean. Virus Database (VPS): 0433-2, 2004-08-10 Tested on: 12/08/2004 2:11:16 PM avast! - copyright (c) 2000-2004 ALWIL Software. http://www.avast.com

"How many", Phil, will depend on the available space on your hard drive, so there is no defined limit. All you need to do is maintain good "housekeeping" with your OE files and don't accumulate more messages than your drive can handle. Again, there is good advice on INSIDEOE about compacting your OE folders, and in particular good advice about NOT using the auto compact feature: http://insideoe.tomsterdam.com/files/maintain.htm#auto Lance -----Original Message----- From: Phil Stevens [mailto:joe2phil@drizzle.com] Sent: Thursday, 12 August 2004 12:36 To: Gen. Comp. Tips Mail List; hty31b5@hotmail.com Subject: Re: [Gen-Comp-Tips] moving emails Hello Lance an list , Tell us please , what number would be considered as " to many messages " , I am not seeing any ' slow down ' , , I am not looking forward to saving / exporting part of it , Phil --- avast! Antivirus: Outbound message clean. Virus Database (VPS): 0433-2, 2004-08-10 Tested on: 12/08/2004 1:42:16 PM avast! - copyright (c) 2000-2004 ALWIL Software. http://www.avast.com

I am one of those who has been chastised for posting something that was deemed "off topic". But I agree with the others who have stated that they have benefited from the expertise of Lance and others. They have kept me up and running and able to do my genealogy research. I also agree that if those people who are so very, very helpful are kicked off the list the rest of us may as well go also. I might add that I have seen very little pertaining to genealogy posted on this list! Janet in Baton Rouge, LA

Good question. I definitely need to know because I a quite new to this list. Thanks, Maureen ----- Original Message ----- From: "dolphin213" <dolphin213@cox.net> To: <GEN-COMP-TIPS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, August 12, 2004 4:05 AM Subject: Re: [Gen-Comp-Tips] Topic of this List Lance, thank you for your support. Ken, could you please answer this about what is an acceptable post and what is not? Where is the line drawn? Please advise of this so that we may all know. Art >Before replying to the news about Art's summary dismissal and subsequent >reinstatement, I thought I would refresh myself on just what the topic >of this list is. This is what the home page has to say: > >"Topic: A mailing list for the discussion and sharing of information >regarding basic computer operating tips and trouble shooting guidelines >for genealogy researchers". > >Perhaps the List owner may be able to clarify that statement, but the >way I read it the topic of "Windows Service Pack 2" certainly falls >within that definition ("basic computer operating tips"). After all >99.9% of members, I am willing to bet would be using Windows for their >OS and a good percentage of those would be using XP. So without an >operating system, where would their research be? > >Over a long period of time, Art, myself and others have answered more >queries on this list than I can remember, with no one objecting to the >"topics" for a very long time (I believe the one person who did (object) >departed long ago). > >So what now is the definition of the "topic of this list"? If people are >going to banned for posting a particular topic, while others post all >manner of things, will that build a harmonious list? I think not. >Perhaps those who have offered considerable help may have to look for >more welcome "pastures" if the "ground rules" are going to be different >for some and not others. Something we will have to consider. > >Lance ==== GEN-COMP-TIPS Mailing List ==== DO NOT open unexpected file attachments from people, even if you know them. Verify with the sender first. This may be your only line of defence, other than AV Software, against mail "viruses" ============================== Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237

If the Admin unsubscribes you or Lance the rest of us are lost so we might as well leave also. Pat ----- Original Message ----- From: "dolphin213" <dolphin213@cox.net> To: <GEN-COMP-TIPS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, August 12, 2004 12:07 AM Subject: [Gen-Comp-Tips] Off Topic Information > Just so you all know, I have been un-subscribed from this list by the Admin > for my Off-Topic post earlier today about Windows XP. > > This post will probably get me banned. > > Anyone who needs my help can contact me off-list. > > Take care everyone! > > > > ==== GEN-COMP-TIPS Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe from this list send a message to GEN-COMP-TIPS-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM with the word UNSUBSCRIBE in the body of the message. > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > >

I get them all the time and delete and blacklist them in MailWasher. I'm sure they are viruses. Jan Marchant Sydney, Australia

From a 'users' point of view, I would like to add the following : My wife uses her PC almost exclusively for genealogy. To be able to do this, we have to keep the system itself stable and up to date. This has meant that I have done numerous postings in the past on matters which might now seem 'off topic' such as spam, viruses, problems with XP and related MS products. These are all things which if they fail or are not kept up to date would make the PC useless as a genealogy tool. I found the early warning of the XP service pack to be helpful and one of the things, which, as a computer user rather than a computer 'buff' I would not have been aware of other than through this list. Just another of those things which helps us to keep the wheels turning on a day to day basis. I have received a great deal of help from Lance and others for which I have been grateful to them and also for the existence of this list. I feel a bit nervous about further postings now and do hope things can be clarified so that we can get back on track and maintain the very helpful resource which this list is to people like ourselves. Regards to all, David ----- Original Message ----- From: "dolphin213" <dolphin213@cox.net> To: <GEN-COMP-TIPS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, August 12, 2004 9:05 AM Subject: Re: [Gen-Comp-Tips] Topic of this List > > Lance, thank you for your support. > > Ken, could you please answer this about what is an acceptable post and > what is not? Where is the line drawn? Please advise of this so that we > may all know. > > Art > > > >Before replying to the news about Art's summary dismissal and subsequent > >reinstatement, I thought I would refresh myself on just what the topic > >of this list is. This is what the home page has to say: > > > >"Topic: A mailing list for the discussion and sharing of information > >regarding basic computer operating tips and trouble shooting guidelines > >for genealogy researchers". > > > >Perhaps the List owner may be able to clarify that statement, but the > >way I read it the topic of "Windows Service Pack 2" certainly falls > >within that definition ("basic computer operating tips"). After all > >99.9% of members, I am willing to bet would be using Windows for their > >OS and a good percentage of those would be using XP. So without an > >operating system, where would their research be? > > > >Over a long period of time, Art, myself and others have answered more > >queries on this list than I can remember, with no one objecting to the > >"topics" for a very long time (I believe the one person who did (object) > >departed long ago). > > > >So what now is the definition of the "topic of this list"? If people are > >going to banned for posting a particular topic, while others post all > >manner of things, will that build a harmonious list? I think not. > >Perhaps those who have offered considerable help may have to look for > >more welcome "pastures" if the "ground rules" are going to be different > >for some and not others. Something we will have to consider. > > > >Lance > > > ==== GEN-COMP-TIPS Mailing List ==== > DO NOT open unexpected file attachments from people, even if you know them. Verify with the sender first. This may be your only line of defence, other than AV Software, against mail "viruses" > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > >

My sincere thanks to all who replied so far. I did not order this (looks like a PC) and if it was a fraudulent purchase on my card cannot understand why the confirmation order should come to my email address. Surely a bogus purchaser would give another email address? But I have notified all concerned just in case. Thanks again. Mary

This is what I do when I am transcribing wills. I open the will (old English ones in my case) in a window at the top of the screen, and scoll through it so that the line I'm working on is at the bottom of the image. Then I open Word in a window below that and start typing my transcription. It works really well. I also have done it with websites where I have copied some information into Word and need to edit it. You can have both open and available at the same time. It does help to have a large screen monitor, but I even used to do this with my now geriatric Mac Classic. Cheers, Robyn > Bill you can have a "split screen", just by resizing the screens of the > programs you wish to view. You can place them side by side or one on top > of the other or even divide the screen in quarters if you have four you > wish to use. Some programs will let you open two databases in separate > screens and you can switch from one screen to the other to make them > active. It is just a case of experimenting. And much cheaper than having > two monitors :-). > > -----Original Message----- > From: bhoudek [mailto:bhoudek@swbell.net] > Sent: Thursday, 12 August 2004 01:29 > To: GEN-COMP-TIPS-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [Gen-Comp-Tips] Dual Monitors revisited > > Thanks, folks for the comments. > > Was hoping an alternative might be to do split-screen with two separate > programs at the same time. > > Recall some 20+ years ago seeing a demonstration of split screen usage. > Not > at that time knowing how to turn a computer on, it looked great but had > no > clue as to how to run it. > > I just recently discovered how to produce an e-mail using only 1/2 > screen > superimposed over, say, Legacy and that works great. > > Am running Win xp home & 312 ram with Pentium 111. > > Any thoughts here save forking over bunches of cash? > > Thanks again, > > Bill Houdek > > --- > avast! Antivirus: Outbound message clean. > Virus Database (VPS): 0433-2, 2004-08-10 > Tested on: 12/08/2004 2:11:16 PM > avast! - copyright (c) 2000-2004 ALWIL Software. > http://www.avast.com > > > > > > ==== GEN-COMP-TIPS Mailing List ==== > DO NOT open unexpected file attachments from people, even if you know them. Verify with the sender first. This may be your only line of defence, other than AV Software, against mail "viruses" > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > >

Lance, thank you for your support. Ken, could you please answer this about what is an acceptable post and what is not? Where is the line drawn? Please advise of this so that we may all know. Art >Before replying to the news about Art's summary dismissal and subsequent >reinstatement, I thought I would refresh myself on just what the topic >of this list is. This is what the home page has to say: > >"Topic: A mailing list for the discussion and sharing of information >regarding basic computer operating tips and trouble shooting guidelines >for genealogy researchers". > >Perhaps the List owner may be able to clarify that statement, but the >way I read it the topic of "Windows Service Pack 2" certainly falls >within that definition ("basic computer operating tips"). After all >99.9% of members, I am willing to bet would be using Windows for their >OS and a good percentage of those would be using XP. So without an >operating system, where would their research be? > >Over a long period of time, Art, myself and others have answered more >queries on this list than I can remember, with no one objecting to the >"topics" for a very long time (I believe the one person who did (object) >departed long ago). > >So what now is the definition of the "topic of this list"? If people are >going to banned for posting a particular topic, while others post all >manner of things, will that build a harmonious list? I think not. >Perhaps those who have offered considerable help may have to look for >more welcome "pastures" if the "ground rules" are going to be different >for some and not others. Something we will have to consider. > >Lance

I had an American ATM which went immediately to my checking account, and someone charged $4,780 on it. When I reported it, I was immediately reimbursed for the amount, pending an investigation. A few months later, I was told that the matter had been cleared, and I wasn't charged anything for it, not even the $50. Pat At 08:51 PM 8/11/2004, Bob Carroll wrote: >On Aug 11, 2004, Mary <mm.henson@tiscali.co.uk> wrote > >>I was wondering the more knowledgable listers comments on the safety of >>using a credit card to purchase over the internet. I have always been >>happy about buying this way but yesterday I purchased something from a >>reputable company and today I received an email from an unknown >>person/company acknowledging my order. It looks as if I have purchased a >>computer for an amount in US dollers on a credit card (details copied >>below) does anyone have any knowledge of this or comments? > >If you actually ordered these on a common variety credit card you are very >safe. If your card is fraudulently charged all banks in US must limit >your liability to $50. Usually none. I assume UK are similar. If, >however, you have a debit card that withdraws direct from your bank >account, you could have a problem, because money is already withdrawn. >Many internet sellers use a processing firm that may or answer or >acknowledge with a different name or parent company. > >The worst thing you can do on-line is to use a cashier's or certified >check [or CASH or wire transfer!] . The next worst is to use a personal >check. Regular credit card [not debit card] is very safe. If you don't >receive the goods, refuse to pay, the credit card company will back you. >I know some people cannot get a credit card that is not the debit variety. >My advice is not to have it on your primary checking account. If number is >"stolen" you could suddenly face a zero balance. >Regards, Bob > > >==== GEN-COMP-TIPS Mailing List ==== >DO NOT open unexpected file attachments from people, even if you know >them. Verify with the sender first. This may be your only line of defence, >other than AV Software, against mail "viruses" > >============================== >Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration >Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237

I have received several of these and just deleted them. Nothing has appeared on my credit card statements. Joan in South Yorkshire ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mary" <mm.henson@tiscali.co.uk> To: <GEN-COMP-TIPS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, August 11, 2004 5:07 PM Subject: [Gen-Comp-Tips] credit card safety > I was wondering the more knowledgable listers comments on the safety of > using a credit card to purchase over the internet. I have always been > happy about buying this way but yesterday I purchased something from a > reputable company and today I received an email from an unknown > person/company acknowledging my order. It looks as if I have purchased > a computer for an amount in US dollers on a credit card (details copied > below) does anyone have any knowledge of this or comments? > > Thanks > Mary > > email contents as follows: > > Thank you for your order! > ***PLEASE DO NOT RESPOND TO THIS EMAIL, THIS IS AN AUTOMATED EMAIL AND > NO REPLY WILL BE READ*** > > INFINITY-MICRO SALES ORDER ORDER ID: IM 0BSK3 > -------------------------------------------------------------- > Qty. Price. Amount. Description > -------------------------------------------------------------- > 1 $1,489.00 $1,489.00 M505X, GATEWAY M505X , Pent.4 > 1.4Ghz, 40GB HD, 512MB, 24x DVD/CDRW Combo Dr > 1 $379.00 $379.00 IM-MEMNO1GB, 1GB NOTEBOOKS MEMORY > > > Payment Method: ----- Credit card > Order Date ----- 8/9/04 2:05 AM > Ship Via: ----- 2 Day > > Subtotal: ----- $1,868.00 > Discounts: ----- -$56.04 > Shipping: ----- $45.00 > Tax: ----- $0.00 > > TOTAL: ----- $1,856.96 > > Sales Department > At eurojobsear.net <http://eurojobsearch.net/1/index.htm> > > > > > ==== GEN-COMP-TIPS Mailing List ==== > Cyndi's List of Genealogy Sites of the Internet: > http://www.cyndislist.com > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > > > -- > This email has been verified as Virus free > Virus Protection and more available at http://www.plus.net >

Additional note for clarification about the post below. I really was un-subscribed by the Admin and I was allowed to re-subscribe. I thank all of you who have written me expressing your opinions about it being of interest to the Genealogy - Computer - Tips list subscribers. Take care all, Art >Just so you all know, I have been un-subscribed from this list by the >Admin for my Off-Topic post earlier today about Windows XP. > >This post will probably get me banned. > >Anyone who needs my help can contact me off-list. > >Take care everyone!

I forgot to say, I did not order this, my genuine order has gone through as normal.

Just so you all know, I have been un-subscribed from this list by the Admin for my Off-Topic post earlier today about Windows XP. This post will probably get me banned. Anyone who needs my help can contact me off-list. Take care everyone!