I've never (or rarely) had problems with disconnections. I was on AOL for a dozen years, then got fed up with their poor tech response and their blocking RootsWeb mailing lists. I switched to Earthlink six months ago and have had no problems with disconnections, and have found their tech support to be fast and helpful. Fran ----- Original Message ----- From: "pat nix" <pnix@accessatc.net> To: <GEN-COMP-TIPS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, August 22, 2004 10:28 AM Subject: Re: [Gen-Comp-Tips] drop- off > Peggy > I also live on ssi and can not get DSL because I live in rural area . My > ISP does not offer Senior plans I pay $20 a mo. to comstantly get dropped > off . Somehow this just doesn't seem right. I'm afraid to download anything > because i'm offline before it's complete. I may be in jail MOnday but I > have had enough. Get better or get lost Pat > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Peggy Broughton" <peggyj@our-town.com> > To: <GEN-COMP-TIPS-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, August 22, 2004 7:20 AM > Subject: Re: [Gen-Comp-Tips] drop- off > > > > I think some of it depends of where you live, and what phone service your > > ISP has or which service you use, or maybe which service payment plan you > > are using with your ISP. and maybe how many modems the ISP has, in my > small > > town of 3200 people, I don't think there is one *ISP in this* town, while > > there are several in the college town 10 miles away.We are in a rural area > > of Texas, My ISP does drop me off,at times, and some times it get very > > annoying, to say the least. But, I use them because they have been here > > longer than most of the others, and I believe they are the most > > knowledgeable of the bunch.; they have a payment plan for Seniors, which I > > am,and they are pleasant to work with. They now are offering DSL, but I > > don't know that I will change over, as one person stated on this list, I > > might not have the brass, since we are living on a pension,and it just > > stretches so far. > > Peggy in Texas > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Maureen S Cassidy" <maureen.s.cassidy@worldnet.att.net> > > To: <GEN-COMP-TIPS-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Saturday, August 21, 2004 7:13 PM > > Subject: Re: [Gen-Comp-Tips] drop- off > > > > > > > I've had dial-up for 6yrs now and have never been disconnected unless > the > > > service was having problems (rare). However I have heard complaints > about > > > this type of thing from people on various mailing lists to which I > > > subscribe. > > > > > > Maureen > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "pat nix" <pnix@accessatc.net> > > > To: <GEN-COMP-TIPS-L@rootsweb.com> > > > Sent: Saturday, August 21, 2004 7:02 PM > > > Subject: [Gen-Comp-Tips] drop- off > > > > > > > > > Is it common for dial-up service for you to get dropped off often? I > > > subscribe to a local telephone company and I'm getting dropped off some > > > times 6 times an hour. More than that after 4 p.m. From 6pm to 7 pm > today > > > it's been 9 times > > > Thanks > > > Pat > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== GEN-COMP-TIPS Mailing List ==== > > > To unsubscribe from this list send a message to > > > GEN-COMP-TIPS-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM with the word UNSUBSCRIBE in the > body > > > of the message. > > > > > > ============================== > > > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > > > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > > > ==== GEN-COMP-TIPS Mailing List ==== > > > Cyndi's List of Genealogy Sites of the Internet: > > > http://www.cyndislist.com > > > > > > ============================== > > > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > > > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== GEN-COMP-TIPS Mailing List ==== > > To unsubscribe from this list send a message to > GEN-COMP-TIPS-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM with the word UNSUBSCRIBE in the body > of the message. > > > > ============================== > > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > > ==== GEN-COMP-TIPS Mailing List ==== > DO NOT open unexpected file attachments from people, even if you know them. Verify with the sender first. This may be your only line of defence, other than AV Software, against mail "viruses" > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 >

Joan, >I tried your first option and it seems to have worked - no dial up screen >today! >Thanks so much for your help, >Joan in South Yorkshire Your welcome! Art

Peggy I also live on ssi and can not get DSL because I live in rural area . My ISP does not offer Senior plans I pay $20 a mo. to comstantly get dropped off . Somehow this just doesn't seem right. I'm afraid to download anything because i'm offline before it's complete. I may be in jail MOnday but I have had enough. Get better or get lost Pat ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peggy Broughton" <peggyj@our-town.com> To: <GEN-COMP-TIPS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, August 22, 2004 7:20 AM Subject: Re: [Gen-Comp-Tips] drop- off > I think some of it depends of where you live, and what phone service your > ISP has or which service you use, or maybe which service payment plan you > are using with your ISP. and maybe how many modems the ISP has, in my small > town of 3200 people, I don't think there is one *ISP in this* town, while > there are several in the college town 10 miles away.We are in a rural area > of Texas, My ISP does drop me off,at times, and some times it get very > annoying, to say the least. But, I use them because they have been here > longer than most of the others, and I believe they are the most > knowledgeable of the bunch.; they have a payment plan for Seniors, which I > am,and they are pleasant to work with. They now are offering DSL, but I > don't know that I will change over, as one person stated on this list, I > might not have the brass, since we are living on a pension,and it just > stretches so far. > Peggy in Texas > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Maureen S Cassidy" <maureen.s.cassidy@worldnet.att.net> > To: <GEN-COMP-TIPS-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, August 21, 2004 7:13 PM > Subject: Re: [Gen-Comp-Tips] drop- off > > > > I've had dial-up for 6yrs now and have never been disconnected unless the > > service was having problems (rare). However I have heard complaints about > > this type of thing from people on various mailing lists to which I > > subscribe. > > > > Maureen > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "pat nix" <pnix@accessatc.net> > > To: <GEN-COMP-TIPS-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Saturday, August 21, 2004 7:02 PM > > Subject: [Gen-Comp-Tips] drop- off > > > > > > Is it common for dial-up service for you to get dropped off often? I > > subscribe to a local telephone company and I'm getting dropped off some > > times 6 times an hour. More than that after 4 p.m. From 6pm to 7 pm today > > it's been 9 times > > Thanks > > Pat > > > > > > > > ==== GEN-COMP-TIPS Mailing List ==== > > To unsubscribe from this list send a message to > > GEN-COMP-TIPS-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM with the word UNSUBSCRIBE in the body > > of the message. > > > > ============================== > > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > ==== GEN-COMP-TIPS Mailing List ==== > > Cyndi's List of Genealogy Sites of the Internet: > > http://www.cyndislist.com > > > > ============================== > > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > ==== GEN-COMP-TIPS Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe from this list send a message to GEN-COMP-TIPS-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM with the word UNSUBSCRIBE in the body of the message. > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > >

Hey, nothing is set in stone , if it works for you and you like I am all for that,,I don't agree with every thing on the way FTM says do it... either, as for the drops offs, some places in our part of Texas don't have any thing the the telephone company for an ISP, when we lived out in the boonies, all I could get was with the local Rural Coop or what use to be REA... not all of us have a choice .. if we are going to have computer service. Peggy in Texas

Pat, My daughter had a local service that gave her the runaround big time...real nasty too. She has now switched to Verizon and everything is great. I switched to ATT from a local company because he couldn't compete. I pay $16.95 month with Accelerator. Can you switch to your tel company or is that local too?? All our local tel cos went the way of the hoop skirts some yrs ago. Maureen ----- Original Message ----- From: "pat nix" <pnix@accessatc.net> To: <GEN-COMP-TIPS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, August 22, 2004 12:12 PM Subject: Re: [Gen-Comp-Tips] drop- off Maureen Just got this service about 4 months ago at first it was o.k. but now it will not stay on line afterr 4 p.m. Living where I do dial up is all I can get local and I don't want AOL. Thanks for your answer. Pat ----- Original Message ----- From: "Maureen S Cassidy" <maureen.s.cassidy@worldnet.att.net> To: <GEN-COMP-TIPS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, August 21, 2004 8:13 PM Subject: Re: [Gen-Comp-Tips] drop- off > I've had dial-up for 6yrs now and have never been disconnected unless the > service was having problems (rare). However I have heard complaints about > this type of thing from people on various mailing lists to which I > subscribe. > > Maureen > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "pat nix" <pnix@accessatc.net> > To: <GEN-COMP-TIPS-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, August 21, 2004 7:02 PM > Subject: [Gen-Comp-Tips] drop- off > > > Is it common for dial-up service for you to get dropped off often? I > subscribe to a local telephone company and I'm getting dropped off some > times 6 times an hour. More than that after 4 p.m. From 6pm to 7 pm today > it's been 9 times > Thanks > Pat > > > > ==== GEN-COMP-TIPS Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe from this list send a message to > GEN-COMP-TIPS-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM with the word UNSUBSCRIBE in the body > of the message. > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > > > ==== GEN-COMP-TIPS Mailing List ==== > Cyndi's List of Genealogy Sites of the Internet: > http://www.cyndislist.com > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > > ==== GEN-COMP-TIPS Mailing List ==== DO NOT open unexpected file attachments from people, even if you know them. Verify with the sender first. This may be your only line of defence, other than AV Software, against mail "viruses" ============================== Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237

Maureen Just got this service about 4 months ago at first it was o.k. but now it will not stay on line afterr 4 p.m. Living where I do dial up is all I can get local and I don't want AOL. Thanks for your answer. Pat ----- Original Message ----- From: "Maureen S Cassidy" <maureen.s.cassidy@worldnet.att.net> To: <GEN-COMP-TIPS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, August 21, 2004 8:13 PM Subject: Re: [Gen-Comp-Tips] drop- off > I've had dial-up for 6yrs now and have never been disconnected unless the > service was having problems (rare). However I have heard complaints about > this type of thing from people on various mailing lists to which I > subscribe. > > Maureen > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "pat nix" <pnix@accessatc.net> > To: <GEN-COMP-TIPS-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, August 21, 2004 7:02 PM > Subject: [Gen-Comp-Tips] drop- off > > > Is it common for dial-up service for you to get dropped off often? I > subscribe to a local telephone company and I'm getting dropped off some > times 6 times an hour. More than that after 4 p.m. From 6pm to 7 pm today > it's been 9 times > Thanks > Pat > > > > ==== GEN-COMP-TIPS Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe from this list send a message to > GEN-COMP-TIPS-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM with the word UNSUBSCRIBE in the body > of the message. > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > > > ==== GEN-COMP-TIPS Mailing List ==== > Cyndi's List of Genealogy Sites of the Internet: > http://www.cyndislist.com > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > >

A well written summation, David! Becoming too bogged down in technicalities is a trap many fall into. Stick to simple instructions and follow the prompts given by the program is the best mode of operation in most instances. Go off on technical side tracks or try to examine every little consequence of any action can create more disasters for an unwary user than they need. All of these zip programs have happy users. All of these programs do an acceptable job for most users - zip up files or un-zip downloads - that's enough for most genealogists. Just let the program do its job no matter which you use. Lance -----Original Message----- From: David Creelman [mailto:davidcr@sympatico.ca] Sent: Sunday, 22 August 2004 11:41 To: GEN-COMP-TIPS-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [Gen-Comp-Tips] ZipZap- Zipping for the Relatively Inexperienced I'm not sure WinZip or any of the other Zip programs suck. They all work pretty well, but some put their complex features, which are useful for experts, out front. If others use a simpler interface, recommending them here is probably helpful. I tried to learn WinZip as a computer newbie. I used the help files and a comprehensive tutorial, and got completely lost. There were a lot of concepts the less experienced user(me), could not handle. I didn't want to learn about archives, I wanted the darned file smaller. Then a friend told me the simple answer to my problems. 1-Ignore all that Help stuff. 2-Simply right-click on the object you want zipped and choose from the choices available. I don't have WinZip on my computer now so can't give exact instructions. 3-Just choose one of the WinZip options. Agree with the program(it's friendly but demands obedience) and continue till you have a zipped file beside your original one. 4-If this didn't work make another choice next time. It might take you 5 minutes to get it, tops. There aren't that many right-click choices. Opening Zipped Files-If you right-click on an object that is already zipped, you get the choices to open it. Choose the option to open in a folder of the same name, or already have the file in a folder by itself. Otherwise you will mix the unzipped files with unrelated files, disturbing your bliss and that of others who don't like screamed swear words.(Programs can have zillions, figuratively speaking, of files in the zip.) All the zip programs I've used have had this right-click context menu, so I think my suggestion will work for just about any zip program out there. David --- avast! Antivirus: Outbound message clean. Virus Database (VPS): 0434-2, 2004-08-20 Tested on: 22/08/2004 12:05:23 PM avast! - copyright (c) 2000-2004 ALWIL Software. http://www.avast.com

Dear Art, I did that before I posted the message to the list. I now have the icon from the Task Bar on the Desk Top and nothing on the Task Bar. How do I get back the original one that was on the Desk Top. ? Marie

Yes, PKZip has been around for a very long time (1986). Early versions of PAF used it as part of the setup routine. However, I believe PKZip and WinZip have always been produced by different companies. They are both still available from those companies: http://www.pkware.com/ http://www.winzip.com Lance -----Original Message----- From: Ken Quinn [mailto:director@montrealirishparade.com] Sent: Sunday, 22 August 2004 06:45 To: GEN-COMP-TIPS-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [Gen-Comp-Tips] Which file compression program is best/free? I've been using WinZip since before there was a Windows version. Prior to the Windows it was called PKZIP. I've never had a problem with it and continue to use it. Can we actually say which file compression software is "best"? I don't think so. We all have our own opinions on the subject, as we have seen the last few days. Regards, Ken Quinn --- avast! Antivirus: Outbound message clean. Virus Database (VPS): 0434-2, 2004-08-20 Tested on: 22/08/2004 11:18:18 AM avast! - copyright (c) 2000-2004 ALWIL Software. http://www.avast.com

I need help again. I have lost my Outlook Express Icon on my screen when I boot up is that my Desk Top. The only way I now look up my Emails is via the little icon on the Task bar. How can I get it back? Marie

You have discovered an often unused feature available in many programs, Jane. If you look carefully at the toolbar on many screens you will see that some of the items have one of the letters in their name unlined - "F" in File; "E" in Edit; "V" in View; "O" in Format; "W" in Windows, etc. Just by pressing the ALT key and any one of those underlined letters will activate the corresponding action the name designates and open the context menu. Then in the context menu you will see there are more unlined letters. So by pressing, say ALT-T-O, it will open the Tools context menu and then open the Options menu within Tools. Many people become quite adept at using keystrokes rather then the mouse and these shortcuts are quick and easy to memorise. Similarly the WIN key in association with various keys can perform many functions. A general list is available here: http://members.shaw.ca/xany/tips/keyboard.html Lance -----Original Message----- From: Jane Gillespie [mailto:gillespie4491@bellsouth.net] Sent: Sunday, 22 August 2004 08:56 To: GEN-COMP-TIPS-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [Gen-Comp-Tips] Searching for a word in E-mail Message Sybil: What happened with me on this was that I was flipped to "File" in upper left corner of OE. Well it is good to know the short cut to that!!! :) Thanks!! Jane --- avast! Antivirus: Outbound message clean. Virus Database (VPS): 0434-2, 2004-08-20 Tested on: 22/08/2004 10:41:50 AM avast! - copyright (c) 2000-2004 ALWIL Software. http://www.avast.com

I am having memory troubles, There is a virus which claims memory...have you run your virus checker Regards, Shirley ----- Original Message ----- From: "Janet Graham Theberge" <jkt54@ktc.com> To: <GEN-COMP-TIPS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, August 22, 2004 1:36 AM Subject: Re: [Gen-Comp-Tips] Dial up Connection > I am having memory troubles, and this is putting a real crimp in my family > research. I keep getting a message stating that I am running out of disk > space. I don't understand how this can be because I have much fewer > programs running on my machine than I had a year ago, and I have doubled my > memory since then. Yesterday, it said I had 2% free space, so I did the > regular disk clean-up as well as going into each users' accounts (there are > five of us) and deleting all "temp" files manually. I managed to free up to > 13% free space, but that's not good enough, I should have SCADS of memory! > I am running Windows XP. Anybody know what gives? > > Janet > > > > ==== GEN-COMP-TIPS Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe from this list send a message to GEN-COMP-TIPS-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM with the word UNSUBSCRIBE in the body of the message. > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > >

Janet Graham Theberge wrote: > > I am having memory troubles, and this is putting a real crimp in my family > research. I keep getting a message stating that I am running out of disk > space. I don't understand how this can be because I have much fewer > programs running on my machine than I had a year ago, and I have doubled my > memory since then. Yesterday, it said I had 2% free space, so I did the > regular disk clean-up as well as going into each users' accounts (there are > five of us) and deleting all "temp" files manually. I managed to free up to > 13% free space, but that's not good enough, I should have SCADS of memory! > I am running Windows XP. Anybody know what gives? > Janet I do not think you have a memory problem, RAM, but that your hard drive is getting too full. I am not an expert but I understand that a HD should have more than 13% free space for optimum operation. The operating system uses the HD to store less frequently used temporary files like census images when the RAM starts getting full. You should get a second HD. Preferably you should make it your C drive as the new HD will probably be larger and faster that your present one. The procedure to do the move was on this list or in a recent issue of PCWorld. bob gillis

pat nix wrote: > > Is it common for dial-up service for you to get dropped off often? I > subscribe to a local telephone company and I'm getting dropped off some > times 6 times an hour. More than that after 4 p.m. From 6pm to 7 pm today > it's been 9 times > Pat, are you are saying that your ISP is your local telephone company? Have you complained to your ISP or to the telephone company? Do you have call waiting? The ISP may be dropping you if you are not active for a period of time. You telephone line may be opening up long enough to drop you and does not automatically reconnect. I would look into a new ISP. bob gillis

The in house coverage is well worth the 4.something a month it costs, because we are seniors and our children are scattered, wee can't rely on them for help and trying to find some one to fix small things in out town is a big problem, be it a plumbing problem or a computer problem, Peggy in Texas

I had a lot of problem with being disconnected one time and it turned out to be the phone line, got that fixed and all is well since. Phone company will be hard to convince and threaten high service call if problem turns out to be inside you house, unless you have in-house coverage. Using something like GetRite will help pick up where left off when interrupted while downloading. Walt Conner >Have you complained to your ISP or to the telephone company?

Thank you, David. I'll give zips another try! Marie -----Original Message----- From: David Creelman [mailto:davidcr@sympatico.ca] Sent: Saturday, August 21, 2004 7:41 PM To: GEN-COMP-TIPS-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [Gen-Comp-Tips] ZipZap- Zipping for the Relatively Inexperienced I'm not sure WinZip or any of the other Zip programs suck. They all work pretty well, but some put their complex features, which are useful for experts, out front. If others use a simpler interface, recommending them here is probably helpful. I tried to learn WinZip as a computer newbie. I used the help files and a comprehensive tutorial, and got completely lost. There were a lot of concepts the less experienced user(me), could not handle. I didn't want to learn about archives, I wanted the darned file smaller. Then a friend told me the simple answer to my problems. 1-Ignore all that Help stuff. 2-Simply right-click on the object you want zipped and choose from the choices available. I don't have WinZip on my computer now so can't give exact instructions. 3-Just choose one of the WinZip options. Agree with the program(it's friendly but demands obedience) and continue till you have a zipped file beside your original one. 4-If this didn't work make another choice next time. It might take you 5 minutes to get it, tops. There aren't that many right-click choices. Opening Zipped Files-If you right-click on an object that is already zipped, you get the choices to open it. Choose the option to open in a folder of the same name, or already have the file in a folder by itself. Otherwise you will mix the unzipped files with unrelated files, disturbing your bliss and that of others who don't like screamed swear words.(Programs can have zillions, figuratively speaking, of files in the zip.) All the zip programs I've used have had this right-click context menu, so I think my suggestion will work for just about any zip program out there. David ----- Original Message ----- From: "Phil Stevens" <joe2phil@drizzle.com> To: <GEN-COMP-TIPS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, August 21, 2004 4:24 PM Subject: Re: [Gen-Comp-Tips] WinZip Sucks , was Which file compression program is best/free? > Hello Marie , I am very happy to see your post !! , I has thinking maybe I > am only ONE of 7 billion people that has trouble with that ' prog ' , > Being reasonable ' alive ' able to dress and feed myself , I figure I could > master a simple zipper prog , But it was not to be ! , I wonder how many > others are hiding , afraid to see the light of ' confession ' > Speak now people , Be not afraid , You will not suffer ! , Phil > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Marie Peer" <peer@mindspring.com> > To: <GEN-COMP-TIPS-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, August 21, 2004 7:19 AM > Subject: RE: [Gen-Comp-Tips] Which file compression program is best/free? > > > > Good Morning Phil and Lance and List, > > > > I've not said anything because Phil has been saying it so well. I simply > > have not been able to make zip files work and WinZip is the program I've > not > > been able to make work. > > > > I've always figured it's just me and decided a couple of years ago that > life > > can go on without zip files. Amazingly it has. > > > > I can not tell you what I did, what didn't work nor other details. I've > > suppressed all of it although psychotherapy might bring it all back if I > > were willing to face the trauma. > > > > I'm grateful to the list for giving me the start of courage to have a go > at > > zip files once more. Phil, shall we start a Support Group for those who > > can't make WinZip work? We could be the founding members. > > > > Marie ==== GEN-COMP-TIPS Mailing List ==== To unsubscribe from this list send a message to GEN-COMP-TIPS-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM with the word UNSUBSCRIBE in the body of the message. ============================== Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.740 / Virus Database: 494 - Release Date: 8/16/2004 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.740 / Virus Database: 494 - Release Date: 8/16/2004

I think some of it depends of where you live, and what phone service your ISP has or which service you use, or maybe which service payment plan you are using with your ISP. and maybe how many modems the ISP has, in my small town of 3200 people, I don't think there is one *ISP in this* town, while there are several in the college town 10 miles away.We are in a rural area of Texas, My ISP does drop me off,at times, and some times it get very annoying, to say the least. But, I use them because they have been here longer than most of the others, and I believe they are the most knowledgeable of the bunch.; they have a payment plan for Seniors, which I am,and they are pleasant to work with. They now are offering DSL, but I don't know that I will change over, as one person stated on this list, I might not have the brass, since we are living on a pension,and it just stretches so far. Peggy in Texas ----- Original Message ----- From: "Maureen S Cassidy" <maureen.s.cassidy@worldnet.att.net> To: <GEN-COMP-TIPS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, August 21, 2004 7:13 PM Subject: Re: [Gen-Comp-Tips] drop- off > I've had dial-up for 6yrs now and have never been disconnected unless the > service was having problems (rare). However I have heard complaints about > this type of thing from people on various mailing lists to which I > subscribe. > > Maureen > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "pat nix" <pnix@accessatc.net> > To: <GEN-COMP-TIPS-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, August 21, 2004 7:02 PM > Subject: [Gen-Comp-Tips] drop- off > > > Is it common for dial-up service for you to get dropped off often? I > subscribe to a local telephone company and I'm getting dropped off some > times 6 times an hour. More than that after 4 p.m. From 6pm to 7 pm today > it's been 9 times > Thanks > Pat > > > > ==== GEN-COMP-TIPS Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe from this list send a message to > GEN-COMP-TIPS-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM with the word UNSUBSCRIBE in the body > of the message. > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > > > ==== GEN-COMP-TIPS Mailing List ==== > Cyndi's List of Genealogy Sites of the Internet: > http://www.cyndislist.com > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > >

I'm not sure WinZip or any of the other Zip programs suck. They all work pretty well, but some put their complex features, which are useful for experts, out front. If others use a simpler interface, recommending them here is probably helpful. I tried to learn WinZip as a computer newbie. I used the help files and a comprehensive tutorial, and got completely lost. There were a lot of concepts the less experienced user(me), could not handle. I didn't want to learn about archives, I wanted the darned file smaller. Then a friend told me the simple answer to my problems. 1-Ignore all that Help stuff. 2-Simply right-click on the object you want zipped and choose from the choices available. I don't have WinZip on my computer now so can't give exact instructions. 3-Just choose one of the WinZip options. Agree with the program(it's friendly but demands obedience) and continue till you have a zipped file beside your original one. 4-If this didn't work make another choice next time. It might take you 5 minutes to get it, tops. There aren't that many right-click choices. Opening Zipped Files-If you right-click on an object that is already zipped, you get the choices to open it. Choose the option to open in a folder of the same name, or already have the file in a folder by itself. Otherwise you will mix the unzipped files with unrelated files, disturbing your bliss and that of others who don't like screamed swear words.(Programs can have zillions, figuratively speaking, of files in the zip.) All the zip programs I've used have had this right-click context menu, so I think my suggestion will work for just about any zip program out there. David ----- Original Message ----- From: "Phil Stevens" <joe2phil@drizzle.com> To: <GEN-COMP-TIPS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, August 21, 2004 4:24 PM Subject: Re: [Gen-Comp-Tips] WinZip Sucks , was Which file compression program is best/free? > Hello Marie , I am very happy to see your post !! , I has thinking maybe I > am only ONE of 7 billion people that has trouble with that ' prog ' , > Being reasonable ' alive ' able to dress and feed myself , I figure I could > master a simple zipper prog , But it was not to be ! , I wonder how many > others are hiding , afraid to see the light of ' confession ' > Speak now people , Be not afraid , You will not suffer ! , Phil > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Marie Peer" <peer@mindspring.com> > To: <GEN-COMP-TIPS-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, August 21, 2004 7:19 AM > Subject: RE: [Gen-Comp-Tips] Which file compression program is best/free? > > > > Good Morning Phil and Lance and List, > > > > I've not said anything because Phil has been saying it so well. I simply > > have not been able to make zip files work and WinZip is the program I've > not > > been able to make work. > > > > I've always figured it's just me and decided a couple of years ago that > life > > can go on without zip files. Amazingly it has. > > > > I can not tell you what I did, what didn't work nor other details. I've > > suppressed all of it although psychotherapy might bring it all back if I > > were willing to face the trauma. > > > > I'm grateful to the list for giving me the start of courage to have a go > at > > zip files once more. Phil, shall we start a Support Group for those who > > can't make WinZip work? We could be the founding members. > > > > Marie

I have Winzip and I have do trouble with it, when I have to zip a file it puts it in the Winzip folders then in a file zipped and a file for unzipped all I do then is move the opened to the folder I want to put it in... I do not use that often and maybe I'm just lucky like most on the list I'm only a computer and software novice... Albert ---- Original Message ----- From: "Phil Stevens" <joe2phil@drizzle.com> To: <GEN-COMP-TIPS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, August 21, 2004 4:24 PM Subject: Re: [Gen-Comp-Tips] WinZip Sucks , was Which file compression program is best/free? > Hello Marie , I am very happy to see your post !! , I has thinking maybe I > am only ONE of 7 billion people that has trouble with that ' prog ' , > Being reasonable ' alive ' able to dress and feed myself , I figure I could > master a simple zipper prog , But it was not to be ! , I wonder how many > others are hiding , afraid to see the light of ' confession ' > Speak now people , Be not afraid , You will not suffer ! , Phil > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Marie Peer" <peer@mindspring.com> > To: <GEN-COMP-TIPS-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, August 21, 2004 7:19 AM > Subject: RE: [Gen-Comp-Tips] Which file compression program is best/free? > > > > Good Morning Phil and Lance and List, > > > > I've not said anything because Phil has been saying it so well. I simply > > have not been able to make zip files work and WinZip is the program I've > not > > been able to make work. > > > > I've always figured it's just me and decided a couple of years ago that > life > > can go on without zip files. Amazingly it has. > > > > I can not tell you what I did, what didn't work nor other details. I've > > suppressed all of it although psychotherapy might bring it all back if I > > were willing to face the trauma. > > > > I'm grateful to the list for giving me the start of courage to have a go > at > > zip files once more. Phil, shall we start a Support Group for those who > > can't make WinZip work? We could be the founding members. > > > > Marie > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Lance [mailto:hty31b5@hotmail.com] > > Sent: Thursday, August 19, 2004 9:29 PM > > To: GEN-COMP-TIPS-L@rootsweb.com > > Subject: RE: [Gen-Comp-Tips] Which file compression program is > > best/free? > > > > > > Thanks for your (interesting) feedback, Phil. Your answer was > > predictable. It is strange that no one else seems to have had those > > problems with WinZip, or if they have had, they haven't reported it. At > > least you seem to be able manage the necessary tasks with Bigspeed so > > that's good. > > > > Lance > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Phil Stevens [mailto:joe2phil@drizzle.com] > > Sent: Friday, 20 August 2004 03:39 > > To: GEN-COMP-TIPS-L@rootsweb.com > > Subject: Re: [Gen-Comp-Tips] Which file compression program is > > best/free? > > > > Hello Lance list and All that asked, Phil here: I was being 'nice'. I > > did not want to get bounced from the list for using foul language. > > So, insert expletive of your choice where I put 'buggy', I found the > > prog to be extremely poor programming. Total lack of support, I could > > not get it to function correctly. After reading the directions fifteen > > time all I could usually get is a Error "Nothing to Do", OR when it > > would zip up something I could not locate where it put it! After a few > > frustrating tries I sent it to Cyberheaven and got PKZip, which worked > > fine, until my Hard drive exploded last month. I now use Bigspeed as it > > is free !! I spent 5-7 hours looking at the various progs, and settled > > for it! Phil > > --- > > avast! Antivirus: Outbound message clean. > > Virus Database (VPS): 0434-1, 2004-08-17 > > Tested on: 20/08/2004 1:28:26 PM > > avast! - copyright (c) 2000-2004 ALWIL Software. > > http://www.avast.com > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== GEN-COMP-TIPS Mailing List ==== > > DO NOT open unexpected file attachments from people, even if you know > them. > > Verify with the sender first. 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