Don't worry Arthur, providing you get your super 8's transferred to video then to DVD and slides to DVD, the next stage will be digital storage on a chip.......then on to micro organisms stored within our body so that we can access them at any time. It won't matter of course as by then everyone will live for ever and be able to tell Family History orally to their 10x great grandchildren who will be living on other planets to leave some room here. Ive depressed myself already! Regards Martin ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arthur & Stella" <starwall@optusnet.com.au> To: <GEN-COMP-TIPS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2004 3:57 AM Subject: @SPAM+++++++++ [Gen-Comp-Tips] WHAT DO WE STORE OUR GOODIES ON. > Yes Terry this appears to be a big problem, I have all > my photo's & family history stored on CD. & had hoped > it would be available for my grandchildren, & their children, > but it looks like this is not the case. & who's to know, > that in 20 years time, there will be anything to read them? > (WHAT DO WE STORE OUR GOODIES ON.)??? > > I took note that 50% of my slides had degenerated over the > last 30 odd years, to a standard that would take to much time > to recover. thank the lord I had taken some black & white photo's > as well! then we come to all those super 8 movies what do we do > with them? But what ever it is we should do it in the next few years. > ever tried to get a spare for that old projector? > > They say even the modern paper & ink has only a life of 10 years. > & our generation thinks it is so clever. I think we should take > a few tips from our ancestors don't you? > > FOOD FOR THOUGHT, Hope some one out there can come up with > a few idea's I think we are all in the same boat with this one. > > Regards Arthur > South Australia > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Teresa" <terry3112@dodo.com.au> > To: <GEN-COMP-TIPS-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2004 4:32 PM > Subject: [Gen-Comp-Tips] WRITING TO CD-R & CD-RW > > > > Adelaide, 31st August 2004 > > > > Dear List, > > > > I read an article in the July issue of Family History Magazine regarding the > > lifespan of CD-Rs. It seems that the dyes in the recording layer fade after > > as little as two years. Rewritable discs use metallic dyes and do not have > > the same problem. Recordable DVDs have the same problem and "such views are > > echoed by the National Archives at Kew", according to the article. > > > > I have been using CD-Rs for my genealogy records, but cannot find much up to > > date information (that I can understand) on the web. > > > > What is the opinion of the list experts. > > > > Regards, Terry > > > > > > ==== GEN-COMP-TIPS Mailing List ==== > > DO NOT open unexpected file attachments from people, even if you know them. Verify with the sender first. This may be your only line of defence, other than AV Software, against mail "viruses" > > > > ============================== > > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > > > > > ==== GEN-COMP-TIPS Mailing List ==== > DO NOT open unexpected file attachments from people, even if you know them. Verify with the sender first. This may be your only line of defence, other than AV Software, against mail "viruses" > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 >

Norton may be Your problem. At one time, my pc was acting the same way. I was able to connect for a short while, and then *poof* i was off the net, if i was able to get there in the first place. Came to find out that one of the files in my AutoLive update was corrupted. After i un installed and then re installed, i was in the clear. The file in question is in the Symantec program folder, namely the LuComServe Application. If You cannot connect to Symantec with Your LiveAuto update feature, then this file is bad and You need to re install. Martyn Peart <martynpeart@optusnet.com.au> wrote:I recently changed from my Dial Up internet connection to Broadband (ADSL) here in Australia. Unfortunately ever since I have struck a frustrating problem that I am unable to solve. The Server provided me with an external D-Link modem and CD which I used to install the software necessary to connect via Broadband. the problem is as follows: Unpredictably (sometimes every few minutes or at other times more infrequently), my computer tells me it is unable to locate the server and hence at this point I am unable to send or receive emails or download web pages. Sometimes the computer re-establishes contact with the Server unaided within a few minutes although most of the time I have to switch off the computer and modem and reboot to re-establish contact. The four lights on the modem (Power, Status, ADSL and USB) remain on when I encounter the problem. I have contacted my Server on many occasions about this problem but they assure me that it is not their fault, that the modem and software are functioning correctly and that the cause is most likely to be the result of some incompatibility with some other software on my computer - it was even suggested that Norton might be to blame but I am reluctant to remove this program. I am wondering if anyone else out there has experienced this problem or can suggest a plan of attack to solve it. Martyn Queensland, Australia

Marytn, >I recently changed from my Dial Up internet connection to Broadband (ADSL) >here in Australia. Unfortunately ever since I have struck a frustrating >problem that I am unable to solve. The Server provided me with an external >D-Link modem and CD which I used to install the software necessary to >connect via Broadband. the problem is as follows: > >Unpredictably (sometimes every few minutes or at other times more >infrequently), my computer tells me it is unable to locate the server and >hence at this point I am unable to send or receive emails or download web >pages. Sometimes the computer re-establishes contact with the Server >unaided within a few minutes although most of the time I have to switch >off the computer and modem and reboot to re-establish contact. The four >lights on the modem (Power, Status, ADSL and USB) remain on when I >encounter the problem. I have contacted my Server on many occasions >about this problem but they assure me that it is not their fault, that the >modem and software are functioning correctly and that the cause is most >likely to be the result of some incompatibility with some other software >on my computer - it was even suggested that Norton might be to blame but I >am reluctant to remove this program. > >I am wondering if anyone else out there has experienced this problem or >can suggest a plan of attack to solve it. First thing you should do is go to the D-Link web page and make sure you have the latest modem drivers for you model. Next, if you still encounter problems, go to the Norton site and make sure your program has the latest updates. If it still exists, try turning off the Norton and see if the problem goes away. Art

Bryan, >I have used Restore Point before with success. However after loading SP2, >when I found out, among other things, that my PAF5 programme takes an age >to load, and that pictures do not load in emails, I thought I would use >Restore Point to repair my computer. Using the point at which I loaded SP2 >it gave the message that it could not cannot restore to that point, I >tried an earlier date and that did not work either. > >What would happen if I deleted Windows XP Service Pack 2 in Control Panel >- Add/Remove programmes? MS has set up a support page for the SP2. http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?pr=windowsxpsp2 Check there and see if you can find an answer. Art

>After scanning a document to email, I found instead of it being in Outlook >Express it was in Word. Pressing send achieved nothing! > >How can I link the Word email function to OE? I bought this new scanner >hoping to send old family photos to family around the world but its not as >easy as that..... Here is the procedure: Distribute a document in e-mail To use this procedure, you must be using Microsoft Outlook, Microsoft Outlook Express, Microsoft Exchange, or any 32-bit e-mail program compatible with the Messaging Application Programming Interface (MAPI). * Open or create the file that you want to send in e-mail as an attachment. * On the File menu, point to Send To, and then click Mail Recipient (as Attachment). * In the To and Cc boxes, enter recipient names separated by semicolons. * To select recipient names from a list, click the To or Cc buttons. * By default, the file's name appears in the Subject box. If you want, you can type your own subject. * If you want, you can include an additional file. Another way would be to scan the document as a graphic file and either embed it into the email or send as an attachment. Hope this helps. Art

Is this the 1851 British census? If so, which three counties are named? Jennifer MacPherson -----Original Message----- From: Macmilch@aol.com [mailto:Macmilch@aol.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2004 9:27 PM To: GEN-COMP-TIPS-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [Gen-Comp-Tips] Loading a CD Census on My Computer I am trying to load the 3 counties LDS 1851 census on to my computer, without much success.> --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.749 / Virus Database: 501 - Release Date: 9/1/2004

You are right Charles, Video are now a thing of the past, where to now? & I bet you, it cost you an arm & a leg to have them transferred. I have over 8 hours of Super 8 film's & to transfer them is beyond me financially. I would stretch a point & have them done if I could find a suitable media, that would last. Most of us know how to store our valued photo's. I for one made an insulated box. from the idea of the old tucker box. But back in the 60's we didn't have air-conditioning in the Northern Territory. & the heat took it's toll. Woe with me. (VBG) Arthur ----- Original Message ----- From: "Charles Harper" <chas_harper59@hotmail.com> To: <GEN-COMP-TIPS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2004 3:52 PM Subject: RE: [Gen-Comp-Tips] WHAT DO WE STORE OUR GOODIES ON. > The slides I took forty years ago have all deteriated likewise the super8 > movies I took thirty years ago. The super8s were transferred on to video > but I wonder how long they will last. > > > From: "Arthur & Stella" <starwall@optusnet.com.au> > Reply-To: GEN-COMP-TIPS-L@rootsweb.com > To: GEN-COMP-TIPS-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [Gen-Comp-Tips] WHAT DO WE STORE OUR GOODIES ON. > Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 12:27:33 +0930 > > Yes Terry this appears to be a big problem, I have all > my photo's & family history stored on CD. & had hoped > it would be available for my grandchildren, & their children, > but it looks like this is not the case. & who's to know, > that in 20 years time, there will be anything to read them? > (WHAT DO WE STORE OUR GOODIES ON.)??? > > I took note that 50% of my slides had degenerated over the > last 30 odd years, to a standard that would take to much time > to recover. thank the lord I had taken some black & white photo's > as well! then we come to all those super 8 movies what do we do > with them? But what ever it is we should do it in the next few years. > ever tried to get a spare for that old projector? > > They say even the modern paper & ink has only a life of 10 years. > & our generation thinks it is so clever. I think we should take > a few tips from our ancestors don't you? > > FOOD FOR THOUGHT, Hope some one out there can come up with > a few idea's I think we are all in the same boat with this one. > > Regards Arthur > South Australia > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Teresa" <terry3112@dodo.com.au> > To: <GEN-COMP-TIPS-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2004 4:32 PM > Subject: [Gen-Comp-Tips] WRITING TO CD-R & CD-RW > > > > Adelaide, 31st August 2004 > > > > Dear List, > > > > I read an article in the July issue of Family History Magazine regarding > the > > lifespan of CD-Rs. It seems that the dyes in the recording layer fade > after > > as little as two years. Rewritable discs use metallic dyes and do not > have > > the same problem. Recordable DVDs have the same problem and "such > views are > > echoed by the National Archives at Kew", according to the article. > > > > I have been using CD-Rs for my genealogy records, but cannot find much up > to > > date information (that I can understand) on the web. > > > > What is the opinion of the list experts. > > > > Regards, Terry > > > > > > ==== GEN-COMP-TIPS Mailing List ==== > > DO NOT open unexpected file attachments from people, even if you know > them. Verify with the sender first. This may be your only line of defence, > other than AV Software, against mail "viruses" > > > > ============================== > > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > > > > > ==== GEN-COMP-TIPS Mailing List ==== > DO NOT open unexpected file attachments from people, even if you know them. > Verify with the sender first. This may be your only line of defence, other > than AV Software, against mail "viruses" > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > > _________________________________________________________________ > It's fast, it's easy and it's free. Get MSN Messenger today! > http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger >

Thanks for that Teresa. I have backed all my data threefold One for each of my adult children. Hoping one survives. But my point is we require some kind of a standard. The problem as I see it, doesn't stop with the dye, there is a glue problem. & we have all heard of exploding CD's, or scratched CD's, or even the programs the data is written on. e.g. I have several files I wrote back in the days of ATARI on a long lost program. they are now useless as I can't read them. And who says that CD's will be around in 20 years remember the 5.5" floppies? how many of us could recover data from them? It seems to me we are progressing backwards? (If that makes any sense) I pulled out my grandfathers WW1 paybook the other day, that had gone through the trenches, & who knows what. from 1914. and would you believe it? it is as legible as the day it was written in 1914. & I can't even recover data I wrote 15 years ago. (Well I could but it would cost me an arm & a leg). We have to think foreword. & make our data as easy for our descendents to read as it is for me to pick up granddads paybook. or we are wasting our time. FOOD FOR THOUGHT! Arthur South Oz Ps I am a born pessimist. but I would love to hear some alternatives. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Teresa" <terry3112@dodo.com.au> To: <GEN-COMP-TIPS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2004 12:40 AM Subject: Re: [Gen-Comp-Tips] WHAT DO WE STORE OUR GOODIES ON. > Adelaide, 1st September 2004 > > Dear Arthur, > > Apparently National Archives are using magnetic tape, according to the article > in Family History magazine, and expect this to last about thirty years. I > don't know how expensive this system is, it might not be within my means. > However it may be worth considering until something better comes along. > > Regards, Terry > > > ==== GEN-COMP-TIPS Mailing List ==== > Cyndi's List of Genealogy Sites of the Internet: > http://www.cyndislist.com > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 >

Maybe this sounds stupid but why not paper? Every so often update a hardcopy and store it in binder where the family can find it. This way family members not familiar with computer/or the programs I use still have access to the family history. Arthur & Stella wrote on 9/1/2004, 7:18 PM: > Thanks for that Teresa. > > I have backed all my data threefold One for each of my adult children. > Hoping one survives. But my point is we require some kind of a standard. > The problem as I see it, doesn't stop with the dye, there is a glue > problem. > & we have all heard of exploding CD's, or scratched CD's, or even the > programs the data is written on. e.g. I have several files I wrote > back in > the days of ATARI on a long lost program. they are now useless as I can't > read them. > And who says that CD's will be around in 20 years remember the 5.5" > floppies? how many of us could recover data from them? > > It seems to me we are progressing backwards? (If that makes any sense) > I pulled out my grandfathers WW1 paybook the other day, that had gone > through the trenches, & who knows what. from 1914. and would you believe > it? it is as legible as the day it was written in 1914. & I can't even > recover > data I wrote 15 years ago. (Well I could but it would cost me an arm & a > leg). > We have to think foreword. & make our data as easy for our descendents to > read as it is for me to pick up granddads paybook. or we are wasting our > time. > > FOOD FOR THOUGHT! > Arthur South Oz > > Ps I am a born pessimist. but I would love to hear some alternatives. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Teresa" <terry3112@dodo.com.au> > To: <GEN-COMP-TIPS-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2004 12:40 AM > Subject: Re: [Gen-Comp-Tips] WHAT DO WE STORE OUR GOODIES ON. > > > > Adelaide, 1st September 2004 > > > > Dear Arthur, > > > > Apparently National Archives are using magnetic tape, according to the > article > > in Family History magazine, and expect this to last about thirty years. > I > > don't know how expensive this system is, it might not be within my > means. > > However it may be worth considering until something better comes along. > > > > Regards, Terry > > > > > > ==== GEN-COMP-TIPS Mailing List ==== > > Cyndi's List of Genealogy Sites of the Internet: > > http://www.cyndislist.com > > > > ============================== > > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > > >

I've been reading all the info on SP2 and just this morning got some info on it from another list I'm on.........WorldStart.com, Computer Tips & Techniques. Here's the addy for that list: www.worldstart.com Here's what they have to say about it this morning: Hold off on installing Windows XP Service pack 2! I know that it's an important update and is much touted in the media, but we're getting bad reports from some who have installed it. For one, it blocks pictures in your email (including our newsletter). It can disable software or make it run differently-even Microsoft admits that it interferes with Norton and McAfee AV and Zone Alarm. See MS Knowledge Base Article #884130 http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?kbid=884130 We will be trouble shooting SP2 so we can offer tips on how to get around these problems, so stay tuned. If you do decide to install it anyway, set a restore point before doing so (see today's Tip to learn how to do this). Doris ----- Original Message ----- From: dolphin213 To: GEN-COMP-TIPS-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2004 11:03 PM Subject: Re: [Gen-Comp-Tips] XP SP2 CD Janet, >Art, I also received my CD today. Have you installed yours? I installed the SP2 when it was released about 2 weeks ago. I have had no problems. :) Art

Adelaide, 1st September 2004 Dear Arthur, Apparently National Archives are using magnetic tape, according to the article in Family History magazine, and expect this to last about thirty years. I don't know how expensive this system is, it might not be within my means. However it may be worth considering until something better comes along. Regards, Terry

Art, I also received my CD today. Have you installed yours? Janet ----- Original Message ----- From: "dolphin213" <dolphin213@cox.net> To: <GEN-COMP-TIPS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2004 6:59 PM Subject: [Gen-Comp-Tips] XP SP2 CD > > I ordered my CD version the same day I posted the availability of it to the > list. > > My CD arrived today. If you ordered it promptly, expect it soon. > > If you have not ordered, I strongly suggest you do so. Here is the link > again. > http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/downloads/updates/sp2/cdorder/en_us/default.mspx > > Art > >

Thanks! Janet ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joan L. Asche" <jasche45133@aol.com> To: <GEN-COMP-TIPS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2004 6:57 PM Subject: Re: [Gen-Comp-Tips] Windows XP Question > Before doing so make sure you have a good popup stopper or you will be > bombarded with them at some of the "free" clip art sites. Also be aware > that some of popups will try and take you to adult materials. > > Just take this from someone who's "been there." > > > > > > dolphin213 wrote on 9/1/2004, 7:50 PM: > > > > > Janet, > > > > If you do a 'google search' on "clip art & free", you will find 3,620,000 > > results that you can download from. I'm sure in that many results, > > you'll > > find something to your liking better than what is offered from the > > Microsoft collection. > > > > Art > > > > > > >Ken, I have a new Compaq computer, MS-XP, MS-Word Version 7. > > >The site you sent is too early for my program. > > > > >

Thanks Art! I will look. Compaq answered the following reply: Dear Janet, I see you are prompted to insert Windows XP CD while accessing Clip Art Gallery. Though the Clip Art Gallery is preinstalled in the computer, you may be prompted to insert the Windows XP CD when the corresponding installation files are not found. I suggest you specify the following location instead of inserting the CD: C:\i386 or C:\Windows I'm still not sure what I'm looking for in Windows XP to download the Clip Art Gallery to Microsoft Word, Version 7.0. Thanks again, Janet ----- Original Message ----- From: "dolphin213" <dolphin213@cox.net> To: <GEN-COMP-TIPS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2004 6:50 PM Subject: Re: [Gen-Comp-Tips] Windows XP Question > > Janet, > > If you do a 'google search' on "clip art & free", you will find 3,620,000 > results that you can download from. I'm sure in that many results, you'll > find something to your liking better than what is offered from the > Microsoft collection. > > Art > > > >Ken, I have a new Compaq computer, MS-XP, MS-Word Version 7. > >The site you sent is too early for my program. > >

I'm not Art but the CD is free, shipping and all. Walt Conner > is there a reason you buy the CD rather than downloading the update from Microsoft's website?

I ordered and received the CD, but it will not do anything. I know the problem isn't with my CD Rom drive, for other CDs do work. What can I do now? LV

Janet, I'm not sure what kind of clip art you are looking for, but the ones supplied by MS are rather mundane. You can find much better ones if you just look a little. Art >Thanks Art! I will look. >Compaq answered the following reply: > >Dear Janet, > >I see you are prompted to insert Windows XP CD while accessing Clip Art >Gallery. > >Though the Clip Art Gallery is preinstalled in the computer, you may be >prompted to insert the Windows XP CD when the corresponding installation >files are not found. I suggest you specify the following location >instead of inserting the CD: > >C:\i386 > >or > >C:\Windows > >I'm still not sure what I'm looking for in Windows XP to download the Clip >Art Gallery to Microsoft Word, Version 7.0. > >Thanks again, Janet >----- Original Message ----- >From: "dolphin213" <dolphin213@cox.net> >To: <GEN-COMP-TIPS-L@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2004 6:50 PM >Subject: Re: [Gen-Comp-Tips] Windows XP Question > > > > > > Janet, > > > > If you do a 'google search' on "clip art & free", you will find 3,620,000 > > results that you can download from. I'm sure in that many results, you'll > > find something to your liking better than what is offered from the > > Microsoft collection. > > > > Art > > > > > > >Ken, I have a new Compaq computer, MS-XP, MS-Word Version 7. > > >The site you sent is too early for my program. > > > >

Janet, >Art, I also received my CD today. Have you installed yours? I installed the SP2 when it was released about 2 weeks ago. I have had no problems. :) Art

Janet, >I hope I haven't missed anything here, but is there a reason you buy the CD >rather than downloading the update from Microsoft's website? I have always >just downloaded them for free, then figured if I ever needed them again, I >could just download them once again. Is my thinking flawed? Yes, you can download them for free but the SP2 is a rather long download even on broadband. (It takes 25+ minutes depending on the site traffic) The advantage to having the CD is if you ever experience a crash and need to re-install windows, you are saved the lengthy downloads. Art

MS has set up a support page for the SP2. http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?pr=windowsxpsp2 Check there and see if you can find an answer. Art >I ordered and received the CD, but it will not do anything. I know the >problem isn't with my CD Rom drive, for other CDs do work. What can I do >now?