Kathy, Thanks for that. After disabling Norton, I was on for about 6 hours yesterday and have been on for about 2 hours so far this morning and so far have had no drop out. If this continues I shall next try enabling Norton and will turn off the Live Update feature as you suggest and see if my good luck continues. I must say it is marvellous to be able to stay on line and not to have to keep rebooting!! Thanks again for your help. Martyn ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kathy" <kastf@yahoo.com> To: <GEN-COMP-TIPS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, September 03, 2004 10:38 PM Subject: Re: [Gen-Comp-Tips] Unable to locate server > Martyn: > The file that caused the problem for me was the LuComServer. Somehow, that file became corrupted and the very first sympton I noticed was that the Live Auto update would not connect most of the time. Then, came the problems with connecting and staying connected. I went through all the programs that I has scheduled to start when I booted up my machine, meaning that I disabled then re enabled them to find where the problem was. > After I un installed Norton, I thought I would be home free. When the problem persisted, I realized that I needed to purge my system of the Symantec files also. After that, I reinstalled Norton, and I have been problem free ever since. That was nearly 2 years ago. [knock on wood] > If you can't re install, no reason to worry. Simply turn the Auto Live update off, leaving Norton itself on to protect your system. I know I said that I re installed everything, but I tend to do things the hard way! > Kathy > > Martyn Peart <martynpeart@optusnet.com.au> wrote: > Hello Kathy, > > Thank you very much for your prompt reply to my query. It is somewhat of a > relief to have found someone else who has had the same problem!! Within the > LiveUpdate folder I have found the following files all bearing the letters > LU: > > LUALL, LuAll.cnt, LuComServer, LuComServerPS.DLL, ludirloc, LUINFO, > LUInit, LUINSTDLL.DLL, and LuResult. I am not sure which of these you are > referring to as the possible culprit!! > > I am able to connect to Symantec with my LiveAuto Update feature and updates > occur automatically almost every day so I am not sure if the file > you refer to is at fault or not. Unfortunately I cannot reinstall the file > immediately > as I can't find any discs for my Norton program which came already installed > on my > computer although I do pay the $30 or so each year for the live update > feature. I will have to get back to my supplier to get the disc. In the > meantime, I have disabled Norton and so far have had no further > interruptions to my connection (nearly 4 hours now) although, as I > indicated in my original email, the interval between the interruptions are > very variable in duration anyway. > > What do you think? > > Martyn > Queensland, Australia > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kathy" > To: > Sent: Friday, September 03, 2004 10:35 AM > Subject: Re: [Gen-Comp-Tips] Unable to locate server > > > > Norton may be Your problem. At one time, my pc was acting the same way. I > was able to connect for a short while, and then *poof* i was off the net, > if i was able to get there in the first place. Came to find out that one of > the files in my AutoLive update was corrupted. After i un installed and then > re installed, i was in the clear. The file in question is in the Symantec > program folder, namely the LuComServe Application. If You cannot connect to > Symantec with Your LiveAuto update feature, then this file is bad and You > need to re install. > > > > Martyn Peart wrote:I recently changed from > my Dial Up internet connection to Broadband (ADSL) here in Australia. > Unfortunately ever since I have struck a frustrating problem that I am > unable to solve. The Server provided me with an external D-Link modem and CD > which I used to install the software necessary to connect via Broadband. the > problem is as follows: > > > > Unpredictably (sometimes every few minutes or at other times more > infrequently), my computer tells me it is unable to locate the server and > hence at this point I am unable to send or receive emails or download web > pages. Sometimes the computer re-establishes contact with the Server unaided > within a few minutes although most of the time I have to switch off the > computer and modem and reboot to re-establish contact. The four lights on > the modem (Power, Status, ADSL and USB) remain on when I encounter the > problem. I have contacted my Server on many occasions about this problem but > they assure me that it is not their fault, that the modem and software are > functioning correctly and that the cause is most likely to be the result of > some incompatibility with some other software on my computer - it was even > suggested that Norton might be to blame but I am reluctant to remove this > program. > > > > I am wondering if anyone else out there has experienced this problem or > can suggest a plan of attack to solve it. > > > > Martyn > > Queensland, Australia > > > > > > > >

In a message dated 9/1/2004 8:41:05 PM US Mountain Standard Time, dolphin213@cox.net writes: MS has set up a support page for the SP2. http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?pr=windowsxpsp2 Check there and see if you can find an answer. Thanks Art. LV

And believe me Maureen there is nothing better then a well written manuscript, but with a hand like mine, one would be thankful for computers. They are the best thing since sliced bread. Yes & I too back every thing up with a hard copy, to my wife's disgust as I have a cupboard full of files. Who says computers saves trees? I often get lost in the forest? <VBG> Regards Arthur ----- Original Message ----- From: "Maureen S Cassidy" <maureen.s.cassidy@worldnet.att.net> To: <GEN-COMP-TIPS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, September 04, 2004 2:39 AM Subject: Re: [Gen-Comp-Tips] WHAT DO WE STORE OUR GOODIES ON. > Bravo for you, Joan. > > We have a fairly well known researcher in Ohio who has at the age of nearly > 80 amassed and published "tons" of work on the Bogardus/Brouwer family lines > (Adam Brouwer was one of my 10th g-grandfathers/New Amsrerdam 1624). He has > never used, wanted nor needed a computer. Admittedly that's rare in this day > and age but it speaks volumes, to me at least. I can't tell from your addy > where you are located so I have no idea whether or not you've heard of him, > but it's certainly worth thinking about. > > I also have books in my home library dating back to the 1920's and > thereabouts.....yellowed with age but otherwise intact and certainly > readable. > > Maureen > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Joan L. Asche" <jasche45133@aol.com> > To: <GEN-COMP-TIPS-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, September 03, 2004 6:06 AM > Subject: Re: [Gen-Comp-Tips] WHAT DO WE STORE OUR GOODIES ON. > > > Paper works for me. > > After having just lost all of my data from a computer crash and not > having a working CD ROM or zip drive to back it up -- had I not had a > paper copy I doubt I would still be doing this hobby, and would not have > started over. > > So needless to say, I trust paper. Since none of my family is > interested in being the keeper of family history, I sent a backup copy > to my cousin who is also interested in our family history. She had to > have a paper copy because she doesn't own a computer and has no plan to > purchase one in the future. > > She has done all of her research the old fashioned way and keeps her > family tree written in ball point pen. > > Believe or not, there are a few people in the world who do not own > computers or have internet accesss. > > I have in my possession a photocopy of a serveral page, well-documented > manuscript done several years ago by a now deceased distant relative who > typed all of his research on a old typewriter on paper. > > Since mine is an ongoing and ever growing hobby I update my paper copy > often. What will happen to my research after I am gone is anybody's > guess but I doubt by that time it won't much matter to me anyway. :) > >

Hi, I am having a problem with Zone Alarm firewall. Since downloading a new version some weeks ago, when I try to link to a web site I get "unable to link to the Web page you requested". I close Zone Alarm & then am able to link to site. My firewall is not doing much good when it is off a lot of the time. Is there a setting in Zone Alarm I can change? Baby steps please. I'm not too swift on computers. TIA Ronda Herd Calloway Athens Tx

Ronda, >I am having a problem with Zone Alarm firewall. Since downloading a new >version some weeks ago, when I try to link to a web site I get "unable to >link to >the Web page you requested". I close Zone Alarm & then am able to link to >site. My firewall is not doing much good when it is off a lot of the >time. Is >there a setting in Zone Alarm I can change? Baby steps please. I'm not too >swift on computers. ZoneAlarm offers instant technical support for all it's products. <quote from the web page> Zone Labs Instant Support is a Web-based Technical Support Agent. The virtual agent is very knowledgeable and can provide you with expert information without waiting for an email response to your request. Zone Labs Instant Support is designed to support the entire Zone Labs Product Family. <unquote> Here is the link: http://tinyurl.com/4dve6 Art

Hi Walt, She of little expertise here; just a question which I am sure you have handled.. When you go to System Restore, there is a System Restore Settings; then System Properties. Under that there are about six tabs and one is System Restore. Under that tab, you can allocate from minimum to maximum disk space for restore points. Is your computer set to the maximum disk space for recording restore points? Marie -----Original Message----- From: Walt Conner [mailto:wconner@onemain.com] Sent: Friday, September 03, 2004 7:58 PM To: GEN-COMP-TIPS-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [Gen-Comp-Tips] XP question I am using XP Home Edition and just discovered that Restore Points are no longer being saved, none. Thanks for any help, Walt Conner --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.745 / Virus Database: 497 - Release Date: 8/27/2004 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.745 / Virus Database: 497 - Release Date: 8/27/2004

There have been some problems reported about running programs after the installation of SP2 on XP systems. Some, but not all, of these problems maybe caused by a little known, unheralded feature known as DEP. DEP is Data Execution Prevention. It is a new feature added with SP2 that is not accessible via the Security Center. It's purpose is to help prevent against damage from viruses and other security threats. If you search the help file for Windows you can read more about it. To gain access, take the following steps. Control Panel > System > Performance and Maintenance > Advanced > Performance Settings > Data Execution Prevention. There are two options there, one of which will allow you to chose programs that you desire and allow them to run. This bypasses the DEP protection for that program ONLY. Each program must be added to the exclusion list individually. NOTE: The default setting should be used for DEP. Only change the setting IF you are experiencing problems running an application. Hope this is of some future help to you. Art

Dear Joan, I too, trust paper. I have my research on CD plus the Computer and also paper. Marie

I am using XP Home Edition and just discovered that Restore Points are no longer being saved, none. Thanks for any help, Walt Conner

G'day, If anyone is like me and totally confused on how to backup before installing XP2 I found the following page very helpful. http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/using/setup/learnmore/bott_03july14.mspx?pf=true I have an OE backup program so that is taken care of and Microsoft says to backup critical information before installing XP2. I would like to do this regularly anyway, just in case, but I don't know how. Apparently XP comes with a backup utility but I couldn't find it. I have XP Home and am told that backup utility doesn't install automatically in this and that I need my XP CD to install it. Unfortunately we are in the middle of moving and I have packed it away into storage. Grrrrr Looks like I'll have to go digging through boxes now. Previously I was backing up my accounting program to CDR for my accountant and after several "duds" my accountant had to talk me through the process. I was doing it all wrong !!! I was supposed to "zip" the data before copying it to CDR. Now I have the dilemma of working out how to copy my FTM data to a CDR that will actually restore if I need it to. The "backup" option in FTM is completely different to my accounting program. I think I have finally worked out that I need to use the "custom directory" option in backing up FTM. Its all soooo technical <sigh> (I have FTM version 6) Also in all the "support" pages I have found they say something about NTFS system, which it seems I have. Is this somehow different? Any help appreciated Kerryn (Australia)

G'day Everyone, I have yet to install the XP2 update. I think its sitting there waiting, but if it did download over a period of time why didn't the "install" box show itself? As I am on dial-up I've been a bit hesitant to go further as yet. What other things does it change besides firewall and virus security? I have both personal firewall (zonealarm-pro) and VET antivirus. Do I need to be in a hurry to install it if this is all that changes? After reading Art's email about ordering the CD, I have done that as well just to have it in case of crashes. regards Kerryn (Australia)

Walt, >I am using XP Home Edition and just discovered that Restore Points are no >longer being saved, none. To turn on System Restore do the following. Start > Right click on My Computer > Properties. Click on the System Restore tab. Uncheck the box to turn System Restore off. Hope this helps. Art

Replied to off-list. >A few moments ago, I just finished an email to you to say that I had >concluded that Norton was at fault and that I was about to re-enable it and >try switching off the Auto Live Update but when I tried to send the email I >discovered that my connection had failed yet again so it seems that Norton >is not at fault after all - back to the drawing board!! > >You may have seen a message to me on the list from Irene saying that she had >a similar problem and contacted D-Link who make the modem and they talked >her through some modifications by phone that seemed to fix the problem. I >am going to try that next unless you have any other ideas?

Martyn >After disabling Norton yesterday, I stayed on line for about 6 hours with no >further problem and have been on again this morning for about 2 hours >without interruption - so...... it seems to me that we have isolated the >cause of the problem to Norton. > >You have probably seen the correspondence between Kathy and myself and after >a few more hours if I get no drop outs I am going to follow her suggestion >and re-enable Norton and switch off the Auto Live Update feature and see if >I still stay connected. > >What do you think? All I can say is try it and see if it works. By the way, is your Norton the latest version? Art

I am in Ohio. Highland County if that helps any. I am not familar with the researcher you have mentioned. But then again this in not my family line. Appreciate your comments. My one pet peeve with the Internet/Computers are the lazy ones who just copy from gedcoms available on the Internet and often times pass on incorrect data. We all know that during our research we find new data that changes our histories, and in many cases the incorrect data continues on into cyberspace because someone was too lazy to do their own research. The LDS site is no better. I found incorrect data regarding my father-in-law and when I contacted the submitter was blasted away by a nasty reply. Never mind that the person in question was my father-in-law, but I had in my files the actual document stating the correct data. The submitter had my in-law sealed into the Mormon church, had them baptisted and a marriage sealed to his first spouse -- a spouse who, in life, he deserted for his second wife! In life, the family belonged to the Luthern Church, and he must be turning over in his grave being sealed to his ex-wife! I don't imagine his first wife would be too pleased either. The second wife, and mother to my late husband, was not mentioned in this person's files. There were three other children fathered by this man and his second wife, and the family line continues with grandchildren and great-grandchildren that may be missed because of this single one submitter. I mean no disrespect to the members of LDS, but this particular case is a perfect example of creating a family history to meet personal needs. Well, I'm off my soapbox. Thanks to all for letting me "vent." Maureen S Cassidy wrote on 9/3/2004, 1:09 PM: > Bravo for you, Joan. > > We have a fairly well known researcher in Ohio who has at the age of > nearly > 80 amassed and published "tons" of work on the Bogardus/Brouwer family > lines > (Adam Brouwer was one of my 10th g-grandfathers/New Amsrerdam 1624). > He has > never used, wanted nor needed a computer. Admittedly that's rare in > this day > and age but it speaks volumes, to me at least. I can't tell from your > addy > where you are located so I have no idea whether or not you've heard of > him, > but it's certainly worth thinking about. > > I also have books in my home library dating back to the 1920's and > thereabouts.....yellowed with age but otherwise intact and certainly > readable. > > Maureen > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Joan L. Asche" <jasche45133@aol.com> > To: <GEN-COMP-TIPS-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, September 03, 2004 6:06 AM > Subject: Re: [Gen-Comp-Tips] WHAT DO WE STORE OUR GOODIES ON. > > > Paper works for me. > > After having just lost all of my data from a computer crash and not > having a working CD ROM or zip drive to back it up -- had I not had a > paper copy I doubt I would still be doing this hobby, and would not have > started over. > > So needless to say, I trust paper. Since none of my family is > interested in being the keeper of family history, I sent a backup copy > to my cousin who is also interested in our family history. She had to > have a paper copy because she doesn't own a computer and has no plan to > purchase one in the future. > > She has done all of her research the old fashioned way and keeps her > family tree written in ball point pen. > > Believe or not, there are a few people in the world who do not own > computers or have internet accesss. > > I have in my possession a photocopy of a serveral page, well-documented > manuscript done several years ago by a now deceased distant relative who > typed all of his research on a old typewriter on paper. > > Since mine is an ongoing and ever growing hobby I update my paper copy > often. What will happen to my research after I am gone is anybody's > guess but I doubt by that time it won't much matter to me anyway. :) > > > > > > > > > Arthur & Stella wrote on 9/3/2004, 3:10 AM: > > > It is not as easy as that Joan. > > > > There is a lot of reports that the paper we now use is acidic > > and only has a life of 10 years likewise the ink we now use. > > I know it will last much longer then that but it is hardly the > > media one would trust with our years of hard work. > > Then we have to get a copy to each of our loved ones. > > > > This is a point that has just come home to me. as I have had > > a very good friend die. & his wife and children are not at all > > interested, in his years of work. > > > > Luckily I was asked to format his drive, so I was able to save > > most of his work. & I got his wife's permission to send his tree > > to the LDS. but what do I do with the rest, until his grandchildren > > come of age? (That is if I am still around then) > > > > Regards Arthur > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Joan L. Asche" <jasche45133@aol.com> > > To: <GEN-COMP-TIPS-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2004 8:56 PM > > Subject: Re: [Gen-Comp-Tips] WHAT DO WE STORE OUR GOODIES ON. > > > > > > > Maybe this sounds stupid but why not paper? > > > > > > Every so often update a hardcopy and store it in binder where the > > family > > > can find it. > > > > > > This way family members not familiar with computer/or the programs I > > use > > > still have access to the family history. > > > > > > Arthur & Stella wrote on 9/1/2004, 7:18 PM: > > > > > > > Thanks for that Teresa. > > > > > > > > I have backed all my data threefold One for each of my adult > > children. > > > > Hoping one survives. But my point is we require some kind of a > > standard. > > > > The problem as I see it, doesn't stop with the dye, there is a > glue > > > > problem. > > > > & we have all heard of exploding CD's, or scratched CD's, or even > > the > > > > programs the data is written on. e.g. I have several files I wrote > > > > back in > > > > the days of ATARI on a long lost program. they are now useless > as I > > can't > > > > read them. > > > > And who says that CD's will be around in 20 years remember the > 5.5" > > > > floppies? how many of us could recover data from them? > > > > > > > > It seems to me we are progressing backwards? (If that makes any > > sense) > > > > I pulled out my grandfathers WW1 paybook the other day, that had > > gone > > > > through the trenches, & who knows what. from 1914. and would you > > believe > > > > it? it is as legible as the day it was written in 1914. & I can't > > even > > > > recover > > > > data I wrote 15 years ago. (Well I could but it would cost me an > > arm & > > a > > > > leg). > > > > We have to think foreword. & make our data as easy for our > > descendents > > to > > > > read as it is for me to pick up granddads paybook. or we are > wasting > > our > > > > time. > > > > > > > > FOOD FOR THOUGHT! > > > > Arthur South Oz > > > > > > > > Ps I am a born pessimist. but I would love to hear some > > alternatives. > > > >

It is not as easy as that Joan. There is a lot of reports that the paper we now use is acidic and only has a life of 10 years likewise the ink we now use. I know it will last much longer then that but it is hardly the media one would trust with our years of hard work. Then we have to get a copy to each of our loved ones. This is a point that has just come home to me. as I have had a very good friend die. & his wife and children are not at all interested, in his years of work. Luckily I was asked to format his drive, so I was able to save most of his work. & I got his wife's permission to send his tree to the LDS. but what do I do with the rest, until his grandchildren come of age? (That is if I am still around then) Regards Arthur ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joan L. Asche" <jasche45133@aol.com> To: <GEN-COMP-TIPS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2004 8:56 PM Subject: Re: [Gen-Comp-Tips] WHAT DO WE STORE OUR GOODIES ON. > Maybe this sounds stupid but why not paper? > > Every so often update a hardcopy and store it in binder where the family > can find it. > > This way family members not familiar with computer/or the programs I use > still have access to the family history. > > Arthur & Stella wrote on 9/1/2004, 7:18 PM: > > > Thanks for that Teresa. > > > > I have backed all my data threefold One for each of my adult children. > > Hoping one survives. But my point is we require some kind of a standard. > > The problem as I see it, doesn't stop with the dye, there is a glue > > problem. > > & we have all heard of exploding CD's, or scratched CD's, or even the > > programs the data is written on. e.g. I have several files I wrote > > back in > > the days of ATARI on a long lost program. they are now useless as I can't > > read them. > > And who says that CD's will be around in 20 years remember the 5.5" > > floppies? how many of us could recover data from them? > > > > It seems to me we are progressing backwards? (If that makes any sense) > > I pulled out my grandfathers WW1 paybook the other day, that had gone > > through the trenches, & who knows what. from 1914. and would you believe > > it? it is as legible as the day it was written in 1914. & I can't even > > recover > > data I wrote 15 years ago. (Well I could but it would cost me an arm & a > > leg). > > We have to think foreword. & make our data as easy for our descendents to > > read as it is for me to pick up granddads paybook. or we are wasting our > > time. > > > > FOOD FOR THOUGHT! > > Arthur South Oz > > > > Ps I am a born pessimist. but I would love to hear some alternatives.

Art, The D-Link driver (1.2.0.4) date on my computer was 7 March 2003. I know that is nearly 18 months old but as I indicated before, Windows could find no newer update after searching the net. Will let you know tomorrow what has happened re connection. Your comments re SP2 are duly noted -many thanks. Martyn ----- Original Message ----- From: "dolphin213" <dolphin213@cox.net> To: <GEN-COMP-TIPS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, September 03, 2004 3:39 PM Subject: Re: [Gen-Comp-Tips] Unable to locate server > > > >Have just been in to the Device manager and the Driver Version is 1.2.0.4 > >and I let the computer do a search for an updated driver and it indicated > >that this was the latest - it doesn't equate with the information from the > >D-Link site (gives version 1.03 as the latest - which from the numbers seems > >to predate 1.2.0.4!!!). However, I am satisfied that I have the latest > >available driver. > > Did you check the dates of the drivers? The numbers are not always a good > indication when it come to drivers. > > >Yes, I have. sometimes it disconnects every 5-10 minutes whilst at other > >times ( but not very often) I can stay on for several hours at a time!! > > OK. Let us know tomorrow of how it is doing! > > >I am using SP1. I have ordered the SP2 disc earlier today although judging > >by what I have read on the list it is not entirely free of its own problems? > > I have been using SP2 without any problems. You just have to be careful > when the system reboots to tell it what to do concerning the firewall, > virus program and updates. Learn to use the new Security Center in the > method that is best for you. Check the web site > here: http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?kbid=842242 > and see if you are running any of the problem programs (and versions) > listed. If you are not, you shouldn't have any problems. > > Art > >

Art, Thanks for the reply. >If you go into Device Manager, it will show a tab for the Driver. It will > show the version number. Since the disc was made after the driver date, I >would assume it would have the newest version. Have just been in to the Device manager and the Driver Version is 1.2.0.4 and I let the computer do a search for an updated driver and it indicated that this was the latest - it doesn't equate with the information from the D-Link site (gives version 1.03 as the latest - which from the numbers seems to predate 1.2.0.4!!!). However, I am satisfied that I have the latest available driver. > >Following your advice, I turned Norton off about 3-4 hours ago and have > >not struck the problem since - mind you, as I indicated before the intervals > >between connection breakages vary considerably so I am not sure as yet if > >the source of the problem really is Norton. > > So far, it seems that it is. Have you been able to stay connected that > long before? Yes, I have. sometimes it disconnects every 5-10 minutes whilst at other times ( but not very often) I can stay on for several hours at a time!! > If you find that with the Norton disabled you are able to stay connected, > then that is the problem. I would un-install Norton. There are several free virus programs that you > can use in the mean time. AVG, avast!, AntiVir, just to name 3. Do a web > search on any of them to see which one you would prefer. Will leave it a bit longer and try again tomorrow to see if the system remains connected before uninstalling Norton. > You didn't mention if you were using SP2 or SP1? If it is SP2 do you have > the virus notification turned on or off? SP1, this would not apply. I am using SP1. I have ordered the SP2 disc earlier today although judging by what I have read on the list it is not entirely free of its own problems? Martyn ----- Original Message ----- From: "dolphin213" <dolphin213@cox.net> To: <GEN-COMP-TIPS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, September 03, 2004 2:50 PM Subject: Re: [Gen-Comp-Tips] Unable to locate server

Don't worry about those characters. Nobody can injure your ancestors that way. Any way! John Ballard ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joan L. Asche" <jasche45133@aol.com> To: <GEN-COMP-TIPS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, September 03, 2004 2:16 PM Subject: Re: [Gen-Comp-Tips] WHAT DO WE STORE OUR GOODIES ON. > > The LDS site is no better. I found incorrect data regarding my > father-in-law and when I contacted the submitter was blasted away by a > nasty reply. Never mind that the person in question was my > father-in-law, but I had in my files the actual document stating the > correct data. > > The submitter had my in-law sealed into the Mormon church, had them > baptisted and a marriage sealed to his first spouse -- a spouse who, in > life, he deserted for his second wife! In life, the family belonged to > the Luthern Church, and he must be turning over in his grave being > sealed to his ex-wife! I don't imagine his first wife would be too > pleased either. > > The second wife, and mother to my late husband, was not mentioned in > this person's files. There were three other children fathered by this > man and his second wife, and the family line continues with > grandchildren and great-grandchildren that may be missed because of this > single one submitter. . Thanks to all for letting me "vent." > Maureen S Cassidy wrote on 9/3/2004, 1:09 PM: > > > Bravo for you, Joan. > > > > We have a fairly well known researcher in Ohio who has at the age of > > nearly > > 80 amassed and published "tons" of work on the Bogardus/Brouwer family > > lines > > (Adam Brouwer was one of my 10th g-grandfathers/New Amsrerdam 1624). > > He has > > never used, wanted nor needed a computer. Admittedly that's rare in > > this day > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Joan L. Asche" <jasche45133@aol.com> > > To: <GEN-COMP-TIPS-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Friday, September 03, 2004 6:06 AM > > Subject: Re: [Gen-Comp-Tips] WHAT DO WE STORE OUR GOODIES ON. > > > > > > Paper works for me. > > > > After having just lost all of my data from a computer crash and not > > having a working CD ROM or zip drive to back it up -- had I not had a > > paper copy I doubt I would still be doing this hobby, and would not have > > started over. > > > > So needless to say, I trust paper. Since none of my family is > > interested in being the keeper of family history, I sent a backup copy > > to my cousin who is also interested in our family history. She had to > > have a paper copy because she doesn't own a computer and has no plan to > > purchase one in the future. > > > > She has done all of her research the old fashioned way and keeps her > > family tree written in ball point pen. > > > > Believe or not, there are a few people in the world who do not own > > computers or have internet accesss. > > > > I have in my possession a photocopy of a serveral page, well-documented > > manuscript done several years ago by a now deceased distant relative who > > typed all of his research on a old typewriter on paper. > > > > Since mine is an ongoing and ever growing hobby I update my paper copy > > often. What will happen to my research after I am gone is anybody's > > guess but I doubt by that time it won't much matter to me anyway. :) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Arthur & Stella wrote on 9/3/2004, 3:10 AM: > > > > > It is not as easy as that Joan. > > > > > > There is a lot of reports that the paper we now use is acidic > > > and only has a life of 10 years likewise the ink we now use. > > > I know it will last much longer then that but it is hardly the > > > media one would trust with our years of hard work. > > > Then we have to get a copy to each of our loved ones. > > > > > > This is a point that has just come home to me. as I have had > > > a very good friend die. & his wife and children are not at all > > > interested, in his years of work. > > > > > > Luckily I was asked to format his drive, so I was able to save > > > most of his work. & I got his wife's permission to send his tree > > > to the LDS. but what do I do with the rest, until his grandchildren > > > come of age? (That is if I am still around then) > > > > > > Regards Arthur > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Joan L. Asche" <jasche45133@aol.com> > > > To: <GEN-COMP-TIPS-L@rootsweb.com> > > > Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2004 8:56 PM > > > Subject: Re: [Gen-Comp-Tips] WHAT DO WE STORE OUR GOODIES ON. > > > > > > > > > > Maybe this sounds stupid but why not paper? > > > > > > > > Every so often update a hardcopy and store it in binder where the > > > family > > > > can find it. > > > > > > > > This way family members not familiar with computer/or the programs I > > > use > > > > still have access to the family history. > > > > > > > > Arthur & Stella wrote on 9/1/2004, 7:18 PM: > > > > > > > > > Thanks for that Teresa. > > > > > > > > > > I have backed all my data threefold One for each of my adult > > > children. > > > > > Hoping one survives. But my point is we require some kind of a > > > standard. > > > > > The problem as I see it, doesn't stop with the dye, there is a > > glue > > > > > problem. > > > > > & we have all heard of exploding CD's, or scratched CD's, or even > > > the > > > > > programs the data is written on. e.g. I have several files I wrote > > > > > back in > > > > > the days of ATARI on a long lost program. they are now useless > > as I > > > can't > > > > > read them. > > > > > And who says that CD's will be around in 20 years remember the > > 5.5" > > > > > floppies? how many of us could recover data from them? > > > > > > > > > > It seems to me we are progressing backwards? (If that makes any > > > sense) > > > > > I pulled out my grandfathers WW1 paybook the other day, that had > > > gone > > > > > through the trenches, & who knows what. from 1914. and would you > > > believe > > > > > it? it is as legible as the day it was written in 1914. & I can't > > > even > > > > > recover > > > > > data I wrote 15 years ago. (Well I could but it would cost me an > > > arm & > > > a > > > > > leg). > > > > > We have to think foreword. & make our data as easy for our > > > descendents > > > to > > > > > read as it is for me to pick up granddads paybook. or we are > > wasting > > > our > > > > > time. > > > > > > > > > > FOOD FOR THOUGHT! > > > > > Arthur South Oz > > > > > > > > > > Ps I am a born pessimist. but I would love to hear some > > > alternatives. > > > > > > > > > >

Hello Robyn, Yes, thanks for that suggestion. Whilst with the help of the List I hope I have found the solution I am also hoping that I don't have to get rid of Norton altogether although that may be the last resort. Kind regards, Martyn Near Bribie Island, Queensland ----- Original Message ----- From: <waymouth@ihug.com.au> To: <GEN-COMP-TIPS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, September 03, 2004 2:42 PM Subject: Re: [Gen-Comp-Tips] Unable to locate server > You can always try another virus protection package if Norton proves to be the > problem. I use AVG currently with apparent success. It's free to domestic > users too. > > Robyn > > > Hello again Art, > > > > Thanks for your response - I promise you this is the last of my problems - > > at this stage anyway!! > > > > I am not sure how to determine what D-link driver I have. When I visited > > the D-Link web page the latest driver for my DSL 302G was Version 1.03 > > dated 21 Nov 2003. The installation disc I received from my server which > > presumably incorporated the driver had Feb 2004 stamped on it so I am > > assuming that the driver is the latest one? > > > > I have checked and found that I have all the latest updates for Norton which > > is automatically live updated anyway. > > > > Following your advice, I turned Norton off about 3-4 hours ago and have > > not struck the problem since - mind you, as I indicated before the intervals > > between connection breakages vary considerably so I am not sure as yet if > > the source of the problem really is Norton. > > > > I have just noted a reply on Gen-Comp-Tips-L from Kathy who indicates that > > she had a similar problem and has suggested a possible cause being a > > corrupted Norton file. You will find my reply to her on the list. > > > > I live in hope that the problem resides with Norton and that it can be fixed > > without losing my virus protection. > > > > Any further advice you have would be much appreciated. > > > > Kind regards, > > > > Martyn > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "dolphin213" <dolphin213@cox.net> > > To: <GEN-COMP-TIPS-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Friday, September 03, 2004 10:06 AM > > Subject: Re: [Gen-Comp-Tips] Unable to locate server > > > > > > > > > > Marytn, > > > > > > >I recently changed from my Dial Up internet connection to Broadband > > (ADSL) > > > >here in Australia. Unfortunately ever since I have struck a frustrating > > > >problem that I am unable to solve. The Server provided me with an > > external > > > >D-Link modem and CD which I used to install the software necessary to > > > >connect via Broadband. the problem is as follows: > > > > > > > >Unpredictably (sometimes every few minutes or at other times more > > > >infrequently), my computer tells me it is unable to locate the server and > > > >hence at this point I am unable to send or receive emails or download web > > > >pages. Sometimes the computer re-establishes contact with the Server > > > >unaided within a few minutes although most of the time I have to switch > > > >off the computer and modem and reboot to re-establish contact. The four > > > >lights on the modem (Power, Status, ADSL and USB) remain on when I > > > >encounter the problem. I have contacted my Server on many occasions > > > >about this problem but they assure me that it is not their fault, that > > the > > > >modem and software are functioning correctly and that the cause is most > > > >likely to be the result of some incompatibility with some other software > > > >on my computer - it was even suggested that Norton might be to blame but > > I > > > >am reluctant to remove this program. > > > > > > > >I am wondering if anyone else out there has experienced this problem or > > > >can suggest a plan of attack to solve it. > > > > > > First thing you should do is go to the D-Link web page and make sure you > > > have the latest modem drivers for you model. > > > > > > Next, if you still encounter problems, go to the Norton site and make > > > sure your program has the latest updates. If it still exists, try > > turning > > > off the Norton and see if the problem goes away. > > > > > > Art > > > > > > > > > > >