Try one of these. Red "x" instead of picture in forwarded email When I get e-mail with pictures and I forward it, the recipient only gets a little "X" in a box. How can I forward this type of e-mail? http://www.worldstart.com/tips/tips.php/543 Unblocking Missing Images Red X from Email Red X, blank pictures in Outlook Express, Yahoo http://www.worldstart.com/tips/tips.php/1867 More Red X Help If you are one of the several that have problems with the dreaded red X, check out some of these possible fixes. http://www.worldstart.com/tips/tips.php/2447 Doris ----- Original Message ----- From: Janet Buck To: [email protected] Sent: Monday, October 09, 2006 8:14 AM Subject: [GEN-COMP-TIPS] THAT RED X AGAIN Hi I have followed Mitsy's instructions, but the red X is still there. I cannot open an image in email. Any ideas please? Thanks, Jan.

Hi Jan I've always believed that the little red x in the square meant that the image had been deleted from wherever it had been originally hosted. In other words if the person who emailed had deleted the picture from their computer there would be nothing for your computer to reveal. I hope that makes sense. Regards Andy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Janet Buck" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, October 09, 2006 2:14 PM Subject: [GEN-COMP-TIPS] THAT RED X AGAIN > Hi > > I have followed Mitsy's instructions, but the red X is still there. I cannot open an image in email. > > Any ideas please? > > Thanks, > Jan. > -------------------------------------- > Having trouble with your subscription? Contact the List Admin at [email protected] > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Hi I have followed Mitsy's instructions, but the red X is still there. I cannot open an image in email. Any ideas please? Thanks, Jan.

Dora have you subscribed to the rootsweb mailing lists for Quakers? Maybe someone there could help with the date issue. I appreciate your dilemma as I have some of these, too. Patricia Page BC Canada

Hi Patricia Thanks for putting that reminder in - I've just re-arranged a few preferences to my liking! Thanks Andy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patricia Page" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, October 09, 2006 6:27 AM Subject: Re: [GEN-COMP-TIPS] include all spouses and stepchildren > Dora > > FTM - go to File, then Preferences, then click on Date tab. You can > set the year for double dates, etc. here. This will take care of the > 1696/7 issue. You can say Bef(ore), Aft(er), or Bet(ween), or even > Abt (about). You may have a problem entering 1581/1590/1608, and I > don't know what you would do about that! Since these seem to be > estimates or guesses, they perhaps don't qualify as facts? > > Patricia Page > BC Canada > >

LOL! Yours, Dora Smith Austin, TX [email protected] ----- Original Message ----- From: "Judy in Ocala" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, October 09, 2006 8:29 AM Subject: Re: [GEN-COMP-TIPS] include all spouses and stepchildren >I don't know. Mine was OK. I was reading mine in chronological order. > Someone asked same question again, and you answered again. But that reply > came after I posted my question. > > Judy in Ocala > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Dora Smith > Sent: Monday, October 09, 2006 8:43 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [GEN-COMP-TIPS] include all spouses and stepchildren > > No problem. I get list mail backwards all of the time. Sometiems I get > teh original post on a thread a full day later than the replies to it. > > It's most puzzling. And I didn't know it was happening with Rootsweb. > It is a problem with Yahoo groups, and with my Anglican church list group > which lives on an independent server someone runs. Any chance our ISP's > are backing up the mail and sending it haphazardly? > > Yours, > Dora Smith > Austin, TX > [email protected] > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Judy in Ocala" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Monday, October 09, 2006 7:31 AM > Subject: Re: [GEN-COMP-TIPS] include all spouses and stepchildren > > >>I see someone else asked the same question and your reply was also my >> morning mail. I just hadn't gotten to it yet. Thanks. >> >> Judy in Ocala >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [email protected] >> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Dora Smith >> Sent: Monday, October 09, 2006 8:16 AM >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: Re: [GEN-COMP-TIPS] include all spouses and stepchildren >> >> Judy, I know how it feels to come in late on a discussion. But I posted >> a >> long very detailed reply to that question yesterday. If it's not too >> much >> trouble, can you please find it it in the list archives at Rootsweb. >> If >> not, I'll dig it out and send it to you. >> >> Yours, >> Dora Smith >> Austin, TX >> [email protected] >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Judy in Ocala" <[email protected]> >> To: <[email protected]> >> Sent: Monday, October 09, 2006 7:06 AM >> Subject: Re: [GEN-COMP-TIPS] include all spouses and stepchildren >> >> >>>I came in on this one -- what are you calling irregular dates? >>> >>> Judy in Ocala >>> >> -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.10.3/395 - Release Date: 7/21/2006

I don't know. Mine was OK. I was reading mine in chronological order. Someone asked same question again, and you answered again. But that reply came after I posted my question. Judy in Ocala -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Dora Smith Sent: Monday, October 09, 2006 8:43 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [GEN-COMP-TIPS] include all spouses and stepchildren No problem. I get list mail backwards all of the time. Sometiems I get teh original post on a thread a full day later than the replies to it. It's most puzzling. And I didn't know it was happening with Rootsweb. It is a problem with Yahoo groups, and with my Anglican church list group which lives on an independent server someone runs. Any chance our ISP's are backing up the mail and sending it haphazardly? Yours, Dora Smith Austin, TX [email protected] ----- Original Message ----- From: "Judy in Ocala" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, October 09, 2006 7:31 AM Subject: Re: [GEN-COMP-TIPS] include all spouses and stepchildren >I see someone else asked the same question and your reply was also my > morning mail. I just hadn't gotten to it yet. Thanks. > > Judy in Ocala > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Dora Smith > Sent: Monday, October 09, 2006 8:16 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [GEN-COMP-TIPS] include all spouses and stepchildren > > Judy, I know how it feels to come in late on a discussion. But I posted > a > long very detailed reply to that question yesterday. If it's not too > much > trouble, can you please find it it in the list archives at Rootsweb. If > not, I'll dig it out and send it to you. > > Yours, > Dora Smith > Austin, TX > [email protected] > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Judy in Ocala" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Monday, October 09, 2006 7:06 AM > Subject: Re: [GEN-COMP-TIPS] include all spouses and stepchildren > > >>I came in on this one -- what are you calling irregular dates? >> >> Judy in Ocala >> > > > > -- > Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.10.3/395 - Release Date: 7/21/2006 > > -------------------------------------- > Having trouble with your subscription? Contact the List Admin at > [email protected] > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > -------------------------------------- > Having trouble with your subscription? Contact the List Admin at > [email protected] > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.10.3/395 - Release Date: 7/21/2006 -------------------------------------- Having trouble with your subscription? Contact the List Admin at [email protected] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I see someone else asked the same question and your reply was also my morning mail. I just hadn't gotten to it yet. Thanks. Judy in Ocala -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Dora Smith Sent: Monday, October 09, 2006 8:16 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [GEN-COMP-TIPS] include all spouses and stepchildren Judy, I know how it feels to come in late on a discussion. But I posted a long very detailed reply to that question yesterday. If it's not too much trouble, can you please find it it in the list archives at Rootsweb. If not, I'll dig it out and send it to you. Yours, Dora Smith Austin, TX [email protected] ----- Original Message ----- From: "Judy in Ocala" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, October 09, 2006 7:06 AM Subject: Re: [GEN-COMP-TIPS] include all spouses and stepchildren >I came in on this one -- what are you calling irregular dates? > > Judy in Ocala > -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.10.3/395 - Release Date: 7/21/2006 -------------------------------------- Having trouble with your subscription? Contact the List Admin at [email protected] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

FTM needs to have dates in a specific format because it uses them to calculate ages, or calculate dates from ages. For example if a tombstone gives the date of death, and the age in years, months, and days, FTM can calculate the birth date FTM can also sort facts/events in chronological order on the facts page and in custom reports.. It needs consistency of format to do both of those things Judy in Ocala -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Dora Smith Sent: Monday, October 09, 2006 1:29 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [GEN-COMP-TIPS] include all spouses and stepchildren Thanks for telling me this. When I called FTM customer support and asked, they told me differently. However, a number of programs just import the date as you wrote it without categorizing and messing with it. Yours, Dora Smith Austin, TX [email protected] ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peggy Ann Vipond" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, October 08, 2006 11:44 PM Subject: Re: [GEN-COMP-TIPS] include all spouses and stepchildren > Hi Dora > I have FTM Ver 16. The following dates are accepted > > 22 Feb 1636/37 > > bef 12 Jan 1807 > > aft 1810 > > Bet. Jan 23 - Jun 04, 1819 > > You can do 3 date facts for 1581/ 1590/ 1608 and 1680, 23 Jun 1681, or 5 > Aug 1681 They are not hidden in the notes but right on the facts > page. > I am sure they would not import and would have to be done individually. > > I think that is true of all software. They each do it different. I am > not able to import Quicken into Peachtree. It will import most but not > all > info. > > Peggy > > -------------------------------------- > Having trouble with your subscription? Contact the List Admin at > [email protected] > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.10.3/395 - Release Date: 7/21/2006 -------------------------------------- Having trouble with your subscription? Contact the List Admin at [email protected] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

FTM will handle everything you've described except Quaker dates. Many people have Quaker roots. FTM is aware of this problem. As someone else suggested earlier, a concise enhancement request explaining what you want and how you would use it, can be submitted to the developers. Dual dates are accommodated by going to File/Preferences/Dates and checking the box for Double Dates. Ranges between dates can also be entered: Betw. 23 Jun 1681 - 5 Aug 1681. If you have multiple (conflicting) dates for an event, you can add the event more than once. I have at least 3 different birth dates for my GGM. I have determined which one is most likely correct and marked it Preferred. The others are listed as additional facts. By doing it this way, I can document the source of each date I have. If I don't know, or can't determine, which one is correct, I would say born Betw. 23 Jun 1681 - 5 Aug 1681 and indicate that this range is based on a compendium of sources, all of which are itemized as additional facts. Judy in Ocala -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Dora Smith Sent: Monday, October 09, 2006 12:11 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [GEN-COMP-TIPS] include all spouses and stepchildren FTM cant even accept the most basic kind of irregular dates, which is dual dates, like 22 Feb 1636/37. That was the old fashioned way of writing dates during the winter months, partly on account of a gap between a previous method of counting the months of the year and the current method. People actually weren't sure what year it was. LOL! Dates from that period confuse people so badly that they are often garbled, so I preserve all of the information I get. An example of why that is important is actually in the example I provided. The son of Eli who is my ancestor is poorly placed in that family. He inherited land between that of his two brothers, is as nearly as I ever got to proving who his parents were! The census and his gravestone both say he was born in 1804. His birth was never recorded in teh Quaker meeting records anywhere in his locality. Eli's first wife died in something like 3 11th month 1803. Quaker dates used the old system I referred to above. THe months didn't have names, they had numbers, and the numbering was either two months ahead or two months behind our current system of months. Eli didn't marry again until 1806. So was he living in sin for two years? For sure his meeting and his family seldom saw him! I don't think so. I think that Ezra was born in on the 3rd of January, 1804, and his mother died of childbirth. You and I can't get the year right when we write the date on the 3rd of January, and it may really have been 1803 in the old dating system, and in 1804 the person responsible for writing it down in the Quaker meeting record could have conceivably not had it straight which year it properly was in the old dating system. Of course, by now, the transcriptions of the Quaker meeting records and transcriptions of those and so on are garbled too, so sometimes I've seen it as 3 11th month 1803, and sometimes I've seen it as 11, 3rd month, 1803, and they could both conceivably mean January 1804. Writing down the exact information I was given fails to multiply the confusion. Other systematically irregular dates are bef 12 Jan 1807, aft 1810, and betw 23 Jan and 4 Jun 1819. FTM can't accept them either. Some other genealogy programs accept them as written, and one that I know of simplifies them to its idea of a shorter format. Sometimes good genealogical sources have multiple dates of life events, and it's important for future researchers to see all of them to be able to match a person in the database with someone they might see in a source they're looking up. That is particularly true of people who emigrated from England to New England during the 17th century. I have a number of ancestors with three widely varying estimates of year of birth. 1581/ 1590/ 1608. Not by coincidence these are common names, so it's particularly important to turn up whatever date information I do have in the search feature and the indexing (which prints what it prints from the date fields and not your notes). For instance, George Allen and George Bishop. Sometimes it is not possible to resolve a conflict between dates of different formats. 1680, 23 Jun 1681, or 5 Aug 1681. If that's what I have, that's what I enter. I don't randomely pick one and stick the others out of sight in the notes! That sometimes happens even in French Canadian genealogy, which is based on extremely accurate and well preserved record keeping. The majority of popular genealogy programs now accept irregular dates exactly as you entered them. Just not FTM. A customer service person at FTM told me I can reenter my entire 14,800 person database and put the dates in the notes. Yours, Dora Smith Austin, TX [email protected] ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peggy Ann Vipond" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, October 08, 2006 10:42 PM Subject: Re: [GEN-COMP-TIPS] include all spouses and stepchildren > Hi Dora > What do you call an irregular date. Please give several samples > > Thanks Peggy > > >> I'd love to try it - but FTM won't be of any use to me until they fix >> their >> issue with irregular dates. > > -------------------------------------- > Having trouble with your subscription? 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Dora if you Google Quaker Dates|dating I think you will find that the Quakers, at least here in the USA, while using the old numbered months system, had changed over by 1800 to Jan 1 as the start of the new year. They did not continue using Mar 23 or 25 as the start of the new year. So the first month would have been January, and the 11 month would have been November. I doubt that Quakers would have used the Mar date as it was a religious date. bob gillis Dora Smith wrote: >FTM cant even accept the most basic kind of irregular dates, which is dual >dates, like 22 Feb 1636/37. That was the old fashioned way of writing >dates during the winter months, partly on account of a gap between a >previous method of counting the months of the year and the current method. >People actually weren't sure what year it was. LOL! Dates from that >period confuse people so badly that they are often garbled, so I preserve >all of the information I get. > >An example of why that is important is actually in the example I provided. >The son of Eli who is my ancestor is poorly placed in that family. He >inherited land between that of his two brothers, is as nearly as I ever got >to proving who his parents were! The census and his gravestone both say >he was born in 1804. His birth was never recorded in teh Quaker meeting >records anywhere in his locality. Eli's first wife died in something like >3 11th month 1803. Quaker dates used the old system I referred to above. >THe months didn't have names, they had numbers, and the numbering was either >two months ahead or two months behind our current system of months. > >Eli didn't marry again until 1806. So was he living in sin for two years? >For sure his meeting and his family seldom saw him! > >I don't think so. I think that Ezra was born in on the 3rd of January, >1804, and his mother died of childbirth. You and I can't get the year >right when we write the date on the 3rd of January, and it may really have >been 1803 in the old dating system, and in 1804 the person responsible for >writing it down in the Quaker meeting record could have conceivably not had >it straight which year it properly was in the old dating system. > >Of course, by now, the transcriptions of the Quaker meeting records and >transcriptions of those and so on are garbled too, so sometimes I've seen it >as 3 11th month 1803, and sometimes I've seen it as 11, 3rd month, 1803, and >they could both conceivably mean January 1804. > >Writing down the exact information I was given fails to multiply the >confusion. > >Other systematically irregular dates are bef 12 Jan 1807, aft 1810, and betw >23 Jan and 4 Jun 1819. FTM can't accept them either. Some other >genealogy programs accept them as written, and one that I know of simplifies >them to its idea of a shorter format. > >Sometimes good genealogical sources have multiple dates of life events, and >it's important for future researchers to see all of them to be able to match >a person in the database with someone they might see in a source they're >looking up. That is particularly true of people who emigrated from England >to New England during the 17th century. I have a number of ancestors with >three widely varying estimates of year of birth. 1581/ 1590/ 1608. Not >by coincidence these are common names, so it's particularly important to >turn up whatever date information I do have in the search feature and the >indexing (which prints what it prints from the date fields and not your >notes). For instance, George Allen and George Bishop. > >Sometimes it is not possible to resolve a conflict between dates of >different formats. 1680, 23 Jun 1681, or 5 Aug 1681. If that's what I >have, that's what I enter. I don't randomely pick one and stick the others >out of sight in the notes! That sometimes happens even in French Canadian >genealogy, which is based on extremely accurate and well preserved record >keeping. > >The majority of popular genealogy programs now accept irregular dates >exactly as you entered them. Just not FTM. > >A customer service person at FTM told me I can reenter my entire 14,800 >person database and put the dates in the notes. > >Yours, >Dora Smith >Austin, TX >[email protected] >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Peggy Ann Vipond" <[email protected]> >To: <[email protected]> >Sent: Sunday, October 08, 2006 10:42 PM >Subject: Re: [GEN-COMP-TIPS] include all spouses and stepchildren > > > > >>Hi Dora >>What do you call an irregular date. Please give several samples >> >>Thanks Peggy >> >> >> >> >>>I'd love to try it - but FTM won't be of any use to me until they fix >>>their >>>issue with irregular dates. >>> >>> >>-------------------------------------- >>Having trouble with your subscription? Contact the List Admin at >>[email protected] >>------------------------------- >>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>[email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> > > > > >

I came in on this one -- what are you calling irregular dates? Judy in Ocala -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Dora Smith Sent: Sunday, October 08, 2006 11:40 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [GEN-COMP-TIPS] include all spouses and stepchildren I'd love to try it - but FTM won't be of any use to me until they fix their issue with irregular dates. :) Yours, Dora Smith Austin, TX [email protected]

It changed in 1800, huh? Smile. Do you think everyone in rural small meetings both knew that, and remembered which date to write on January 3, 1804? Useful information, and actually supports my suspicion. Grin! But I bet that on Jan 3, 2006, you had no problem with writing 2005 instead. You've always got it down! Wish I did... I'm the person who got labelled pathetic by a former boss for being unable to turn in a timesheet free of errors. Sounds like you'd have called me pathetic too. And I know I'm not alone. At the banks we don't even have to rewrite checks we misdate by a year at the beginning of January. It's a mistake everyone makes. The banks know that. Yours, Dora Smith Austin, TX [email protected] ----- Original Message ----- From: "bob gillis" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, October 09, 2006 7:13 AM Subject: Re: [GEN-COMP-TIPS] Quaker Dates was [include all spouses and stepchildren] > Dora if you Google Quaker Dates|dating I think you will find that the > Quakers, at least here in the USA, while using the old numbered months > system, had changed over by 1800 to Jan 1 as the start of the new year. > They did not continue using Mar 23 or 25 as the start of the new year. > > So the first month would have been January, and the 11 month would have > been November. > > I doubt that Quakers would have used the Mar date as it was a religious > date. > > bob gillis > > Dora Smith wrote: > >>FTM cant even accept the most basic kind of irregular dates, which is dual >>dates, like 22 Feb 1636/37. That was the old fashioned way of writing >>dates during the winter months, partly on account of a gap between a >>previous method of counting the months of the year and the current method. >>People actually weren't sure what year it was. LOL! Dates from that >>period confuse people so badly that they are often garbled, so I preserve >>all of the information I get. >> >>An example of why that is important is actually in the example I provided. >>The son of Eli who is my ancestor is poorly placed in that family. He >>inherited land between that of his two brothers, is as nearly as I ever >>got >>to proving who his parents were! The census and his gravestone both say >>he was born in 1804. His birth was never recorded in teh Quaker meeting >>records anywhere in his locality. Eli's first wife died in something >>like >>3 11th month 1803. Quaker dates used the old system I referred to above. >>THe months didn't have names, they had numbers, and the numbering was >>either >>two months ahead or two months behind our current system of months. >> >>Eli didn't marry again until 1806. So was he living in sin for two >>years? >>For sure his meeting and his family seldom saw him! >> >>I don't think so. I think that Ezra was born in on the 3rd of January, >>1804, and his mother died of childbirth. You and I can't get the year >>right when we write the date on the 3rd of January, and it may really have >>been 1803 in the old dating system, and in 1804 the person responsible for >>writing it down in the Quaker meeting record could have conceivably not >>had >>it straight which year it properly was in the old dating system. >> >>Of course, by now, the transcriptions of the Quaker meeting records and >>transcriptions of those and so on are garbled too, so sometimes I've seen >>it >>as 3 11th month 1803, and sometimes I've seen it as 11, 3rd month, 1803, >>and >>they could both conceivably mean January 1804. >> >>Writing down the exact information I was given fails to multiply the >>confusion. >> >>Other systematically irregular dates are bef 12 Jan 1807, aft 1810, and >>betw >>23 Jan and 4 Jun 1819. FTM can't accept them either. Some other >>genealogy programs accept them as written, and one that I know of >>simplifies >>them to its idea of a shorter format. >> >>Sometimes good genealogical sources have multiple dates of life events, >>and >>it's important for future researchers to see all of them to be able to >>match >>a person in the database with someone they might see in a source they're >>looking up. That is particularly true of people who emigrated from >>England >>to New England during the 17th century. I have a number of ancestors >>with >>three widely varying estimates of year of birth. 1581/ 1590/ 1608. >>Not >>by coincidence these are common names, so it's particularly important to >>turn up whatever date information I do have in the search feature and the >>indexing (which prints what it prints from the date fields and not your >>notes). For instance, George Allen and George Bishop. >> >>Sometimes it is not possible to resolve a conflict between dates of >>different formats. 1680, 23 Jun 1681, or 5 Aug 1681. If that's what I >>have, that's what I enter. I don't randomely pick one and stick the >>others >>out of sight in the notes! That sometimes happens even in French >>Canadian >>genealogy, which is based on extremely accurate and well preserved record >>keeping. >> >>The majority of popular genealogy programs now accept irregular dates >>exactly as you entered them. Just not FTM. >> >>A customer service person at FTM told me I can reenter my entire 14,800 >>person database and put the dates in the notes. >> >>Yours, >>Dora Smith >>Austin, TX >>[email protected] >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: "Peggy Ann Vipond" <[email protected]> >>To: <[email protected]> >>Sent: Sunday, October 08, 2006 10:42 PM >>Subject: Re: [GEN-COMP-TIPS] include all spouses and stepchildren >> >> >> >> >>>Hi Dora >>>What do you call an irregular date. Please give several samples >>> >>>Thanks Peggy >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>I'd love to try it - but FTM won't be of any use to me until they fix >>>>their >>>>issue with irregular dates. >>>> >>>> >>>-------------------------------------- >>>Having trouble with your subscription? Contact the List Admin at >>>[email protected] >>>------------------------------- >>>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>[email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without >>>the >>>quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> > > > -------------------------------------- > Having trouble with your subscription? Contact the List Admin at > [email protected] > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.10.3/395 - Release Date: 7/21/2006

No problem. I get list mail backwards all of the time. Sometiems I get teh original post on a thread a full day later than the replies to it. It's most puzzling. And I didn't know it was happening with Rootsweb. It is a problem with Yahoo groups, and with my Anglican church list group which lives on an independent server someone runs. Any chance our ISP's are backing up the mail and sending it haphazardly? Yours, Dora Smith Austin, TX [email protected] ----- Original Message ----- From: "Judy in Ocala" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, October 09, 2006 7:31 AM Subject: Re: [GEN-COMP-TIPS] include all spouses and stepchildren >I see someone else asked the same question and your reply was also my > morning mail. I just hadn't gotten to it yet. Thanks. > > Judy in Ocala > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Dora Smith > Sent: Monday, October 09, 2006 8:16 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [GEN-COMP-TIPS] include all spouses and stepchildren > > Judy, I know how it feels to come in late on a discussion. But I posted > a > long very detailed reply to that question yesterday. If it's not too > much > trouble, can you please find it it in the list archives at Rootsweb. If > not, I'll dig it out and send it to you. > > Yours, > Dora Smith > Austin, TX > [email protected] > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Judy in Ocala" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Monday, October 09, 2006 7:06 AM > Subject: Re: [GEN-COMP-TIPS] include all spouses and stepchildren > > >>I came in on this one -- what are you calling irregular dates? >> >> Judy in Ocala >> > > > > -- > Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.10.3/395 - Release Date: 7/21/2006 > > -------------------------------------- > Having trouble with your subscription? Contact the List Admin at > [email protected] > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > -------------------------------------- > Having trouble with your subscription? Contact the List Admin at > [email protected] > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.10.3/395 - Release Date: 7/21/2006

That should really be left to the user. I personally do not need or want my program to calculate ages, and in the case where the birth date is uncertain, only the ages the ancestor gave at various events in his life, which is most often how a group of birth years like 1580/1583/1589 were arrived at, have any meaning. But thanks for pointing that out. However, if FTM allows Betw 1580 - 1589 or however that was put, it already has an algorithm to select which birth dates it is able to use to calculate ages. Yours, Dora Smith Austin, TX [email protected] ----- Original Message ----- From: "Judy in Ocala" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, October 09, 2006 7:23 AM Subject: Re: [GEN-COMP-TIPS] include all spouses and stepchildren > FTM needs to have dates in a specific format because it uses them to > calculate ages, or calculate dates from ages. For example if a tombstone > gives the date of death, and the age in years, months, and days, FTM can > calculate the birth date > > FTM can also sort facts/events in chronological order on the facts page > and > in custom reports.. It needs consistency of format to do both of those > things > > Judy in Ocala > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Dora Smith > Sent: Monday, October 09, 2006 1:29 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [GEN-COMP-TIPS] include all spouses and stepchildren > > Thanks for telling me this. When I called FTM customer support and > asked, > they told me differently. > > However, a number of programs just import the date as you wrote it without > categorizing and messing with it. > > Yours, > Dora Smith > Austin, TX > [email protected] > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Peggy Ann Vipond" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Sunday, October 08, 2006 11:44 PM > Subject: Re: [GEN-COMP-TIPS] include all spouses and stepchildren > > >> Hi Dora >> I have FTM Ver 16. The following dates are accepted >> >> 22 Feb 1636/37 >> >> bef 12 Jan 1807 >> >> aft 1810 >> >> Bet. Jan 23 - Jun 04, 1819 >> >> You can do 3 date facts for 1581/ 1590/ 1608 and 1680, 23 Jun 1681, or 5 >> Aug 1681 They are not hidden in the notes but right on the facts >> page. >> I am sure they would not import and would have to be done individually. >> >> I think that is true of all software. They each do it different. I >> am >> not able to import Quicken into Peachtree. It will import most but not >> all >> info. >> >> Peggy >> >> -------------------------------------- >> Having trouble with your subscription? Contact the List Admin at >> [email protected] >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the > >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > > -- > Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.10.3/395 - Release Date: 7/21/2006 > > -------------------------------------- > Having trouble with your subscription? Contact the List Admin at > [email protected] > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > -------------------------------------- > Having trouble with your subscription? Contact the List Admin at > [email protected] > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.10.3/395 - Release Date: 7/21/2006

Well, I'm not going to get further with FTM without testing some of these things - I'll try to pick up the program today. Yours, Dora Smith Austin, TX [email protected] ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andy Hedgcock" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, October 09, 2006 4:55 AM Subject: Re: [GEN-COMP-TIPS] include all spouses and stepchildren > Hi Patricia > Thanks for putting that reminder in - I've just re-arranged a few > preferences to my liking! > Thanks > Andy > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Patricia Page" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Monday, October 09, 2006 6:27 AM > Subject: Re: [GEN-COMP-TIPS] include all spouses and stepchildren > > >> Dora >> >> FTM - go to File, then Preferences, then click on Date tab. You can >> set the year for double dates, etc. here. This will take care of the >> 1696/7 issue. You can say Bef(ore), Aft(er), or Bet(ween), or even >> Abt (about). You may have a problem entering 1581/1590/1608, and I >> don't know what you would do about that! Since these seem to be >> estimates or guesses, they perhaps don't qualify as facts? >> >> Patricia Page >> BC Canada >> >> > > > > -------------------------------------- > Having trouble with your subscription? Contact the List Admin at > [email protected] > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.10.3/395 - Release Date: 7/21/2006

Judy, I know how it feels to come in late on a discussion. But I posted a long very detailed reply to that question yesterday. If it's not too much trouble, can you please find it it in the list archives at Rootsweb. If not, I'll dig it out and send it to you. Yours, Dora Smith Austin, TX [email protected] ----- Original Message ----- From: "Judy in Ocala" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, October 09, 2006 7:06 AM Subject: Re: [GEN-COMP-TIPS] include all spouses and stepchildren >I came in on this one -- what are you calling irregular dates? > > Judy in Ocala > -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.10.3/395 - Release Date: 7/21/2006

Sometimes ancestors have multiple dates that various sources over time have associated wtih them. Lose one of them, and you lose the ability to find the ancestor from a source that uses that date. Yours, Dora Smith Austin, TX [email protected] ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patricia Page" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, October 09, 2006 12:27 AM Subject: Re: [GEN-COMP-TIPS] include all spouses and stepchildren > Dora > > FTM - go to File, then Preferences, then click on Date tab. You can > set the year for double dates, etc. here. This will take care of the > 1696/7 issue. You can say Bef(ore), Aft(er), or Bet(ween), or even > Abt (about). You may have a problem entering 1581/1590/1608, and I > don't know what you would do about that! Since these seem to be > estimates or guesses, they perhaps don't qualify as facts? > > Patricia Page > BC Canada > > > > -------------------------------------- > Having trouble with your subscription? Contact the List Admin at > [email protected] > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.10.3/395 - Release Date: 7/21/2006

Thanks for telling me this. When I called FTM customer support and asked, they told me differently. However, a number of programs just import the date as you wrote it without categorizing and messing with it. Yours, Dora Smith Austin, TX [email protected] ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peggy Ann Vipond" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, October 08, 2006 11:44 PM Subject: Re: [GEN-COMP-TIPS] include all spouses and stepchildren > Hi Dora > I have FTM Ver 16. The following dates are accepted > > 22 Feb 1636/37 > > bef 12 Jan 1807 > > aft 1810 > > Bet. Jan 23 - Jun 04, 1819 > > You can do 3 date facts for 1581/ 1590/ 1608 and 1680, 23 Jun 1681, or 5 > Aug 1681 They are not hidden in the notes but right on the facts > page. > I am sure they would not import and would have to be done individually. > > I think that is true of all software. They each do it different. I am > not able to import Quicken into Peachtree. It will import most but not > all > info. > > Peggy > > -------------------------------------- > Having trouble with your subscription? Contact the List Admin at > [email protected] > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.10.3/395 - Release Date: 7/21/2006

FTM cant even accept the most basic kind of irregular dates, which is dual dates, like 22 Feb 1636/37. That was the old fashioned way of writing dates during the winter months, partly on account of a gap between a previous method of counting the months of the year and the current method. People actually weren't sure what year it was. LOL! Dates from that period confuse people so badly that they are often garbled, so I preserve all of the information I get. An example of why that is important is actually in the example I provided. The son of Eli who is my ancestor is poorly placed in that family. He inherited land between that of his two brothers, is as nearly as I ever got to proving who his parents were! The census and his gravestone both say he was born in 1804. His birth was never recorded in teh Quaker meeting records anywhere in his locality. Eli's first wife died in something like 3 11th month 1803. Quaker dates used the old system I referred to above. THe months didn't have names, they had numbers, and the numbering was either two months ahead or two months behind our current system of months. Eli didn't marry again until 1806. So was he living in sin for two years? For sure his meeting and his family seldom saw him! I don't think so. I think that Ezra was born in on the 3rd of January, 1804, and his mother died of childbirth. You and I can't get the year right when we write the date on the 3rd of January, and it may really have been 1803 in the old dating system, and in 1804 the person responsible for writing it down in the Quaker meeting record could have conceivably not had it straight which year it properly was in the old dating system. Of course, by now, the transcriptions of the Quaker meeting records and transcriptions of those and so on are garbled too, so sometimes I've seen it as 3 11th month 1803, and sometimes I've seen it as 11, 3rd month, 1803, and they could both conceivably mean January 1804. Writing down the exact information I was given fails to multiply the confusion. Other systematically irregular dates are bef 12 Jan 1807, aft 1810, and betw 23 Jan and 4 Jun 1819. FTM can't accept them either. Some other genealogy programs accept them as written, and one that I know of simplifies them to its idea of a shorter format. Sometimes good genealogical sources have multiple dates of life events, and it's important for future researchers to see all of them to be able to match a person in the database with someone they might see in a source they're looking up. That is particularly true of people who emigrated from England to New England during the 17th century. I have a number of ancestors with three widely varying estimates of year of birth. 1581/ 1590/ 1608. Not by coincidence these are common names, so it's particularly important to turn up whatever date information I do have in the search feature and the indexing (which prints what it prints from the date fields and not your notes). For instance, George Allen and George Bishop. Sometimes it is not possible to resolve a conflict between dates of different formats. 1680, 23 Jun 1681, or 5 Aug 1681. If that's what I have, that's what I enter. I don't randomely pick one and stick the others out of sight in the notes! That sometimes happens even in French Canadian genealogy, which is based on extremely accurate and well preserved record keeping. The majority of popular genealogy programs now accept irregular dates exactly as you entered them. Just not FTM. A customer service person at FTM told me I can reenter my entire 14,800 person database and put the dates in the notes. Yours, Dora Smith Austin, TX [email protected] ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peggy Ann Vipond" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, October 08, 2006 10:42 PM Subject: Re: [GEN-COMP-TIPS] include all spouses and stepchildren > Hi Dora > What do you call an irregular date. Please give several samples > > Thanks Peggy > > >> I'd love to try it - but FTM won't be of any use to me until they fix >> their >> issue with irregular dates. > > -------------------------------------- > Having trouble with your subscription? Contact the List Admin at > [email protected] > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.10.3/395 - Release Date: 7/21/2006