Semms I don't spell to go either. gene

John, just one problem---this computer illeriate doesn't know how to make a Gedcom file. Even after reading about importing a Gedcom file.....I still don't comprehend. But I do love candy.

Hi Judy Will Vista not use the antivirus program that you used before you got Vista. Peggy > Hi Gary > I backed up everything important...So far I love Vista...I found two Beta > anti virus programs. Mc Afee and a program called ClamWin..... > Judy

FTM will do this in a descendant report, but ancestor reports include only blood relations. My great-grandfather had three children by his second wife. If I do a descendant report, both wives and all children are displayed. If I do an Ahnentafel, only the first wife and children are shown, because only they are my direct ancestors. Judy in Ocala -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Dora Smith Sent: Monday, October 09, 2006 11:15 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [GEN-COMP-TIPS] include all spouses and stepchildren inancestorreports Patricia: I got FTM today to give it a try. The All in One tree is just a box chart. I'm looking for a narrative ancestor or ahnentafel report that will print the step children. Yours, Dora Smith Austin, TX [email protected] ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patricia Page" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, October 08, 2006 3:25 PM Subject: Re: [GEN-COMP-TIPS] include all spouses and stepchildren inancestor reports > > FTM's all-in-one tree will print all spouses and descendants. You > may, however, wish to control the number of generations showed. > > Patricia Page > BC Canada > > > > -------------------------------------- > Having trouble with your subscription? Contact the List Admin at > [email protected] > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.10.3/395 - Release Date: 7/21/2006 -------------------------------------- Having trouble with your subscription? Contact the List Admin at [email protected] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Gary I backed up everything important...So far I love Vista...I found two Beta anti virus programs. Mc Afee and a program called ClamWin..... Judy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2006 9:14 AM Subject: Re: [GEN-COMP-TIPS] (no subject) > At 09:56 PM 10/10/2006, you wrote: >>Does anyone on her have Vista on there computer? I if so what anti >>virus program do you use? > > As Microsoft have only released Beta versions you may find i5t very > difficult to get much. > > Personally I wouldn't put Vistra on my computer as it could cause BIG > problems with your data. I would advise you to follow the first rule > of computing & "_Back Up_" very regularly. > > Gary in Sunny Queensland, Australia. > www.sunzine.net/rockhampton > Genealogy Page http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~liddellfamily/ > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.407 / Virus Database: 268.13.1/466 - Release Date: 7/10/2006 > > > -------------------------------------- > Having trouble with your subscription? Contact the List Admin at > [email protected] > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Geneh did you get a reply from one of the web sites I suggested? Have you tried the suggestion made by one of our list members to try installing the FT file from your CD-ROM using GEDCON format? If you have been happy with a FTM that has been around for many many many years I would stay with it and spend the money on candy. John <SNIP> > Because I cannot import a backup cd-rom to an old 4.0 FTM I have decided > to > go for the lastest program available, but I want to be 100% sure that I > will > be able to download my file to a new FTM program.

Hello, another one is a problem I have with my sister forwarding emails with any pictures ..& that is, she uses the option to remove any before forwarding. So sometimes it is the senders computer stripping them form the email. I also should have pointed out another option in security __ BLOCK images or any HTML, it should not have a check by it. Mitsy#9 Judith <[email protected]> wrote: Hi Jan, There are two reasons that I know of for getting a red x. One is when you have your email security set so that you cant get pictures or attachments, the second is when the Sender sends in a .tif format. Bear in mind there are two tif formats. One of them is only usable on the pc it is saved on, the other is CCITT [the extension is still .tif but you can send it via email] If you have already been to Tools/Security and unchecked the "block images etc" box then you need to ask the sender to resend. There is no way you can open the picture if it is an ordinary .tif because you dont actually have it. The x denotes where it would have been if it had been sent! Suitable formats are jpg, bmp, gif, CCITT. Regards Judith Mitsy #9 www.MarilynLeland.piczo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

Does anyone on her have Vista on there computer? I if so what anti virus program do you use? Thanks Judy In Ohio

I think some of the confusion may be a change in the way the programs make the reports. I really didn't realize that people are still this mixed up about what I am looking for, even though I posted an example of it. An ancestor report begins with the nearest descendant and gives his ancestry, all known lines thereof, for as many generations as one wants to go back. There is no reason why a narrative report that is organized as an ancestor report, cannot provide the spouses and the children of each ancestor, and most genealogical programs have them do that, atleast sort of. An ahnentafel is supposed to be a simple list of direct ancestors and life events organized by generation, but genealogical programs often use the term interchangeably with the narrative ancestor report. A descendancy report starts with an ancestor and presents information about his descendants. A descendancy report is not able to present comprehensive information about what most of us most want to know about - our ancestors! A descendancy report can present genealogical material on a family group defined by a common ancestor, or present information on a family group defined as cousins linked by a common ancestor, or present comprehensive narrative or family group style information on a single direct line of descent. The difference between a descendancy report is not what information they contain; for instance, whether for each generation of ancestors they tell you who the children were, but the basic organization of the information. So the following example is PAF Companion's idea of an ahnentafel report, really an ancestor report. The same information could have been included in a descendancy report. When I handwrote my own web site, years ago, at http://www.geocities.com/tiggernut24, I pretty much organized my material in ahentafel format but with multiple marriages and children of each listed under each ancestor and primary spouse from my own point of view, in indented format. I even had groups of ancestors ahnetafelled separately in the groupings in which they naturally fell, like my mother's old New England nest of families that carried manic depression, her other line that consisted of people who lived in Salem Massachusetts at the time of the Salem witch trials, and my father's Pennsylvania Dutch and his Irish Quakers, and my brother in law's father's mother's and mother's mother's French Canadian ancestry. I truly cannot conceive of another way to organize the information on one's ancestors. The problem I am running into is that many programs present SOME of the children of each ancestor in ancestor reports, but not all of them! Either include the children of a family, or don't, but don't arbitrarily leave out the stepsiblings. To include family group information in the ancestor report incorporates critically important information and saves printing out a few hundred individual family group sheets to add to your ahentafel, and indexing it yourself if you even bother. In fact the idea of a narrative ancestor report or "book" is a great aid to genealogy when it's properly done. You end up with a single comprehensive report that is logically organized and easy to follow. For example, the following family group information is from the ahentafel report generated by PAF Companion. The direct ancestors are Eli Thompson and Ms. Wilson, and their son Ezra. 20. Eli5 Thompson , born 4 Dec 1770 in Mill Creek, New CAstle, DE; died 19 Sep 1840 in London Britain, Chester, PA, son of 34. Daniel Thompson and 35. Elizabeth Chambers . He married (1) on 11 Jun 1798 in London Grove, Chester, PA 21. Elizabeth Wilson , born 16 Jul 1777 in "of" London Grove; died 11 3rd mo 1803 in New Garden Mtg, Chester, PA, daughter of 36. Ephraim Wilson and 37. Elizabeth Johnson ; (2) on 19 Aug 1806 in New Garden, Chester, PA Sarah Scarlett , died 1 Mar 1859 in London Britain, Chester, PA. ------------------------------------------------ Notes for Eli Thompson settled in White Clay Creek, it may have belonged to New Garden at the time as part of New Garden was absorbed into London Britain. b 2/4/1770 MC settled WC m (1) LG m (2) 1806 NG d 9/19/1840 Inconsistency of dates and a registration omission leave it unknown which of the two wives was Ezra's mother. It strongly appears that Ezra's mother was Elizabeth Wilson, who died giving birth to him or soon after, in early 1804. Eli Thompson b 12/4/1700 Mill Creek m (1) 6/11/1798, Elizabeth Wilson m (2) 8/19/1806 Sarah Scarlett Settled in WC, I don't now when, d 9/19/1840, family records at New Garden mm. Eli seems to have been a very quiet person. I don't know what role he may have played in his meeting. But he signed the wedding certificate only of one of his brothers. This means the only wedding he ever went to of his small, close-knit community was that of one of his brothers. All present signed a Quaker wedding certificate, and that was almost always alot of people; usually from half to most of the members of the meeting. Notes for Elizabeth Wilson Elizabeth Wilson b 7/16/1777 d "11, 3rd mo, 1803" (New Garden meeting records) Translate: January 11, 1803. I think it possible she really died January 11, 1804, but so far cannot confirm. If she died in 1803, Ezra was born to a ghost, or else illegitimately several years before his father remarried. This is exactly how it is recorded in the New Garden meeting records, and because it appears to be mistaken, it is important to preserve it exactly as the Quaker clerk wrote it. The Quaker calendar differed from the English calendar by two months, and I've never seen an explanation of what happened when the Quaker and English calenders were in different years; people must have gotten very confused constantly. Further, people write the previous year all of the time when writing dates in early January. I think she really died on January 11, 1804, the only logical way to account for Ezra's birth in 1804. Eli didn't marry his second wife until August, 1806! Ezra's birth is not recorded in the New Garden records, though a Miller genealogy says Ezra was a son of Eli, and Eli passed some of his land on White Clay Creek to Ezra upon Ezra's marriage, and both naming patterns and patterns of family political participation as well as the fact that Ezra became an Orthodox Quaker make it clear that Ezra was close kin to Eli. I suspect Elizabeth died of giving birth to Ezra. Her death is recorded, but they would have had a funeral, the abnormally quiet, probably depressed father forgot to register the birth of his son! In addition, Ezra's birth is not recorded at ANY Quaker meeting, to anyone- and he was a Quaker. Children of Eli Thompson and Elizabeth Wilson were as follows: i Joel4 Thompson , born 12 Jun 1799 in London Britain, Chester, PA. He married (1) on 11 May 1829 in New London, Chester, PA Rachel Spencer , born 14 Jun 1803 in prob New Garden, New London, Chester, PA; died 24 Feb 1851 in New Garden, Chester, PA; (2) bef 1827 in Chester Co, PA Mary Matlack (Hickman) , died in West Chester, PA. Notes: settled in New Garden Township. ii Daniel4 Thompson , born 13 Mar 1801 in London Britain, Chester, PA; died 25 Jul 1868 in London Britain, Chester, PA. She married bef 1826 in New Garden, Chester, PA Beulah C. or G. Hughes , born 1802 in Chester County, PA; died 1882 in London Britain, Chester, PA. Notes: Daniel and/or Ezra were the elders of the London Britain (Orthodox) Meetting. The London Britain meeting was Orthodox and starteda t about the same time as the Mill Creek Hicksite Meeting, the leader of which was a James Thompson, another member of this clan. But the Hicksite/ Quaker split was about the developing middle class (who were assimilating into the mainstream) vs traditional farmers with a more traditional outlook who in fact opposed the developing Capitalist economy as a threat to their livlihoods. Eli was one of the sons of his father whose sons and grandsons were upwardly mobile, and they went with the minority in rural Chester County orthodox position. The Orthodox Quakers held something fairly closely resembling ordinary Protestant church services, and adopted a belief in the Trinity, the Hicksites maintain to this day their traditional Quaker ways of thinking and mode of worship. 10 iii Ezra Sr.4 Thompson , born abt 1804 in London Britain, Chester, PA; died 1873 in London Britain, Chester, PA. He married prob 1832 in prob London Britain, Chester, PA Mary Webster Miller , born 17 Nov 1808 in New Garden, Chester, PA; died 1887 in London Britain, Chester, PA, daughter of John Miller and Mary Webster . iv Joshua4 Thompson , born 20 May or Jul 1786 in New Garden, Chester, PA. Children of Eli Thompson and Sarah Scarlett were as follows: i Mary4 Thompson , born 15 May 1810 in London Britain, Chester, PA. She married in 1827 in Spencer's Mtg, New London, Chester, PA Jeremiah Starr , born in New Garden, Chester, PA. Yours, Dora Smith Austin, TX [email protected] ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul C. Abell" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, October 09, 2006 10:40 PM Subject: Re: [GEN-COMP-TIPS] include all spouses and stepchildren >I thought I knew what an ancestor report is and what a descendant report >is. > Now I am beginning to get confused. It sounds as though you are wanting a > report that combines the two? Is it my ignorance or am I just not > understanding what you are seeking? > -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.10.3/395 - Release Date: 7/21/2006

I thought I knew what an ancestor report is and what a descendant report is. Now I am beginning to get confused. It sounds as though you are wanting a report that combines the two? Is it my ignorance or am I just not understanding what you are seeking? -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Dora Smith Sent: Monday, October 09, 2006 7:41 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [GEN-COMP-TIPS] include all spouses and stepchildren Judy, you're responding to what Bob wrote - and don't let it confuse you. Grin. Yours, Dora Smith Austin, TX [email protected]

Patricia: I got FTM today to give it a try. The All in One tree is just a box chart. I'm looking for a narrative ancestor or ahnentafel report that will print the step children. Yours, Dora Smith Austin, TX [email protected] ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patricia Page" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, October 08, 2006 3:25 PM Subject: Re: [GEN-COMP-TIPS] include all spouses and stepchildren inancestor reports > > FTM's all-in-one tree will print all spouses and descendants. You > may, however, wish to control the number of generations showed. > > Patricia Page > BC Canada > > > > -------------------------------------- > Having trouble with your subscription? Contact the List Admin at > [email protected] > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.10.3/395 - Release Date: 7/21/2006

Because I cannot import a backup cd-rom to an old 4.0 FTM I have decided to go for the lastest program available, but I want to be 100% sure that I will be able to download my file to a new FTM program. Also, I wanted information as to just what improvements a new FTM program offers. gene

Gene, The answer to question one is Yes, they always remind everyone to make a back of the existing files, then install the new version. After that your file will open up in the new version. I'm now trying to avoid answering the next question or what are the advantage of update to the latest version. There are so many advances from version 4.0 to version 16, that it would take us quite a while and then might miss some. http://familytreemaker.com/help/tutorials/tour/?wp_ml=0 will take you to Family Treemaker site where you can read an overview of the program and see a visual tour. Keep in mind to use the icon at the right bottom of the parent's info, Web Search Resources, you must have a subscription to Ancestry.com to get the information from their site. If you still have questions you can post another message to the list or e-mail me personal at gen-search "at" cox.net. Replace the word "at" with the @ sign. I get back to you in the morning, it is bedtime here though. Hazel Scanned for viruses by Blue Coat http://www.WinProxy.com/

I have requested a password for two days with no reply. I would like to ask a couple of questions before I order a new version of FTM. Perhaps the "will reply in one hour" policy is not in effect over the weekend or holidays??? gene

Gene, What are the two questions? I'll see if I can answer them for you. If not I know of few guys that are sure to answer the cry from the two of us. Hazel At 07:42 PM 10/9/2006, you wrote: >I have requested a password for two days with no reply. I would like to ask >a couple of questions before I order a new version of FTM. Perhaps the "will >reply in one hour" policy is not in effect over the weekend or holidays??? >gene Scanned for viruses by Blue Coat http://www.WinProxy.com/

Judy, you're responding to what Bob wrote - and don't let it confuse you. Grin. Yours, Dora Smith Austin, TX [email protected] ----- Original Message ----- From: "Judy in Ocala" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, October 09, 2006 4:07 PM Subject: Re: [GEN-COMP-TIPS] include all spouses and stepchildren >A descendant report is not an ancestor report. > > What program are you referring to? > > Judy in Ocala > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of bob gillis > Sent: Monday, October 09, 2006 3:09 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [GEN-COMP-TIPS] include all spouses and stepchildren > > Dora, you keep saying you want an ancestor report that includes all of > an ancestors wives and children. > > Do you want an ancestor report that start with you and goes back with > all you ancestors or do you want a report of all your ancestors, spouses > and children. > > As I mentioned in my first reply to you on this list, you can get a > report that has all those people by generating a descendant report for > all of your end of line ancestors. A filter of "is and ancestor of > Dora" AND father ID = 0 AND mother ID = 0 will find all of your end of > line ancestors and the report will include all of their descendants. > You can then use Second Site to make a linked web page. > > You can title the report and web page , Ancestors of Dora Smith. > > bob gillis > -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.10.3/395 - Release Date: 7/21/2006

Hi Gene Are you trying to restore a backup. Is the backup on the cd in version 4.0 FTM. Open FTM and go to file-restore from local backup. Choose your cd-rom drive and choose the file you wish to restore. When you say you want to download your file are you meaning that you want to restore from internet backup. Just click on that and follow the prompts. If you have a copy of your file on your comp then you just click open and find the file you want to open and say ok. Ver 16 is newest Ver and way better than 4.0 Peggy > Because I cannot import a backup cd-rom to an old 4.0 FTM I have decided > to > go for the lastest program available, but I want to be 100% sure that I > will > be able to download my file to a new FTM program. > Also, I wanted information as to just what improvements a new FTM program > offers.

I had that problem at one time. What I did was hit the "reply" button. The picture showed up there, and I was able to copy the photo from that screen, then paste it where I wanted it. If I didn't really want to reply to the post, then I just xed out of the reply screen. Hope this helps! Janet Graham Theberge ----- Original Message ----- From: "Janet Buck" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, October 09, 2006 8:14 AM Subject: [GEN-COMP-TIPS] THAT RED X AGAIN > Hi > > I have followed Mitsy's instructions, but the red X is still there. I > cannot open an image in email. > > Any ideas please? > > Thanks, > Jan. > -------------------------------------- > Having trouble with your subscription? Contact the List Admin at > [email protected] > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

A descendant report is not an ancestor report. What program are you referring to? Judy in Ocala -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of bob gillis Sent: Monday, October 09, 2006 3:09 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [GEN-COMP-TIPS] include all spouses and stepchildren Dora, you keep saying you want an ancestor report that includes all of an ancestors wives and children. Do you want an ancestor report that start with you and goes back with all you ancestors or do you want a report of all your ancestors, spouses and children. As I mentioned in my first reply to you on this list, you can get a report that has all those people by generating a descendant report for all of your end of line ancestors. A filter of "is and ancestor of Dora" AND father ID = 0 AND mother ID = 0 will find all of your end of line ancestors and the report will include all of their descendants. You can then use Second Site to make a linked web page. You can title the report and web page , Ancestors of Dora Smith. bob gillis -------------------------------------- Having trouble with your subscription? Contact the List Admin at [email protected] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Dora, you keep saying you want an ancestor report that includes all of an ancestors wives and children. Do you want an ancestor report that start with you and goes back with all you ancestors or do you want a report of all your ancestors, spouses and children. As I mentioned in my first reply to you on this list, you can get a report that has all those people by generating a descendant report for all of your end of line ancestors. A filter of "is and ancestor of Dora" AND father ID = 0 AND mother ID = 0 will find all of your end of line ancestors and the report will include all of their descendants. You can then use Second Site to make a linked web page. You can title the report and web page , Ancestors of Dora Smith. bob gillis