Anne Last year I purchased a new Brother laser printer (black only) for just a bit less than the price you quoted for a drum. Printer prices have come down over the years although I am not so sure about the quality going up. It is easy for me to say since I am not the one with the problem, nevertheless I think I would go with a new printer. It is my understanding from things I have read that some of the printer manufactories do not update the older computers' program for printers to cover new operating systems. This could leave you out in the cold if you upgrade your operating system. Not a catch 22 situation, but close. <SNIP> > My old Brother laser printer has cranked out miles of paper for me. Now > it close. > is in dire need of a drum. At office supply/computer stores a new drum > is > about $175. That is more than I paid for the printer! remanufactured ones on the net for far, far less. Anyone had any > experience with such?

I'm printing ahentafel reports in Roots Magic because I like the color coding. Just one problem. If someone has a christening date but no birth date, it prints nothing. I cannot find in tools, options, nor in the ahtnetafel print screen, any option to tell it to print the christening date if no birth date. Does Roots Magic do this? PAF does that automatically. Yours, Dora Smith Austin, TX [email protected] -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.10.3/395 - Release Date: 7/21/2006

All This society's 2006 Open Day will take place on Saturday 21 October 2006, commencing at 10.00am and finishing at 4.00pm. This year’s Open Day takes place at our usual meeting venue :- Exeter Hall Oxford Road Kidlington Oxford OX5 1AB The Open Day will feature the usual assortment of visiting societies, dealers in second hand books and postcards, sales of microfiche readers and the like. Our own Society's library and search services will be available for consultation, whilst we will also be manning a beginners' helpdesk. Additionally, there will be computing demonstrations, which will give advice on such things as which genealogical software package to choose, and the use of the internet in family history. Admission to the Open Day is free, whilst light refreshment will be on sale at reasonable prices. For more details including a list of stallholders : _http://www.ofhs.org.uk/OpenDay.html_ (http://www.ofhs.org.uk/OpenDay.html) How to get there : _http://www.ofhs.org.uk/ExeterHall.html_ (http://www.ofhs.org.uk/ExeterHall.html) Best wishes. Paul Gaskell Publicity Officer and Minutes Secretary Oxfordshire Family History Society E-mail : [email protected]_ (mailto:[email protected]) Website : _www.ofhs.org.uk_ (http://www.ofhs.org.uk/)

Hallo, I do hope you can help me. I have had a large genealogical web site since 2001 titled Stone & Quarrymen of the West Country. I have just got a new computer which works beautifully but to my horror I cannot upload to the web site. I have Windows XP. My normal procedure was to click on Save as Web Page, then go to FTP locations and click on the ftp address. When I arrive at that point now, I get a message telling me to change proxy settings to allow access to the site. Can anyone advise how I should proceed to be able to upload? I'd be so grateful for any help. Thanks so much. Best wishes, Joan [email protected] http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~stonemen/

At 11:23 AM 12/10/2006, you wrote: >I installed the 4.0 FTM program on my computer but never used it. I would >like to remove this BLANK program before my new FTM # 16 arrives. Can anyone >help me. There is usually an uninstall icon but if there isn't click on the following :- Start, then Control Panel. When Control Panel opens look for the "Add Or Remove" icon & click on that. Once you have done this you will see a list of programs, find FTM & click on the "Change Remove" & folow the instructions. If this doesn't work get back to me. Gary in Sunny Queensland, Australia. www.sunzine.net/rockhampton Genealogy Page http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~liddellfamily/ -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.407 / Virus Database: 268.13.1/466 - Release Date: 7/10/2006

In a message dated 10/11/2006 6:36:06 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: Check if it is showing in your Add and Remove Programs listing in Control Panel. If it is remove it from there. If it isn't, go to the folder where FTM4 is installed and look for an "uninstall" icon there. If there isn't, just delete the whole folder of FTM4, but make sure you don't delete your data files, if they are stored in there. Worked like a charm. Thank you

I installed the 4.0 FTM program on my computer but never used it. I would like to remove this BLANK program before my new FTM # 16 arrives. Can anyone help me.

Check if it is showing in your Add and Remove Programs listing in Control Panel. If it is remove it from there. If it isn't, go to the folder where FTM4 is installed and look for an "uninstall" icon there. If there isn't, just delete the whole folder of FTM4, but make sure you don't delete your data files, if they are stored in there. It won't make any difference if you still have it installed when you start to install the new version. Just install the new version in another folder (most important!). I have a number of genealogical applications installed (including v9 and 2005 of FTM) in various versions and they don't conflict. > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > Sent: Wed, 11 Oct 2006 21:23:35 EDT > To: [email protected] > Subject: [GEN-COMP-TIPS] FTM > > I installed the 4.0 FTM program on my computer but never used it. I > would > like to remove this BLANK program before my new FTM # 16 arrives. Can > anyone > help me. > -------------------------------------- > Having trouble with your subscription? Contact the List Admin at > [email protected] > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

At 05:22 AM 11/10/2006, you wrote: >Will Vista not use the antivirus program that you used before you got Vista. No Vistra is a different Operating System so it needs a different Anti-Virus program. Gary in Sunny Queensland, Australia. www.sunzine.net/rockhampton Genealogy Page http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~liddellfamily/ -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.407 / Virus Database: 268.13.1/466 - Release Date: 7/10/2006

At 09:56 PM 10/10/2006, you wrote: >Does anyone on her have Vista on there computer? I if so what anti >virus program do you use? As Microsoft have only released Beta versions you may find i5t very difficult to get much. Personally I wouldn't put Vistra on my computer as it could cause BIG problems with your data. I would advise you to follow the first rule of computing & "_Back Up_" very regularly. Gary in Sunny Queensland, Australia. www.sunzine.net/rockhampton Genealogy Page http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~liddellfamily/ -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.407 / Virus Database: 268.13.1/466 - Release Date: 7/10/2006

Legacy sure does include all the children of each spouse! In the "ancestor book". It's a beautifully done report, too! I only just got Legacy to see if it would be useful for something different. Luckily I have the money to splurge on these programs. Last weekend I purchased a bunch of them. I had asked on the Legacy list if the program would include the stepchildren, and someone said it does not. So I unsubscribed. I had wondered if I gave up too soon. Y'all know how persistent I can be. But since then other people have said that the nearest thing to what I want I could do in Legacy is a book organization project where I could (maybe) tell Legacy separately to prepare a family group sheet for each ancestor in my ancestor report! I had been going to see exactly how that would come out, but I think it would both take alot of time and come out a mess. It's a nice looking report, too. I think I'm set. BIG smile. Legacy does do web sites too, right? Thank you, Paul, for telling me this! I should clarify for all the people who for some incomprehensible reason insist on leaving out teh stepchildren; Legacy actually lets you include them as an option, in the screen where you check what you want from a long list of things to include. That's reasonable. Yours, Dora Smith Austin, TX [email protected] ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul C. Abell" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2006 8:13 PM Subject: Re: [GEN-COMP-TIPS] include all spouses and stepchildren > Dora, > You wrote: > > "The problem I am running into is that many programs present SOME of the > children of each ancestor in ancestor reports, but not all of them! > Either > > include the children of a family, or don't, but don't arbitrarily leave > out > the stepsiblings." > > I just did an ancestor report in Legacy and it did in fact print the step > children as well as each marriage for each individual that had more than > one > marriage. > > Paul -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.10.3/395 - Release Date: 7/21/2006

Paul: What exact report did you print, and how did you set it up? I just got Legacy, for another reason, I just printed what it calls an ancestor report, which is something completely different. I clicked on reports, and then the only thing that came up under ancestor. Specifically a sort of chart. It isn't even in complete sentences, it looks like possibly a misreformatted pedigree report, and it doesn't appear to include any children of any sort. Just little groups of short lines that look as if there' supposed to be a box around them for direct ancestors. It isn't easy to follow it. When I had asked on the Legacy list if you could do what I'm trying to do, someone said no, and I promptly gave up. I did think I should ahve tried a bit harder. But since then people have told me that the closest you can come in Legacy is its complex book thing where for each ancestral family I'd have to add a family group sheet or descendancy report to each line of the ancestor report. Yours, Dora Smith Austin, TX [email protected] ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul C. Abell" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2006 8:13 PM Subject: Re: [GEN-COMP-TIPS] include all spouses and stepchildren > Dora, > You wrote: > > "The problem I am running into is that many programs present SOME of the > children of each ancestor in ancestor reports, but not all of them! > Either > > include the children of a family, or don't, but don't arbitrarily leave > out > the stepsiblings." > > I just did an ancestor report in Legacy and it did in fact print the step > children as well as each marriage for each individual that had more than > one > marriage. > > Paul > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Dora Smith > Sent: Monday, October 09, 2006 11:44 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [GEN-COMP-TIPS] include all spouses and stepchildren > > I think some of the confusion may be a change in the way the programs make > the reports. > > I really didn't realize that people are still this mixed up about what I > am > looking for, even though I posted an example of it. > > An ancestor report begins with the nearest descendant and gives his > ancestry, all known lines thereof, for as many generations as one wants to > go back. There is no reason why a narrative report that is organized as > an > > ancestor report, cannot provide the spouses and the children of each > ancestor, and most genealogical programs have them do that, atleast sort > of. > > An ahnentafel is supposed to be a simple list of direct ancestors and life > events organized by generation, but genealogical programs often use the > term > > interchangeably with the narrative ancestor report. > > A descendancy report starts with an ancestor and presents information > about > his descendants. A descendancy report is not able to present > comprehensive information about what most of us most want to know about - > our ancestors! A descendancy report can present genealogical material > on > a family group defined by a common ancestor, or present information on a > family group defined as cousins linked by a common ancestor, or present > comprehensive narrative or family group style information on a single > direct > > line of descent. > > The difference between a descendancy report is not what information they > contain; for instance, whether for each generation of ancestors they tell > you who the children were, but the basic organization of the information. > > So the following example is PAF Companion's idea of an ahnentafel report, > really an ancestor report. The same information could have been included > in a descendancy report. > > When I handwrote my own web site, years ago, at > http://www.geocities.com/tiggernut24, I pretty much organized my material > in > > ahentafel format but with multiple marriages and children of each listed > under each ancestor and primary spouse from my own point of view, in > indented format. I even had groups of ancestors ahnetafelled separately > in > > the groupings in which they naturally fell, like my mother's old New > England > > nest of families that carried manic depression, her other line that > consisted of people who lived in Salem Massachusetts at the time of the > Salem witch trials, and my father's Pennsylvania Dutch and his Irish > Quakers, and my brother in law's father's mother's and mother's mother's > French Canadian ancestry. I truly cannot conceive of another way to > organize the information on one's ancestors. > > The problem I am running into is that many programs present SOME of the > children of each ancestor in ancestor reports, but not all of them! > Either > > include the children of a family, or don't, but don't arbitrarily leave > out > the stepsiblings. To include family group information in the ancestor > report incorporates critically important information and saves printing > out > a few hundred individual family group sheets to add to your ahentafel, and > indexing it yourself if you even bother. In fact the idea of a narrative > ancestor report or "book" is a great aid to genealogy when it's properly > done. You end up with a single comprehensive report that is logically > organized and easy to follow. > > For example, the following family group information is from the ahentafel > report generated by PAF Companion. The direct ancestors are Eli > Thompson > and Ms. Wilson, and their son Ezra. > > 20. Eli5 Thompson , born 4 Dec 1770 in Mill Creek, New CAstle, DE; died 19 > Sep 1840 in London Britain, Chester, PA, son of 34. Daniel Thompson and > 35. > Elizabeth Chambers . He married (1) on 11 Jun 1798 in London Grove, > Chester, PA 21. Elizabeth Wilson , born 16 Jul 1777 in "of" London Grove; > died 11 3rd mo 1803 in New Garden Mtg, Chester, PA, daughter of 36. > Ephraim > Wilson and 37. Elizabeth Johnson ; (2) on 19 Aug 1806 in New Garden, > Chester, PA Sarah Scarlett , died 1 Mar 1859 in London Britain, Chester, > PA. > > ------------------------------------------------ > > Notes for Eli Thompson > > settled in White Clay Creek, it may have belonged to New Garden at > the > time as part of New Garden was absorbed into London Britain. > > b 2/4/1770 MC settled WC m (1) LG m (2) 1806 NG d 9/19/1840 > > Inconsistency of dates and a registration omission leave it unknown which > of > the two wives was Ezra's mother. It strongly appears that Ezra's mother > was > Elizabeth Wilson, who died giving birth to him or soon after, in early > 1804. > > Eli Thompson b 12/4/1700 Mill Creek m (1) 6/11/1798, Elizabeth > Wilson > m (2) 8/19/1806 Sarah Scarlett Settled in WC, I don't now when, d > 9/19/1840, family records at New Garden mm. > > Eli seems to have been a very quiet person. I don't know what role > he > may have played in his meeting. But he signed the wedding certificate > only > of one of his brothers. This means the only wedding he ever went to of > his > small, close-knit community was that of one of his brothers. All present > signed a Quaker wedding certificate, and that was almost always alot of > people; usually from half to most of the members of the meeting. > > > > Notes for Elizabeth Wilson > > Elizabeth Wilson b 7/16/1777 d "11, 3rd mo, 1803" > > (New Garden meeting records) > > Translate: January 11, 1803. > > I think it possible she really died January 11, 1804, but so far > cannot confirm. If she died in 1803, Ezra was born to a ghost, or else > illegitimately several years before his father remarried. > > This is exactly how it is recorded in the New Garden meeting records, > and because it appears to be mistaken, it is important to preserve it > exactly as the Quaker clerk wrote it. The Quaker calendar differed from > the > English calendar by two months, and I've never seen an explanation of what > happened when the Quaker and English calenders were in different years; > people must have gotten very confused constantly. Further, people write > the > previous year all of the time when writing dates in early January. I think > she really died on January 11, 1804, the only logical way to account for > Ezra's birth in 1804. Eli didn't marry his second wife until August, 1806! > Ezra's birth is not recorded in the New Garden records, though a Miller > genealogy says Ezra was a son of Eli, and Eli passed some of his land on > White Clay Creek to Ezra upon Ezra's marriage, and both naming patterns > and > patterns of family political participation as well as the fact that Ezra > became an Orthodox Quaker make it clear that Ezra was close kin to Eli. I > suspect Elizabeth died of giving birth to Ezra. Her death is recorded, > but > they would have had a funeral, the abnormally quiet, probably depressed > father forgot to register the birth of his son! In addition, Ezra's birth > is > not recorded at ANY Quaker meeting, to anyone- and he was a Quaker. > > > > Children of Eli Thompson and Elizabeth Wilson were as follows: > > i Joel4 Thompson , born 12 Jun 1799 in London > Britain, Chester, PA. He married (1) on 11 May 1829 in New London, > Chester, > PA Rachel Spencer , born 14 Jun 1803 in prob New Garden, New London, > Chester, PA; died 24 Feb 1851 in New Garden, Chester, PA; (2) bef 1827 in > Chester Co, PA Mary Matlack (Hickman) , died in West Chester, PA. Notes: > settled in New Garden Township. > > ii Daniel4 Thompson , born 13 Mar 1801 in > London > Britain, Chester, PA; died 25 Jul 1868 in London Britain, Chester, PA. > She > married bef 1826 in New Garden, Chester, PA Beulah C. or G. Hughes , born > 1802 in Chester County, PA; died 1882 in London Britain, Chester, PA. > Notes: Daniel and/or Ezra were the elders of the London Britain (Orthodox) > Meetting. The London Britain meeting was Orthodox and starteda t about the > same time as the Mill Creek Hicksite Meeting, the leader of which was a > James Thompson, another member of this clan. But the Hicksite/ Quaker > split > was about the developing middle class (who were assimilating into the > mainstream) vs traditional farmers with a more traditional outlook who in > fact opposed the developing Capitalist economy as a threat to their > livlihoods. Eli was one of the sons of his father whose sons and > grandsons > were upwardly mobile, and they went with the minority in rural Chester > County orthodox position. The Orthodox Quakers held something fairly > closely > resembling ordinary Protestant church services, and adopted a belief in > the > Trinity, the Hicksites maintain to this day their traditional Quaker ways > of > thinking and mode of worship. > > 10 iii Ezra Sr.4 Thompson , born abt 1804 in London > Britain, Chester, PA; died 1873 in London Britain, Chester, PA. He > married > prob 1832 in prob London Britain, Chester, PA Mary Webster Miller , born > 17 > Nov 1808 in New Garden, Chester, PA; died 1887 in London Britain, Chester, > PA, daughter of John Miller and Mary Webster . > > iv Joshua4 Thompson , born 20 May or Jul 1786 in > New Garden, Chester, PA. > > > > Children of Eli Thompson and Sarah Scarlett were as follows: > > i Mary4 Thompson , born 15 May 1810 in London > Britain, Chester, PA. She married in 1827 in Spencer's Mtg, New London, > Chester, PA Jeremiah Starr , born in New Garden, Chester, PA. > > > > Yours, > Dora Smith > Austin, TX > [email protected] > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Paul C. Abell" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Monday, October 09, 2006 10:40 PM > Subject: Re: [GEN-COMP-TIPS] include all spouses and stepchildren > > >>I thought I knew what an ancestor report is and what a descendant report >>is. >> Now I am beginning to get confused. It sounds as though you are wanting >> a >> report that combines the two? Is it my ignorance or am I just not >> understanding what you are seeking? >> > > > > -- > Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.10.3/395 - Release Date: 7/21/2006 > > -------------------------------------- > Having trouble with your subscription? Contact the List Admin at > [email protected] > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > -------------------------------------- > Having trouble with your subscription? Contact the List Admin at > [email protected] > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.10.3/395 - Release Date: 7/21/2006

Dora, You wrote: "The problem I am running into is that many programs present SOME of the children of each ancestor in ancestor reports, but not all of them! Either include the children of a family, or don't, but don't arbitrarily leave out the stepsiblings." I just did an ancestor report in Legacy and it did in fact print the step children as well as each marriage for each individual that had more than one marriage. Paul -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Dora Smith Sent: Monday, October 09, 2006 11:44 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [GEN-COMP-TIPS] include all spouses and stepchildren I think some of the confusion may be a change in the way the programs make the reports. I really didn't realize that people are still this mixed up about what I am looking for, even though I posted an example of it. An ancestor report begins with the nearest descendant and gives his ancestry, all known lines thereof, for as many generations as one wants to go back. There is no reason why a narrative report that is organized as an ancestor report, cannot provide the spouses and the children of each ancestor, and most genealogical programs have them do that, atleast sort of. An ahnentafel is supposed to be a simple list of direct ancestors and life events organized by generation, but genealogical programs often use the term interchangeably with the narrative ancestor report. A descendancy report starts with an ancestor and presents information about his descendants. A descendancy report is not able to present comprehensive information about what most of us most want to know about - our ancestors! A descendancy report can present genealogical material on a family group defined by a common ancestor, or present information on a family group defined as cousins linked by a common ancestor, or present comprehensive narrative or family group style information on a single direct line of descent. The difference between a descendancy report is not what information they contain; for instance, whether for each generation of ancestors they tell you who the children were, but the basic organization of the information. So the following example is PAF Companion's idea of an ahnentafel report, really an ancestor report. The same information could have been included in a descendancy report. When I handwrote my own web site, years ago, at http://www.geocities.com/tiggernut24, I pretty much organized my material in ahentafel format but with multiple marriages and children of each listed under each ancestor and primary spouse from my own point of view, in indented format. I even had groups of ancestors ahnetafelled separately in the groupings in which they naturally fell, like my mother's old New England nest of families that carried manic depression, her other line that consisted of people who lived in Salem Massachusetts at the time of the Salem witch trials, and my father's Pennsylvania Dutch and his Irish Quakers, and my brother in law's father's mother's and mother's mother's French Canadian ancestry. I truly cannot conceive of another way to organize the information on one's ancestors. The problem I am running into is that many programs present SOME of the children of each ancestor in ancestor reports, but not all of them! Either include the children of a family, or don't, but don't arbitrarily leave out the stepsiblings. To include family group information in the ancestor report incorporates critically important information and saves printing out a few hundred individual family group sheets to add to your ahentafel, and indexing it yourself if you even bother. In fact the idea of a narrative ancestor report or "book" is a great aid to genealogy when it's properly done. You end up with a single comprehensive report that is logically organized and easy to follow. For example, the following family group information is from the ahentafel report generated by PAF Companion. The direct ancestors are Eli Thompson and Ms. Wilson, and their son Ezra. 20. Eli5 Thompson , born 4 Dec 1770 in Mill Creek, New CAstle, DE; died 19 Sep 1840 in London Britain, Chester, PA, son of 34. Daniel Thompson and 35. Elizabeth Chambers . He married (1) on 11 Jun 1798 in London Grove, Chester, PA 21. Elizabeth Wilson , born 16 Jul 1777 in "of" London Grove; died 11 3rd mo 1803 in New Garden Mtg, Chester, PA, daughter of 36. Ephraim Wilson and 37. Elizabeth Johnson ; (2) on 19 Aug 1806 in New Garden, Chester, PA Sarah Scarlett , died 1 Mar 1859 in London Britain, Chester, PA. ------------------------------------------------ Notes for Eli Thompson settled in White Clay Creek, it may have belonged to New Garden at the time as part of New Garden was absorbed into London Britain. b 2/4/1770 MC settled WC m (1) LG m (2) 1806 NG d 9/19/1840 Inconsistency of dates and a registration omission leave it unknown which of the two wives was Ezra's mother. It strongly appears that Ezra's mother was Elizabeth Wilson, who died giving birth to him or soon after, in early 1804. Eli Thompson b 12/4/1700 Mill Creek m (1) 6/11/1798, Elizabeth Wilson m (2) 8/19/1806 Sarah Scarlett Settled in WC, I don't now when, d 9/19/1840, family records at New Garden mm. Eli seems to have been a very quiet person. I don't know what role he may have played in his meeting. But he signed the wedding certificate only of one of his brothers. This means the only wedding he ever went to of his small, close-knit community was that of one of his brothers. All present signed a Quaker wedding certificate, and that was almost always alot of people; usually from half to most of the members of the meeting. Notes for Elizabeth Wilson Elizabeth Wilson b 7/16/1777 d "11, 3rd mo, 1803" (New Garden meeting records) Translate: January 11, 1803. I think it possible she really died January 11, 1804, but so far cannot confirm. If she died in 1803, Ezra was born to a ghost, or else illegitimately several years before his father remarried. This is exactly how it is recorded in the New Garden meeting records, and because it appears to be mistaken, it is important to preserve it exactly as the Quaker clerk wrote it. The Quaker calendar differed from the English calendar by two months, and I've never seen an explanation of what happened when the Quaker and English calenders were in different years; people must have gotten very confused constantly. Further, people write the previous year all of the time when writing dates in early January. I think she really died on January 11, 1804, the only logical way to account for Ezra's birth in 1804. Eli didn't marry his second wife until August, 1806! Ezra's birth is not recorded in the New Garden records, though a Miller genealogy says Ezra was a son of Eli, and Eli passed some of his land on White Clay Creek to Ezra upon Ezra's marriage, and both naming patterns and patterns of family political participation as well as the fact that Ezra became an Orthodox Quaker make it clear that Ezra was close kin to Eli. I suspect Elizabeth died of giving birth to Ezra. Her death is recorded, but they would have had a funeral, the abnormally quiet, probably depressed father forgot to register the birth of his son! In addition, Ezra's birth is not recorded at ANY Quaker meeting, to anyone- and he was a Quaker. Children of Eli Thompson and Elizabeth Wilson were as follows: i Joel4 Thompson , born 12 Jun 1799 in London Britain, Chester, PA. He married (1) on 11 May 1829 in New London, Chester, PA Rachel Spencer , born 14 Jun 1803 in prob New Garden, New London, Chester, PA; died 24 Feb 1851 in New Garden, Chester, PA; (2) bef 1827 in Chester Co, PA Mary Matlack (Hickman) , died in West Chester, PA. Notes: settled in New Garden Township. ii Daniel4 Thompson , born 13 Mar 1801 in London Britain, Chester, PA; died 25 Jul 1868 in London Britain, Chester, PA. She married bef 1826 in New Garden, Chester, PA Beulah C. or G. Hughes , born 1802 in Chester County, PA; died 1882 in London Britain, Chester, PA. Notes: Daniel and/or Ezra were the elders of the London Britain (Orthodox) Meetting. The London Britain meeting was Orthodox and starteda t about the same time as the Mill Creek Hicksite Meeting, the leader of which was a James Thompson, another member of this clan. But the Hicksite/ Quaker split was about the developing middle class (who were assimilating into the mainstream) vs traditional farmers with a more traditional outlook who in fact opposed the developing Capitalist economy as a threat to their livlihoods. Eli was one of the sons of his father whose sons and grandsons were upwardly mobile, and they went with the minority in rural Chester County orthodox position. The Orthodox Quakers held something fairly closely resembling ordinary Protestant church services, and adopted a belief in the Trinity, the Hicksites maintain to this day their traditional Quaker ways of thinking and mode of worship. 10 iii Ezra Sr.4 Thompson , born abt 1804 in London Britain, Chester, PA; died 1873 in London Britain, Chester, PA. He married prob 1832 in prob London Britain, Chester, PA Mary Webster Miller , born 17 Nov 1808 in New Garden, Chester, PA; died 1887 in London Britain, Chester, PA, daughter of John Miller and Mary Webster . iv Joshua4 Thompson , born 20 May or Jul 1786 in New Garden, Chester, PA. Children of Eli Thompson and Sarah Scarlett were as follows: i Mary4 Thompson , born 15 May 1810 in London Britain, Chester, PA. She married in 1827 in Spencer's Mtg, New London, Chester, PA Jeremiah Starr , born in New Garden, Chester, PA. Yours, Dora Smith Austin, TX [email protected] ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul C. Abell" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, October 09, 2006 10:40 PM Subject: Re: [GEN-COMP-TIPS] include all spouses and stepchildren >I thought I knew what an ancestor report is and what a descendant report >is. > Now I am beginning to get confused. It sounds as though you are wanting a > report that combines the two? Is it my ignorance or am I just not > understanding what you are seeking? > -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.10.3/395 - Release Date: 7/21/2006 -------------------------------------- Having trouble with your subscription? Contact the List Admin at [email protected] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

John, Oh, yeah. I have installed 4.0, and it is just sitting there as blank as the space between my ears. And send you an attachment---are you kidding? What's an attachment? LOL and Smile. Everything will work it self out just as soon as my new FTM version 16 arrives.

There's more on Quaker dates and Old Style (Julian) vs "New Style" (Gregorian) calendars at the "Quaker Corner": http://www.rootsweb.com/~quakers/ See the link there for the "Quaker Calendar": http://www.illuminatrix.com/andria/quaker.html Kraig --- Patricia Page <[email protected]> wrote: > Dora > > have you subscribed to the rootsweb mailing lists for Quakers? > Maybe > someone there could help with the date issue. I appreciate your > dilemma as I have some of these, too. > > Patricia Page > BC Canada > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

Hi Jan, There are two reasons that I know of for getting a red x. One is when you have your email security set so that you cant get pictures or attachments, the second is when the Sender sends in a .tif format. Bear in mind there are two tif formats. One of them is only usable on the pc it is saved on, the other is CCITT [the extension is still .tif but you can send it via email] If you have already been to Tools/Security and unchecked the "block images etc" box then you need to ask the sender to resend. There is no way you can open the picture if it is an ordinary .tif because you dont actually have it. The x denotes where it would have been if it had been sent! Suitable formats are jpg, bmp, gif, CCITT. Regards Judith ----- Original Message ----- From: "Judith" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2006 3:17 PM Subject: Re: [GEN-COMP-TIPS] THAT RED X AGAIN > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Janet Buck" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Monday, October 09, 2006 10:44 PM > Subject: [GEN-COMP-TIPS] THAT RED X AGAIN > > > Hi > > I have followed Mitsy's instructions, but the red X is still there. I > cannot open an image in email. > > Any ideas please? > > Thanks, > Jan. > > >

No Vista has a problem with Norton's..But I downloaded Windows Live One care....Will see how that does. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2006 5:42 PM Subject: Re: [GEN-COMP-TIPS] (no subject) > At 05:22 AM 11/10/2006, you wrote: >>Will Vista not use the antivirus program that you used before you got >>Vista. > > No Vistra is a different Operating System so it needs a different > Anti-Virus program. > > > Gary in Sunny Queensland, Australia. > www.sunzine.net/rockhampton > Genealogy Page http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~liddellfamily/ > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.407 / Virus Database: 268.13.1/466 - Release Date: 7/10/2006 > > > -------------------------------------- > Having trouble with your subscription? Contact the List Admin at > [email protected] > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

[email protected] wrote: >John, just one problem. this computer illiterate doesn't know how to make a >Gedcom file. Even after reading about importing a Gedcom file. I still >don't comprehend. > Go to dummies.com and search for genealogy and you will find two books: Genealogy on line for dummies and FTM for Dummies. Search your library catalogues for genealogy and you will find lot of books on it including ones on the Internet and genealogy software. There are two FTM lists on rootsweb. One thing I remember is that some of the early versions of FTM used a GEDCOM version, 5.3 i think, that was not formally adopted and was not used by any other genealogy program. Generally creating a GEDCOM file is called exporting. Look for that in the FTM menu. bob gillis

Hi Gemeh This may seem a bit extreme, but if your file it not too big could you send it as an attachment to me. Then I could play around with it and see if I could make it into a GEDCOM. If I am successful I could then return it to you with easy to follow steps to load it on to your computer. Is there room to ask a dumb question? Have you installed FTM 4.0 on your new HD? The rule is, one is allowed one of these types of questions once a year and this was my one. (:=)) John

----- Original Message ----- From: "Janet Buck" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, October 09, 2006 10:44 PM Subject: [GEN-COMP-TIPS] THAT RED X AGAIN Hi I have followed Mitsy's instructions, but the red X is still there. I cannot open an image in email. Any ideas please? Thanks, Jan.