Absolutely Kraig I could not agree more, the best price of all but I guess like motoring you get used to something and its hard to change over. When I have used Open Office a while back I found it good though. Best wishes Nivard Ovington, in Cornwall (UK) > With all this discussion of MS Works vs Word/Office, I just have to > toss in a plug for OpenOffice.org. Compatible with MS Office files, > and free. > > Kraig

Well Paul you are ahead of me as I am still rumbling on with Office 2000 I am afraid the cost of Office 2003 is offputting, perhaps when I change this laptop of mine I may go for a later version, till then I shall put up with it. I have to say it does all I want it to do. As I understand it, Works added Word but the other parts are still lesser items to the Office components. I recall the hassle I had when changing from an early Works to Office and finding that Word would not read the documents I had saved in Works. Best wishes Nivard Ovington, in Cornwall (UK) > When I bought my Dell in 2003 it had Works 2002. I then bought Microsoft > Office 2003 for the Word, Excel (I was disgusted with their spreadsheet), > Power Point. With my new HP came Microsoft Works, which I never > installed. > I used the Office trial which was the same as the 2003 I had bought. I > don't think their has been a later version until the 2007 Beta which is a > whole new ballgame and so much different. It is really great. The color > schemes are different and the drop down menus are replaced with ribbons > and > tabs. I plan to convert to the new 2007 as soon as it is released.

Hi Paul How old was your Works Word? As I said before the older version of Works had an inferior word processor, then some time ago (I do not know exactly when) they added Word the standard version, depending on the version of Works (in this present thread its Works 8 that has Word 2002), which as Bob has said is pretty much the same as 2003, the later version has a few more bells and whistles. If you go to Microsoft's web site it tells you what is included in Works. Best wishes Nivard Ovington, in Cornwall (UK) > The version of Works word that I had installed on my old laptop was not > the > same product as the Word in Microsoft Office which is the standard > Microsoft > Word. They are two different products.

Bob you know precisely what I meant by that, if you buy a new PC package with various items of software you generally get an older or lesser issue than if you bought it from a shop on its own. You do not get Works suite 2006 you get Works 8, Works 8 has Word 2002 not 2003 Like all businesses, computer suppliers are there to make a profit and they will not buy the most up to date or advanced software licences as it costs more. I did not say it was not paid for or incomplete but it is in effect given as an enticement to buy the PC but no there is no such thing as a free lunch (the cost is in the PC). Often the PC supplier will preload software and not supply the CD with it on, again its saves a little. I am not blaming them but thats the way it is. Best wishes Nivard Ovington, in Cornwall (UK) > The MS Works loaded on an HP laptop or ant other computer such as DELL > or Gateway would be the complete and latest version of Works. HP pays > MS a license fee to load it on their computers. it is not given away. > > bob gillis

With all of this about Word and Works and Office Suite and Works Suite: There are several levels of Office and Office Suite, all contain Word and Excel, I think, and go up from there. Does anyone realize that MS Works comes without MS Word. (About $50) --It has a word processor and a spreadsheet, but they aren't compatible with, or comparable to Word and Excel.-- MS Works SUITE comes with MS Word and a few other things.(about $100) http://www.microsoft.com/products/works/ProductDetails.aspx?pid=002&active_tab=Compare Alfred

OpenOffice.org is just a free alternative to MS Office, nothing more. It can open and write Word (.doc) and Excel (.xls) files (and Powerpoint, 'tho maybe not perfectly). I'm not quite sure what you mean by "gather up" -- OpenOffice will open the MS Office files in "My Documents" or any other place where you've stored them, if that's what you mean. It doesn't "gather" and re-copy all the files to its own directory, by default. If you have MS Office installed already, there's no reason to remove it. You can use either MS Office or OpenOffice -- whichever you prefer. In fact, since there are a few ways which MS Office and OOo are not compatible, it's not a bad idea to keep both programs, "just in case". Kraig --- Joe Twitchin <[email protected]> wrote: > Thanks Kraig ........ I am downloading it as I write this. > Tell me does it 'gather up' all that I have in 'MS Office' files and, > if it > does, can I get rid of what remains of 'MS Office' without any > problem? > Joe ____________________________________________________________________________________ Cheap Talk? Check out Yahoo! Messenger's low PC-to-Phone call rates (http://voice.yahoo.com)

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Hi Dennis, Many thanks for your message, as suggested I have signed up for a 60 day trial, which is quite long enough for my purpose. regards Rita _________________________________________________________________ Be the first to hear what's new at MSN - sign up to our free newsletters! http://www.msn.co.uk/newsletters

A big LOL! -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of K Jones Sent: Friday, November 03, 2006 5:29 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [GEN-COMP-TIPS] Word 2003 versus Microsoft Works With all this discussion of MS Works vs Word/Office, I just have to toss in a plug for OpenOffice.org. Compatible with MS Office files, and free. Kraig ____________________________________________________________________________ ________ Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail (http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/mailbeta/) -------------------------------------- Having trouble with your subscription? Contact the List Admin at [email protected] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Nivard, Check the Teacher/Student version of Microsoft Office. It is only a fraction of the cost of the full version. I think it is only missing Power Point but I may be wrong. After you buy Office, you can add other components to the basics. You can later add, Power Point, Front Page, OneNote, etc. But, do check on the cost of the Teacher/Student version. I know of several people that went that route and then added components as they could be afforded. -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Nivard Ovington Sent: Friday, November 03, 2006 5:17 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [GEN-COMP-TIPS] Word 2003 versus Microsoft Works Well Paul you are ahead of me as I am still rumbling on with Office 2000 I am afraid the cost of Office 2003 is offputting, perhaps when I change this laptop of mine I may go for a later version, till then I shall put up with it. I have to say it does all I want it to do. As I understand it, Works added Word but the other parts are still lesser items to the Office components. I recall the hassle I had when changing from an early Works to Office and finding that Word would not read the documents I had saved in Works. Best wishes Nivard Ovington, in Cornwall (UK)

I understand that Works is a very cheap version of WORD, and not the same thing. It sounds like noone has clearly explained that to you. If this class you are taking works on Works it is either because what you need to use is really on teh course CD, or because Works has the features the course teaches, which may be very basic features. Most public library computers have WORD installed on them, and some even teach classes on WORD. But I learned WORD by using it. Yours, Dora Smith Austin, TX [email protected] ----- Original Message ----- From: "bob gillis" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, November 03, 2006 8:48 AM Subject: Re: [GEN-COMP-TIPS] Word 2003 versus Microsoft Works > > > Rita Barfield wrote: > >>I am very confused. >> >>I have today enrolled for H P online classes in Word 2003 starting >>shortly. >> >>However, I can't find Word 2003 on my laptop. I recently purchased a HP >>Pavilion dv5157eu, which comes with Microsoft Works. >> -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.10.3/395 - Release Date: 7/21/2006

When I bought my Dell in 2003 it had Works 2002. I then bought Microsoft Office 2003 for the Word, Excel (I was disgusted with their spreadsheet), Power Point. With my new HP came Microsoft Works, which I never installed. I used the Office trial which was the same as the 2003 I had bought. I don't think their has been a later version until the 2007 Beta which is a whole new ballgame and so much different. It is really great. The color schemes are different and the drop down menus are replaced with ribbons and tabs. I plan to convert to the new 2007 as soon as it is released. -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Nivard Ovington Sent: Friday, November 03, 2006 3:57 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [GEN-COMP-TIPS] Word 2003 versus Microsoft Works Hi Paul How old was your Works Word? As I said before the older version of Works had an inferior word processor, then some time ago (I do not know exactly when) they added Word the standard version, depending on the version of Works (in this present thread its Works 8 that has Word 2002), which as Bob has said is pretty much the same as 2003, the later version has a few more bells and whistles. If you go to Microsoft's web site it tells you what is included in Works. Best wishes Nivard Ovington, in Cornwall (UK)

Rita After reading the details in the link to the HP site, it seems to me that you have a trial copy of Word 2003, valid for 60 days after activation by the product key. If you still want to do the online tutorial you have 60 days to try it out, after which time you can decide if you want to purchase the software. RecumbentDennis in Chester UK ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rita Barfield" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, November 03, 2006 3:36 PM Subject: [GEN-COMP-TIPS] Works versus Word > > > My thanks to all who responded to my query regarding Word 2003 on a new > notebook. The general opinion seems to be that Microsoft Works Word package > will not be sufficient to use the online tutorials that I was interested in. > > I have not yet decided whether I think it worth buying Word 2003. > > kind regards > Rita

Nivard Ovington wrote: >Hi Judy > >Very early versions of Works had an inferior word processor but for several >years now it contains a standard version of Word, usually these Works suites >given away are a couple of years old but still similar to the later >versions. > The MS Works loaded on an HP laptop or ant other computer such as DELL or Gateway would be the complete and latest version of Works. HP pays MS a license fee to load it on their computers. it is not given away. bob gillis

I don't think that WORD 2003 is that much different than 2000 in the basics bob gillis Rita Barfield wrote: > > Hi Judy, > > Just as I thought. Thanks for your reply, which was easy for me to > understand. > My son has Word 2000 but not 2003, not sure whether I will bother with > the course after all. > > kind regards > > Rita > >> Rita, it sounds as if Word 2003 did not come on your new computer. >> They used >> to bundle it with new computers, but once they got firmly positioned >> in the >> market, they don't need to do that any more. The word processor in >> Microsoft >> Works is a watered down, feature-poor version of Word, much like >> WordPad or >> NotePad. It will probably not have the features being taught in your >> course. >> >> If you want to use Word 2003, you will have to buy it, either as a >> stand-alone or in the Office Suite 2003. :>( >> >> Judy in Ocala > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Windows Live" Messenger has arrived. Click here to download it for > free! http://imagine-msn.com/messenger/launch80/?locale=en-gb > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >-------------------------------------- >Having trouble with your subscription? Contact the List Admin at [email protected] >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >No virus found in this incoming message. >Checked by AVG Free Edition. >Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.13.25/515 - Release Date: 11/3/2006 > >

The version of Works word that I had installed on my old laptop was not the same product as the Word in Microsoft Office which is the standard Microsoft Word. They are two different products. -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of bob gillis Sent: Friday, November 03, 2006 3:09 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [GEN-COMP-TIPS] Word 2003 versus Microsoft Works Nivard Ovington wrote: >Hi Judy > >Very early versions of Works had an inferior word processor but for several >years now it contains a standard version of Word, usually these Works suites >given away are a couple of years old but still similar to the later >versions. > The MS Works loaded on an HP laptop or ant other computer such as DELL or Gateway would be the complete and latest version of Works. HP pays MS a license fee to load it on their computers. it is not given away. bob gillis -------------------------------------- Having trouble with your subscription? Contact the List Admin at [email protected] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

My thanks to all who responded to my query regarding Word 2003 on a new notebook. The general opinion seems to be that Microsoft Works Word package will not be sufficient to use the online tutorials that I was interested in. I have not yet decided whether I think it worth buying Word 2003. kind regards Rita _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live™ Messenger has arrived. Click here to download it for free! http://imagine-msn.com/messenger/launch80/?locale=en-gb

With all this discussion of MS Works vs Word/Office, I just have to toss in a plug for OpenOffice.org. Compatible with MS Office files, and free. Kraig ____________________________________________________________________________________ Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail (http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/mailbeta/)

Hi Judy, Just as I thought. Thanks for your reply, which was easy for me to understand. My son has Word 2000 but not 2003, not sure whether I will bother with the course after all. kind regards Rita >Rita, it sounds as if Word 2003 did not come on your new computer. They >used >to bundle it with new computers, but once they got firmly positioned in the >market, they don't need to do that any more. The word processor in >Microsoft >Works is a watered down, feature-poor version of Word, much like WordPad or >NotePad. It will probably not have the features being taught in your >course. > >If you want to use Word 2003, you will have to buy it, either as a >stand-alone or in the Office Suite 2003. :>( > >Judy in Ocala _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live™ Messenger has arrived. Click here to download it for free! http://imagine-msn.com/messenger/launch80/?locale=en-gb

http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/training/CR061958171033.aspx Hi Bob, Yes, recently a lister gave me the above link for a Microsoft tutorial in Word. However, when it comes to downloading the Practice papers, I receive the message:- """"Microsoft Office Word 2003 was not found To download and use this practice file, you need to have Microsoft Office Word 2003 installed on your computer. This program was not found on your computer. However, you can continue with the rest of the course if you want."" Because of the above, I thought I would take up HP offer of online tutorials in Word 2003, but I am concerned the same problem will occur. I have Microsoft Works Version 8, with a word processor, but the courses only talk about WORD 2003. Thank you for your patience and assistance. regards Rita >From: bob gillis <[email protected]> >Reply-To: [email protected] >To: [email protected] >Subject: Re: [GEN-COMP-TIPS] Word 2003 versus Microsoft Works >Date: Fri, 03 Nov 2006 09:48:20 -0500 > > > >Rita Barfield wrote: > > >I am very confused. > > > >I have today enrolled for H P online classes in Word 2003 starting >shortly. > > > >However, I can't find Word 2003 on my laptop. I recently purchased a HP > >Pavilion dv5157eu, which comes with Microsoft Works. > > > >Rita do you have an icon on your desktop for WORKS. If you click on it >what do you get? > >AFAIK, MS Works had WORD as its word processor. I would think you have >an icon on your Desktop that says Microsoft WORKS or Microsoft WORD. > >When I installed MS Office I got a Word Icon and an Excel Icon. I would >think Works would have the same setup. > >bob gillis > > > > >I have contacted HP regarding this issue, but don't really understand the > >reply I received. > >Cut and pasted below:- > > > >I understand from your email that you have an HP Pavilion dv5157eu > >Notebook and you want details about Microsoft 2003. > >Rita, I would like to inform you that since the Microsoft is installed > >on your notebook you can continue learning Microsoft 2003 which is the > >basic course and will be useful to use Microsoft office. However, you can > >download the trial version of Microsoft 2003 from the web site given . > >Rita, I will refer you a document on our HP web site which has all the > >troubleshooting steps to be performed to resolve this issue. Instead of > >sending this document in a text format, we are referring you to the Web, > >where this information is easier to read with graphics. > >http://h10025.www1.hp.com/ewfrf/wc/document?docname=c00764322&cc=us&lc=en&dlc=en&product=1848243&dlc=en&lang=en#N742 > > > > > >Can someone please tell me if I will be able to partake in the HP course >on > >Word 2003, with my particular notebook. > > > >Not knowing what you asked HP about WORD2003, I cannot tel if it answers >the question you asked. > >I thought someone gave you a url for a MS online course in WORD2003. > >The above URL is about problems instlling MS Office which you do not >have unless you paid extra for it. > >bob gillis > >-------------------------------------- >Having trouble with your subscription? Contact the List Admin at >[email protected] >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >[email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >quotes in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ Download the new Windows Live Toolbar, including Desktop search! http://toolbar.live.com/?mkt=en-gb