Hi, John! воскресенье, 27 октября 2013 г., 0:06:24 UTC+4 пользователь John Dobson написал: > Hi Alexander, > > > > The usual name of this family is De Hertaing van Marquette (they were originally seigneurs of Marquette in Hainault), but I will follow the spellings of the original records even when they are wrong. Apolonia Frederika, daughter of Louis Daniel van Hartaing [sic] de Marquette and Bartha Catharina Bitter, was baptized 10 October 1741 in the Westerkerk, Amsterdam, with sponsors Apolonia Coessaart wed[uw]e Bitter and Fredrik van der Does, Heere van Alblas[serdam] & Heemstede (Amsterdam DTB 110:682). This information is in conflict with the data that I took from the book O. Shutte "Repertoria vertegenwoordigers in Nederland en in het buitenland 1584-1810". (Gravenhage, 1983): "Gabriel Marie Ernst graaf Golovkin, geb. 6 maan 1731, eerst in Franse dienst als "marquis de Ferrassières"; luitenant-kolonel en kapitein bij de Zwitserse garde 11 sept. 1762, kolonel 24 aug. 1772. generaal-majoor 25 okt. 1787, luitenant-generaal 28 febr. 1794 in Staatse dienst, adjudant- generaal van prins Willem V, gouverneur van Amsterdam en de provin- cie Holland, f 17 febr. 1800, trouwde le (ondertr. 's-Gravenhagc 15 sept. 1765) Apollonia Frederica barones de Hertaing van Marquette, geb. 8 nov. 1743, f 18 sept. 1785, dochter van Frederik de Hertaing van Marquette en N. Bitter; trouwde 2e 6 okt. 1786 Jacqueline Charlotte de Saumaise, geb. 12 aug. 1734, hofdame van de prinses van Nassau-Weilburg, t Ber- lijn 18.., dochter van Louis de Saumaise". (S.564) I have no idea from what sources the author took this data. But it is obvious that your information on the Appolonia parents fills part of some gaps in this matter. Well, now thanks to your important information it can try to establish a link between Louis Daniel d'Hertaing and other sources known members of this family. Thank you a lot, John! Alexander, Moscow, Russia воскресенье, 27 октября 2013 г., 0:06:24 UTC+4 пользователь John Dobson написал: > Hi Alexander, > > > > The usual name of this family is De Hertaing van Marquette (they were originally seigneurs of Marquette in Hainault), but I will follow the spellings of the original records even when they are wrong. Apolonia Frederika, daughter of Louis Daniel van Hartaing [sic] de Marquette and Bartha Catharina Bitter, was baptized 10 October 1741 in the Westerkerk, Amsterdam, with sponsors Apolonia Coessaart wed[uw]e Bitter and Fredrik van der Does, Heere van Alblas[serdam] & Heemstede (Amsterdam DTB 110:682). Louis Daniel d'Hertaing de Marquette and Bartha Catharina Bitter also appear as parents in other Amsterdam baptismal records through to 1746, > > > > Louis Daniel van Hertaing de Marquette, van 's Gravenhage, aged 30 years [thus born 1705-06], living on Den Amstel, accompanied by his mother Maria Magdalena van Appelthorn, and Bartha Catharina Bitter, van Batavia, aged 22 years [thus born 1713-14], accompanied by her mother Apolonia Coesart, were betrothed 13 April 1736 at Amsterdam (Amsterdam DTB 578:216). According to I. H. van Eeghen, "Het Huis met de Hoofden," Amstelodamum Maanblad 38 (1951): 137-41, at p. 138, Bartha Catharina Bitter died 25 January 1751 at Amsterdam; the burial followed on 30 January (Amsterdam Begraafregister Index; original record not checked). > > > > Apolonia Coesaart and her husband Arnold Bitter appear to have had only one child baptized at Amsterdam: Johanna Apolonia, baptized 3 April 1726 in the Zuiderkerk, with sponsors Cornelis de Graat, and Johanna Maria [van] Riebeek (Amsterdam DTB 101:118). > > > > Apollonia Coessart served as baptismal sponsor to Jacob Fredrick, son of Jan Noach du Fay and Anna Levina Leenderts, on 19 December 1717 in the Zuiderkerk, Amsterdam (Amsterdam DTB 100:267), and this provides a clue to her husband's background. From K. L. van Schouwenburg, "Over de Nobel's: Genealogie en geschiedenis," De Nederlandsche Leeuw 103 (1986): cols. 5-53, it can be seen that Anna Levina Leendertsz. was a daughter of Andries Leendertsz. by his first wife, Maria Ockens, and a stepdaughter of Bartha Bitter, b. 10 July 1661 at Harderwijk, d. 9 November 1711 at Batavia, daughter of Mr. Joan Bitter and Barta Eygels. These last persons, then, were presumably the parents of Arnold Bitter, and a Google search retrieves a number of items which strongly suggest that this is true. Earlier generations of the Bitter-Eygels ancestry can be found in "Kwartierstaat Mallien-Leyssius," http://sennewini.blogspot.ca/p/kwartierstaat-mallienleyssius-vtm-xx.html. > > > > I am not descended from this family myself, and have not checked other sources. > > > > Best wishes, > > John Blythe Dobson > > Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada > > > > ________________________________________ > > From: gen-benelux-bounces@rootsweb.com [gen-benelux-bounces@rootsweb.com] on behalf of Alexander Agamov [commeng1970@gmail.com] > > Sent: Saturday, October 26, 2013 5:35 AM > > To: gen-benelux@rootsweb.com > > Subject: Re: [GEN-BENELUX] Need information about Dutch Family Hertaing de Marquette > > > > Richard, thank you a lot! > > Google Books gives information about earlier history of family. To my sorry I didn't find info about this family in 18th century. > > http://books.google.ru/books?id=WlRbAAAAQAAJ&printsec=frontcover&hl=ru#v=onepage&q=Hertaing&f=false > > > > Alexander > > Moscow, Russia > > > > суббота, 26 октября 2013 г., 4:30:13 UTC+4 пользователь Richard van Schaik написал: > > > On 25-10-2013 23:36, Alexander Agamov wrote: > > > > > > > Russianborn Сount Gabriel Golovkin (1731-1800) married 1765 Appolonia de Hertaing de Marquette (1743-1785). O. Shutte in his fundamental book "Vertegenwoordigers Repertoria in Nederland en in het buitenland 1584-1810" (Gravenhage, 1983) says that Appolonia was the daughter of Frederick de Hernaing and his wife unknoun by name of Bitter family. I am looking for information on ancestors of this Appolinia. > > > > > > > In his "Memoires", Feodor Golovkin (1766-1823), son of Gabriel, wrote that through his mother's family goes back to the brother of the first master of the hospitaller order du Puy. I am trying to build the line, but I cannot find the genealogy of the de Hertaing de Marquette. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you in advance, > > > > > > > Alexander > > > > > > > Moscow, Russia > > > > > > > > > > > > Searched a bit and indeed nothing handy for your problem. > > > > > > Options: > > > > > > 1) Marquette might be Heemskerk (has "castle" Marquette) > > > > > > 2) "Adelsboek" can't access that at the moment (computer fails me) > > > > > > > > > > > > Richard > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > Richard van Schaik > > > > > > f.m.a.vanschaikREMOVE@THISgmail.com > > > > > > http://www.fmavanschaik.nl/ > > > > > > The world is one big madhouse and this is main office. > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GEN-BENELUX-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message воскресенье, 27 октября 2013 г., 0:06:24 UTC+4 пользователь John Dobson написал: > Hi Alexander, > > > > The usual name of this family is De Hertaing van Marquette (they were originally seigneurs of Marquette in Hainault), but I will follow the spellings of the original records even when they are wrong. Apolonia Frederika, daughter of Louis Daniel van Hartaing [sic] de Marquette and Bartha Catharina Bitter, was baptized 10 October 1741 in the Westerkerk, Amsterdam, with sponsors Apolonia Coessaart wed[uw]e Bitter and Fredrik van der Does, Heere van Alblas[serdam] & Heemstede (Amsterdam DTB 110:682). Louis Daniel d'Hertaing de Marquette and Bartha Catharina Bitter also appear as parents in other Amsterdam baptismal records through to 1746, > > > > Louis Daniel van Hertaing de Marquette, van 's Gravenhage, aged 30 years [thus born 1705-06], living on Den Amstel, accompanied by his mother Maria Magdalena van Appelthorn, and Bartha Catharina Bitter, van Batavia, aged 22 years [thus born 1713-14], accompanied by her mother Apolonia Coesart, were betrothed 13 April 1736 at Amsterdam (Amsterdam DTB 578:216). According to I. H. van Eeghen, "Het Huis met de Hoofden," Amstelodamum Maanblad 38 (1951): 137-41, at p. 138, Bartha Catharina Bitter died 25 January 1751 at Amsterdam; the burial followed on 30 January (Amsterdam Begraafregister Index; original record not checked). > > > > Apolonia Coesaart and her husband Arnold Bitter appear to have had only one child baptized at Amsterdam: Johanna Apolonia, baptized 3 April 1726 in the Zuiderkerk, with sponsors Cornelis de Graat, and Johanna Maria [van] Riebeek (Amsterdam DTB 101:118). > > > > Apollonia Coessart served as baptismal sponsor to Jacob Fredrick, son of Jan Noach du Fay and Anna Levina Leenderts, on 19 December 1717 in the Zuiderkerk, Amsterdam (Amsterdam DTB 100:267), and this provides a clue to her husband's background. From K. L. van Schouwenburg, "Over de Nobel's: Genealogie en geschiedenis," De Nederlandsche Leeuw 103 (1986): cols. 5-53, it can be seen that Anna Levina Leendertsz. was a daughter of Andries Leendertsz. by his first wife, Maria Ockens, and a stepdaughter of Bartha Bitter, b. 10 July 1661 at Harderwijk, d. 9 November 1711 at Batavia, daughter of Mr. Joan Bitter and Barta Eygels. These last persons, then, were presumably the parents of Arnold Bitter, and a Google search retrieves a number of items which strongly suggest that this is true. Earlier generations of the Bitter-Eygels ancestry can be found in "Kwartierstaat Mallien-Leyssius," http://sennewini.blogspot.ca/p/kwartierstaat-mallienleyssius-vtm-xx.html. > > > > I am not descended from this family myself, and have not checked other sources. > > > > Best wishes, > > John Blythe Dobson > > Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada > > > > ________________________________________ > > From: gen-benelux-bounces@rootsweb.com [gen-benelux-bounces@rootsweb.com] on behalf of Alexander Agamov [commeng1970@gmail.com] > > Sent: Saturday, October 26, 2013 5:35 AM > > To: gen-benelux@rootsweb.com > > Subject: Re: [GEN-BENELUX] Need information about Dutch Family Hertaing de Marquette > > > > Richard, thank you a lot! > > Google Books gives information about earlier history of family. To my sorry I didn't find info about this family in 18th century. > > http://books.google.ru/books?id=WlRbAAAAQAAJ&printsec=frontcover&hl=ru#v=onepage&q=Hertaing&f=false > > > > Alexander > > Moscow, Russia > > > > суббота, 26 октября 2013 г., 4:30:13 UTC+4 пользователь Richard van Schaik написал: > > > On 25-10-2013 23:36, Alexander Agamov wrote: > > > > > > > Russianborn Сount Gabriel Golovkin (1731-1800) married 1765 Appolonia de Hertaing de Marquette (1743-1785). O. Shutte in his fundamental book "Vertegenwoordigers Repertoria in Nederland en in het buitenland 1584-1810" (Gravenhage, 1983) says that Appolonia was the daughter of Frederick de Hernaing and his wife unknoun by name of Bitter family. I am looking for information on ancestors of this Appolinia. > > > > > > > In his "Memoires", Feodor Golovkin (1766-1823), son of Gabriel, wrote that through his mother's family goes back to the brother of the first master of the hospitaller order du Puy. I am trying to build the line, but I cannot find the genealogy of the de Hertaing de Marquette. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you in advance, > > > > > > > Alexander > > > > > > > Moscow, Russia > > > > > > > > > > > > Searched a bit and indeed nothing handy for your problem. > > > > > > Options: > > > > > > 1) Marquette might be Heemskerk (has "castle" Marquette) > > > > > > 2) "Adelsboek" can't access that at the moment (computer fails me) > > > > > > > > > > > > Richard > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > Richard van Schaik > > > > > > f.m.a.vanschaikREMOVE@THISgmail.com > > > > > > http://www.fmavanschaik.nl/ > > > > > > The world is one big madhouse and this is main office. > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GEN-BENELUX-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message