"John W. Kitz" <John.Kitz-gen@xs4all.nl> wrote on 27 Apr 2017 in soc.genealogy.benelux: > Jane, > > On 2017-04-27 01:48, Jane Lapp wrote: >> I am looking for ancestors and information for Joseph Bintz. Joseph >> was born 8 March 1873 in Belgium but I don't know where. > > There's a Joseph Bintz listed on FamilySearch > (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:JJ6L-PJD) who was born in > Hondelange or Hondelingen (see below) and is supposed to have arrived at > New York, Ellis Island on the 5th of April 1910: > > Given Name: Joseph > Surname: Bintz > Last Place of Residence: Hondelingen, Belgium > Event Date: 05 Apr 1910 > Age: 26y > Nationality: Belgium, Flemish > Departure Port: Antwerp > Arrival Port: New York > Gender: Female(??) > Marital Status: M > Ship Name: Finland > > There are several other listings of the name Joseph Bintz on FS. > >> And his >> eventual wife, she was from Marie Hornick - Stiren born in Hondelange > > If you're sure about Hondelange; Hondelange (in Dutch, which appear to > be pronounced as Hondel in Luxemburgois(?), Hindlindje in Walloon or > Hundelingen in German) is a village in the Belgian province named > Luxembourg (bordering, but not to be confused with, the country > Luxembourg). > > On wiewaswie.nl (who-was-who), a website of the Dutch Center for Family > History, I found about 70 listings (incl. family advertisements) of > individuals with the last name 'Bintz', the first one, of a Johannes > Bintz (who at first glance looks to have been in the military), dating > from the early 1700's. > > On the same site there are about 40 listings of the lastname 'Hornick', > the earliest dating from the late 1600's and just a couple of the last > names 'Stiren' en 'van Stiren'. > >> Belgium 26 January 1883, She died 16 March 1943 in Menominee, >> Michigan. She had a daughter out of wedlock, named Suzzanne. >> >> Joseph Bintz father was Nicholos Bintz I don't know his date of birth >> or death. Nicholos' wife was Annie Theisen. > > On the same site there are about 350 listings of the last name > 'Theisen', the earliest dating from the late 1500's. > >> I do not have any more >> information about her, They had one more son John Bintz, born 1860 in >> Luxembourg I am told. He came to the USA and died 1932 in Pond, >> Wisconsin, they had many children. John's wife was Berth Lyman born >> 06 March 1871 in Germany. She died 07 September 1982 in Coleman, >> Wisconsin. > > Looking at the information you sent there's quite a bit, but most of it > appears to be from word of mouth and somewhat uncertain, so it might be > a good idea to start looking at the information on FamilySearch, in > particular the one listing of the 1910 immigration and work your way > back from there. > > This might also give you more information to continue your search at > this end of the big pond, should you decide to pursue that. > > I hope the above contains some information that helps you a bit further. > > Enjoy your journey into the past and have a great weekend. If we look at his marriage, which would have been taken place 3 days after his above arrival [is that even probable?]: Name Joseph Bintz Age (Expanded) 37 years Birth Year 1873 Birthplace Belgium Spouse's Name Marie Stiren Spouse's Age (Expanded) 27 years Spouse's Birth Year 1883 Spouse's Birthplace Belgium Event Date 08 Apr 1910 Event Place Escanaba, Delta, Michigan Father's Name Nicholas Bintz Mother's Name Annie Heisen Spouse's Father's Name Nicholas Stiren Spouse's Mother's Name Helene Harnich And then in the censusses of 1930 [Oshkosh, Winnebago, Wisconsin] and 1940 [Peshtigo Town, Marinette, Wisconsin], we find a Dutch[!] speaking Joseph Bintz of the same age is a "married" "inmate" born in Belgium, we must conclude that he spent his forming years in the Dutch [Flemish] speaking part of Belgium [which would not preclude him being born in the Francophone/Lëtzebuergesch Luxembourgh province, of course]. In 1998 there was discussion about the probable location of Hondelingen here: <http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/TRIER-ROOTS/1998- 01/0886190954> <https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hondelange> <https://www.geni.com/people/Joseph-Bintz/6000000014695482826> Now "Helene Harnich" and "Madaline Horwick" here could very well be one and the same person: [November 28, 2009 Finding a Belgium Ancestor] <http://askolivetree.blogspot.nl/2009_11_01_archive.html> A "Nicholas Bintz" was born in nearby Bébange, Belgium on 5 Sep 1742 Son of Jean Pierre Bintz a, brother to Anna Bintz <https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Bintz-12> To complicate things [sorry, I love to do that] in Hontenisse[!], Zeeland, Netherlands in the late 1700s, there was a family called "Hornick". -- Evertjan. The Netherlands. (Please change the x'es to dots in my emailaddress)