Dear Wind-dancer - I am responding to your message about researching Creek Indians/Black Native Americans. You said: "There were Alabama Indian's that was a name of the tribe in those days. some intermarried with A Native Americans. that is a tribe you should explore also." ========== In a book I have, entitled "Creeks and Seminoles", by J. Leitch Wright, Jr., U. of Nebraska Press, 1986, in Chaper One of his book, Mr. Wright attempts to differentiate between all the tribal or linguistic groups in the area, as follows. Things in brackets [ ] are my language... "Chapter One--The Southeastern Muscogulges This is the story of an Indian people--the Muscogulges--who were not a people, and of Indian nations--the Creeks and Seminoles--that were not nations. During the late eighteenth and early nineteenth centuries assorted Indians lived in the present-day Georgia, Alabama, and Florida. The alternative to referring to them as Muscogulges, Creeks and Seminoles is to rely of a welter of tribal (or linguistic) names: Yamasee, Tuckabatchee, Hitchiti, Koasati, Alabama, Timucua, Natches, Shawnee, and Tuchi. The list is a long one, fifty to a hundred or so. By the late eighteenth century these tribes, remnants of those who greeted de Soto in the sixteenth century, had been incalculably reduced in numbers, and many approached extention. It would be more accurate to refer to them by their individual tribal names, but it would also be more awkward. Thus, in the name of expediency, we refer to Creeks, Seminoles, and the imprecise but all-encompassing Muscogulgee." Another couple of enlightening sentences: o "Oral traditions recount how Hitchiti speakers had lived for many centuries thoughout the Southeast, including on the Ocmulgee River in Georgia. Subsequently western intruders (Muskogees) settled on Hitchiti lands. The Hitchiti word for these Muskogees was Ochesee. English settlers founded Charleston in 1670, and within a short time Carolinians traded with Indians in the Southeast, among who were those living on Ochesee Creek (the upper Ocmulgee River). Traders from Charleston and their packhourse trains stopped by Ochesee Creek, bartering manufactures for deerskins. They referred to the Indians there as Ochesee Creeks, Ochesees, and eventually simply as Creeks....... Ochesee Creeks along with other Indians [eventually] retired westward to the Chattahoochee River [that divides AL and GA] and settled various towns near Columbus, Georgia...Coweta and Kasihta....[these] Indians ...sometimes known as Cowetas and other times as Ochesee Creeks or Creeks." o "The trouble with all this [the myrid of names] is that the Indians considered themselves what they had always been--Yuchis, Cowetas, Coosas, Alabamas, Shawnees, Tuskegees, among many others. As far as we know Muskogee was the language of the true Muskogees, of Coweta, Kasihta, Coosa, and Abihka, the core of founding towns of the Creek nation...." Later discussions in the book include a chapter on "Black Muscogulges [also referred to as "Creek"] and other chapters relate the Creek relationship to and history shared by the Seminoles, those found predominantly in Florida. I don't know anything about the quality or reliability of Mr. Wright's scholarship...looks pretty darn authoritative to me... but his book has provided useful background about the history of the Southeastern region and has helped me to understand that identyfing southeastern tribes is not as simple as going to the standard registers for the five so-called civililized tribes. It also explains a lot about place names in the area--especially in AL-- and clarifies that not every Native east of the Mississippi was a Cherokee--which, after a time, seem to have become the generic definition for anyone with Native ancestry. I suspect the same linguistic challenges occur with every Native group. Thank you for sharing your interest and comments. Annette
I am trying to trace relatives of one of my ancestors a Andreas HAUK who emigrated to South Africa in the 1700's on board a ship called the "Oud Carspel".He was a soldier and came from Camberg (now Bad Camberg). Can anyone help please ????? Thank You Nick Hough
>The following Slave holders and/or Plantations were mentioned in Series G >of the Antebellum Records of Southern Plantations: > >James Franklin Perry and Stephen Samuel Perry Papers >1786-1865 Brazoria County, Texas (Peach Point) >Large ranchers with more than one plantation. Brothers originally from >Missouri and Ohio > >Preston Rode Papers 1832-1893 >Victoria County Texas >Family moved from Mississippi to Louisiana to Texas. > >John P. Bolton Account Book & Plantation Records >1853-1863 Wharton County, Texas > >Albert Clinton Horton Papers 1850 - 1881 >Wharton, Matagorda Counties, Texas >Sale of slaves by Josiah S. Brown of Charlestown, S.C. to Horton > >James Madison Hall Family Papers 1813 - 1865 >Houston County, Texas >The Halls were orginally from Maryland >------------------------------------------------------------------------- >- African Ancestored Genealogy Discussion >- To unsubscribe, email: Majordomo@MsState.Edu >- In body of message: unsubscribe afrigeneas >- >- Afrigeneas archives: http://www.msstate.edu/listarchives/afrigeneas/ >------------------------------------------------------------------------- >
I am researching the families of (Samuel (or Seymour)) Frazier and (Grace) Cummings, both originally of South Georgia and recently (1920+) of Central Florida, Oviedo and Jacksonville. Also the family of Elijah and Maggie Lemon, born 186_ in Florida, and his children lived there until their decease. Samuel and Grace are my maternal grandparents, Elijah and Maggie paternal. I will share any info I have with anyone who may be searching these roots. Thanks Stephen
>>From Roots Web Review Vol 1 No. 13, 9 September 1998 > >TOP 10 UPLOADS TO THE USGENWEB ARCHIVES (DIGITAL LIBRARY): ><http://www.rootsweb.com/~usgenweb> > >1887-1891 Marriages of Laramie, Albany County, Wyoming > transcribed by Jack Murray >1850 Federal Census, Alleghany County, Virginia > transcribed by Barbara White >1870 Federal Census, Charlotte County, Virginia > (Actual images of the microfilm are also being uploaded, > courtesy of the transcriber, Bernard Rodenhizer) >Early Marriages, Dallas County, Texas > Dallas County Genealogical Society >World War I Civilian Draft Registrations: Idaho, Mississippi > Courtesy of Raymond H. Banks >1880 Federal Census, Sedgwick County, Kansas > Transcribed by Kary Wild >1910 Census, Skagway, Alaska > Courtesy of Doreen Cooper >Dallas County, Texas -- Marriage Book P, 1896-1897 > Dallas County Genealogical Society >Livingston Parish, Louisiana -- Cemeteries >Lafayette Parish, Louisiana -- Cemeteries >Civil War: 16th Maine Infantry > Courtesy of Bruce Towers > > * * * * * > * * * * * > >PERMISSION TO REPRINT articles from ROOTSWEB REVIEW is granted >unless specifically stated otherwise, PROVIDED: (1) the reprint >is used for non-commercial, educational purposes; (2) full credit >is given to RootsWeb Genealogical Data Cooperative and the author >involved, in a notice crediting RootsWeb Review (volume, number, >publication date, and the address of RootsWeb's main Web page at ><http://www.rootsweb.com>) and the author (name, e-mail address, >and URL, if applicable). > > * * * * * > > > > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------- >- African Ancestored Genealogy Discussion >- To unsubscribe, email: Majordomo@MsState.Edu >- In body of message: unsubscribe afrigeneas >- >- Afrigeneas archives: http://www.msstate.edu/listarchives/afrigeneas/ >------------------------------------------------------------------------- >
>Forward >From: "Pattycakes" <psal@aye.net> >To: GEN-NEWBIE-L@rootsweb.com > >SOUTHERN INDIANA GENEALOGICAL SOCIETY ANNOUNCES: >Our 5th Annual Genealogical Fair will be held this November 7, 1998; 10:00 >am - 3:00 p.m. at the Green Valley Elementary School at 2230 Green Valley >Road in New Albany, Indiana. We wish to extend an open invitation to each >and everyone to attend our Fair. We will have many genealogy vendors, >libraries and authors set up to help you with that proverbial "stone wall" >. >This Fair is free to the public, door prizes will be awarded throughout >the day. We will also have mini workshops ongoing during the day also. The >LDS missionaries will be there to explain Family Search on the computer. >Please plan to attend. >If you have any questions or need directions please feel >free to contact me at psal@aye.net , spcarpenter@ka.net or >d.geneo@juno.com. >You can also check out our web site at www.ka.net/spcarpenter/index.html >for further information. > >------------------------------------------------------------------------- >- African Ancestored Genealogy Discussion >- To unsubscribe, email: Majordomo@MsState.Edu >- In body of message: unsubscribe afrigeneas >- >- Afrigeneas archives: http://www.msstate.edu/listarchives/afrigeneas/ >------------------------------------------------------------------------- >
>We need a more appropriate word than Geek for AfAm computer nerds. Any >suggestions? > >You May Be a Geek if.....You... > > 1. Have e-mail addresses on more than 3 servers. > 2. For fun you think up funny domain names. (My favorite is > "www.dot.com" get it? dot-dot-dot-com. > 3. Have more money invested in your computer than your car. ...and don't > see any thing wrong with it. > 4. Would rather die than buy a "dummies" book. > 5. Think people who can't set the clock on the VCR are pathetic. > 6. Have ever tried to verbally coax an answer from your computer. > 7. Have ever included :-) in an e-mail message. > 8. Have ever used a computer for more than 6 straight hours (while not > at work). > 9. Have ever used a computer past 4AM. > 10. Own more than 6 computer books thicker than 2 inches. > 11. Just measured books in an attempt to dodge the above. > 12. Have ever used a computer on Friday, Saturday and Sunday of the same > weekend. > 13. Find yourself interrupting computer store salesman to correct > something he said. > 14. The first thing you notice when walking in a business is their > computer system. ...and offer advice on how you would change it. > 15. Have ever mounted a magnetic tape reel. > 16. Own any shareware. > 17. You know more IP addresses than phone numbers. > 18. Have ever accidentally dialed an IP address. > 19. Friends use you as tech support. > 20. Have ever named a computer. > 21. Have your local computer store on speed dial. > 22. Can't carry on a conversation without talking about computers. > 23. Co-workers have to E-mail you about the fire alarm to get you out of > the building. > 24. Have ever found "stray" diskettes when doing laundry. > 25. Your computer has it's own phone line - but your teenager doesn't. > 26. You check the national weather service web page for current weather > conditions (rather than look out the window). > 27. You know more URLs than street addresses. > 28. Your pet has a web page. > 29. You get really excited when Yahoo adds your link. > 30. You have ever dismantled a floppy ... and reassembled it... and it > worked!. > 31. You have ever sent E-mail to someone sitting next to you. > 32. You have ever had a dream involving computers. > 33. You have ever modified an ini file. > 34. You would sell your grandmother for more bandwidth. > 35. You start tilting your head sideways to smile. > 36. You get up at 3 a.m. to go to the bathroom and stop to check your > E-mail on your way back to bed. > 37. You've entered that USR X2 contest so many times you get e-mail > saying "Forget it Mike you are not going to win, just go buy the modem". > > 38. You know what the USR X2 contest is. > 39. If you have ever dozed off while at the computer. > 40. Have ever e-mailed yourself . > 41. The tech support folks at your ISP call YOU for the tough ones. > 42. You have more than one copy of the same version of software on your > machine. > 43. You have ever submitted a tip to windows95.com. > 44. You have ever chatted with someone while talking to them on the > phone. > 45. You are surprised that there are other real foods besides pizza. > -- > This joke has been brought to you by "The Email Joke Archive" If you do > not want any further jokes please click here: > mailto:jokemaster@emailjoke.com?subject=remove If you are enjoying the > humor, pass on the website to your friends http://www.EmailJoke.com . > Yes, you can find the dancing baby's at this site. A sense of humor will > get you through many tough spots, and it makes life's journey more > enjoyable! > >------------------------------------------------------------------------- >- African Ancestored Genealogy Discussion >- To unsubscribe, email: Majordomo@MsState.Edu >- In body of message: unsubscribe afrigeneas >- >- Afrigeneas archives: http://www.msstate.edu/listarchives/afrigeneas/ >------------------------------------------------------------------------- >
>*********** REMINDER ********** REMINDER*********** > >1998 Afro-American Historical and Genealogical Society Annual Conference > >"Unveiling the Past to Connect the Future: Census 2000 >29 October - 1 November 1998 >Gallaudet University Kellogg Conference Center > >EARLY REGISTRATION DEADLINE: SEPTEMBER 15, 1998 > >Why attend an AAHGS Conference? > >- Network with fellow researchers >- Expand your experiences >- Reinforce your knowledge >- Sharpen your research skills > >Check out the following sites for additional conference information: > >Presenters and session titles: > http://www.coax.net/people/lwf/aahgs_cf.htm > >Author Luncheons and Booksignings: > http://www.coax.net/people/lwf/aahgs_al.htm > >African Burial Ground Project: > http://www.coax.net/people/lwf/aahgs_ab.htm > > >To receive a registration packet send you name and mailing address to: > > Barbara Dodson Walker BADBDW@aol.com > Sylvia Polk-Burriss spburriss@aol.com >------------------------------------------------------------------------- >- African Ancestored Genealogy Discussion >- To unsubscribe, email: Majordomo@MsState.Edu >- In body of message: unsubscribe afrigeneas >- >- Afrigeneas archives: http://www.msstate.edu/listarchives/afrigeneas/ >------------------------------------------------------------------------- >
>The scheduled release date for public use of the 1930 census records is April >2002. > >The census bureau will release "details from recent files in the form of >official transcripts, but only to named persons, their heirs, or legal >representatives." (There is a fee) > >To obtain a transcript application: > >Personal Census Search Unit >Bureau of the Census >PO Box 1545 >Jeffersonville, IN 47131 >812-285-5314 >Fax: 812-288-3371 > > >History Staff >Bureau of the Census >Washington, D.C. 20233 >301-457-1167 >Fax:301-457-3005 > > >You can also call your regional office, the National and Regional Archives and >some Social Security and Post Offices. > >Source: Factfinder for the Nation (issd April 1997) U.S. Census Bureau >------------------------------------------------------------------------- >- African Ancestored Genealogy Discussion >- To unsubscribe, email: Majordomo@MsState.Edu >- In body of message: unsubscribe afrigeneas >- >- Afrigeneas archives: http://www.msstate.edu/listarchives/afrigeneas/ >------------------------------------------------------------------------- >
>Please read the entire message before responding. >The following plantations and slave owners from Georgia were mentioned in >the Tulane University Index of Ante-bellum Plantation Slave Records: > >Charles Colcock Jones Plantation Books 1834-1849 >Liberty County, GA >Plantations named are : Carlawater 1834-62, Maybank and Half Moon > >Joseph Jones Slave Records 1834-1861 >Liberty & McIntosh Counties, GA >this is the second son of Charles Colcock Jones. He had a plantation where >rice and cotton were grown in the Tidewater, GA area and another rice >plantation in Darien, McIntosh County 1847-1859 > >Bonaventure Plantation Book 1850-1851 >Riceboro, Liberty County, GA >This plantation was owned by Rev. John Jones. The overseer was his half >brother Hart (?) Jones > >Butler's Island, Georgia Plantation Hospital Book >1838-1843 McIntosh County, GA >1500 acre plantation on the Altamaha River. Two hours away was another >plantation known as Hampton and there was also the Butler's St. Simons >Island Plantation. Evidently the Philadelphia Historical Society has >records from this plantation which contains the names of 841 slaves! > >John Orme Letterbook >1821-1845 >Savannah, GA >Didn't see any specific references to letters containing identifying >information about slaves > >If you see the name of the person who held your family or the name of the >plantation where they were held feel free to send me a private message. I >am willing to copy relevant papers after arrangements have been made to >cover costs of copying (.15 per page). If you DO NOT see the name of the >plantation or owner who held your people please DO NOT ask me to do >additional searches. I can only tell you what is in the index. I have 3 >more indices to complete and will post them as soon as they are ready. >Thanks for your cooperation, it allows me to continue helping as many >people as possible. >Michelle >------------------------------------------------------------------------- >- African Ancestored Genealogy Discussion >- To unsubscribe, email: Majordomo@MsState.Edu >- In body of message: unsubscribe afrigeneas >- >- Afrigeneas archives: http://www.msstate.edu/listarchives/afrigeneas/ >------------------------------------------------------------------------- >
>Series G of the Antebellum Records of Southern Plantations lists the >following plantations in Louisiana: > >Pugh Family Papers 1809-1865 Assumption Parish >Papers of Austin, Thomas, Whitmall Pugh and two of their sons Alexander >Franklin Pugh and William Whitmall Hill Pugh. >Includes mention of Woodlawn Plantation and Texana Plantation which was >co-owned with William Flower >Pughs were orginally from Bertie County, No. Carolina > >"Airlie" Plantation Record Book 1862 >East Carroll Parish, LA >Sale of "Airle" by James G. Carson of Adam County, MS >Records closely related to those of : >Canebrake Plantation Records Book 1856-1858 >Overseers: Thomas Affleck, M. C. Meek, R.S. Diamond, F.M. Williams >------------------------------------------------------------------------- >- African Ancestored Genealogy Discussion >- To unsubscribe, email: Majordomo@MsState.Edu >- In body of message: unsubscribe afrigeneas >- >- Afrigeneas archives: http://www.msstate.edu/listarchives/afrigeneas/ >------------------------------------------------------------------------- >
>For folks in the DC area or who can travel to DC, there will be a Genealogy >workshop at the National Archives on Thursday, september 24th from 9:30 am >to 12:30 pm. There is a $15.00 fee and you must register in advance. Staff >from Daughters of the American Revolution, Family History Center, Library >of Congress, National Archives and Records Administration, National >Genealogical Society Library and the District of Columbia Archives will >discuss resources at each facility. Call 20-501-6694. >------------------------------------------------------------------------- >- African Ancestored Genealogy Discussion >- To unsubscribe, email: Majordomo@MsState.Edu >- In body of message: unsubscribe afrigeneas >- >- Afrigeneas archives: http://www.msstate.edu/listarchives/afrigeneas/ >------------------------------------------------------------------------- >
>Forward>From: DEBLAZE@aol.com >Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1998 16:37:34 EDT >Old-To: VAROANOK-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: Genie Angels >To: VAROANOK-L@rootsweb.com > >Please check out the Genie Angels website. People are volunteering to provide >materials to you from within the counties they reside for the cost of the >copy, postage, etc., not for the rates other commercial places are charging. > >If you are interested in volunteering for this worthwhile project, please >contact Genie Angels directly. As you will see, Rena Worthen has volunteered >her services for cemetery listings of Roanoke County VA. > >http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Flats/6878/ > >Good luck!! > >Deb Haines > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------- >- African Ancestored Genealogy Discussion >- To unsubscribe, email: Majordomo@MsState.Edu >- In body of message: unsubscribe afrigeneas >- >- Afrigeneas archives: http://www.msstate.edu/listarchives/afrigeneas/ >------------------------------------------------------------------------- >
>The monthly meeting of the African American Genealogical Society of >Northern California (AAGSNC) will be held: > >Saturday, September 19, 1998 >1:30 p.m. to 3:30 p.m. >Dimond Branch Library - Upstairs Meeting Room >3565 Fruitvale Avenue >Oakland, California > > PROGRAM TOPIC: > "Researching in Louisiana - > Bibliographies, Research Aids, and Shared Experiences" > Electra Kimble Price, Facilitator > >Bring your research and share information on the resources that you >have. > >All are welcome! >=== >African American Genealogical Society of Northern California >P. O. Box 27485 >Oakland, CA 94602-0985 >E-mail: baobabtree@rocketmail.com >Web Site: http://www.afamgen.com/aagsnc > > > > > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------- >- African Ancestored Genealogy Discussion >- To unsubscribe, email: Majordomo@MsState.Edu >- In body of message: unsubscribe afrigeneas >- >- Afrigeneas archives: http://www.msstate.edu/listarchives/afrigeneas/ >------------------------------------------------------------------------- >
> Just to add to what Cheryl supplied, here is the chart of "parties du >blanc," or parts white used in French societies to determine admixture. If >you were 128 parts white--you were completely white, anything less, made >you "less." The chart was published by Moreau De Saint-Mery, originally >published in 1789, and republished in 1958. (Keep in mind that this is in >French.) > > Parts White >Sacartra = 8 to 23 >Griffe = 24 to 39 >Marabou = 40 to 48 >Mulatre = 49 to 70 >Quarteron = 71 to 100 >Metif = 101 to 112 >Mamelouc = 113 to 120 >Querteronne = 121 to 124 >Sang-Mele = 125 to 127 > >Interesting points: >In order to be a Sang-Mele, you would have to go back to an 11th great >grandparent ( with your generation being the 12th). The 13th >generation--children of the Sang-meles and a white person are finally >'pure' white. > Sang-mele is translated means tainted blood or heritage. > Melvin noted that people could just cross over into white society. Not >necessarily. They had to leave their home of record and everyone they knew >to make it work. The Free People of Color in Saint Domingue traveled >extensively to Europe, joined foreign militaries (German, etc), owned 25 >percent of the wealth of the island, educated their children abroad, but >were always known as people of color. There were a few routes of escape. >One could travel to Australia, and South America and "became" something >else, but again, that meant giving up your past. > The study of the Caribbean, especially Saint Domingue, is fascinating >especially with regard to slavery and race relations. American slave >owners took their cues from the Caribbean countries--positive and negative. > They used similar tactics used in the Caribbean, like the Slave Kit to >control slaves in the US. They were also afraid to allow FPOC into the >states during the Haitian revolution because it was the FPOC stirred on by >their white friends in Paris, Des Amis Noire, during the French Revolution >that started the Haitian Revolution. Most people think of it as a slave >rebellion, and it did become that, but that is not how the revolution >started. The FPOC could not win without the slaves, so they enlisted them. > But I digress. > >Debbie > >At 10:47 AM 3/8/98 -0600, you wrote: >>Afrigeneas, >> The following is a chart of racial distinctions which should answer >>the question of what is a griff or griffe (French masculine and feminine). >>These distinctions were commonly used in old Louisiana French and Spanish >>documents to discribe the parentage of a person of color. I hope the >>carriage >>control keeps on this chart. If not the a person who is a griff is one who >>is >>a product of parents where one is a mulatto and the other parent is a >>person >>of African descent. >> >> >> CHART OF RACIAL DISTINCTIONS > >> A >> >> >> Negro White >> | >> Mulatto > >> B >> >> >> Negro Mulatto White >> >> | | >> Griffe Quadroon >> >> C >> >> >> Negro Griffe Mulatto Quadroon White >> | | | >>| >> Sacatra Marabou Metif Mameluke > >> D >> Quadroon Mameluke White >> | | >> Metif Quarteronn >> >> E > >> Quarteronn White >> | >> Sang-Mele > >>Source: L. Gentil Tippenhauer-"Die Insel Haiti"- Leipzig, 1893 p. 448 >> >> by Rene Le Gardeur- Noted authority on St.Domingue (Haiti) >> >> >>CherrylM@AOL.com >>Baker, LA >>************************************** >>Researching Southwest Louisiana Parishes, surnames of MERCIER, WILTZ, >>ESCLAVON (LaVIOLETTE), DeCLOUET, MASSE, JEANLOUIS/ LOUIS, SHAY (CHAIX), >>GUIDRY, BASILE (CHAISSON), BARRAS, LeBLANC, and HENRY >>************************************** >>Also researching the old west Florida Parishes surnames of FORBES, DUNN, >>CARTER, SCOTT, DeARMOND, EVANS, GAINES, CURRY and PATTERSON >> > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------- >- African Ancestored Genealogy Discussion >- To unsubscribe, email: Majordomo@MsState.Edu >- In body of message: unsubscribe afrigeneas >- >- Afrigeneas archives: http://www.msstate.edu/listarchives/afrigeneas/ >------------------------------------------------------------------------- >
>The September 6, 1998, issue of Janice B. Palmer's SOUTHERN ROOTS column >is up on the MGS web site. Go to http://www.siteone.com/clubs/mgs then >scroll down to (and click on) THE READING ROOM. > >Be sure to check out her past columns while you're there. You never >know what name you might run across in a query from an "old" column! > > >==== ALABAMA Mailing List ==== >To Unsubscribe >Send a message to ALABAMA-L-REQUEST@rootsweb.com >Put the word unsubscribe in the body of the message. >Don't put anything in the subject line, and turn off signature lines. > >The Rootsweb searchable archives is up and running. >http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl >It does assume you know the name of the list you want to search. > > > > > >
>The 19th annual >SOLOMON WILLIAMSON FAMILY REUNION > >will be held at the usual time and place: >First Sunday in October at Noon >Oak Park Community House >Oak Park, Emanuel County, GA > >All descendants of >SOLOMON WILLIAMSON >(1823-1901) >first wife: >DELILAH TRAPNELL >second wife: >CLARISSA CALHOUN >and related families >are urged to attend > >Those attending are asked to bring a basket lunch and beverage. Paper >products and ice will be provided. > >Please bring an updated listing of members of your family for adding to the >family history; include dates and places. > > >Olivia Williamson Saffold, >Reunion President > > > > >==== GEORGIA Mailing List ==== >Listowner: kee46@msn.com Adrianne Hopkins > >Please send your Census records, vital records and families to the GAGenWeb Archives >Carla Cegielski cegielski@ncweb.com > >Items For Sale pertaining to GA ONLY --- can be posted! > > > > > > > > > >
Hi All, I have just entered your circle of friends and I hope to stay with you coz I have two members of my family who ventured to South Africa and I am having the worst time trying to locate any detail for my records. I really need help with this lot. I will begin with the eldest brother of my maternal grandmother and the scandal that made it impossible for me to gain even the vaguest of leads, "We do NOT discuss such matters!" with the note of finality that makes a genalogist weep for lost stories. My grandmother, Madeleine, was an upper-class Londoner raised in an extremely strict Victorian manner. Her elder brother, Maudslay BAYNES was born in 1881 in London, the eldest child of Herbert Morton Walker BAYNES & Isabel JACKSON. Herbert wrote some 265 papers for religious institutions and several extremely highbrow books, also on religion. This is probably why three of their children rebelled, two being banished to South Africa, the third, my Grandmother being forced to marry her lower class lover and never receiving a penny of the amassed fortune. Ah, the upper class and their high morals, would they survive today, I wonder? Back to the story in hand... Supposedly Maudslay attended one of major colleges but I can find no record of him at Oxford University where he allegedly absconded with funds from the Social Club. I am assured that he merely borrowed the moneys and truly did intend to replace it all before he was caught!!! The social embarressment this caused my Grandmother's family must have been just intolerable because Maudslay was promptly packed off to South Africa "to a relative" to re-adjust his life etc. etc. Maudslay got bored with being a Remission man and started trecking the countryside. He became the first man to map the KUNENE River, from the Ruacana Falls to the Coastal Desert in 1911. The Germans of Zessfontein were so impressed with his feat that they named the great & unknown mountainous range in his honor, hence the BAYNES Mountains can be located on the Kunene River in Namibia. Thanks to a distant relative in London I am able to quote from a magazine story by Randolph Vigne of London who wrote of my Great Uncle when giving his opinion on a book by L.G.Green, "Lords of the Last Frontier" 1952. "Maudslay described the place as..."Gloomy and forbidding though it be, the wild Kunene has a rugged beauty and a clamant attraction where for a hundred leagues the tortured river writhes and boils through desert mountains to the sea; sanctuary of the mighty pachyderms, of moon shadows on falling water, and silent mountains under a field of stars." I somehow feel that the love for this place made up for his hasty departure from the grey misery and stench of London! My question is what record is there and where do I locate proof of such a feat? I have found the South African Encyclopedia which has a short paragraph about Maudslay. This should be enough for my records but I crave more. What shipping details would be available for a 1911 voyage? Is there other landmarks, hotels, schools, a town or something built in his honour? How do the South African history books refer to the BAYNES Mountains? Can anyone tell me where to look to gain further insight into the travels of this elusive Great-Uncle???? I thank you in advance, Seeya, Michelle <kahler@hypermax.net.au> from Ipswich, QLD, Australia. If you need a look-up for anything in South East Qld, give me a yell. Eng/Ire: Baynes/Coldstream/Francom/Helton/Maudsl*y/Memor(e)y/Soames. CON: Andrew/Baragwanath/Barkla/Barnicoat/Blackellar/Bosanco/Bosswasack/Caddy/Carn bellack/Cocke/Coombes/Coome/Curnow/Debell/Drew/Edmond/Gay/George/Harris/Heeg oe/Horsford/James/Jenken/Jennings/Jose/Lawr*nce/Maundison/Mildren/Mi(t)chell /Olivey/Painter/Paskowe/Philips/Polleow/Porter/Prous/Quick/Rayle/Reale/Reyno lds/Richards/Roberts/Rosewall/Roskilly/Skinner/Tbd/Tooker/Tremayne/Trengrous e/Trewhella/Tuckett/Watty/Wearne/Webb/Wills. CFHS #6392; QFHS #M2705; Woolwich&DFHS #1023.
Hi again, Following the lengthy story of my Great Uncle, Maudslay BAYNES in my last message I am now getting to the vague lead. Maudslay's younger sister, Evangel Amy BAYNES was born in Upper Class London in 1882, daughter of Herbert Morton Walker BAYNES & Isabel JACKSON. Nothing is known of Evangel's childhood and she was mentioned as being "A rather rebellious child", family gossip has left me with classic leads... "There might have been a child, It was adopted." "She was removed to Capetown when she was about 16 years old, to a relative who took her in hand." "Her younger sister visited her once and found that she had married a much older, wealthy gentleman in Capetown." Yep, thems is really good leads, hey???? No names, no definite dates, no record of any marriage, birth or death kept by the remaining family. My grandmother never saw her sister again and neither did her parents. To be banished forever to a distant country at the age of 16 must have been hard to handle but to be totally cut off from your family, never to be forgiven must have left a few emotional scars I am sure. I am hoping that I can locate the marriage and any subsequent children, I wonder what story has been handed down the generations about the their grandmother causing such a family scandal and the bitter result? The only possible relative that Evangel could have been 'sent to' was the then Bishop of Natal, Right Rev.Joseph Ash Baynes. His family however have no knowledge of either Maudslay or Evangel. They were certainly of the correct standing to take in rebellious relatives, moneyed and highly religious with good social standing. Datewise I guess she must have arrived c.1898, what shipping records are available from London to South Africa? I don't even want to hazard a guess as to the possible date of marriage, she could have been 17-27, who knows? Was there a British Consul in Capetown around the turn of the century? If he was wealthy as suggested, where would they have been likely to marry? Does anyone have any suggestions as to where I could turn in my search??? Seeya, Michelle <kahler@hypermax.net.au> from Ipswich, QLD, Australia. If you need a look-up for anything in South East Qld, give me a yell. Eng/Ire: Baynes/Coldstream/Francom/Helton/Maudsl*y/Memor(e)y/Soames. CON: Andrew/Baragwanath/Barkla/Barnicoat/Blackellar/Bosanco/Bosswasack/Caddy/Carn bellack/Cocke/Coombes/Coome/Curnow/Debell/Drew/Edmond/Gay/George/Harris/Heeg oe/Horsford/James/Jenken/Jennings/Jose/Lawr*nce/Maundison/Mildren/Mi(t)chell /Olivey/Painter/Paskowe/Philips/Polleow/Porter/Prous/Quick/Rayle/Reale/Reyno lds/Richards/Roberts/Rosewall/Roskilly/Skinner/Tbd/Tooker/Tremayne/Trengrous e/Trewhella/Tuckett/Watty/Wearne/Webb/Wills. CFHS #6392; QFHS #M2705; Woolwich&DFHS #1023.
"FAMILY NAME" A film by Macky ALSTON http://www.pbs.org/independents/forum/sept98_forum.1.html September 15, 1998 at 10 PM on PBS This winner of the 1997 Sundance Freedom of Expression Award follows filmmaker Macky ALSTON from New York to the South, as he embarks on an excavation to unearth the history of his white slave-owning family, and explores the link to the black families that share his name. American Documentary, P.O.V.'s parent company, is proud to present this P.O.V. special as the launch of the Television Race Initiative, a three-year effort in which diverse, character-driven public television broadcasts create a spine for community dialogue and problem-solving around the issue of race relations. As a child growing up in North Carolina, Macky Alston never gave much thought to the fact that many of his black elementary school classmates shared his last name. At the age of 27, he discovered that the Alstons were one of the largest slave-owning families in antebellum North Carolina. In the following interview, Macky discusses the personal motivations that compelled him to make "Family Name," and the astonishing discoveries he made while filming.