Just found an enlarged printout of that area, from a much more recent map (mine was 1971!) and it shows A20 as E12. Another map says something else. I give up! Now that I think about it, I used to have a terrible time reading the German maps as my husband drove - numbers kept changing! They seem to use several diff. designations for each major road. Anyhow, you got us there, Joan! Someplace, I have a SC (I think) Geiger will that refers to a brother's children in Ittlingen, but I can't put my hands on it yet. I've always wondered if much earlier Swiss Geigers settled in Germany and later generations went directly overseas. I have a reference where the "Germans" at Saxe Gotha kept asking for the schools and churches they were promised by the gov. and finally threatened to remove to PA. It made me wonder, then, if some of the Swiss went to PA and others came south. Just a thought. Anne -----Original Message----- From: JYoung6180@aol.com [SMTP:JYoung6180@aol.com] Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 1998 8:42 PM To: rconn@magicnet.net Subject: Re: Ittlingen - Ettlingen; Valentine Geiger of SC. In a message dated 98-07-28 20:18:04 EDT, you write: > Two items to toss on the table. First, there is a town in Germany called > ETTLINGEN. It is just below Karlsruhe; close enough to be a suburb, perhaps. OK Anne, I know where Karlsruhe is. > Now take the A10 north to the A20 interchange. Turn east and start looking, > just above the road, for a little village called Sinsheim which connects to > another village, south of the main road, called Eppingen. The map I am > looking at doesn't show it, but my husband tells me that ITTLINGEN is between > the two villages! Well, sort of. Actually it is 2 towns north of Eppingen and a bit southeast of Sinsheim. If you go north from Eppingen you will hit Richen and next will be Ittlingen. Due east of Ittlingen is Berwangen. We have Geigers from Berwangen, we have Geigers from Ittlingen, and the Berwangen Geigers were originally from Richen BUT I never knew any of these Geigers were from Ettlingen. So I guess the question is, ARE THEY? > > Second item: Folks keep talking about a Valentine Geiger up in PA? Sounded > familiar to me, so I went looking in my SC files. Now this is really weird! > "SC Naturalizations - 1783 - 1850" by Brent H. Holcomb, Genealogical > Publishing Co., 1985; p. 12, Federal Records: GEIGER, VALENTINE; age 45; > Nation: Ittlingen, Baden; Res. ____; Occupation: Merchant; Admission: 10 Jan > 1807." What is he doing in South Carolina? > (by the way, I never could identify him) Sure sounds like he may be the descendant of a Geiger from the Ittlingen Geigers who remained in Germany when the family came over in 1717 and then came over to SC much later on. Valentine was not only the progenitor of family in America--it was also HIS father's name in Ittlingen. I don't think we need a rocket scientist to figure this Valentine Geiger is in some way related to the earlier one. It does mean most likely that the SC Valentine Geiger is not related to YOUR SC Geigers--which is what you had thought anyway. Joan