In a previous reply to the list I stated a few facts about the children of Christian Geiger--which I wish to clarify. Johannes born ???? shortly after arriving in Pennsylvania or in Europe or at sea??? No one knows if this child really ever existed or NOT. I personally think NOT. We have NO birth record, NO death record, NO mention anywhere (except in the files of previous researchers of this family)--and he is NOT named in his father's will. So if he did exist at all he died young without issue. Johann Jacob was born on 13 December 1739 and is the child of Christian and Anna Maria (second wife). I know the newletter says he was born on the 15th of Dec. but we now have the original GERMAN handwritten church record of his birth--and it says 13--the translators made an error in reading the handwriting. It also lists Anna Maria Esskuchin as a sponsor and fails to identify her as the mother--but she is. Johann Jacob was born 9 months minus 5 days from the marriage of his parents (if you are counting on your fingers) in 1739--not 1738. Given the confusion between new and old calendars this date is often recorded as being 1738/39 (in Family Tree Maker for example) and it is sometimes listed as being Oct. instead of Dec. since Oct. was the 12th month of the old calendar--confused yet? I have seen previous researchers list the birth of the "hypothetical" Johannes as being Oct. 1738. My theory is that previous researchers have confused Johann Jacob with a "mythical" son Johannes supposedly born in Oct. 1738--an alternate date for the birth of Johann Jacob under the New Style dating system. To carry my theory to its absurd extreme--once we remove the "hypothetical" Johannes from the equation, we now should really wonder whether Barbara on the ship list of the Charming Nancy was REALLY the wife of Christian or perhaps a daughter or other close relative, even his mother perhaps? Christian married Anna Maria in Mar. 1739--he had just arrived in America in Sept.-Oct. of 1737 (1&1/2 years earlier). His only child we can PROVE on the ship with him was Wilhelm born about the early 1720s--let's assume about 1723-25 since we KNOW he was UNDER 16 (he wasn't required to take the oath) and that he later married in 1747. We know Christian was born in Dec. 1700--so he must have married young--and fathered Wilhelm and possibly (according to my theory) Barbara. Both Barbara and Wilhelm appear on a list called the "women and children" list. I have checked that list thoroughly and in all other cases I have been able to verify where the female of the family was an adult the woman's name appears before the children's names. If the female's name, or names, were referring to CHILDREN--they appear after the male children's names or in birth order. Barbara's name appears AFTER Wilhelm's name leading me to suspect she was younger than he was. I think she was not Christian's WIFE but rather his DAUGHTER. BUT don't go changing records and possibly history itself based on my theory with no further proof--it is just a THEORY. I will agree that if there REALLY WAS a Johannes born shortly after the family arrived in PA then Barbara would HAVE to have been Christian's wife--but NOT necessarily Wilhelm's mother. There is quite a gap there between the ages of Wilhelm and all of his known--PROVABLE-siblings or half-siblings. I will admit I find NO record of Barbara Geiger's death in Pennsylvania records--either as Christian's wife or daughter--and if she is his daughter I find no record of a marriage for her. She had to have died without issue before Christian wrote his will if she was his daughter, since she is NOT mentioned in the will. Joan