I never meant to imply that Hans was a nickname for Johannes...but rather like Phil vs. Philip, or Sam vs. Samuel, Rich vs. Richard, etc. And I believe that Hans Ulrich and Apollonia raised upstanding and moral children...Records of Abraham, Felix, Mary, Cornelius, and John bear that out...And there can always be one renegade in every family, but to pin that "conviction" on every person named John (or Johannes/Hans/Johanes) is not to my liking... According to the translation of the Lutheran Pastor's journal, John Wesley preached at Ebenezer(he had a dispute with the Lutheran Pastor over Baptism - Wesley insisted on full immersion), and I don't know if anyone has looked there or not...Of course, we know that our Rev. John Martin was a German Baptist Brethren(Dunker). The Primitive Baptist and Missionary Baptist both sprung up about that time...and the Ulster Scots(nee, Scots-Irish in America) were John Knox Presbyterians... >From: "rconnell" <[email protected]> >Reply-To: [email protected] >To: [email protected] >Subject: Re: [GEIGER] GEIGERS and WEBER Heresy >Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 23:47:46 -0500 > >Gerry and all, I wouldn't want to imply that the GEIGER name was >anathematized in SC ..... too many of them had positions of great >importance >and trust and married into families of similar ilk. In GA, Hans Ulrich (as >name was recorded in church book) and Apollonia raised good, industrious, >church-going children. And I can't say enough about their descendants - >especially the ones who took on the wilds of Florida! <G> > >My position is that IF a GEIGER really was involved in the Heresy (at least >one account omits that name), he could as easily have been a Hans Jacob as >a >John. And I'm afraid I just don't see Hans as only a nickname for >Johannes. >I studied my own GYGER/GEIGER data base, imperfect as it may be, and here's >what I found: > >GYGER (SWT): 6 christened Hans; 21 christened Hans ___; 7 christened >Johannes. GEIGER (Amer.): 0 named Hans; 6 named Hans ___ (all b. SWT); 1 >named Johannes (b. SWT); 6 named John; 20 named John ___. The GYGER >records >at Berneck church went back to the 1500s at least, without a break (except >for Gov. Hs. Jacob whose family records were at nearby Diepoldsau). The >GEIGER names in America came mostly from other records as they had to make >do with whatever preacher came along, much of the time, and when they left, >their records usually went with them. I wonder if any of those would be >with some denomination we haven't thought about? > >One last bit of trivia: Abraham and Cathrina's 1st child was Hans Jacob, >who died young. 2nd child was Hans Jacob. 3rd was Johannes. 4th was Hans >Georg, who died young. 5th was Elsbetha, who died young. 6th was >Elsbetha. >7th was Hans Ulrich. Although Berneck church apparently didn't mention >their leaving SWT, as did D'sau church, it is assumed that all the >surviving >children left with them. The boys likely were called - familiarly - Jacob, >John and Ulrich as they grew up in SC. > >Anne C. > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Gerald Gieger <[email protected]> > > > > I had seen references to that info too, but the problem I have is, that >no > > one knows which "John" did it...and therefore bringing it up casts >shadows > > on all those named Johannes, Johann, Hans, or John. I agree with Anne >that > > Ulric (Johannes shortened to Hans) may have moved to GA to escape the >stigma > > attached to his Surname... > > > > Germans(incl. Austrians, Hapsburgs, etc) and Swiss-Germanic peoples >followed > > the same naming conventions...It wasn't confusing to them!!! > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com