I had seen references to that info too, but the problem I have is, that no one knows which "John" did it...and therefore bringing it up casts shadows on all those named Johannes, Johann, Hans, or John. I agree with Anne that Ulric (Johannes shortened to Hans) may have moved to GA to escape the stigma attached to his Surname... Germans(incl. Austrians, Hapsburgs, etc) and Swiss-Germanic peoples followed the same naming conventions...It wasn't confusing to them!!! >From: "rconnell" <[email protected]> >Reply-To: [email protected] >To: [email protected] >Subject: Re: [GEIGER] GEIGERS and WEBER Heresy >Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 20:24:55 -0500 > >I've seen that, too. Suppose the authorities chose to call him John just >to >break the monotony?! > >Seriously, I've noticed that my John Martin was called John M. a lot, in >records, but his gravestone says J. Martin. I think Geigers just liked to >confuse folks! > >Anne C. > >----- Original Message ----- >From: walenceus <[email protected]> > > > > I have a copy of an article written by Lawton Delaney Geiger from the > > Lexington Exchange Quarterly, volume two, fall 1982 which states the > > following: > > > > A court action signed by William Bull, Governor, April 25, 1761, stated >that > > on March 18, 1761, John Geiger of Craven County was convicted of >murdering > > George Smithpeter and that he was reprieved from execution, along with >two > > others who were convicted. A South Carolina Gazette article dated April >25, > > 1761, referred to the trial and reported that seven persons were >indicted > > and four of them found guilty- Jacob Wieber, John Geiger, Jacob >Burkhart, > > and Hannah Wieber and that only Jacob wieber was hanged, the other three > > being reprieved. > > > > Faye > > > >==== GEIGER Mailing List ==== >Visit the GEIGER mailing list archives: >http://archiver.rootsweb.com/GEIGER-L/ > >============================== >9 Health Tips for Computer Genealogists >http://www.thirdage.com/features/tech/ouch/ > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com

Gerry and all, I wouldn't want to imply that the GEIGER name was anathematized in SC ..... too many of them had positions of great importance and trust and married into families of similar ilk. In GA, Hans Ulrich (as name was recorded in church book) and Apollonia raised good, industrious, church-going children. And I can't say enough about their descendants - especially the ones who took on the wilds of Florida! <G> My position is that IF a GEIGER really was involved in the Heresy (at least one account omits that name), he could as easily have been a Hans Jacob as a John. And I'm afraid I just don't see Hans as only a nickname for Johannes. I studied my own GYGER/GEIGER data base, imperfect as it may be, and here's what I found: GYGER (SWT): 6 christened Hans; 21 christened Hans ___; 7 christened Johannes. GEIGER (Amer.): 0 named Hans; 6 named Hans ___ (all b. SWT); 1 named Johannes (b. SWT); 6 named John; 20 named John ___. The GYGER records at Berneck church went back to the 1500s at least, without a break (except for Gov. Hs. Jacob whose family records were at nearby Diepoldsau). The GEIGER names in America came mostly from other records as they had to make do with whatever preacher came along, much of the time, and when they left, their records usually went with them. I wonder if any of those would be with some denomination we haven't thought about? One last bit of trivia: Abraham and Cathrina's 1st child was Hans Jacob, who died young. 2nd child was Hans Jacob. 3rd was Johannes. 4th was Hans Georg, who died young. 5th was Elsbetha, who died young. 6th was Elsbetha. 7th was Hans Ulrich. Although Berneck church apparently didn't mention their leaving SWT, as did D'sau church, it is assumed that all the surviving children left with them. The boys likely were called - familiarly - Jacob, John and Ulrich as they grew up in SC. Anne C. ----- Original Message ----- From: Gerald Gieger <[email protected]> > I had seen references to that info too, but the problem I have is, that no > one knows which "John" did it...and therefore bringing it up casts shadows > on all those named Johannes, Johann, Hans, or John. I agree with Anne that > Ulric (Johannes shortened to Hans) may have moved to GA to escape the stigma > attached to his Surname... > > Germans(incl. Austrians, Hapsburgs, etc) and Swiss-Germanic peoples followed > the same naming conventions...It wasn't confusing to them!!! >