This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Geiger, Giger Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/JOY.2ACEB/885.1.1.1 Message Board Post: Summary Geiger, Christian`s grandson is Giger, Johannes Giger, Johannes`s great great great great grandson is Smith, Edmund (Ted) David Details Geiger, Christian`s son`s son is Giger, Johannes Giger, Johannes`s son`s son`s son`s son`s daughter`s son is Smith, Edmund (Ted) David Names Geiger, Christian son Giger, George son Giger, Johannes Giger, Johannes son Giger, Joseph son Giger, William M son Giger, George R son Giger, Riley daughter Giger, Mary Alice son Smith, Edmund (Ted) David

Literacy was uncommon among the German-speaking settlers of frontier SC and GA. This was one reason that clergymen were desired so strongly: not only could they read the Bible, but they had the other "clerical" skill of writing, and could be trusted to draft a document in the way the buyer and seller desired it. The parties to the transaction, and their witnesses, normally put their individual marks on it. Later (sometimes much later, and sometimes not at all) the original document was presented to a local J.P., and one of the witnesses attested verbally that he had seen the buyer and seller make their marks. So the J.P. put a legal seal (LS) by those two marks on his own Fair Copy of the original document, took that one to the Register, who entered his own copy into the official record book. In some times-and-regions, the J.P.s (and Registers) attempted to replicate the nature of the marks; in others they just entered (X) or (his mark) to show that it was a mark rather! than a signature. If a person had the skill of signing his own name (or--rarely--her own name), he did it every time, because it was a matter of great pride. The British legal term for the individually-identifiable mark was sigil. A signature was a special case of a sigil, and signatures became more common towards the close of the 18th century. Even in small communities, there were often two or more persons with the same name whose signatures might look similar (unless one was in German Gothic script, the other in British copperplate). Then the older one might add "Sr." and the younger one "Jr.", implying no particular relationship between them. This also became confusing, because Jr. might die or move away and an older one move in, so old Sr. is suddenly a new Jr. The next step was to add a distinctive ornate squiggle beneath the signature, in order to prove which of the same-named persons had signed that particular document. John Hancock and other signers of the Declaration of Independence used florid squiggles for the purpose of identifying themselves. The squiggle even has its own legal term: it's a "paraph", as I disc! overed quite recently! If you have an old legal dictionary, or even an unabridged one, check out the official meaning of "paraphernalia" while on that page--it's an entertaining entry. Some of the late 18th-c. and early 19th-c. deeds, in Fair Copy or registered copy, use the abbreviation "s" before a list of names. The "s" is for sigil, which implies either a mark or a signature--but one that the witness testified was personally made by the named person. It does not imply that the parties were, or were not, literate. Harriet Imrey himrey@ntelos.net

There was one other reference to a "Thomas" Geiger in Saxegotha in 1772. Both that one, and the 1748 reference, were mis-transcriptions of "Herman" (of all things!)--identifiable because of multiple other references to the same transaction in which the name clearly says Herman/Harmon Geiger. The place to find a Thomas Geiger (and his wife Mary) is in the Ebenezer Church and on the Ogeechee in GA. No references to him, or to a Philip Geiger, in SC. ----- Original Message ----- From: <bzb@houston.rr.com> To: <GEIGER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2004 10:26 PM Subject: Re: [GEIGER] SC grants to GA Geigers? > Or who was the Thomas Geiger in Orangeburg born before 1725? > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "susan wilson" <hrw3@worldnet.att.net> > To: <GEIGER-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2004 11:55 PM > Subject: Re: [GEIGER] SC grants to GA Geigers? > > > > Harriet...... > > > > Do you have any idea who Philip belongs to? > > > > Susan > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Harriet Imrey" <himrey@ntelos.net> > > To: <GEIGER-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2004 4:10 PM > > Subject: Re: [GEIGER] SC grants to GA Geigers? Nobody has traced the ancestry of these brothers, because they left no male descendants in the Colonies. They emigrated from Beihingen-am-Neckar in Württemberg, Germany, and first show up in SC records in Aug 1755. At that time, Jacob Geiger had a wife Mary, a daughter Mary, 3 indentured servants and 2 slaves. The first grant was south of the Edisto near Purrysburgh. In 1757, both Michael and Jacob were Petit Jurors in St. Bartholomew Parish. Michael married Margaret, widow of Daniel Gelzer, but he survived her, left all his property to brother Jacob. Per Jacob's will of 23 Sep 1769, his daughter (and only child) Mary was unmarried then. He mentioned brothers Hans Georg (deceased) and John Frederick, both still in Beihingen. All of the SC land references to Jacob and Michael Geiger are in Charlestown Precinct, although in four separate parishes (they owned a lot of land). The other 6 adult Jacob Geigers in SC at the time all lived in the backcountry, in Saxegotha, Craven County, and the Dutch Fork.

Harriet...... Do you have any idea who Philip belongs to? Susan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Harriet Imrey" <himrey@ntelos.net> To: <GEIGER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2004 4:10 PM Subject: Re: [GEIGER] SC grants to GA Geigers? > Nobody has traced the ancestry of these brothers, because they left no male > descendants in the Colonies. They emigrated from Beihingen-am-Neckar in > Württemberg, Germany, and first show up in SC records in Aug 1755. At that > time, Jacob Geiger had a wife Mary, a daughter Mary, 3 indentured servants > and 2 slaves. The first grant was south of the Edisto near Purrysburgh. In > 1757, both Michael and Jacob were Petit Jurors in St. Bartholomew Parish. > Michael married Margaret, widow of Daniel Gelzer, but he survived her, left > all his property to brother Jacob. Per Jacob's will of 23 Sep 1769, his > daughter (and only child) Mary was unmarried then. He mentioned brothers > Hans Georg (deceased) and John Frederick, both still in Beihingen. All of > the SC land references to Jacob and Michael Geiger are in Charlestown > Precinct, although in four separate parishes (they owned a lot of land). > The other 6 adult Jacob Geigers in SC at the time all lived in the > backcountry, in Saxegotha, Craven County, and the Dutch Fork. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Pat Geiger" <jgeiger@sc.rr.com> > To: <GEIGER-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2004 6:03 PM > Subject: Re: [GEIGER] SC grants to GA Geigers? > > > > Harriett- > > I have not seen Micheal's name before or if I have it did not register. > Who was his parents. > > > > John Geiger > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Harriet Imrey" <himrey@ntelos.net> > > To: <GEIGER-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2004 12:18 PM > > Subject: [GEIGER] SC grants to GA Geigers? > > > The SC land warrants for >500,000 acres south of the Altamaha (in GA) were > issued in 3 batches on 5 Apr, 3 May and 7 Jun 1763: 1000 acres here, 5000 > acres there, etc. Jacob Geiger of St. George/Dorchester Parish in SC got a > 600-acre plat (but no grant); his brother Michael, also of St. > George/Dorchester, had a warrant for 600 acres, but didn't have a plat > surveyed. Few of those warrants resulted in a grant, because the land had > been awarded within the Creek Nation, and it was only the Cherokees who had > recently been defeated and shoved westwards. However, ~60,000 acres of GA > land was actually awarded by SC grants....until the British Board of Trade > found out about it and told the SC government to stop doing that! Gov. > Boone said of course he could, since SC was supposed to extend to the 29 > degree latitude. He was informed (by the Crown) that this land was due to > be added to GA. In 1767, the SC government was ordered to send the grants > to GA so they could be recorded there. > > Michael Geiger died in 1767, brother Jacob in 1769. Both had substantial > estates (personal property as well as land), but no lands in GA! > > ______________________________

Sorry, Gerry, I'm not buying the fashionable illiteracy thing. Literacy and education were indicative of breeding and people were very proud of it. That "E" that was Elizabeth Martin's mark was probably all she could manage. There was more than one Abraham Geiger running around, and not all could write. I think we should use these clues to distinguish them. I agree that I think most of the Martin were literate (probably from their Biblical background), but Tobitha Martin is listed as being illiterate in the 1860 census. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gerald Gieger" <giegerg@hotmail.com> To: <GEIGER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2004 2:48 PM Subject: Re: [GEIGER] Official copy: Ulrich Kegar Deed to Christopher Bunce (16 Jan 1814) > What proof do you have that Grandfather Abraham could not write??? The > fact that he made a 'Mark' on some documents is meaningless...most people > made a 'Mark' as it was considered unique or fashionable...the Scrivner's > copy would never attempt to duplicate the elaborate ways folks made > them...Grandmother Elizabeth Martin, wife of John A. Martin, used an "E" on > documents in the 1790's. I know that Grandmother Tobitha, wife of Jessie > could write, albeit it is questionable that he could. Appears that all the > Children of Grandfather John A. Martin could write as well as read, as > Grandfather James Martin used a 'Mark' on many documents...but a signature > was recorded on some...since he was a Commissioner in Bryan County, he had > to read and write...and sign... > > I transcribed the Textual copy which was posted, and that is why you will > find a lowercase 's/' before the signature, to differentiate that it was > signed and not 'Marked' > > My guess is that Christopher Frederick Bunce had the 'Original' in his > strongbox, under his bed or some other safe place... > > > >From: <bzb@houston.rr.com> > >Reply-To: GEIGER-L@rootsweb.com > >To: GEIGER-L@rootsweb.com > >Subject: Re: [GEIGER] Official copy: Ulrich Kegar Deed to Christopher Bunce > >(16 Jan 1814) > >Date: Tue, 25 May 2004 10:19:50 -0500 > > > >Okay, see the problem I have is that "our" Abraham couldn't write, yet > >whoever transcribed the deed, left the impression that everyone signed and > >sealed the deed. So if there's THAT mistake, what others are there? > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Richard Connell" <rconnell@cfl.rr.com> > >To: <GEIGER-L@rootsweb.com> > >Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2004 9:55 AM > >Subject: [GEIGER] Official copy: Ulrich Kegar Deed to Christopher Bunce (16 > >Jan 1814) > > > > > > > Beverly, how often have we seen a truly "original" deed? This is my > > > photocopy of the OFFICIAL COPY in "Deeds & Mortgages, Book AAA, > >1814-1819," > > > on file at Bulloch County Courthouse, Statesboro, GA. That's why all the > > > signatures are in same handwriting. If you look down at the bottom, you > > > will see "Recorded January 28th, 1815. Ely Kennedy, CSCBC." It's Ely's > > > handwriting! > > > > > > (The next deed below it (recorded __ 1815) has to do with a marriage > > > contract between John LINES and Sarah Ann ROBINSON who, along with her > > > father Jonathan ROBINSON, are later found in the records of Gadsden > >County, > > > FL.) > > > > > > By the way, on the previous page is a second GEIGER deed I later found > >they > > > hadn't copied for me. It's the one filed at same time, stating that the > >sibs > > > have sold one-fifth or 60 acres of the original grant to brother John > > > GEIGER. Signed: Felix GEIGER, Abraham GEIGER, Mary HOFMAN and Cornelius > > > GEIGER (no wives). Page numbering is off and A. K. Register's "Bulloch > >Co., > > > GA, Genealogical Source Material", p. 52, had mis-shown both deeds on > >same > > > page. I will post her extract on the Message Board. > > > > > > Anne C. > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: <bzb@houston.rr.com> > > > To: <GEIGER-L@rootsweb.com> > > > Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2004 6:47 AM > > > Subject: Re: [GEIGER] Heirs of Ulrich Kegar Deed to Christopher Bunce > >(16 > > > Jan 1814) > > > > > > > > > > Those are not the original deeds. They appear to be early copies. > >(If > > > > you'll notice, all of the signatures are made in one handwriting.) We > > > > really need to look at the originals, IF they still exist. > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Gerald Gieger" <giegerg@hotmail.com> > > > > To: <GEIGER-L@rootsweb.com> > > > > Sent: Monday, May 24, 2004 7:05 PM > > > > Subject: Re: [GEIGER] Heirs of Ulrich Kegar Deed to Christopher Bunce > >(16 > > > > Jan 1814) > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you look on the Geiger board, you will see three JPG files > >attached > > > > which > > > > > are the three pages of the original Deed... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: <bzb@houston.rr.com> > > > > > >Reply-To: GEIGER-L@rootsweb.com > > > > > >To: GEIGER-L@rootsweb.com > > > > > >Subject: Re: [GEIGER] Heirs of Ulrich Kegar Deed to Christopher > >Bunce > > > (16 > > > > > >Jan 1814) > > > > > >Date: Mon, 24 May 2004 13:17:42 -0500 > > > > > > > > > > > >I've always wondered about this deed. Has anyone seen the > >original? > > > > Does > > > > > >the original include "(or Geiger)" or did somebody add those words > >when > > > > > >they > > > > > >abstracted it? > > > > > > > > > > > >You can't believe how many times I've found significant differences > > > > between > > > > > >the hand-written original records and the published abstracts. > > > > > > > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > > > > >From: <giegerg@hotmail.com> > > > > > >To: <GEIGER-L@rootsweb.com> > > > > > >Sent: Sunday, May 23, 2004 11:50 PM > > > > > >Subject: [GEIGER] Heirs of Ulrich Kegar Deed to Christopher Bunce > >(16 > > > Jan > > > > > >1814) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing > >list. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Surnames: GEIGER, Kegar, Hoofman, Bunce > > > > > > > Classification: Deed > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Message Board URL: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/JOY.2ACEB/892 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Message Board Post: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > State of Georgia } > > > > > > > This Indenture made the sixteenth day of January in the year of > >our > > > > Lord > > > > > >One thousand eight hundred and fifteen and in the thirty ninth year > >of > > > > the > > > > > >Independence of the United States of America between John Geiger, > > > Abraham > > > > > >Geiger and Mary[sic.Mercy] his wife, Mary Hoofman, Cornelius Geiger > >and > > > > > >Rebecca his wife, and Felix Geiger and Mary his wife, all of the > >said > > > > State > > > > > >and County of Bulloch of the one part, and Christopher Frederick > >Bunce > > > of > > > > > >the State and County aforesaid, planter of the other part; > >Witnesseth > > > > that > > > > > >the said John Geiger, Abraham Geiger and Mercy his wife, Mary > >Hoofman, > > > > > >Cornelius Geiger and Rebecca his wife, and Felix Geiger and Mary > >his > > > > wife, > > > > > >legal heirs of Ulrich Kegar (or Geiger) deceased for and in > > > consideration > > > > > >of > > > > > >the sum of two hundred and fifty dollars to them in hand well and > >truly > > > > > >paid > > > > > >by the said Christopher Frederick Bunce, at or before the sealing > >and > > > > > >delivery of these instruments, the receipt whereof is hereby > > > > acknowledged; > > > > > >They the said John Geiger! > > > > > > > , Abraham Geiger and Mercy his wife, Mary Hoofman, Cornelius > >Geiger > > > > and > > > > > >Rebecca his wife, and Felix Geiger and Mary his wife, Have granted, > > > > > >bargained, sold, aliened, released and confirmed and by these > >presents > > > do > > > > > >grant, bargain, sell, alien, release and confirm unto the said > > > > Christopher > > > > > >Frederick Bunce and to his heirs and assigns forever all that > >parcel > >of > > > > > >land > > > > > >being four fifths of a Tract originally on the second day of June, > >Anno > > > > > >Domini, one thousand [seven] hundred and sixty seven granted to > >Ulrich > > > > > >Kegar > > > > > >for three hundred acres the said four fifths of said tract of land > > > > > >containing agreeable to the Original grant, two hundred and forty > >acres > > > > and > > > > > >by an accurate resurvey thereof made the 2nd day of December 1814, > > > three > > > > > >hundred and twenty acres as will more fully appear by reference to > >the > > > > > >platt > > > > > >of said resurvey hereunto annexed, Situate lying and being at the > >date > > > of > > > > > >these presents in the said County on the south side of Great > >Ogechee > > > > River > > > > > >immediately above the flat ford! > > > > > > > butting and bounding North East by the said river North West > >to > > > land > > > > > > > of Stephen Denmark, South West by land of Denmark and land of > >John > > > > > >Geiger > > > > > >and South East by residue of said tract containing one fifth part > > > > belonging > > > > > >to the said John Geiger, Together with all and singular, the > >houses, > > > > > >Buildings and improvements, Rents, Issues, Profits, Privileges, > > > > Commodities > > > > > >and all the right, Title, Interest, Inheritance, Property, Benefit, > > > Claim > > > > > >and demand, whatsoever to the said four fifth's of the said tract > >of > > > land > > > > > >and all appurtenances thereunto belonging or in any wise > >appertaining: > > > to > > > > > >have and to hold the said four fifths of the said tract of land, > >and > > > all > > > > > >and > > > > > >singular, the premises above mentioned with their and every of > >their > > > > > >rights, > > > > > >Members and appurtenances; together with all and singular, the > >writings > > > > > >touching or in any wise Concerning the Same to the only proper use > >and > > > > > >benefit and behoof of the said Christopher Frederick Bunce, his > >heirs > > > and > > > > > >assigns forever, and the said John Geiger, Abraham Geiger and Mercy > >his > > > > > >wife, Mary Hoofman, Cornelius! > > > > > > > Geiger and Rebecca his wife, Felix Geiger and Mary his wife, > >their > > > > > >Heirs, Executors and administrators, the said four fifths of the > >said > > > > tract > > > > > >of land, and premises above mentioned and all and every part and > >parcel > > > > > >thereof unto the said Christopher Frederick Bunce, his heir and > > > assigns, > > > > > >against them the said John Geiger, Abraham Geiger and Mercy his > >wife, > > > > Mary > > > > > >Hoofman, Cornelius Geiger and Rebecca his wife, and Felix Geiger > >and > > > Mary > > > > > >his wife their heirs, Executors and administrators and assigns > >against > > > > all > > > > > >and every other person or persons whatsoever shall and will forever > > > > warrant > > > > > >and defend by these presents. In witness whereof, the said John > >Geiger, > > > > > >Abraham Geiger and Mercy his wife, Mary Hoofman, Cornelius Geiger > >and > > > > > >Rebecca his wife, and Felix Geiger and Mary his wife have hereunto > >set > > > > > >their > > > > > >hands and seals the day and year first above written. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > s/John Geiger <SS> > > > > > > > s/Abraham Geiger <SS> > > > > > > > s/Mercy Geiger <SS> > > > > > > > s/Mary Hoofman <SS> > > > > > > > s/Cornelius Geiger <SS> > > > > > > > s/Rebecca Geiger <SS> > > > > > > > s/Felix Geiger <SS> > > > > > > > s/Mary Geiger <SS> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Signed, Sealed and delivered in the presence of > > > > > > > s/Jacob Geiger > > > > > > > s/Philip Geiger > > > > > > > s/Stephen Denmark, JP > > > > > > > Recorded January 28th 1815, Ely Kennedy, Clerk > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Received the day and year first within mentioned of and from the > > > > within > > > > > >named Christopher Frederick Bunce, the Sum of two hundred and fifty > > > > > >dollars, > > > > > >the consideration money within mentioned say received in full by > >us. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > s/John Geiger > > > > > > > s/Abraham Geiger > > > > > > > s/Mercy Geiger > > > > > > > s/Mary Hoofman > > > > > > > s/Cornelius Geiger > > > > > > > s/Rebecca Geiger > > > > > > > s/Felix Geiger > > > > > > > s/Mary Geiger > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Witness: > > > > > > > s/Jacob Geiger > > > > > > > s/Philip Geiger > > > > > > > s/Stephen Denmark, JP > > > > > > > Recorded January 28th 1815 > > > > > > > Ely Kennedy, C, SC, BC > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Bulloch County GA 1814-1818 Deed Book AAA, pg 289&290 - > > > > Transcription] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== GEIGER Mailing List ==== > > > Check out our GEIGER homepage at: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~geiger/ > > > > > > ============================== > > > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > > > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. 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Or who was the Thomas Geiger in Orangeburg born before 1725? ----- Original Message ----- From: "susan wilson" <hrw3@worldnet.att.net> To: <GEIGER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2004 11:55 PM Subject: Re: [GEIGER] SC grants to GA Geigers? > Harriet...... > > Do you have any idea who Philip belongs to? > > Susan > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Harriet Imrey" <himrey@ntelos.net> > To: <GEIGER-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2004 4:10 PM > Subject: Re: [GEIGER] SC grants to GA Geigers? > > > > Nobody has traced the ancestry of these brothers, because they left no > male > > descendants in the Colonies. They emigrated from Beihingen-am-Neckar in > > Württemberg, Germany, and first show up in SC records in Aug 1755. At > that > > time, Jacob Geiger had a wife Mary, a daughter Mary, 3 indentured servants > > and 2 slaves. The first grant was south of the Edisto near Purrysburgh. > In > > 1757, both Michael and Jacob were Petit Jurors in St. Bartholomew Parish. > > Michael married Margaret, widow of Daniel Gelzer, but he survived her, > left > > all his property to brother Jacob. Per Jacob's will of 23 Sep 1769, his > > daughter (and only child) Mary was unmarried then. He mentioned brothers > > Hans Georg (deceased) and John Frederick, both still in Beihingen. All of > > the SC land references to Jacob and Michael Geiger are in Charlestown > > Precinct, although in four separate parishes (they owned a lot of land). > > The other 6 adult Jacob Geigers in SC at the time all lived in the > > backcountry, in Saxegotha, Craven County, and the Dutch Fork. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Pat Geiger" <jgeiger@sc.rr.com> > > To: <GEIGER-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2004 6:03 PM > > Subject: Re: [GEIGER] SC grants to GA Geigers? > > > > > > > Harriett- > > > I have not seen Micheal's name before or if I have it did not register. > > Who was his parents. > > > > > > John Geiger > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Harriet Imrey" <himrey@ntelos.net> > > > To: <GEIGER-L@rootsweb.com> > > > Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2004 12:18 PM > > > Subject: [GEIGER] SC grants to GA Geigers? > > > > > The SC land warrants for >500,000 acres south of the Altamaha (in GA) were > > issued in 3 batches on 5 Apr, 3 May and 7 Jun 1763: 1000 acres here, 5000 > > acres there, etc. Jacob Geiger of St. George/Dorchester Parish in SC got > a > > 600-acre plat (but no grant); his brother Michael, also of St. > > George/Dorchester, had a warrant for 600 acres, but didn't have a plat > > surveyed. Few of those warrants resulted in a grant, because the land had > > been awarded within the Creek Nation, and it was only the Cherokees who > had > > recently been defeated and shoved westwards. However, ~60,000 acres of GA > > land was actually awarded by SC grants....until the British Board of Trade > > found out about it and told the SC government to stop doing that! Gov. > > Boone said of course he could, since SC was supposed to extend to the 29 > > degree latitude. He was informed (by the Crown) that this land was due to > > be added to GA. In 1767, the SC government was ordered to send the grants > > to GA so they could be recorded there. > > > > Michael Geiger died in 1767, brother Jacob in 1769. Both had substantial > > estates (personal property as well as land), but no lands in GA! > > > > ______________________________ > > > ==== GEIGER Mailing List ==== > Check out our GEIGER homepage at: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~geiger/ > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 >

Oops! I meant Abraham's "mark". This could very well be true, but Abraham's grandson, Winfield Wickliff was well educated. NGF ----- Original Message ----- From: To: GEIGER-L@rootsweb.com Sent: 5/25/2004 11:19:50 AM Subject: Re: [GEIGER] Official copy: Ulrich Kegar Deed to Christopher Bunce (16 Jan 1814) Okay, see the problem I have is that "our" Abraham couldn't write, yet whoever transcribed the deed, left the impression that everyone signed and sealed the deed. So if there's THAT mistake, what others are there? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Connell" rconnell@cfl.rr.com To: GEIGER-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2004 9:55 AM Subject: [GEIGER] Official copy: Ulrich Kegar Deed to Christopher Bunce (16 Jan 1814) Beverly, how often have we seen a truly "original" deed? This is my photocopy of the OFFICIAL COPY in "Deeds Mortgages, Book AAA, 1814-1819," on file at Bulloch County Courthouse, Statesboro, GA. That's why all the signatures are in same handwriting. If you look down at the bottom, you will see "Recorded January 28th, 1815. Ely Kennedy, CSCBC." It's Ely's handwriting! (The next deed below it (recorded __ 1815) has to do with a marriage contract between John LINES and Sarah Ann ROBINSON who, along with her father Jonathan ROBINSON, are later found in the records of Gadsden County, FL.) By the way, on the previous page is a second GEIGER deed I later found they hadn't copied for me. It's the one filed at same time, stating that the sibs have sold one-fifth or 60 acres of the original grant to brother John GEIGER. Signed: Felix GEIGER, Abraham GEIGER, Mary HOFMAN and Cornelius GEIGER (no wives). Page numbering is off and A. K. Register's "Bulloch Co., GA, Genealogical Source Material", p. 52, had mis-shown both deeds on same page. I will post her extract on the Message Board. Anne C. ----- Original Message ----- From: bzb@houston.rr.com To: GEIGER-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2004 6:47 AM Subject: Re: [GEIGER] Heirs of Ulrich Kegar Deed to Christopher Bunce (16 Jan 1814) Those are not the original deeds. They appear to be early copies. (If you'll notice, all of the signatures are made in one handwriting.) We really need to look at the originals, IF they still exist. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gerald Gieger" giegerg@hotmail.com To: GEIGER-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, May 24, 2004 7:05 PM Subject: Re: [GEIGER] Heirs of Ulrich Kegar Deed to Christopher Bunce (16 Jan 1814) If you look on the Geiger board, you will see three JPG files attached which are the three pages of the original Deed... From: bzb@houston.rr.com Reply-To: GEIGER-L@rootsweb.com To: GEIGER-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [GEIGER] Heirs of Ulrich Kegar Deed to Christopher Bunce (16 Jan 1814) Date: Mon, 24 May 2004 13:17:42 -0500 I've always wondered about this deed. Has anyone seen the original? Does the original include "(or Geiger)" or did somebody add those words when they abstracted it? You can't believe how many times I've found significant differences between the hand-written original records and the published abstracts. ----- Original Message ----- From: giegerg@hotmail.com To: GEIGER-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Sunday, May 23, 2004 11:50 PM Subject: [GEIGER] Heirs of Ulrich Kegar Deed to Christopher Bunce (16 Jan 1814) This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: GEIGER, Kegar, Hoofman, Bunce Classification: Deed Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/JOY.2ACEB/892 Message Board Post: State of Georgia } This Indenture made the sixteenth day of January in the year of our Lord One thousand eight hundred and fifteen and in the thirty ninth year of the Independence of the United States of America between John Geiger, Abraham Geiger and Mary[sic.Mercy] his wife, Mary Hoofman, Cornelius Geiger and Rebecca his wife, and Felix Geiger and Mary his wife, all of the said State and County of Bulloch of the one part, and Christopher Frederick Bunce of the State and County aforesaid, planter of the other part; Witnesseth that the said John Geiger, Abraham Geiger and Mercy his wife, Mary Hoofman, Cornelius Geiger and Rebecca his wife, and Felix Geiger and Mary his wife, legal heirs of Ulrich Kegar (or Geiger) deceased for and in consideration of the sum of two hundred and fifty dollars to them in hand well and truly paid by the said Christopher Frederick Bunce, at or before the sealing and delivery of these instruments, the receipt whereof is hereby acknowledged; They the said John Geiger! , Abraham Geiger and Mercy his wife, Mary Hoofman, Cornelius Geiger and Rebecca his wife, and Felix Geiger and Mary his wife, Have granted, bargained, sold, aliened, released and confirmed and by these presents do grant, bargain, sell, alien, release and confirm unto the said Christopher Frederick Bunce and to his heirs and assigns forever all that parcel of land being four fifths of a Tract originally on the second day of June, Anno Domini, one thousand [seven] hundred and sixty seven granted to Ulrich Kegar for three hundred acres the said four fifths of said tract of land containing agreeable to the Original grant, two hundred and forty acres and by an accurate resurvey thereof made the 2nd day of December 1814, three hundred and twenty acres as will more fully appear by reference to the platt of said resurvey hereunto annexed, Situate lying and being at the date of these presents in the said County on the south side of Great Ogechee River immediately above the flat ford! butting and bounding North East by the said river North West to land of Stephen Denmark, South West by land of Denmark and land of John Geiger and South East by residue of said tract containing one fifth part belonging to the said John Geiger, Together with all and singular, the houses, Buildings and improvements, Rents, Issues, Profits, Privileges, Commodities and all the right, Title, Interest, Inheritance, Property, Benefit, Claim and demand, whatsoever to the said four fifth's of the said tract of land and all appurtenances thereunto belonging or in any wise appertaining: to have and to hold the said four fifths of the said tract of land, and all and singular, the premises above mentioned with their and every of their rights, Members and appurtenances; together with all and singular, the writings touching or in any wise Concerning the Same to the only proper use and benefit and behoof of the said Christopher Frederick Bunce, his heirs and assigns forever, and the said John Geiger, Abraham Geiger and Mercy his wife, Mary Hoofman, Cornelius! Geiger and Rebecca his wife, Felix Geiger and Mary his wife, their Heirs, Executors and administrators, the said four fifths of the said tract of land, and premises above mentioned and all and every part and parcel thereof unto the said Christopher Frederick Bunce, his heir and assigns, against them the said John Geiger, Abraham Geiger and Mercy his wife, Mary Hoofman, Cornelius Geiger and Rebecca his wife, and Felix Geiger and Mary his wife their heirs, Executors and administrators and assigns against all and every other person or persons whatsoever shall and will forever warrant and defend by these presents. In witness whereof, the said John Geiger, Abraham Geiger and Mercy his wife, Mary Hoofman, Cornelius Geiger and Rebecca his wife, and Felix Geiger and Mary his wife have hereunto set their hands and seals the day and year first above written. s/John Geiger s/Abraham Geiger s/Mercy Geiger s/Mary Hoofman s/Cornelius Geiger s/Rebecca Geiger s/Felix Geiger s/Mary Geiger Signed, Sealed and delivered in the presence of s/Jacob Geiger s/Philip Geiger s/Stephen Denmark, JP Recorded January 28th 1815, Ely Kennedy, Clerk Received the day and year first within mentioned of and from the within named Christopher Frederick Bunce, the Sum of two hundred and fifty dollars, the consideration money within mentioned say received in full by us. s/John Geiger s/Abraham Geiger s/Mercy Geiger s/Mary Hoofman s/Cornelius Geiger s/Rebecca Geiger s/Felix Geiger s/Mary Geiger Witness: s/Jacob Geiger s/Philip Geiger s/Stephen Denmark, JP Recorded January 28th 1815 Ely Kennedy, C, SC, BC [Bulloch County GA 1814-1818 Deed Book AAA, pg 289 290 - Transcription] ==== GEIGER Mailing List ==== Check out our GEIGER homepage at: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~geiger/ ============================== Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. 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I am assuming that you have seen a document with Ulrich's "mark" thus indicating that he couldn't write. Is this true? Nancy Geiger Ford ----- Original Message ----- From: To: GEIGER-L@rootsweb.com Sent: 5/25/2004 11:19:50 AM Subject: Re: [GEIGER] Official copy: Ulrich Kegar Deed to Christopher Bunce (16 Jan 1814) Okay, see the problem I have is that "our" Abraham couldn't write, yet whoever transcribed the deed, left the impression that everyone signed and sealed the deed. So if there's THAT mistake, what others are there? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Connell" rconnell@cfl.rr.com To: GEIGER-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2004 9:55 AM Subject: [GEIGER] Official copy: Ulrich Kegar Deed to Christopher Bunce (16 Jan 1814) Beverly, how often have we seen a truly "original" deed? This is my photocopy of the OFFICIAL COPY in "Deeds Mortgages, Book AAA, 1814-1819," on file at Bulloch County Courthouse, Statesboro, GA. That's why all the signatures are in same handwriting. If you look down at the bottom, you will see "Recorded January 28th, 1815. Ely Kennedy, CSCBC." It's Ely's handwriting! (The next deed below it (recorded __ 1815) has to do with a marriage contract between John LINES and Sarah Ann ROBINSON who, along with her father Jonathan ROBINSON, are later found in the records of Gadsden County, FL.) By the way, on the previous page is a second GEIGER deed I later found they hadn't copied for me. It's the one filed at same time, stating that the sibs have sold one-fifth or 60 acres of the original grant to brother John GEIGER. Signed: Felix GEIGER, Abraham GEIGER, Mary HOFMAN and Cornelius GEIGER (no wives). Page numbering is off and A. K. Register's "Bulloch Co., GA, Genealogical Source Material", p. 52, had mis-shown both deeds on same page. I will post her extract on the Message Board. Anne C. ----- Original Message ----- From: bzb@houston.rr.com To: GEIGER-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2004 6:47 AM Subject: Re: [GEIGER] Heirs of Ulrich Kegar Deed to Christopher Bunce (16 Jan 1814) Those are not the original deeds. They appear to be early copies. (If you'll notice, all of the signatures are made in one handwriting.) We really need to look at the originals, IF they still exist. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gerald Gieger" giegerg@hotmail.com To: GEIGER-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, May 24, 2004 7:05 PM Subject: Re: [GEIGER] Heirs of Ulrich Kegar Deed to Christopher Bunce (16 Jan 1814) If you look on the Geiger board, you will see three JPG files attached which are the three pages of the original Deed... From: bzb@houston.rr.com Reply-To: GEIGER-L@rootsweb.com To: GEIGER-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [GEIGER] Heirs of Ulrich Kegar Deed to Christopher Bunce (16 Jan 1814) Date: Mon, 24 May 2004 13:17:42 -0500 I've always wondered about this deed. Has anyone seen the original? Does the original include "(or Geiger)" or did somebody add those words when they abstracted it? You can't believe how many times I've found significant differences between the hand-written original records and the published abstracts. ----- Original Message ----- From: giegerg@hotmail.com To: GEIGER-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Sunday, May 23, 2004 11:50 PM Subject: [GEIGER] Heirs of Ulrich Kegar Deed to Christopher Bunce (16 Jan 1814) This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: GEIGER, Kegar, Hoofman, Bunce Classification: Deed Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/JOY.2ACEB/892 Message Board Post: State of Georgia } This Indenture made the sixteenth day of January in the year of our Lord One thousand eight hundred and fifteen and in the thirty ninth year of the Independence of the United States of America between John Geiger, Abraham Geiger and Mary[sic.Mercy] his wife, Mary Hoofman, Cornelius Geiger and Rebecca his wife, and Felix Geiger and Mary his wife, all of the said State and County of Bulloch of the one part, and Christopher Frederick Bunce of the State and County aforesaid, planter of the other part; Witnesseth that the said John Geiger, Abraham Geiger and Mercy his wife, Mary Hoofman, Cornelius Geiger and Rebecca his wife, and Felix Geiger and Mary his wife, legal heirs of Ulrich Kegar (or Geiger) deceased for and in consideration of the sum of two hundred and fifty dollars to them in hand well and truly paid by the said Christopher Frederick Bunce, at or before the sealing and delivery of these instruments, the receipt whereof is hereby acknowledged; They the said John Geiger! , Abraham Geiger and Mercy his wife, Mary Hoofman, Cornelius Geiger and Rebecca his wife, and Felix Geiger and Mary his wife, Have granted, bargained, sold, aliened, released and confirmed and by these presents do grant, bargain, sell, alien, release and confirm unto the said Christopher Frederick Bunce and to his heirs and assigns forever all that parcel of land being four fifths of a Tract originally on the second day of June, Anno Domini, one thousand [seven] hundred and sixty seven granted to Ulrich Kegar for three hundred acres the said four fifths of said tract of land containing agreeable to the Original grant, two hundred and forty acres and by an accurate resurvey thereof made the 2nd day of December 1814, three hundred and twenty acres as will more fully appear by reference to the platt of said resurvey hereunto annexed, Situate lying and being at the date of these presents in the said County on the south side of Great Ogechee River immediately above the flat ford! butting and bounding North East by the said river North West to land of Stephen Denmark, South West by land of Denmark and land of John Geiger and South East by residue of said tract containing one fifth part belonging to the said John Geiger, Together with all and singular, the houses, Buildings and improvements, Rents, Issues, Profits, Privileges, Commodities and all the right, Title, Interest, Inheritance, Property, Benefit, Claim and demand, whatsoever to the said four fifth's of the said tract of land and all appurtenances thereunto belonging or in any wise appertaining: to have and to hold the said four fifths of the said tract of land, and all and singular, the premises above mentioned with their and every of their rights, Members and appurtenances; together with all and singular, the writings touching or in any wise Concerning the Same to the only proper use and benefit and behoof of the said Christopher Frederick Bunce, his heirs and assigns forever, and the said John Geiger, Abraham Geiger and Mercy his wife, Mary Hoofman, Cornelius! Geiger and Rebecca his wife, Felix Geiger and Mary his wife, their Heirs, Executors and administrators, the said four fifths of the said tract of land, and premises above mentioned and all and every part and parcel thereof unto the said Christopher Frederick Bunce, his heir and assigns, against them the said John Geiger, Abraham Geiger and Mercy his wife, Mary Hoofman, Cornelius Geiger and Rebecca his wife, and Felix Geiger and Mary his wife their heirs, Executors and administrators and assigns against all and every other person or persons whatsoever shall and will forever warrant and defend by these presents. In witness whereof, the said John Geiger, Abraham Geiger and Mercy his wife, Mary Hoofman, Cornelius Geiger and Rebecca his wife, and Felix Geiger and Mary his wife have hereunto set their hands and seals the day and year first above written. s/John Geiger s/Abraham Geiger s/Mercy Geiger s/Mary Hoofman s/Cornelius Geiger s/Rebecca Geiger s/Felix Geiger s/Mary Geiger Signed, Sealed and delivered in the presence of s/Jacob Geiger s/Philip Geiger s/Stephen Denmark, JP Recorded January 28th 1815, Ely Kennedy, Clerk Received the day and year first within mentioned of and from the within named Christopher Frederick Bunce, the Sum of two hundred and fifty dollars, the consideration money within mentioned say received in full by us. s/John Geiger s/Abraham Geiger s/Mercy Geiger s/Mary Hoofman s/Cornelius Geiger s/Rebecca Geiger s/Felix Geiger s/Mary Geiger Witness: s/Jacob Geiger s/Philip Geiger s/Stephen Denmark, JP Recorded January 28th 1815 Ely Kennedy, C, SC, BC [Bulloch County GA 1814-1818 Deed Book AAA, pg 289 290 - Transcription] ==== GEIGER Mailing List ==== Check out our GEIGER homepage at: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~geiger/ ============================== Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. 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What proof do you have that Grandfather Abraham could not write??? The fact that he made a 'Mark' on some documents is meaningless...most people made a 'Mark' as it was considered unique or fashionable...the Scrivner's copy would never attempt to duplicate the elaborate ways folks made them...Grandmother Elizabeth Martin, wife of John A. Martin, used an "E" on documents in the 1790's. I know that Grandmother Tobitha, wife of Jessie could write, albeit it is questionable that he could. Appears that all the Children of Grandfather John A. Martin could write as well as read, as Grandfather James Martin used a 'Mark' on many documents...but a signature was recorded on some...since he was a Commissioner in Bryan County, he had to read and write...and sign... I transcribed the Textual copy which was posted, and that is why you will find a lowercase 's/' before the signature, to differentiate that it was signed and not 'Marked' My guess is that Christopher Frederick Bunce had the 'Original' in his strongbox, under his bed or some other safe place... >From: <bzb@houston.rr.com> >Reply-To: GEIGER-L@rootsweb.com >To: GEIGER-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [GEIGER] Official copy: Ulrich Kegar Deed to Christopher Bunce >(16 Jan 1814) >Date: Tue, 25 May 2004 10:19:50 -0500 > >Okay, see the problem I have is that "our" Abraham couldn't write, yet >whoever transcribed the deed, left the impression that everyone signed and >sealed the deed. So if there's THAT mistake, what others are there? > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Richard Connell" <rconnell@cfl.rr.com> >To: <GEIGER-L@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2004 9:55 AM >Subject: [GEIGER] Official copy: Ulrich Kegar Deed to Christopher Bunce (16 >Jan 1814) > > > > Beverly, how often have we seen a truly "original" deed? This is my > > photocopy of the OFFICIAL COPY in "Deeds & Mortgages, Book AAA, >1814-1819," > > on file at Bulloch County Courthouse, Statesboro, GA. That's why all the > > signatures are in same handwriting. If you look down at the bottom, you > > will see "Recorded January 28th, 1815. Ely Kennedy, CSCBC." It's Ely's > > handwriting! > > > > (The next deed below it (recorded __ 1815) has to do with a marriage > > contract between John LINES and Sarah Ann ROBINSON who, along with her > > father Jonathan ROBINSON, are later found in the records of Gadsden >County, > > FL.) > > > > By the way, on the previous page is a second GEIGER deed I later found >they > > hadn't copied for me. It's the one filed at same time, stating that the >sibs > > have sold one-fifth or 60 acres of the original grant to brother John > > GEIGER. Signed: Felix GEIGER, Abraham GEIGER, Mary HOFMAN and Cornelius > > GEIGER (no wives). Page numbering is off and A. K. Register's "Bulloch >Co., > > GA, Genealogical Source Material", p. 52, had mis-shown both deeds on >same > > page. I will post her extract on the Message Board. > > > > Anne C. > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: <bzb@houston.rr.com> > > To: <GEIGER-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2004 6:47 AM > > Subject: Re: [GEIGER] Heirs of Ulrich Kegar Deed to Christopher Bunce >(16 > > Jan 1814) > > > > > > > Those are not the original deeds. They appear to be early copies. >(If > > > you'll notice, all of the signatures are made in one handwriting.) We > > > really need to look at the originals, IF they still exist. > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Gerald Gieger" <giegerg@hotmail.com> > > > To: <GEIGER-L@rootsweb.com> > > > Sent: Monday, May 24, 2004 7:05 PM > > > Subject: Re: [GEIGER] Heirs of Ulrich Kegar Deed to Christopher Bunce >(16 > > > Jan 1814) > > > > > > > > > > If you look on the Geiger board, you will see three JPG files >attached > > > which > > > > are the three pages of the original Deed... > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: <bzb@houston.rr.com> > > > > >Reply-To: GEIGER-L@rootsweb.com > > > > >To: GEIGER-L@rootsweb.com > > > > >Subject: Re: [GEIGER] Heirs of Ulrich Kegar Deed to Christopher >Bunce > > (16 > > > > >Jan 1814) > > > > >Date: Mon, 24 May 2004 13:17:42 -0500 > > > > > > > > > >I've always wondered about this deed. Has anyone seen the >original? > > > Does > > > > >the original include "(or Geiger)" or did somebody add those words >when > > > > >they > > > > >abstracted it? > > > > > > > > > >You can't believe how many times I've found significant differences > > > between > > > > >the hand-written original records and the published abstracts. > > > > > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > > > >From: <giegerg@hotmail.com> > > > > >To: <GEIGER-L@rootsweb.com> > > > > >Sent: Sunday, May 23, 2004 11:50 PM > > > > >Subject: [GEIGER] Heirs of Ulrich Kegar Deed to Christopher Bunce >(16 > > Jan > > > > >1814) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing >list. > > > > > > > > > > > > Surnames: GEIGER, Kegar, Hoofman, Bunce > > > > > > Classification: Deed > > > > > > > > > > > > Message Board URL: > > > > > > > > > > > > http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/JOY.2ACEB/892 > > > > > > > > > > > > Message Board Post: > > > > > > > > > > > > State of Georgia } > > > > > > This Indenture made the sixteenth day of January in the year of >our > > > Lord > > > > >One thousand eight hundred and fifteen and in the thirty ninth year >of > > > the > > > > >Independence of the United States of America between John Geiger, > > Abraham > > > > >Geiger and Mary[sic.Mercy] his wife, Mary Hoofman, Cornelius Geiger >and > > > > >Rebecca his wife, and Felix Geiger and Mary his wife, all of the >said > > > State > > > > >and County of Bulloch of the one part, and Christopher Frederick >Bunce > > of > > > > >the State and County aforesaid, planter of the other part; >Witnesseth > > > that > > > > >the said John Geiger, Abraham Geiger and Mercy his wife, Mary >Hoofman, > > > > >Cornelius Geiger and Rebecca his wife, and Felix Geiger and Mary >his > > > wife, > > > > >legal heirs of Ulrich Kegar (or Geiger) deceased for and in > > consideration > > > > >of > > > > >the sum of two hundred and fifty dollars to them in hand well and >truly > > > > >paid > > > > >by the said Christopher Frederick Bunce, at or before the sealing >and > > > > >delivery of these instruments, the receipt whereof is hereby > > > acknowledged; > > > > >They the said John Geiger! > > > > > > , Abraham Geiger and Mercy his wife, Mary Hoofman, Cornelius >Geiger > > > and > > > > >Rebecca his wife, and Felix Geiger and Mary his wife, Have granted, > > > > >bargained, sold, aliened, released and confirmed and by these >presents > > do > > > > >grant, bargain, sell, alien, release and confirm unto the said > > > Christopher > > > > >Frederick Bunce and to his heirs and assigns forever all that >parcel >of > > > > >land > > > > >being four fifths of a Tract originally on the second day of June, >Anno > > > > >Domini, one thousand [seven] hundred and sixty seven granted to >Ulrich > > > > >Kegar > > > > >for three hundred acres the said four fifths of said tract of land > > > > >containing agreeable to the Original grant, two hundred and forty >acres > > > and > > > > >by an accurate resurvey thereof made the 2nd day of December 1814, > > three > > > > >hundred and twenty acres as will more fully appear by reference to >the > > > > >platt > > > > >of said resurvey hereunto annexed, Situate lying and being at the >date > > of > > > > >these presents in the said County on the south side of Great >Ogechee > > > River > > > > >immediately above the flat ford! > > > > > > butting and bounding North East by the said river North West >to > > land > > > > > > of Stephen Denmark, South West by land of Denmark and land of >John > > > > >Geiger > > > > >and South East by residue of said tract containing one fifth part > > > belonging > > > > >to the said John Geiger, Together with all and singular, the >houses, > > > > >Buildings and improvements, Rents, Issues, Profits, Privileges, > > > Commodities > > > > >and all the right, Title, Interest, Inheritance, Property, Benefit, > > Claim > > > > >and demand, whatsoever to the said four fifth's of the said tract >of > > land > > > > >and all appurtenances thereunto belonging or in any wise >appertaining: > > to > > > > >have and to hold the said four fifths of the said tract of land, >and > > all > > > > >and > > > > >singular, the premises above mentioned with their and every of >their > > > > >rights, > > > > >Members and appurtenances; together with all and singular, the >writings > > > > >touching or in any wise Concerning the Same to the only proper use >and > > > > >benefit and behoof of the said Christopher Frederick Bunce, his >heirs > > and > > > > >assigns forever, and the said John Geiger, Abraham Geiger and Mercy >his > > > > >wife, Mary Hoofman, Cornelius! > > > > > > Geiger and Rebecca his wife, Felix Geiger and Mary his wife, >their > > > > >Heirs, Executors and administrators, the said four fifths of the >said > > > tract > > > > >of land, and premises above mentioned and all and every part and >parcel > > > > >thereof unto the said Christopher Frederick Bunce, his heir and > > assigns, > > > > >against them the said John Geiger, Abraham Geiger and Mercy his >wife, > > > Mary > > > > >Hoofman, Cornelius Geiger and Rebecca his wife, and Felix Geiger >and > > Mary > > > > >his wife their heirs, Executors and administrators and assigns >against > > > all > > > > >and every other person or persons whatsoever shall and will forever > > > warrant > > > > >and defend by these presents. In witness whereof, the said John >Geiger, > > > > >Abraham Geiger and Mercy his wife, Mary Hoofman, Cornelius Geiger >and > > > > >Rebecca his wife, and Felix Geiger and Mary his wife have hereunto >set > > > > >their > > > > >hands and seals the day and year first above written. > > > > > > > > > > > > s/John Geiger <SS> > > > > > > s/Abraham Geiger <SS> > > > > > > s/Mercy Geiger <SS> > > > > > > s/Mary Hoofman <SS> > > > > > > s/Cornelius Geiger <SS> > > > > > > s/Rebecca Geiger <SS> > > > > > > s/Felix Geiger <SS> > > > > > > s/Mary Geiger <SS> > > > > > > > > > > > > Signed, Sealed and delivered in the presence of > > > > > > s/Jacob Geiger > > > > > > s/Philip Geiger > > > > > > s/Stephen Denmark, JP > > > > > > Recorded January 28th 1815, Ely Kennedy, Clerk > > > > > > > > > > > > Received the day and year first within mentioned of and from the > > > within > > > > >named Christopher Frederick Bunce, the Sum of two hundred and fifty > > > > >dollars, > > > > >the consideration money within mentioned say received in full by >us. > > > > > > > > > > > > s/John Geiger > > > > > > s/Abraham Geiger > > > > > > s/Mercy Geiger > > > > > > s/Mary Hoofman > > > > > > s/Cornelius Geiger > > > > > > s/Rebecca Geiger > > > > > > s/Felix Geiger > > > > > > s/Mary Geiger > > > > > > > > > > > > Witness: > > > > > > s/Jacob Geiger > > > > > > s/Philip Geiger > > > > > > s/Stephen Denmark, JP > > > > > > Recorded January 28th 1815 > > > > > > Ely Kennedy, C, SC, BC > > > > > > > > > > > > [Bulloch County GA 1814-1818 Deed Book AAA, pg 289&290 - > > > Transcription] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== GEIGER Mailing List ==== > > Check out our GEIGER homepage at: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~geiger/ > > > > ============================== > > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. 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Perhaps there were two "Originals" made in NC...I know that the Owner always wanted to have a signed copy in his possession, so that he could prove ownership, in case someone else tried to claim his land...and if the Courthouse burned, which most in the South did at one time or other, he would have no proof... >From: JYoung6180@aol.com >Reply-To: GEIGER-L@rootsweb.com >To: GEIGER-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [GEIGER] Heirs of Ulrich Kegar Deed to Christopher Bunce (16 >Jan 1814) >Date: Tue, 25 May 2004 11:11:46 EDT > >In a message dated 5/25/2004 9:22:07 AM Eastern Standard Time, >giegerg@hotmail.com writes: >In the days you speak of, there were no photocopy machines - they had not >yet been invented...documents were prepared and folks met and signed; >afterward the Court Scrivner copied the Original for the Official Court >Record and returned the Original to the individual, as his Proof that he >held Title to the property. The Scrivners copy was recorded in the >Official >Records of the County, so what you are seeing is the only copy >available...In most cases, copies with Original signatures have long since >been destroyed...but make no mistake, these are what you would get if you >ordered Certified Copies from the County today... > >In today's modern world, copies are quickly available...in those days it >took days to get them, so not many were made... >--- >We ran into this problem when trying to match John Adam Geiger of NC's >signature on his will to the signature on a ship list. Someone did find >the >original copy of the will with his actual signature in the NC state >archives. I >don't know how it would work in other states but that is what NC did with >the >originals. > >Joan > > >==== GEIGER Mailing List ==== >Check out our GEIGER homepage at: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~geiger/ > >============================== >Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration >Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > _________________________________________________________________ Watch LIVE baseball games on your computer with MLB.TV, included with MSN Premium! http://join.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200439ave/direct/01/

Nobody has traced the ancestry of these brothers, because they left no male descendants in the Colonies. They emigrated from Beihingen-am-Neckar in Württemberg, Germany, and first show up in SC records in Aug 1755. At that time, Jacob Geiger had a wife Mary, a daughter Mary, 3 indentured servants and 2 slaves. The first grant was south of the Edisto near Purrysburgh. In 1757, both Michael and Jacob were Petit Jurors in St. Bartholomew Parish. Michael married Margaret, widow of Daniel Gelzer, but he survived her, left all his property to brother Jacob. Per Jacob's will of 23 Sep 1769, his daughter (and only child) Mary was unmarried then. He mentioned brothers Hans Georg (deceased) and John Frederick, both still in Beihingen. All of the SC land references to Jacob and Michael Geiger are in Charlestown Precinct, although in four separate parishes (they owned a lot of land). The other 6 adult Jacob Geigers in SC at the time all lived in the backcountry, in Saxegotha, Craven County, and the Dutch Fork. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pat Geiger" <jgeiger@sc.rr.com> To: <GEIGER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2004 6:03 PM Subject: Re: [GEIGER] SC grants to GA Geigers? > Harriett- > I have not seen Micheal's name before or if I have it did not register. Who was his parents. > > John Geiger > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Harriet Imrey" <himrey@ntelos.net> > To: <GEIGER-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2004 12:18 PM > Subject: [GEIGER] SC grants to GA Geigers? > The SC land warrants for >500,000 acres south of the Altamaha (in GA) were issued in 3 batches on 5 Apr, 3 May and 7 Jun 1763: 1000 acres here, 5000 acres there, etc. Jacob Geiger of St. George/Dorchester Parish in SC got a 600-acre plat (but no grant); his brother Michael, also of St. George/Dorchester, had a warrant for 600 acres, but didn't have a plat surveyed. Few of those warrants resulted in a grant, because the land had been awarded within the Creek Nation, and it was only the Cherokees who had recently been defeated and shoved westwards. However, ~60,000 acres of GA land was actually awarded by SC grants....until the British Board of Trade found out about it and told the SC government to stop doing that! Gov. Boone said of course he could, since SC was supposed to extend to the 29 degree latitude. He was informed (by the Crown) that this land was due to be added to GA. In 1767, the SC government was ordered to send the grants to GA so they could be recorded there. Michael Geiger died in 1767, brother Jacob in 1769. Both had substantial estates (personal property as well as land), but no lands in GA!

Harriett- I have not seen Micheal's name before or if I have it did not register. Who was his parents. John Geiger ----- Original Message ----- From: "Harriet Imrey" <himrey@ntelos.net> To: <GEIGER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2004 12:18 PM Subject: [GEIGER] SC grants to GA Geigers? > The SC land warrants for >500,000 acres south of the Altamaha (in GA) were > issued in 3 batches on 5 Apr, 3 May and 7 Jun 1763: 1000 acres here, 5000 > acres there, etc. Jacob Geiger of St. George/Dorchester Parish in SC got a > 600-acre plat (but no grant); his brother Michael, also of St. > George/Dorchester, had a warrant for 600 acres, but didn't have a plat > surveyed. Few of those warrants resulted in a grant, because the land had > been awarded within the Creek Nation, and it was only the Cherokees who had > recently been defeated and shoved westwards. However, ~60,000 acres of GA > land was actually awarded by SC grants....until the British Board of Trade > found out about it and told the SC government to stop doing that! Gov. > Boone said of course he could, since SC was supposed to extend to the 29 > degree latitude. He was informed (by the Crown) that this land was due to > be added to GA. In 1767, the SC government was ordered to send the grants > to GA so they could be recorded there. > > Michael Geiger died in 1767, brother Jacob in 1769. Both had substantial > estates (personal property as well as land), but no lands in GA! > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <bzb@houston.rr.com> > To: <GEIGER-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2004 10:38 AM > Subject: Re: [GEIGER] Heirs of Ulrich Kegar Deed to Christopher Bunce (16 > Jan 1814) > > This is the earliest Geiger deed that I have found issued for land in GA by > the SC Council: > > 1763/05/10 > > Description: GEIGER, JACOB, PLAT FOR 600 ACRES ON ALATAMAHA RIVER. > > Names Indexed: LEIGH, EGERTON/GEIGER, JACOB/DAVIS, WILLIAM/ > > > > > ==== GEIGER Mailing List ==== > To subscribe or unsubscribe from this list send an e-mail to: GEIGER-L-request@rootsweb.com (mail mode) or GEIGER-D-request@rootsweb.com (digest mode) and put only one word--either SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE in the subject and the body of the message. > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 >

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/JOY.2ACEB/891.1.1 Message Board Post: thanks so much for your help. wilma

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/JOY.2ACEB/894 Message Board Post: It seems that the Geiger family" has an "original copy" that is very, very close to the original. Considering the time that it was written we should be happy we have it. The current Geiger decendants should be extremely pleased that we have so much written and documented about our fore-fathers and mothers. Most do not. The other side of my family, Speck, can not find any thing previous to 1773 and the early information is quite spotty. So be content that you have a true copy of the document and that one question has been settled-that Mercy is Mercy and not Mary. The document provides a wealth of historical information. John Geiger

In the days you speak of, there were no photocopy machines - they had not yet been invented...documents were prepared and folks met and signed; afterward the Court Scrivner copied the Original for the Official Court Record and returned the Original to the individual, as his Proof that he held Title to the property. The Scrivners copy was recorded in the Official Records of the County, so what you are seeing is the only copy available...In most cases, copies with Original signatures have long since been destroyed...but make no mistake, these are what you would get if you ordered Certified Copies from the County today... In today's modern world, copies are quickly available...in those days it took days to get them, so not many were made... >From: <bzb@houston.rr.com> >Reply-To: GEIGER-L@rootsweb.com >To: GEIGER-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [GEIGER] Heirs of Ulrich Kegar Deed to Christopher Bunce (16 >Jan 1814) >Date: Tue, 25 May 2004 05:47:14 -0500 > >Those are not the original deeds. They appear to be early copies. (If >you'll notice, all of the signatures are made in one handwriting.) We >really need to look at the originals, IF they still exist. > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Gerald Gieger" <giegerg@hotmail.com> >To: <GEIGER-L@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Monday, May 24, 2004 7:05 PM >Subject: Re: [GEIGER] Heirs of Ulrich Kegar Deed to Christopher Bunce (16 >Jan 1814) > > > > If you look on the Geiger board, you will see three JPG files attached >which > > are the three pages of the original Deed... > > > > > > >From: <bzb@houston.rr.com> > > >Reply-To: GEIGER-L@rootsweb.com > > >To: GEIGER-L@rootsweb.com > > >Subject: Re: [GEIGER] Heirs of Ulrich Kegar Deed to Christopher Bunce >(16 > > >Jan 1814) > > >Date: Mon, 24 May 2004 13:17:42 -0500 > > > > > >I've always wondered about this deed. Has anyone seen the original? >Does > > >the original include "(or Geiger)" or did somebody add those words when > > >they > > >abstracted it? > > > > > >You can't believe how many times I've found significant differences >between > > >the hand-written original records and the published abstracts. > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > >From: <giegerg@hotmail.com> > > >To: <GEIGER-L@rootsweb.com> > > >Sent: Sunday, May 23, 2004 11:50 PM > > >Subject: [GEIGER] Heirs of Ulrich Kegar Deed to Christopher Bunce (16 >Jan > > >1814) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. > > > > > > > > Surnames: GEIGER, Kegar, Hoofman, Bunce > > > > Classification: Deed > > > > > > > > Message Board URL: > > > > > > > > http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/JOY.2ACEB/892 > > > > > > > > Message Board Post: > > > > > > > > State of Georgia } > > > > This Indenture made the sixteenth day of January in the year of our >Lord > > >One thousand eight hundred and fifteen and in the thirty ninth year of >the > > >Independence of the United States of America between John Geiger, >Abraham > > >Geiger and Mary[sic.Mercy] his wife, Mary Hoofman, Cornelius Geiger and > > >Rebecca his wife, and Felix Geiger and Mary his wife, all of the said >State > > >and County of Bulloch of the one part, and Christopher Frederick Bunce >of > > >the State and County aforesaid, planter of the other part; Witnesseth >that > > >the said John Geiger, Abraham Geiger and Mercy his wife, Mary Hoofman, > > >Cornelius Geiger and Rebecca his wife, and Felix Geiger and Mary his >wife, > > >legal heirs of Ulrich Kegar (or Geiger) deceased for and in >consideration > > >of > > >the sum of two hundred and fifty dollars to them in hand well and truly > > >paid > > >by the said Christopher Frederick Bunce, at or before the sealing and > > >delivery of these instruments, the receipt whereof is hereby >acknowledged; > > >They the said John Geiger! > > > > , Abraham Geiger and Mercy his wife, Mary Hoofman, Cornelius Geiger >and > > >Rebecca his wife, and Felix Geiger and Mary his wife, Have granted, > > >bargained, sold, aliened, released and confirmed and by these presents >do > > >grant, bargain, sell, alien, release and confirm unto the said >Christopher > > >Frederick Bunce and to his heirs and assigns forever all that parcel of > > >land > > >being four fifths of a Tract originally on the second day of June, Anno > > >Domini, one thousand [seven] hundred and sixty seven granted to Ulrich > > >Kegar > > >for three hundred acres the said four fifths of said tract of land > > >containing agreeable to the Original grant, two hundred and forty acres >and > > >by an accurate resurvey thereof made the 2nd day of December 1814, >three > > >hundred and twenty acres as will more fully appear by reference to the > > >platt > > >of said resurvey hereunto annexed, Situate lying and being at the date >of > > >these presents in the said County on the south side of Great Ogechee >River > > >immediately above the flat ford! > > > > butting and bounding North East by the said river North West to >land > > > > of Stephen Denmark, South West by land of Denmark and land of John > > >Geiger > > >and South East by residue of said tract containing one fifth part >belonging > > >to the said John Geiger, Together with all and singular, the houses, > > >Buildings and improvements, Rents, Issues, Profits, Privileges, >Commodities > > >and all the right, Title, Interest, Inheritance, Property, Benefit, >Claim > > >and demand, whatsoever to the said four fifth's of the said tract of >land > > >and all appurtenances thereunto belonging or in any wise appertaining: >to > > >have and to hold the said four fifths of the said tract of land, and >all > > >and > > >singular, the premises above mentioned with their and every of their > > >rights, > > >Members and appurtenances; together with all and singular, the writings > > >touching or in any wise Concerning the Same to the only proper use and > > >benefit and behoof of the said Christopher Frederick Bunce, his heirs >and > > >assigns forever, and the said John Geiger, Abraham Geiger and Mercy his > > >wife, Mary Hoofman, Cornelius! > > > > Geiger and Rebecca his wife, Felix Geiger and Mary his wife, their > > >Heirs, Executors and administrators, the said four fifths of the said >tract > > >of land, and premises above mentioned and all and every part and parcel > > >thereof unto the said Christopher Frederick Bunce, his heir and >assigns, > > >against them the said John Geiger, Abraham Geiger and Mercy his wife, >Mary > > >Hoofman, Cornelius Geiger and Rebecca his wife, and Felix Geiger and >Mary > > >his wife their heirs, Executors and administrators and assigns against >all > > >and every other person or persons whatsoever shall and will forever >warrant > > >and defend by these presents. In witness whereof, the said John Geiger, > > >Abraham Geiger and Mercy his wife, Mary Hoofman, Cornelius Geiger and > > >Rebecca his wife, and Felix Geiger and Mary his wife have hereunto set > > >their > > >hands and seals the day and year first above written. > > > > > > > > s/John Geiger <SS> > > > > s/Abraham Geiger <SS> > > > > s/Mercy Geiger <SS> > > > > s/Mary Hoofman <SS> > > > > s/Cornelius Geiger <SS> > > > > s/Rebecca Geiger <SS> > > > > s/Felix Geiger <SS> > > > > s/Mary Geiger <SS> > > > > > > > > Signed, Sealed and delivered in the presence of > > > > s/Jacob Geiger > > > > s/Philip Geiger > > > > s/Stephen Denmark, JP > > > > Recorded January 28th 1815, Ely Kennedy, Clerk > > > > > > > > Received the day and year first within mentioned of and from the >within > > >named Christopher Frederick Bunce, the Sum of two hundred and fifty > > >dollars, > > >the consideration money within mentioned say received in full by us. > > > > > > > > s/John Geiger > > > > s/Abraham Geiger > > > > s/Mercy Geiger > > > > s/Mary Hoofman > > > > s/Cornelius Geiger > > > > s/Rebecca Geiger > > > > s/Felix Geiger > > > > s/Mary Geiger > > > > > > > > Witness: > > > > s/Jacob Geiger > > > > s/Philip Geiger > > > > s/Stephen Denmark, JP > > > > Recorded January 28th 1815 > > > > Ely Kennedy, C, SC, BC > > > > > > > > [Bulloch County GA 1814-1818 Deed Book AAA, pg 289&290 - >Transcription] > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== GEIGER Mailing List ==== > > > > To subscribe or unsubscribe from this list send an e-mail to: > > >GEIGER-L-request@rootsweb.com (mail mode) or >GEIGER-D-request@rootsweb.com > > >(digest mode) and put only one word--either SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE in >the > > >subject and the body of the message. > > > > > > > > ============================== > > > > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > > > > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. 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The SC land warrants for >500,000 acres south of the Altamaha (in GA) were issued in 3 batches on 5 Apr, 3 May and 7 Jun 1763: 1000 acres here, 5000 acres there, etc. Jacob Geiger of St. George/Dorchester Parish in SC got a 600-acre plat (but no grant); his brother Michael, also of St. George/Dorchester, had a warrant for 600 acres, but didn't have a plat surveyed. Few of those warrants resulted in a grant, because the land had been awarded within the Creek Nation, and it was only the Cherokees who had recently been defeated and shoved westwards. However, ~60,000 acres of GA land was actually awarded by SC grants....until the British Board of Trade found out about it and told the SC government to stop doing that! Gov. Boone said of course he could, since SC was supposed to extend to the 29 degree latitude. He was informed (by the Crown) that this land was due to be added to GA. In 1767, the SC government was ordered to send the grants to GA so they could be recorded there. Michael Geiger died in 1767, brother Jacob in 1769. Both had substantial estates (personal property as well as land), but no lands in GA! ----- Original Message ----- From: <bzb@houston.rr.com> To: <GEIGER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2004 10:38 AM Subject: Re: [GEIGER] Heirs of Ulrich Kegar Deed to Christopher Bunce (16 Jan 1814) This is the earliest Geiger deed that I have found issued for land in GA by the SC Council: 1763/05/10 Description: GEIGER, JACOB, PLAT FOR 600 ACRES ON ALATAMAHA RIVER. Names Indexed: LEIGH, EGERTON/GEIGER, JACOB/DAVIS, WILLIAM/

In a message dated 5/25/2004 9:22:07 AM Eastern Standard Time, giegerg@hotmail.com writes: In the days you speak of, there were no photocopy machines - they had not yet been invented...documents were prepared and folks met and signed; afterward the Court Scrivner copied the Original for the Official Court Record and returned the Original to the individual, as his Proof that he held Title to the property. The Scrivners copy was recorded in the Official Records of the County, so what you are seeing is the only copy available...In most cases, copies with Original signatures have long since been destroyed...but make no mistake, these are what you would get if you ordered Certified Copies from the County today... In today's modern world, copies are quickly available...in those days it took days to get them, so not many were made... --- We ran into this problem when trying to match John Adam Geiger of NC's signature on his will to the signature on a ship list. Someone did find the original copy of the will with his actual signature in the NC state archives. I don't know how it would work in other states but that is what NC did with the originals. Joan

Bev, on the 24th you wrote: "I'm not sure where this fits into things... but I found a deed from the state of SC to John Geiger .... The land was on the Ogechee in GA. I believe this to be the land that the children later divide." Could you post that one, too? Ulrich's grant was on the Great Ogeechee. Anne C. ----- Original Message ----- From: <bzb@houston.rr.com> To: <GEIGER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2004 10:38 AM Subject: Re: [GEIGER] Heirs of Ulrich Kegar Deed to Christopher Bunce (16 Jan 1814) > I agree with what you say, Gerry, but a lot of times you can find the > original and it will be slightly different from the abstract. After all, > scribes made mistakes too. > > This is the earliest Geiger deed that I have found issued for land in GA by > the SC Council: > > 1763/05/10 > > Description: GEIGER, JACOB, PLAT FOR 600 ACRES ON ALATAMAHA RIVER. > > Names Indexed: LEIGH, EGERTON/GEIGER, JACOB/DAVIS, WILLIAM/ >

Beverly, how often have we seen a truly "original" deed? This is my photocopy of the OFFICIAL COPY in "Deeds & Mortgages, Book AAA, 1814-1819," on file at Bulloch County Courthouse, Statesboro, GA. That's why all the signatures are in same handwriting. If you look down at the bottom, you will see "Recorded January 28th, 1815. Ely Kennedy, CSCBC." It's Ely's handwriting! (The next deed below it (recorded __ 1815) has to do with a marriage contract between John LINES and Sarah Ann ROBINSON who, along with her father Jonathan ROBINSON, are later found in the records of Gadsden County, FL.) By the way, on the previous page is a second GEIGER deed I later found they hadn't copied for me. It's the one filed at same time, stating that the sibs have sold one-fifth or 60 acres of the original grant to brother John GEIGER. Signed: Felix GEIGER, Abraham GEIGER, Mary HOFMAN and Cornelius GEIGER (no wives). Page numbering is off and A. K. Register's "Bulloch Co., GA, Genealogical Source Material", p. 52, had mis-shown both deeds on same page. I will post her extract on the Message Board. Anne C. ----- Original Message ----- From: <bzb@houston.rr.com> To: <GEIGER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2004 6:47 AM Subject: Re: [GEIGER] Heirs of Ulrich Kegar Deed to Christopher Bunce (16 Jan 1814) > Those are not the original deeds. They appear to be early copies. (If > you'll notice, all of the signatures are made in one handwriting.) We > really need to look at the originals, IF they still exist. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Gerald Gieger" <giegerg@hotmail.com> > To: <GEIGER-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, May 24, 2004 7:05 PM > Subject: Re: [GEIGER] Heirs of Ulrich Kegar Deed to Christopher Bunce (16 > Jan 1814) > > > > If you look on the Geiger board, you will see three JPG files attached > which > > are the three pages of the original Deed... > > > > > > >From: <bzb@houston.rr.com> > > >Reply-To: GEIGER-L@rootsweb.com > > >To: GEIGER-L@rootsweb.com > > >Subject: Re: [GEIGER] Heirs of Ulrich Kegar Deed to Christopher Bunce (16 > > >Jan 1814) > > >Date: Mon, 24 May 2004 13:17:42 -0500 > > > > > >I've always wondered about this deed. Has anyone seen the original? > Does > > >the original include "(or Geiger)" or did somebody add those words when > > >they > > >abstracted it? > > > > > >You can't believe how many times I've found significant differences > between > > >the hand-written original records and the published abstracts. > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > >From: <giegerg@hotmail.com> > > >To: <GEIGER-L@rootsweb.com> > > >Sent: Sunday, May 23, 2004 11:50 PM > > >Subject: [GEIGER] Heirs of Ulrich Kegar Deed to Christopher Bunce (16 Jan > > >1814) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. > > > > > > > > Surnames: GEIGER, Kegar, Hoofman, Bunce > > > > Classification: Deed > > > > > > > > Message Board URL: > > > > > > > > http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/JOY.2ACEB/892 > > > > > > > > Message Board Post: > > > > > > > > State of Georgia } > > > > This Indenture made the sixteenth day of January in the year of our > Lord > > >One thousand eight hundred and fifteen and in the thirty ninth year of > the > > >Independence of the United States of America between John Geiger, Abraham > > >Geiger and Mary[sic.Mercy] his wife, Mary Hoofman, Cornelius Geiger and > > >Rebecca his wife, and Felix Geiger and Mary his wife, all of the said > State > > >and County of Bulloch of the one part, and Christopher Frederick Bunce of > > >the State and County aforesaid, planter of the other part; Witnesseth > that > > >the said John Geiger, Abraham Geiger and Mercy his wife, Mary Hoofman, > > >Cornelius Geiger and Rebecca his wife, and Felix Geiger and Mary his > wife, > > >legal heirs of Ulrich Kegar (or Geiger) deceased for and in consideration > > >of > > >the sum of two hundred and fifty dollars to them in hand well and truly > > >paid > > >by the said Christopher Frederick Bunce, at or before the sealing and > > >delivery of these instruments, the receipt whereof is hereby > acknowledged; > > >They the said John Geiger! > > > > , Abraham Geiger and Mercy his wife, Mary Hoofman, Cornelius Geiger > and > > >Rebecca his wife, and Felix Geiger and Mary his wife, Have granted, > > >bargained, sold, aliened, released and confirmed and by these presents do > > >grant, bargain, sell, alien, release and confirm unto the said > Christopher > > >Frederick Bunce and to his heirs and assigns forever all that parcel of > > >land > > >being four fifths of a Tract originally on the second day of June, Anno > > >Domini, one thousand [seven] hundred and sixty seven granted to Ulrich > > >Kegar > > >for three hundred acres the said four fifths of said tract of land > > >containing agreeable to the Original grant, two hundred and forty acres > and > > >by an accurate resurvey thereof made the 2nd day of December 1814, three > > >hundred and twenty acres as will more fully appear by reference to the > > >platt > > >of said resurvey hereunto annexed, Situate lying and being at the date of > > >these presents in the said County on the south side of Great Ogechee > River > > >immediately above the flat ford! > > > > butting and bounding North East by the said river North West to land > > > > of Stephen Denmark, South West by land of Denmark and land of John > > >Geiger > > >and South East by residue of said tract containing one fifth part > belonging > > >to the said John Geiger, Together with all and singular, the houses, > > >Buildings and improvements, Rents, Issues, Profits, Privileges, > Commodities > > >and all the right, Title, Interest, Inheritance, Property, Benefit, Claim > > >and demand, whatsoever to the said four fifth's of the said tract of land > > >and all appurtenances thereunto belonging or in any wise appertaining: to > > >have and to hold the said four fifths of the said tract of land, and all > > >and > > >singular, the premises above mentioned with their and every of their > > >rights, > > >Members and appurtenances; together with all and singular, the writings > > >touching or in any wise Concerning the Same to the only proper use and > > >benefit and behoof of the said Christopher Frederick Bunce, his heirs and > > >assigns forever, and the said John Geiger, Abraham Geiger and Mercy his > > >wife, Mary Hoofman, Cornelius! > > > > Geiger and Rebecca his wife, Felix Geiger and Mary his wife, their > > >Heirs, Executors and administrators, the said four fifths of the said > tract > > >of land, and premises above mentioned and all and every part and parcel > > >thereof unto the said Christopher Frederick Bunce, his heir and assigns, > > >against them the said John Geiger, Abraham Geiger and Mercy his wife, > Mary > > >Hoofman, Cornelius Geiger and Rebecca his wife, and Felix Geiger and Mary > > >his wife their heirs, Executors and administrators and assigns against > all > > >and every other person or persons whatsoever shall and will forever > warrant > > >and defend by these presents. In witness whereof, the said John Geiger, > > >Abraham Geiger and Mercy his wife, Mary Hoofman, Cornelius Geiger and > > >Rebecca his wife, and Felix Geiger and Mary his wife have hereunto set > > >their > > >hands and seals the day and year first above written. > > > > > > > > s/John Geiger <SS> > > > > s/Abraham Geiger <SS> > > > > s/Mercy Geiger <SS> > > > > s/Mary Hoofman <SS> > > > > s/Cornelius Geiger <SS> > > > > s/Rebecca Geiger <SS> > > > > s/Felix Geiger <SS> > > > > s/Mary Geiger <SS> > > > > > > > > Signed, Sealed and delivered in the presence of > > > > s/Jacob Geiger > > > > s/Philip Geiger > > > > s/Stephen Denmark, JP > > > > Recorded January 28th 1815, Ely Kennedy, Clerk > > > > > > > > Received the day and year first within mentioned of and from the > within > > >named Christopher Frederick Bunce, the Sum of two hundred and fifty > > >dollars, > > >the consideration money within mentioned say received in full by us. > > > > > > > > s/John Geiger > > > > s/Abraham Geiger > > > > s/Mercy Geiger > > > > s/Mary Hoofman > > > > s/Cornelius Geiger > > > > s/Rebecca Geiger > > > > s/Felix Geiger > > > > s/Mary Geiger > > > > > > > > Witness: > > > > s/Jacob Geiger > > > > s/Philip Geiger > > > > s/Stephen Denmark, JP > > > > Recorded January 28th 1815 > > > > Ely Kennedy, C, SC, BC > > > > > > > > [Bulloch County GA 1814-1818 Deed Book AAA, pg 289&290 - > Transcription] > > > > > > > >

Okay, see the problem I have is that "our" Abraham couldn't write, yet whoever transcribed the deed, left the impression that everyone signed and sealed the deed. So if there's THAT mistake, what others are there? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Connell" <rconnell@cfl.rr.com> To: <GEIGER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2004 9:55 AM Subject: [GEIGER] Official copy: Ulrich Kegar Deed to Christopher Bunce (16 Jan 1814) > Beverly, how often have we seen a truly "original" deed? This is my > photocopy of the OFFICIAL COPY in "Deeds & Mortgages, Book AAA, 1814-1819," > on file at Bulloch County Courthouse, Statesboro, GA. That's why all the > signatures are in same handwriting. If you look down at the bottom, you > will see "Recorded January 28th, 1815. Ely Kennedy, CSCBC." It's Ely's > handwriting! > > (The next deed below it (recorded __ 1815) has to do with a marriage > contract between John LINES and Sarah Ann ROBINSON who, along with her > father Jonathan ROBINSON, are later found in the records of Gadsden County, > FL.) > > By the way, on the previous page is a second GEIGER deed I later found they > hadn't copied for me. It's the one filed at same time, stating that the sibs > have sold one-fifth or 60 acres of the original grant to brother John > GEIGER. Signed: Felix GEIGER, Abraham GEIGER, Mary HOFMAN and Cornelius > GEIGER (no wives). Page numbering is off and A. K. Register's "Bulloch Co., > GA, Genealogical Source Material", p. 52, had mis-shown both deeds on same > page. I will post her extract on the Message Board. > > Anne C. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <bzb@houston.rr.com> > To: <GEIGER-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2004 6:47 AM > Subject: Re: [GEIGER] Heirs of Ulrich Kegar Deed to Christopher Bunce (16 > Jan 1814) > > > > Those are not the original deeds. They appear to be early copies. (If > > you'll notice, all of the signatures are made in one handwriting.) We > > really need to look at the originals, IF they still exist. > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Gerald Gieger" <giegerg@hotmail.com> > > To: <GEIGER-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Monday, May 24, 2004 7:05 PM > > Subject: Re: [GEIGER] Heirs of Ulrich Kegar Deed to Christopher Bunce (16 > > Jan 1814) > > > > > > > If you look on the Geiger board, you will see three JPG files attached > > which > > > are the three pages of the original Deed... > > > > > > > > > >From: <bzb@houston.rr.com> > > > >Reply-To: GEIGER-L@rootsweb.com > > > >To: GEIGER-L@rootsweb.com > > > >Subject: Re: [GEIGER] Heirs of Ulrich Kegar Deed to Christopher Bunce > (16 > > > >Jan 1814) > > > >Date: Mon, 24 May 2004 13:17:42 -0500 > > > > > > > >I've always wondered about this deed. Has anyone seen the original? > > Does > > > >the original include "(or Geiger)" or did somebody add those words when > > > >they > > > >abstracted it? > > > > > > > >You can't believe how many times I've found significant differences > > between > > > >the hand-written original records and the published abstracts. > > > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > > >From: <giegerg@hotmail.com> > > > >To: <GEIGER-L@rootsweb.com> > > > >Sent: Sunday, May 23, 2004 11:50 PM > > > >Subject: [GEIGER] Heirs of Ulrich Kegar Deed to Christopher Bunce (16 > Jan > > > >1814) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. > > > > > > > > > > Surnames: GEIGER, Kegar, Hoofman, Bunce > > > > > Classification: Deed > > > > > > > > > > Message Board URL: > > > > > > > > > > http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/JOY.2ACEB/892 > > > > > > > > > > Message Board Post: > > > > > > > > > > State of Georgia } > > > > > This Indenture made the sixteenth day of January in the year of our > > Lord > > > >One thousand eight hundred and fifteen and in the thirty ninth year of > > the > > > >Independence of the United States of America between John Geiger, > Abraham > > > >Geiger and Mary[sic.Mercy] his wife, Mary Hoofman, Cornelius Geiger and > > > >Rebecca his wife, and Felix Geiger and Mary his wife, all of the said > > State > > > >and County of Bulloch of the one part, and Christopher Frederick Bunce > of > > > >the State and County aforesaid, planter of the other part; Witnesseth > > that > > > >the said John Geiger, Abraham Geiger and Mercy his wife, Mary Hoofman, > > > >Cornelius Geiger and Rebecca his wife, and Felix Geiger and Mary his > > wife, > > > >legal heirs of Ulrich Kegar (or Geiger) deceased for and in > consideration > > > >of > > > >the sum of two hundred and fifty dollars to them in hand well and truly > > > >paid > > > >by the said Christopher Frederick Bunce, at or before the sealing and > > > >delivery of these instruments, the receipt whereof is hereby > > acknowledged; > > > >They the said John Geiger! > > > > > , Abraham Geiger and Mercy his wife, Mary Hoofman, Cornelius Geiger > > and > > > >Rebecca his wife, and Felix Geiger and Mary his wife, Have granted, > > > >bargained, sold, aliened, released and confirmed and by these presents > do > > > >grant, bargain, sell, alien, release and confirm unto the said > > Christopher > > > >Frederick Bunce and to his heirs and assigns forever all that parcel of > > > >land > > > >being four fifths of a Tract originally on the second day of June, Anno > > > >Domini, one thousand [seven] hundred and sixty seven granted to Ulrich > > > >Kegar > > > >for three hundred acres the said four fifths of said tract of land > > > >containing agreeable to the Original grant, two hundred and forty acres > > and > > > >by an accurate resurvey thereof made the 2nd day of December 1814, > three > > > >hundred and twenty acres as will more fully appear by reference to the > > > >platt > > > >of said resurvey hereunto annexed, Situate lying and being at the date > of > > > >these presents in the said County on the south side of Great Ogechee > > River > > > >immediately above the flat ford! > > > > > butting and bounding North East by the said river North West to > land > > > > > of Stephen Denmark, South West by land of Denmark and land of John > > > >Geiger > > > >and South East by residue of said tract containing one fifth part > > belonging > > > >to the said John Geiger, Together with all and singular, the houses, > > > >Buildings and improvements, Rents, Issues, Profits, Privileges, > > Commodities > > > >and all the right, Title, Interest, Inheritance, Property, Benefit, > Claim > > > >and demand, whatsoever to the said four fifth's of the said tract of > land > > > >and all appurtenances thereunto belonging or in any wise appertaining: > to > > > >have and to hold the said four fifths of the said tract of land, and > all > > > >and > > > >singular, the premises above mentioned with their and every of their > > > >rights, > > > >Members and appurtenances; together with all and singular, the writings > > > >touching or in any wise Concerning the Same to the only proper use and > > > >benefit and behoof of the said Christopher Frederick Bunce, his heirs > and > > > >assigns forever, and the said John Geiger, Abraham Geiger and Mercy his > > > >wife, Mary Hoofman, Cornelius! > > > > > Geiger and Rebecca his wife, Felix Geiger and Mary his wife, their > > > >Heirs, Executors and administrators, the said four fifths of the said > > tract > > > >of land, and premises above mentioned and all and every part and parcel > > > >thereof unto the said Christopher Frederick Bunce, his heir and > assigns, > > > >against them the said John Geiger, Abraham Geiger and Mercy his wife, > > Mary > > > >Hoofman, Cornelius Geiger and Rebecca his wife, and Felix Geiger and > Mary > > > >his wife their heirs, Executors and administrators and assigns against > > all > > > >and every other person or persons whatsoever shall and will forever > > warrant > > > >and defend by these presents. In witness whereof, the said John Geiger, > > > >Abraham Geiger and Mercy his wife, Mary Hoofman, Cornelius Geiger and > > > >Rebecca his wife, and Felix Geiger and Mary his wife have hereunto set > > > >their > > > >hands and seals the day and year first above written. > > > > > > > > > > s/John Geiger <SS> > > > > > s/Abraham Geiger <SS> > > > > > s/Mercy Geiger <SS> > > > > > s/Mary Hoofman <SS> > > > > > s/Cornelius Geiger <SS> > > > > > s/Rebecca Geiger <SS> > > > > > s/Felix Geiger <SS> > > > > > s/Mary Geiger <SS> > > > > > > > > > > Signed, Sealed and delivered in the presence of > > > > > s/Jacob Geiger > > > > > s/Philip Geiger > > > > > s/Stephen Denmark, JP > > > > > Recorded January 28th 1815, Ely Kennedy, Clerk > > > > > > > > > > Received the day and year first within mentioned of and from the > > within > > > >named Christopher Frederick Bunce, the Sum of two hundred and fifty > > > >dollars, > > > >the consideration money within mentioned say received in full by us. > > > > > > > > > > s/John Geiger > > > > > s/Abraham Geiger > > > > > s/Mercy Geiger > > > > > s/Mary Hoofman > > > > > s/Cornelius Geiger > > > > > s/Rebecca Geiger > > > > > s/Felix Geiger > > > > > s/Mary Geiger > > > > > > > > > > Witness: > > > > > s/Jacob Geiger > > > > > s/Philip Geiger > > > > > s/Stephen Denmark, JP > > > > > Recorded January 28th 1815 > > > > > Ely Kennedy, C, SC, BC > > > > > > > > > > [Bulloch County GA 1814-1818 Deed Book AAA, pg 289&290 - > > Transcription] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== GEIGER Mailing List ==== > Check out our GEIGER homepage at: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~geiger/ > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. 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