This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Geiger, Giger, Good, Lindsey Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/JOY.2ACEB/913 Message Board Post: A while ago I corresponded with someone about David GEIGER who married Mary GOOD. I always felt he belonged in my family, but could not cross the "t" or dot the "i". Now I've found the proof. Although Ancestry does not note his marriage in their online Ohio marriages, Family Tree Maker's Ohio marriage CD does. In Mary (Good) Geiger's obituary it was stated that she born in Fairfield County, Ohio and was married June 19, 1862 in Ohio--but not specifically where. The FTM disk gives the same marriage date with the location as Fairfield County, Ohio. Just to make sure, I located Mary Good in the 1850 and 1860 censuses in Fairfield County, Ohio. David GEIGER used the family spelling of his surname (GIGER) in the 1880 census, but by the 1900 census had changed the spelling to GEIGER. David GEIGER was the son of William GIGER and Sarah Ann LINDSEY. I've put together a fairly decent list of his descendants. Maggie Kyger Miller

Henry Geiger, son of Hans Jacob Geiger (1679-1752) and 1737 immigrant to Saxegotha SC is more-or-less invisible. His older brother Herman (1707-1751) engaged in a large number of legal transactions (basically, Herman got all the good press), left many, many descendants with the Geiger surname--which was the only name that counted in most genealogies produced in the early 20th century. Henry was there too, but with unknown wife, unknown kids, and practically no legal records. The single exception was when he sold the land he'd inherited from his father (the original 350-acre grant to Hans Jacob Geiger) to Henry Hartley in 1762, since Hartley filed a Memorial that he'd purchased it from Harry Geiger. By a curious quirk-of-fate, a descendant of Henry Weber (older brother of THAT Jacob Weber) recently mentioned to me in passing that he'd seen an Implied Marriages reference that the widow of Heinrich Weber had second-married one Harry Geiger by 1751, and would I like to see the hard-copy of that reference? Well...yes, I would! The reference was to SC Deed Book I-I, pp. 204-5. Unfortunately, those pages were no longer legible when Langley transcribed the deed abstracts, but there used to be information that was legible to somebody-or-other. The other deeds that were transcribed-and-abstracted were generally very specific that "Anna X, wife of Hans Y, was widow of Jacob Z". Sounds like a reasonable source, even if I can't read the original document. Anna Urner was born 6 Nov 1718 in Unter-Rifferschweil, Zürich. She married Heinrich Weber, born 6 Oct 1715 in the same parish. They left Switzerland in August 1739, along with Heinrich's younger brother Jacob, born 30 Dec 1725. Older-brother Heinrich got a 150-acre land grant for the three of them, dated 5 Jun 1742. That doesn't mean that they took a very slow ship, since that's the same date on which all the Saxegotha Geiger land-grants were issued, although they'd arrived in Feb 1737. There was just a lot of red tape, and it took the German-speakers a while to learn how to jump through the bureaucratic hoops. Anyway, the Weber family settled in adjacent to some of the Geigers. They all signed a petition in 1740 encouraging the emigration of even more Swiss settlers to Saxegotha SC, which would be distributed around Switzerland and southern Germany by neighbor Jacob Riemensperger (they didn't know then that he was a crook, but they it discovered it not long afterward! s, and expressed themselves in strongly-worded letters to the SC Council). That 1740 Riemensperger brochure--which you can read at www.rootsweb.com/~scogsgs/remsb.htm --was the last time that Heinrich Weber showed up in SC records, other than as an adjacent landowner. Brother Jacob Weber wrote that he had experienced a severe depression following the early death of his brother (Jacob used 18th-c. terms for that), and later had some larger problems (in modern medical terms, "psychotic break" comes to mind). It's best to remember that the common illness of depression is diagnosable and treatable now, but it wasn't then, and that "depressive psychosis" is far more uncommon now than it was then. But poor brother Jacob had a really-big problem that led to a couple of murders and to his being hanged for them in 1761. So what was Anna Urner Weber doing after the death of Heinrich Weber in maybe ~1745, while her young brother-in-law Jacob was going quietly off-the-rails on his rather-distant land-grant? She married neighbor Heinrich/Henry/Harry Geiger. Not just a neighbor, but a "good match", since their properties merged nicely together. For all I know, she probably even liked him, but this was not a prerequisite for a successful marriage in mid-18th-c. frontier SC. They had two (known) surviving children. Daughter Elizabeth did not marry, but resided with her brother. Son William (1754-1829) lived at Chalk Hill on Dry Creek, married Mary Ann Kaigler, widow of Conrad Kersh. Yes, I know that Percy Geiger and others say that her first husband was named Godfrey Kersh (as was their son, born in 1780), but there wasn't an adult Godfrey Kersh there at the time. The Kersh who died in action in 1782 was Conrad, son of Andreas, and the British recorded giving widow-Mary his back-pay. Yes, he was a Loyalist (served in the same company with neighbors Andreas Kaigler and Jacob Geiger). Young Godfrey Kersh (b. 1780) sold property that had been granted to Andreas Kersh, and there's really no way to work in an extra generation involving an otherwise-unattested person named Godfrey. In the early 19th century, people worked at forgetting their Loyalist/Tory ancestors (even though there was nothing wrong with that at the time), to the point of cre! ating whole new genealogies. Just as Americans in ~1917 worked at forgetting their German ancestry, changed their names, etc. In the 21st century, names of mothers have gotten more interesting, and are considered worth researching. Henry Geiger and Anna Urner Weber Geiger left a whole passel of descendants whose surnames are currently Muller, Senn, Baker, Assman, and who-knows-what-else! For that reason, I thought that my List-friends would like to know that there really IS some evidence about who Henry/Harry Geiger married by ~1750. Harriet Imrey himrey@ntelos.net

Frank Clark's website at http://sciway3.net/clark/revolutionarywar/geigeroutline.html has the various Emily Geiger documents in more-or-less chronological order. The Ellett and Lossing versions are the ones with elements of history--after that, the stories grow fairly quickly! The 1852 short story by Timothy Shay Arthur was included in his 1862 collection of morally-improving tales for young people. He also wrote etiquette guides for children and temperance tracts. It was this fictional version that was borrowed by SC historian John A. Chapman (verbatim and without attribution) and included in his high school history texts, also in Annals of Newberry--although Emily did not live there. Lossing depended mostly on the Ellett report, but added two details (Emily lived in Fairfield County and married a Threewits) after interviewing William Cayce in Granby. Cayce's wife, Elizabeth Rea (1797-1875) was the granddaughter of John Conrad Geiger. While Elizabeth Rea Cayce was probably too young to have met Emily Geiger in person, her aunt Elizabeth Geiger Bell (1770-1863) recalled having done so in the early 1780's. Mrs. Bell did not report attending a wedding, or mention the name Threewits, according to depositions from her grandchildren and great-grandchildren. The early dating of the 1789 wedding invitation may be incorrect. It's written on lined notebook paper (first attested in SC at the Medical College in 1823) with a fountain pen (invented in the 1860's). Fancy weddings involved engraved invitations, then as now. The firm of Louis Timothy et Cie. in Charleston did a big business in them. As far as I know, this may be an accurate late-19th-c. transcription of a tattered late-18th-c. document. If so, it definitely identifies the host. There was only one Jacob Geiger alive in 1789 with the rank of Major, and that was the son of John Conrad, son of Herman. ----- Original Message ----- From: "R. A. Connell" <rconnell@cfl.rr.com> To: <GEIGER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, December 07, 2004 1:23 PM Subject: [GEIGER] Emily GEIGER > My husband ran across an article about our Emily GEIGER, that I don't recall seeing before. It comes from an old 2-vol. book called: "The Women of the American Revolution", by Elizabeth F. Ellet, Third Edition. New York: Baker and Scribner. 1849. (yes, that old!). It can be read at http://www.fortklock.com/amwomensmisc.htm . > > The web site is called "Three Rivers .. Hudson~Mohawk~Schoharie .. History From America's Most Famous Valleys." It is absolutely jam-packed with wonderful articles, biographies, books and pictures on an amazing variety of subjects. The home page can be reached by a link at the bottom of the article or at http://www.fortklock.com/index.html. Click on Site Map for the Index. Maybe some of our northern GEIGERS are in there, too. > > Anne C.

My husband ran across an article about our Emily GEIGER, that I don't recall seeing before. It comes from an old 2-vol. book called: "The Women of the American Revolution", by Elizabeth F. Ellet, Third Edition. New York: Baker and Scribner. 1849. (yes, that old!). It can be read at http://www.fortklock.com/amwomensmisc.htm . The web site is called "Three Rivers .. Hudson~Mohawk~Schoharie .. History From America's Most Famous Valleys." It is absolutely jam-packed with wonderful articles, biographies, books and pictures on an amazing variety of subjects. The home page can be reached by a link at the bottom of the article or at http://www.fortklock.com/index.html. Click on Site Map for the Index. Maybe some of our northern GEIGERS are in there, too. Anne C.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/JOY.2ACEB/912 Message Board Post: 1968 Orpaned by Kay Earl & Wilma Geiger in Redford. Grandparents had hotel at Indian Lake. Believe grandfather to be from Edgerton, Indiana.

Does anyone on the list have a current email contact address for Carol Collins who used to be a suscriber to this list. Carol was researching Dietrich/Richard GEIGER of Somerset County, PA, and the address I have for her from 1999 is no longer working. If you have a current address for Carol--please let me know privately. Thanks! Joan

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Geiger, Mills Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/JOY.2ACEB/911.1.1 Message Board Post: Thanks, we have found all the census information. Our Mills were in Michigan in 1900. Grandma was in a different state each census. Didn't stay put. Sorry to be delayed answering. I have just returned from an unexpected trip. An "accidental" surprise finding was a divorce record in Allen Co OH, Lima for George & Mildred 1926.. Married in Chicago 1918. Attempting to follow up on that. Thanks again for your continued interest. Bobbie Jean

That's very interesting, Stephen. He sounds like he might be related to the northern Geigers, rather than the southern ones ... but who can tell? I will copy this to the GEIGER-L list. Maybe Marty Lee or someone else will know him. Anne C. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Blessing" <stephen.blessing@paconsulting.com> To: <rconnell@cfl.rr.com> Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 2004 9:16 PM Subject: additional Geiger family information >I was just reviewing our family tree and googled "Treffelhausen, Germany" > and found the attached web data on information on Geiger > Additional Geiger information > Josef Blessing born on March 13, 1705 in Treffelhausen, Germany and died > on > Saturday February 10th, 1748 in Treffelhausen, Germany at age 42. > Josef married on Sunday August 14th, 1729 in Treffelhausen, Germany with > Maria Geiger. > From this marriage one son was born on September 16, 1730 in > Treffelhausen, > Germany he died on December 29, 1786 in Eijbach at age 58. > Regards, > Stephen Blessing > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ------------------------------------ > GEIGER-L Archives > > From: "rconnell" <rconnell@cfl.rr.com <mailto:rconnell@cfl.rr.com>> > Subject: [GEIGER] Update on GEIGERS of Treffelhausen, Germany > Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 00:08:42 -0500 > References: <F151k2H3b98KtdhQYZk00010282@hotmail.com> > > I contacted Marty LEE and found he was not getting the GEIGER List > messages, > so he did not know about Roland GEIGER helping him to find his > ancestors in > Germany! He immediately joined the List and is up to date on the > messages. > > Welcome to the group, Marty - and I hope you and Roland will let us > know how > the search goes! > > Anne Connell > > > This thread: > * Re: [GEIGER] FL GEIGER OBITUARIES > </th/read/GEIGER/2001-03/0985925526> by "Gerald Gieger" > <giegerg@hotmail.com > <mailto:giegerg@hotmail.com>> > * > [GEIGER] Update on GEIGERS of Treffelhausen, Germany > </th/read/GEIGER/2001-03/0985928922> by "rconnell" <rconnell@cfl.rr.com > <mailto:rconnell@cfl.rr.com>> > * RE: [GEIGER] Update on GEIGERS of Treffelhausen, Germany > </th/read/GEIGER/2001-03/0985956267> by "Martin Lee" <melmel3@home.com > <mailto:melmel3@home.com>> > * Re: [GEIGER] FL GEIGER OBITUARIES > </th/read/GEIGER/2001-03/0985919395> by Marge <msteve@chisp.net > <mailto:msteve@chisp.net>> > * Re: [GEIGER] FL GEIGER OBITUARIES > </th/read/GEIGER/2001-03/0985926665> by "rconnell" <rconnell@cfl.rr.com > <mailto:rconnell@cfl.rr.com>> > * Re: [GEIGER] FL GEIGER OBITUARIES > </th/read/GEIGER/2001-03/0985968044> by Marge <msteve@chisp.net > <mailto:msteve@chisp.net>> > >

It's pretty complex figuring out if a particular passenger was on a first-time or return trip. The laws re citizenship, denizenship (resident alien status) and naturalization differed across provinces and across time periods. Parliament attempted to standardize the rules in 1740. The provinces responded by enforcing the new laws in different ways--if at all. An alien couldn't purchase/own property, while a non-naturalized denizen could not leave his property to his heirs. The latter clause was generally ignored by all of the provinces. The law also said that a naturalized citizen could vote, but could not hold public office. However, when one was elected in the colonies, they seated him anyway. In some provinces and time-periods, the Oath of Allegiance WAS the naturalization process. There's a very nice review of the changing regulations at http://dinsdoc.com/carpenter-2.htm. Throughout the period during which people named Jacob Geiger were arriving in PA, SC, VA (and probably elsewhere), naturalization and/or an Oath of Allegiance was--in theory--a one-time thing. The immigration records in PA have a big advantage over those in most provinces, because they are both more complete and available in more varieties. The Ship Captain's lists (e.g., in Strassburger & Hinke) cover every adult male passenger. The Oaths of Allegiance, compiled separately, list the first-arrivals who wished the right of denizenship--sometimes retroactively converted to naturalized citizenship. The naturalization records are a third independent source, although not as comprehensive. The southern provinces preserved very few ship-lists, and only occasionally kept copies of the Oaths of Allegiance. The multiple sources for PA records offer much more opportunity for research (especially about which people were making several trips back to Europe), which is probably why so much more immigrant research has been done there. ----- Original Message ----- From: <JYoung6180@aol.com> To: <GEIGER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2004 4:29 PM Subject: Re: [GEIGER] More Geigers of Ittlingen > In a message dated 11/10/2004 4:12:56 PM Eastern Standard Time, > himrey@ntelos.net writes: > Roeber mentioned that Jacob Geiger (mainly the Jr. one) made several trips, but didn't say how many or when. I suppose that the PA records indicate which of the various arrivals by a Jacob Geiger did--or did not--involve an oath of allegiance. The absence of an oath would show that it's a second or subsequent trip by a previous resident. Jacob Jr. may or may not have been considered a resident of PA, but he was in residence in Ittlingen most of the time after 1750, stayed in the home of Nicholas Weber on visits to PA. Harriet- The PA arrivals ALL involved oaths (the 5 between 1738 and 1743) and we wouldn't see Jacob's name listed at all if he didn't have to take the oath. As a non-British/American citizen he would have had to take the oath each time--I don't think I have any record of his being naturalized (I'll have to double check on that) but as long as he wasn't a citizen he'd have to sign the oaths. Joan

In a message dated 11/10/2004 4:12:56 PM Eastern Standard Time, himrey@ntelos.net writes: Roeber mentioned that Jacob Geiger (mainly the Jr. one) made several trips, but didn't say how many or when. I suppose that the PA records indicate which of the various arrivals by a Jacob Geiger did--or did not--involve an oath of allegiance. The absence of an oath would show that it's a second or subsequent trip by a previous resident. Jacob Jr. may or may not have been considered a resident of PA, but he was in residence in Ittlingen most of the time after 1750, stayed in the home of Nicholas Weber on visits to PA. I can pretty much separate out the legal records for the SEVEN(!) distinct Jacob Geigers who were adults in SC from 1737-92. I have to leave all those PA Jacobs up to you. Harriet- The PA arrivals ALL involved oaths (the 5 between 1738 and 1743) and we wouldn't see Jacob's name listed at all if he didn't have to take the oath. As a non-British/American citizen he would have had to take the oath each time--I don't think I have any record of his being naturalized (I'll have to double check on that) but as long as he wasn't a citizen he'd have to sign the oaths. Joan

Roeber mentioned that Jacob Geiger (mainly the Jr. one) made several trips, but didn't say how many or when. I suppose that the PA records indicate which of the various arrivals by a Jacob Geiger did--or did not--involve an oath of allegiance. The absence of an oath would show that it's a second or subsequent trip by a previous resident. Jacob Jr. may or may not have been considered a resident of PA, but he was in residence in Ittlingen most of the time after 1750, stayed in the home of Nicholas Weber on visits to PA. I can pretty much separate out the legal records for the SEVEN(!) distinct Jacob Geigers who were adults in SC from 1737-92. I have to leave all those PA Jacobs up to you. ----- Original Message ----- From: <JYoung6180@aol.com> To: <GEIGER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2004 3:51 PM Subject: Re: [GEIGER] More Geigers of Ittlingen > > In a message dated 11/10/2004 1:46:29 PM Eastern Standard Time, > himrey@ntelos.net writes: > > He and his father Jacob went to PA in 1743, but kept in touch because they transacted legal business dealing with the German inheritances of PA residents. > Harriet- It is now believed that Jacob (Sr.) born 16 July 1694 also made more than one trip between Germany and Philadelphia. We know he was still in Germany in 1732 when the youngest child of his first marriage was baptized there, and we know he married for the second time in PA in 1743. However, we also know he was in PA in 1735 when his signature appears along with brother Valentine's on a petition setting the boundaries of New Hanover Township. We used to marvel at unraveling the mysteries of who the various FIVE Jacob GEIGERs were on the Philadelphia ship lists between 1738 and 1743 and now we know this Jacob (and son) might have accounted for several or ALL of the Jacob GEIGERs on the lists. > > Joan

In a message dated 11/10/2004 1:46:29 PM Eastern Standard Time, himrey@ntelos.net writes: He and his father Jacob went to PA in 1743, but kept in touch because they transacted legal business dealing with the German inheritances of PA residents. Harriet- It is now believed that Jacob (Sr.) born 16 July 1694 also made more than one trip between Germany and Philadelphia. We know he was still in Germany in 1732 when the youngest child of his first marriage was baptized there, and we know he married for the second time in PA in 1743. However, we also know he was in PA in 1735 when his signature appears along with brother Valentine's on a petition setting the boundaries of New Hanover Township. We used to marvel at unraveling the mysteries of who the various FIVE Jacob GEIGERs were on the Philadelphia ship lists between 1738 and 1743 and now we know this Jacob (and son) might have accounted for several or ALL of the Jacob GEIGERs on the lists. Joan

The Geigers of Ittlingen (Baden, Germany) arrived in the US in several different batches across the 18th century, were still going back and forth in the 19th. Their Carolina connections are less well-documented than the PA connections, but historian A.G. Roeber adds some information in Palatines, Liberty and Property: German Lutherans in Colonial British America. In 1722, a Jacob Geiger was born in Ittlingen (so a different person from the Jacobs born around then in PA). He and his father Jacob went to PA in 1743, but kept in touch because they transacted legal business dealing with the German inheritances of PA residents. In 1749, Jacob (b. 1722) and his brother Valentine returned to Ittlingen. In 1750, Jacob married Maria Margarete Schuchmann, daughter of the local Schultheiss. The term doesn't translate exactly, but it's a combination of magistrate and political boss--at any rate, a good connection for him. His colonial investments and legal business prospered, and he later became Schultheiss himself. In 1769, a relative named Jacob Geiger (what else?) died in St. George's Parish in the Low Country of South Carolina, leaving a very extensive estate to his nieces and nephews in Beihingen. Jacob Geiger of Ittlingen purchased the estate from the heirs in 1771. After the war ended, he sent his son Henry to Charleston to manage the SC properties, as well as a mill and other holdings in Germantown PA. Henry became an influential merchant in Charleston, and was a member of the Vestry of St. John's Lutheran Evangelical Church. In 1790, he was listed on the census with one other male aged 16+ and two females. He is believed--but not documented--to have had a son named John Henry in ~1796. (John Henry died in 1836 while returning from a business trip to Germany, per family recollections.) Father Jacob was alive and well in Ittlingen as of 1789, and mailing instructions to son Henry in Charleston about how "Americans don't have the best reputation in this country...If someone...wants to realize an inheritance here, he is considered to be a thief." On 26 Jun 1806, Valentine Geiger, a 45-year-old merchant from Ittlingen, was naturalized in Charleston. He was presumably a brother of Henry (and son of Jacob), given his age, but the book does not state that. None of the Geigers from Ittlingen (or Beihingen) appears to have crossed paths with the Swiss-origin Geigers of Lexington Co SC. They have no legal documents in common at any time. There may still be some common ancestors in Switzerland in the early 17th century, who are yet to be determined. Harriet Imrey himrey@ntelos.net

In a message dated 11/9/2004 7:12:51 PM Eastern Standard Time, Pablo228@comcast.net writes: Joan, I too have Johan Jacob Geiger & Anna Elizabeth with a daughter Anna Elizabeth born 1726. Do you have anymore information on the Jacob ARNDT & Anna Geiger family? Thanks, I don't know anything about the ARNDTs but Johan Jacob GEIGER is the brother of Valentine and Johan Georg GEIGER of Ittlingen, Germany. Valentine and Johan Georg both married daughters of Rev. Anthony Jacob HENCKEL. They arrived in American in 1717 on the "three little ships" mentioned in the introduction of the book Pennsylvania German Pioneers. Jacob obviously arrived sometime later as his children with his first wife were all born in Germany. Joan

Joan, I too have Johan Jacob Geiger & Anna Elizabeth with a daughter Anna Elizabeth born 1726. Do you have anymore information on the Jacob ARNDT & Anna Geiger family? Thanks, -----Original Message----- From: JYoung6180@aol.com [mailto:JYoung6180@aol.com] Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 2004 12:45 PM To: GEIGER-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [GEIGER] August Geiger In a message dated 11/9/2004 2:24:32 PM Eastern Standard Time, LOGANHOLMES@aol.com writes: 1920 census: (note surname spelling) Gieger, August; Sacramento, Sacramento, CA; 1859; Germany So these GEIGERs were somewhat recent immigrants, BUT ... there could also be a GEIGER connection to the ARNDT surname. I'm wondering if the ARNDT line has been researched here. I have in my files, Anna Elizabeth GEIGER, born 14 Sept. 1726 who married Jacob ARNDT, Esq. of Northampton County, PA. Anna Elizabeth GEIGER was the daughter of Johan Jacob GEIGER and wife Anna E lizabeth (maiden name unknown) of Ittlingen, Germany. Joan ==== GEIGER Mailing List ==== Messages posted to the RootsWeb/Ancestry GEIGER Message Board are gatewayed to this Mailing List. Remember that the author of gatewayed messages may not be a GEIGER list subscriber so please reply to gatewayed messages by clicking on the link and replying on the board and/or include the author in your e-mail reply. ============================== Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/JOY.2ACEB/911.1 Message Board Post: This investigation seems to be resistant to any efforts toward progress, but I still may have a little news for you. Considering that George Geiger was still working in the 1940s, there should be some possibility that he is listed in the Social Security Death Index. There are not many George Geigers, born in the 1880s give or take a little and died in the 1960s. However it's difficult to see any that seem to match, but you might take a look. I did find a 1910 Census listing for Mildred Mills and I'll put up copies if you want. Unfortunately, like so much else, it is not as helpful as it could be. 1910 Census 3rd Ward Findlay, Hancock Co., OH Emma Mills, age 11; Mildrid Mills, age 12; Bessie Mills, age 6; and Earl Mills, age 4. All are listed as 'inmates' in an orphan's home, born in US, both parents US. (But who was the source of this information?) Combined with the fact that Robert was born in Hancock Co., this suggests a good probability that George & Mildred were married in Hancock Co. and that you could get a copy of their marriage license there. However, even if parental information is required on the marriage license, which I can't say either way, I would be more surprised by a treat than by another trick. On the other hand, it looks a lot like this is a possible source of information that you cannot afford to pass by. If you keep on swinging, you're bound to hit one eventually. In the 1900 Census for Hancock Co., there are three MILLS, one MILLES and one MILES, none of which match info for Mildred & Emma. Regards, Richard

In a message dated 11/9/2004 2:24:32 PM Eastern Standard Time, LOGANHOLMES@aol.com writes: 1920 census: (note surname spelling) Gieger, August; Sacramento, Sacramento, CA; 1859; Germany So these GEIGERs were somewhat recent immigrants, BUT ... there could also be a GEIGER connection to the ARNDT surname. I'm wondering if the ARNDT line has been researched here. I have in my files, Anna Elizabeth GEIGER, born 14 Sept. 1726 who married Jacob ARNDT, Esq. of Northampton County, PA. Anna Elizabeth GEIGER was the daughter of Johan Jacob GEIGER and wife Anna E lizabeth (maiden name unknown) of Ittlingen, Germany. Joan

I have access to the California death index from 1905 thru 2000. August Geiger died October 12, 1926 in Sacramento County, California. He was 67 years old. (Born about 1859) ****** 1920 census: (note surname spelling) Gieger, August; Sacramento, Sacramento, CA; 1859; Germany His parents were also born in Germany. He was naturalized on an unknown date. Aline was born in IL, both her parents were born in Switzerland. The children were all born in California. Although Louise was reported to be 14 years old and born in California, she is not listed in the California birth records which began in 1905. Maggie

In a message dated 11/9/2004 12:30:59 PM Eastern Standard Time, mslaguna@frontiernet.net writes: August married Alena DeBrunner (Alena (Aline) born 1871 in Highland, Madison County, Ill Death July 1952, Sacramento Ca) ------- Oh, I see, SHE died in 1952. August must have died prior to 1940 when these online records begin. GEIGER ALINE 04/19/1871 DEBRUNER F ILLINOIS SACRAMENTO 07/27/1952 81 yrs There is only one Rudoph GEIGER in the CA Death records: GEIGER RUDOLPH XAVIER 02/14/1908 STEWART M CALIFORNIA SAN DIEGO(37) 05/26/1996 550-05-6909 88 yrs Joan

In a message dated 11/9/2004 12:30:59 PM Eastern Standard Time, mslaguna@frontiernet.net writes: Looking for family information on: August Geiger August married Alena DeBrunner (Alena (Aline) born 1871 in Highland, Madison County, Ill Death July 1952, Sacramento Ca) He was a brew master at the Buffalo Brewery in Sacramento, CA They had 3 children: Lena Geiger Peterson 12/1902 - Louise Geiger Arndt 09/ 1906 - August Geiger 1899 - 1985 He had a brother name unknown There was a nephew named Rudolph "Rudy" Geiger who lived in Los Angeles area. Rudy had two sons. One moved to Germany, name unknown Pauline Arndt Pauline- I find the son August but not the father in the CA death records online at RootsWeb--there were 3 August GEIGERs in those records: GEIGER AUGUST ALBERT 12/23/1899 DEBRUNNER M CALIFORNIA SACRAMENTO 12/02/1985 553-09-0607 85 yrs GEIGER AUGUST C 07/31/1901 M ILLINOIS LOS ANGELES(19) 01/21/1976 349-18-8617 74 yrs GEIGER AUGUST L 03/27/1891 WILSON M CALIFORNIA BUTTE 01/13/1960 556-05-7964 68 yrs Since the records begin in 1940 he should be in there but isn't. You might try sending away for a death certificate and see what happens. Joan