I have been monitoring the digest version of your Geiger mailing list for only a short time. I am submitting information for a Johann Geiger (Johann Georg or John Geiger)born circa 1821 in Wuerttemberg, immigrated to NYC circa 1844, moved to Baltimore circa 1852. First wife was Wilhelmina [-?-] who bore two children in New York and then presumbaly died. In Baltimore he married Katherine Regina Gunther and had six known additional offspring. I have been unsuccessful in locating his place of birth in Germany despite extensive investigation in the USA. There were other Geigers in NYC in the 1840/50 period some of whom were shoemakers (as was the progenitor here). I have no idea why he settled in Baltimore where he apparently had no biologic Geiger connections. Below is a summary descendancy chart of known data on Johann Georg GEIGER and children/grandchildren. I would be delighted to hear from anyone who may have even a remote connection. Direct Descendancy Chart of Johann Georg Geiger I. John George1 GEIGER, b. circa 1821 Wuerttemberg, Germany, d. before 15 Aug 1872 Baltimore City, Maryland First marriage of Johann Georg Geiger: +Wilhelmina1 ???, m. before 1848, d. after 10 Mar 1851 New York City, New York i.---- Emma2 GEIGER, b. 27 Nov 1848 New York City, New York, d. 20 Nov 1913 Baltimore City, Maryland, bur. Baltimore City, Maryland Š +Charles G.2 VOLLMER, b. Feb 1846 Wuerttemberg, m. 29 Jun 1868 Baltimore City, Maryland, d. 1905 Baltimore City, Maryland Š a.---- Maria3 VOLLMER, b. 22 Jun 1868 Baltimore City, Maryland Š b.---- Katherina3 VOLLMER, b. 13 Aug 1870 Baltimore City, Maryland Š c.---- William3 VOLLMER, b. 27 Sep 1874 Baltimore City, Maryland, d. 03 Jan 1905 Baltimore City, Maryland, bur. 05 Jan 1905 Baltimore City, Maryland Š d.---- Charles3 VOLLMER, b. 25 Jul 1877 Baltimore City, Maryland, d. 25 Jul 1946 Baltimore City, Maryland Š e.---- Emma S.3 VOLLMER, b. 1881 Baltimore City, Maryland Š f.----- Anna3 VOLLMER, b. 19 Apr 1885 Baltimore City, Maryland ii.----- John Henry2 GEIGER, b. 10 Mar 1851 New York City, New York, d. 20 Aug 1892 Baltimore City, Maryland, bur. 22 Aug 1892 Baltimore City, Maryland +Marie2 KORNMANN, b. 27 Nov 1854 Baltimore City, Maryland, m. circa 1876 Baltimore City, Maryland, d. 23 Mar 1901 Baltimore City, Maryland, bur. 25 Mar 1901 Baltimore City, Maryland a.---- Anna Elisabeth3 GEIGER, b. 22 Jan 1877 Baltimore City, Maryland, d. 28 Mar 1878 Baltimore City, Maryland b.---- John Henry3 GEIGER, b. 07 Jun 1878 Baltimore City, Maryland, d. 12 Aug 1909 Landsdowne, Maryland, bur. Aug 1909 c.---- George3 GEIGER, b. 24 Mar 1880 Baltimore City, Maryland, d. 08 Aug 1881 Baltimore City, Maryland d.---- Katherine Regina3 GEIGER, b. 04 Jun 1881 Baltimore City, Maryland, d. 10 Aug 1938 Baltimore City, Maryland, bur. Baltimore City, Maryland e.---- Caroline E.3 GEIGER, b. 30 Sep 1882 Baltimore City, Maryland, d. 02 Jan 1928, bur. Westminster, Maryland f.---- William3 GEIGER, b. 10 Aug 1884 Baltimore City, Maryland, d. 14 Oct 1884 Baltimore City, Maryland, bur. Baltimore City, Maryland g.---- Emma3 GEIGER, b. 18 Oct 1885 Baltimore City, Maryland, d. 16 May 1886 Baltimore City, Maryland h.---- Charles3 GEIGER, b. circa Mar 1887 Baltimore City, Maryland, d. 07 May 1887 Baltimore City, Maryland, bur. Baltimore City, Maryland Second marriage of Johann Georg Geiger: +Katherine Regina1 GUNTHER, b. circa 1826 Germany, d. 09 Jan 1894 Baltimore City, Maryland, bur. 12 Jan 1894 Baltimore City, Maryland i.---- Wilhelmina2 GEIGER, b. 02 Nov 1856 Baltimore City, Maryland ii. ---- Mollie2 GEIGER, b. 12 Sep 1859 Baltimore City, Maryland, d. 04 Dec 1932 Baltimore City, Maryland, bur. Baltimore City, Maryland Š +Edward2 HEREENE, b. 17 Mar 1851 New Brunswick, Nova Scotia, d. 21 Feb 1921 Baltimore City, Maryland, bur. 23 Feb 1921 Baltimore City, Maryland iii. ---- Louise2 GEIGER, b. 17 Feb 1862 Baltimore City, Maryland, d. 05 Nov 1911 Baltimore City, Maryland Š a.---- Margaret3 GEIGER, b. 20 Aug 1881 Baltimore City, Maryland Š b.---- Frank3 GEIGER, b. 01 Sep 1883 Baltimore City, Maryland, d. 15 Apr 1936 Baltimore City, Maryland, bur. Baltimore City, Maryland Š c.---- Mary3 GEIGER, b. 04 Jan 1886 Baltimore City, Maryland, d. 17 Aug 1909 Baltimore City, Maryland Š d.---- John3 GEIGER, b. Oct 1887 Baltimore City, Maryland, d. 30 Jun 1902 Baltimore City, Maryland Š e.---- Louis3 GEIGER, b. 22 Jan 1891 Baltimore City, Maryland, d. 31 Mar 1950 Baltimore City, Maryland, bur. 03 Apr 1950 Baltimore City, Maryland iv.---- Conrad2 GEIGER, b. 1863 Maryland v. ---- Charles2 GEIGER, b. 1865 Maryland vi. ---- Bertha2 GEIGER, b. 1867 Maryland THANK YOU. Printed on: 09 Jul 1998 Prepared by: Gary B. Ruppert, MD Baltimore, Maryland 21230 USA GBRuppert@pol.net

Gary, it sounds as though you may have already done the things I would suggest for you to locate John George Geiger's village of origin in Wuerttemberg--I assume you looked for immigration and naturalization records both in New York and in Baltimore? NYC would be a common port city for John George to have arrived in in the 1840s. Unlike the earlier arriving Germanic settlers who tended to be more "rural" in the areas they settled in those who arrived in the 1840s were much more prone to have settled in cities. My guess would be that economics would have been the reason for his move to Baltimore rather than existing family ties in the area--but it never hurts to consider the possibility of connections to the area. Allied families were extremely important. The family ties if they did exist in Baltimore might NOT have been Geigers. It is generally meaningless and futile to attempt to search Wuerttemberg records without knowing where to look from something you find in this country. Since John George died prior to 1875 this is too early to appear on the Baltimore City death index. The best chance you have would be to find some immigration or naturalization record. Also, how about church records in America? What religion was John George? The religion can often point you in the right direction as to where to look in Wuerttemberg also. Parish registers in America sometimes tell you the village of origin in Germany. Most of the colonial immigrants were Lutheran, Reformed, or some other Protestant denomination; while many of the later-arriving immigrants were Catholic. They also came from different areas of Germany than the colonial settlers. Joan

Since Amy mentioned the Berwangen Geigers a while back, I am going to post my research on this family as it now stands. This has not yet been printed in our newsletter but I plan to cover this familiy later--and this is the current state of the report I plan to print. If anyone has anything to add or correct, please let me know. Joan The Geigers of Berwangen, Northern Kraichgau, Germany Paul Geiger of Geigertown, Robeson Township, Berks County, Pennsylvania Paul Geiger, for whom Geigertown in Robeson Township, Berks County, Pennsylvania was named, was the son of Paul Geiger (1698-1754) and his wife Elizabeth H�beling (daughter of Paul H�beling) of Berwangen, Northern Kraichgau, Germany. The complete list of children of this marriage are as follows: 1. Elizabeth Geiger, born 1720. 2. Margaret Geiger, born 1722 (died young). 3. Johann Paul Geiger, born 15 November 1723 (to Pennsylvania in 1749 on the �Fane�). See entry below. 4. Maria Margaret Geiger, born 1726. 5. Johannes Geiger, born 11 September 1727 (to Pennsylvania 1751 on the �Billander Elizabeth�). See entry below. 6. Johann Peter Geiger, born 1729. 7. Susanna Geiger, born 1731 (died young). 8. Conrad Geiger, born 1733. 9. Eva Geiger, born 1736. 10. Susanna Geiger, born 1738. Johann Paul Geiger (above), married in 1749 to Maria Eva Kiestler, and came to this country with her that same year. The family history of this Geiger family was compiled by Annie Elizabeth Rettew Hunter, of Reading, PA, whose grandfather, Isaac Geiger, was a grandson of Paul Geiger, the immigrant. Berks County Historical Society has a copy of the book �John Paul Geiger and his Descendants.� Paul Geiger Died 4 August 1798 (Schwartzwald Reformed Church). The children of Paul Geiger and his wife Maria Eva are as follows: 1. Paul Geiger, born 25 May 1751 (died young). He can be found in the New Hanover Lutheran Church records. 2. Maria Elizabeth Geiger, born 7 August 1753, died 28 July 1823, who married 5 May 1777 John Binder/Penter. 3. Anna Catharine Geiger, born 13 July 1756, and baptized at New Hanover Lutheran Church, died 1 September 1797, married 1778 Peter Wamsher. 4. Schoena �Jane� Elizabeth Geiger, born 5 September 1758, died 15 October 1834 married John Ammon. 5. Jacob Geiger, born 31 March 1761, died 30 September 1826, married first 12 September 1786 Christianna Kerst/Gerst/Derst and second Mary (maiden name unknown). He was the administrator of his father�s will proved 20 August 1798. 6. Maria Margaret Geiger, born 20 September 1763, died 20 November 1832, married Michael Croll (Grauel). 7. & 8. son and daughter who both died young 9. Paul Geiger, born 29 December 1768, died 24 October 1823 Maria Eva Geiger�s will written 23 June 1800 and proved 18 May 1801 names Paul, Jacob, and �the 4 girls. Following the male Geiger lines into the next generation the lineage is as follows: Paul Geiger, son of Paul, the immigrant, married 1 January 1791 Sarah Sens/Sands at Schwartzwald Reformed Church, Reading, Pennsylvania, daughter of John Sands and his wife Hannah Trump. The children of this marriage are: 1. Hannah Geiger, born 13 January 1792, died 7 November 1793--Trinity Lutheran Church, Reading. 2. Paul Geiger, born 27 August 1793, died 8 August 1863, married Hannah Sands, who died 19 February 1847. 3. Michael Geiger, born 7 March 1795 (baptized at Schwartzwald Reformed Church), died 8 December 1852, married first Elizabeth Sheeler and second a Miss Ammon. 4. Johannes Geiger, born 15 January 1797 (baptized at Schwartzwald Reformed Church), died 4 August 186? (copy not legible), married Hannah Hoffman. 5. Jacob Geiger, born 1 August 1799, died 24 February 1876 in Union Township, married 25 December 1821 Susanna Sheeler. 6. Peter Geiger, born 2 June 1801, died 11 February 1884, married 11 February 1826 Ann Hoffman. 7. James Geiger, born 26 October 1803, died 31 July 1884, married Mary Ammon (who married first John Marquard). 8. Patsy Elizabeth Geiger, born 25 July 1805, died 3 March 1862, married first William Sheeler, and second Samuel Polsgrove. 9. Elijah Geiger, born 4 November 1807, died 5 March 1881, married first Sarah Sheeler, and second Christine Zerr. 10. Sarah Geiger, born 4 September 1809, died 24 September 1880, married John Care. 11. Isaac Geiger, born 3 December 1811, died 20 March 1883, married 13 December 1832 Sarah Care. 12. Joseph Geiger, born 9 November 1816, died 7 February 1886, married first Susanna Zerr, and second Mary Zerr. Jacob Geiger, son of Paul Geiger, the immigrant, married first 29 April 1777 Christina Kerst/Gerst/Derst of Robeson Township, Berks County, Pennsylvania, and second Mary (maiden name unknown). All children are from the first marriage and are listed below: 1. Johann Georg Geiger, born 19 October 1787 (baptized Schwartzwald Reformed Church), died 1 May 1847, married 4 June 1811 Catharine Frey. 2. Mary Geiger, born 24 March 1789, died April 25 1852, married George Zerr. 3. John Geiger,* born 14 March 1791, died before 1826 in Danville, NY, married Mary (maiden name unknown). 4. Paul Geiger,* born 19 April 1793, died 26 July 1864, married first 1 February 1819 Nancy/Ann Umstead, and second Elizabeth Wamsher. 5. Catharine Geiger, born about 1795, married William Kerlin. *Shown as Gayer in the baptismal records of New Hanover Lutheran Church. Johannes Geiger, �son of Paul of Germany� (and younger brother to Paul above), married Anna/Johanna Cuntzin, widow, at Trinity Lutheran Church, Lancaster County, Pennsylvania, 5 July 1752 (Pastor Wagener). Trinity Lutheran Church, Lancaster, records, page 381, show John Geiger, servant, took communion 15 October 1751 with Pastor Wagener. It should be noted that, although this list is not alphabetical, John is listed with Wilhelm and Eva Barbara Geiger of the Christian Geiger family (discussed in Vol. 1, issue 4, and Vol. 2, issue 1, of this newsletter) also of Lancaster County. Children of this marriage (all baptized at Trinity Lutheran Church, Lancaster) are: 1. Johannes Geiger, born 2 December 1753. 2. Eva Magdalena Geiger, born 5 August 1756, married John Buck/Buch. 3. Anna Maria Geiger, twin, born 31 August 1759, married Robert Sands. 4. Elizabeth Geiger, twin, born 31 August 1759, unmarried as of 10 July 1787. She may well be the Elizabeth Geyer who married John Gerlach at St. James Episcopal Church on 1 June 1788. 5. Georg Geiger, born 26 October 1762, married Elizabeth Pullinger at St. James Episcopal Church, City of Lancaster on 19 June 1787. The will of Johannes Geiger, written on 10 July 1787, listed all of the children. Executors are John Wein and George Geiger. Johannes lived at the time of the writing of his will in the Borough of Lancaster in Mussertown. The will of his son Georg was written 1 September 1817, and proved 26 January 1827. The will lists only Johannes' wife Elizabeth. In addition to Paul and Johannes other Geigers emigrated to Pennsylvania from Berwangen and most likely are a part of the same Geiger family. They are: Johann Jacob Geiger, Jr., son of Johann Jacob Geiger, Sr., who was the eldest son of Johann Conradt Geiger. He has been proven to be the first cousin of Paul and Johannes above (Paul, father of Johann Paul and Johannes above, was the third son of Johann Conradt Geiger). Johann Jacob Geiger, Jr., was born 24 March 1720 in Berwangen and emigrated to America between 1738 and 1743. This Jacob is almost certainly the Jacob Geiger who appears in the records of Trinity Lutheran Church, Lancaster, along with his wife Catharina. The couple had the following children all baptized at Trinity Lutheran: 1. Johann Georg Geiger, born 10 April 1748. The sponsors at his baptism were George and Catharina Endter. 2. Jacob Geiger, born 27 November 1751. Georg Geiger (see entry below) and Mary Marg. Schlauchin "for whom her mother stood" were the sponsors at this baptism. 3. Andreas Geiger born 7 December 1753. The sponsors at his baptism were Andreas Mely and Maria Elisabet, his wife. Johann Paul Geiger, born 1 January 1714, and his sister Anna Geiger born 8 October 1715, in Berwangen both emigrated to America. They were the children of Georg Conrad Geiger, Jr., son of George Conrad Geiger, Sr. It is known that Johann Paul was in Pennsylvania by 1737 arriving on the �Samuel.� Whether Anna accompanied him at that time is not known for certain. Johann Paul Geiger married Barbara D�schlerin. The couple had the following children, all baptized at St. Michael�s and Zion Church in Philadelphia. 1. Anna Meyer Geiger, baptized 23 March 1746. 2. Henrich Geiger, born 6 June 1748. 3. Christina Sophia Geiger, born 21 June 1749. 4. Georg David Geiger, born 11 August 1750. Buried 8 October 1764 Anna Barbara Stern/Sterner who married first Johann Paul Geiger, and second Georg Stern/Sterner (the second marriage was performed at Germantown Reformed Church on 16 February 1764). George Geiger, born 27 November 1728 in Berwangen, son of Johann Paul Geiger and wife Eva Maria emigrated to America in 1749 on the �Fane� along with Paul Geiger of Geigertown, Berks County, discussed above. According to �Heritage of Rowan County, North Carolina� George lived until early in 1793 in Warwick Township, Lancaster County, Pennsylvania, and at that time removed to Rowan County. It has since been disproved that the George who migrated to North Carolina is this George Geiger. It is likely that George Geiger remained in Lancaster County. George married Catharina Elizabetha and the couple had the following children whose baptisms are recorded at Trinity Lutheran Church, Lancaster, Pennsylvania. Trinity Lutheran records, page 34, indicate that Georg Geiger is the �recently arrived servant of Jacob Dannbach.� That entry was recorded in 1750. 1. Maria Elizabetha Geiger, born 25 November 1753, and married Captain Martin Weybright III at St. James Episcopal Church, Lancaster, on 16 April 1786. Of interest is the fact that Martin Weybright III's parents were Martin Weybright II and his second wife Elizabeth (nee M�ller) Geyer. Elizabeth M�ller's first husband John Henry Geyer is listed in the records of the First Reformed Church, Lancaster, as John Henry Geiger. This incorrect spelling of his name on the baptismal record of his son George Henry Geyer in 1742 resulted in much confusion for Geiger researchers who mistakenly believed him to be their ancestor. 2. Mary Margaret Geiger for whom no baptismal record has been found. However, there is a death record showing that she died at one year of age on 20 September 1757 3. Johan Nicolaus Geiger, born 2 July 1758. 4. Anna Catharina Geiger, born 21 December 1760. 5. Anna Christina Geiger, born 21 April 1763.

LDS - Utah "Misc. Bible R4ecords" pg. 89 The GEIGER family The following is copied from old Bibles found by Mr. Gene Joyhns, Urbana, Ohio, while remodeling a house he purchased in Urbana. The owners of these Bibles are unknown. Their contents copied by Mrs. Carl Pooler. It's front pages missing. Father: Jacob C. Geiger b. in Carrol Co., Ohio Feb. 13, 1829. Married to Hannah Dettweiler - April 13, 1852 in Seneca Co., Ohio. Mother: Hannah Dettweiler Geiger born in Mahoning Co., Ohio on April 10, 1831 Births: George Ellsworth Geiger b. in Seneca Co., Ohio June 7, 1861 Frank Agugustis Geiger born in Seneca Co., Ohio May 22, 1864 Jennie Elizabeth Geiger b. in Kenton, Hardin Co., Ohio Jan. 15, 1867 Ulysses Grant Geiger b. in Kenton, Hardin Co., Oh. Oct. 29, 1868 William Henry Geiger b. in Kenton, Hardin Co., Oh. March 10, 1872 Alice Idell Geiger b. in Kenton, Hardin Co., Oh. Aug. 11, 1874 pg. 90 Deaths: Jacob C. Geiger d. January 31, 1879, aged 49 yr. 11 m. 22 da. Hannah Geiger d. July 1, 1903, aged 72 yr. 2 mo. 21 da. Father, Jacob Detwiler was b. Feb. 7, 1794 in the State of Pa. and he d. Sept. 7, 1850, aged 56 yr. 7 mo. 2 da. Mother, Elizabeth Detwiler was b. May 6, 1791 in the State of Pa. and she d. Oct. 15, 1860, aged 69 yr. 5 mo. 9 da. The ROGERS family Philman Rogers b. August 12, 1791 Elizabeth Rogers b. March 2, 1796 Hannah Rogers b. June 30, 1816 Nancy Rogers b. April 25, 1817 -----ah Rogers b. January 6, 1819 ------My Rogers b. December 13, 1820 Noah Rogers b. November 24, 1822 Note: Both the Geiger Bible and the Rogers Bible was in very poor condition and difficult to read and what the connection between the two families is unknown. Hope this helps someone. Helen

Thanks to my cousin Valerie we have just learned some new information on the Salem County, NJ Geiger/Kigers. This is from the Vineland, NJ HS mag. and concerns an unrecorded Salem County, NJ deed. Note: Adam Geiger/Kiger is listed as Adam Cuyger: > > > > Cake. Deed. (Paper). 1784. Christiana Cake, widow of Pilesgrove to > > Richard Brick, of Mannington, Farmer. Whereas Adam Cuyger late of > > Pilesgrove died seized of a plantation at Pilesgrove afsd., "Bounding on > > Moses Wood, William Clark, Elisabeth Sinickson, George Dennis & Others, > > Containing Forty three Acres and half of Land" (no other dec) And > whereas > > sd. Adam Cuyger by his will gave sd. Plantation to his son Lawrence -- > And > > Whereas sd. "Lawrence Died in his NonAge: & sd. land "descended to the > > three Daughters of sd. Adam Cuyger as copceners, namely the aforesd. > > Christanna, and Mary" (only the 2 names), -- Now sd. Christiana, in > > consideration of L100, gold and silver, conveys etc. the undivided third > > part" of sd. Plantations, etc. (Never signed witnessed nor acknowledged) > > (p. 187. We have NOT seen this before. It obviously refers to the Kiger House and farm in Mannington Township Salem County, on Major's Run just off Warner Road. It may not refer to the entire property--it might only be a portion of it (1/3 share maybe?). We know the house itself went to Adam's brother Henry at some point after Adam's death in 1773. The earliest deed we were able to trace in Salem was in reference to Henry, younger brother of Adam. Adam's son Lawrence Kiger disappeared from the face of the earth after 1778 when he witnessed his sister's wedding--now we know why--he died prior to becoming of legal age--which would have been Feb. 1784. We did know that Christiana Go"ck/Cake/Geek/Koch and Mary Macoy were two of Adam's daughters but he actually had 4 daughters--the other two being Elizabeth and Agnes. We have NO marriage information on either of them and we know from Adam's Will that one of them died before he wrote the will. It is of interest that a Clark and Wood were neighbors. Rebecca Clark married Henry Kiger, son of Adam's brother Henry--about 1800; and Margaret Kiger married Capt. Joseph Wood in 1775. It is my belief (I know cousin Val has a problem with this) that this Margaret Kiger (shown as Margaret Rajer in her marriage record) was the widow of Adam Kiger above--how was Joseph Wood (born about 1731) related to Moses Wood above? Does anyone know whether the above Go"ch's were the reason the land where the Kiger House sits was once called Go"ch's Landing? Joan

Dorothy and Joan are real sweet-talkers. Dick Andis will tackle the tangled web of Vird KYGER and his offspring. I have that on my to do list when I can get out of this hot, humid, grass-growing season! I need to go about 2 hours north to White County, IN and wanted to tie that in with a visit to Frankfort, IN (seat of Clinton Co) to check out the strange happenings around land that Samuel KYGER and family left there in 1846 to go back to Warren Co (next to Clinton Co, OHIO), OH and die in 1848. He left 280 acres of land there, and they still had it in 1852--4 years after he died in OHIO. So bear with me. It may be a while before I can get there. If things let up here a bit, I COULD get there by August; if not, it will probably be at least October or November because we are going to Ireland in September. But it WILL get done. Dick Andis <randis@madison.tdsnet.com>

In a message dated 98-07-08 18:05:36 EDT, you write: > how many back issues of the newsletter are there? Sharon, You have brought up the subject of our newsletter which I had actually not discussed before on the list in any detail or description. The two items must (and should) remain two separate items. A little over two 2 years ago (as many of you--but not all) know a group of us started a newsletter called The Kiger Kounter. It is issued four times a year and to date (through summer 1998) there have been 9 issues printed. If anyone would like information on the newsletter please contact me privately. I would be happy to mail a free sample to anyone interested. Our emphasis was on the Kiger and Kyger surnames at first--which we knew had evolved from Geiger. Over the course of time it became evident that the primary research efforts HAD to be directed to the Geiger surname from which all (or MOST) Kigers arose. This mailing list is new--a month old today in fact. Many of the initial subscribers were Kiger/Kyger researchers who had been working together for the past two years. As time goes by we are adding more purely GEIGER researchers--so hang in there. While the emphasis of the newsletter to date has been the study of Geigers who arrived in America during Colonial times and often evolved into Kiger or Kyger-- we also attempt to cover other aspects of the Geiger surname. The list, however, MUST include ALL Geigers--and we need to be careful not to consider this just an American list--the Geiger name has Germanic (or Swiss) origins and we must remember that to truly be a universal GEIGER list much attention should be given to European Geigers and European roots. This mailing list, like any other, will be what the subscribers make of it. Any subscriber is welcome to post information on anything related to Geiger, Kiger, Kyger, and any other related or allied surname. From time to time items of general use in studying Germanic genealogy will be posted. Rest assured that if any "off-topic" threads make their way to the list as they do on all lists, and get out of hand--I will take care of them--hopefully in a "friendly" manner. In future, gripes with the list or its contect are to be directed to me personally at: JYoung6180@aol.com and NOT to the list as a whole. Joan M. Young, list moderator GEIGER-L@rootsweb.com

Wow, for a what if, that is a doozy. BTW, how many back issues of the newsletter are there? Sharon

I agree, Joan helped me to find out that my Henry Giger's father was Henrich Gucker and it was spelled Gicker in other records. Sometimes it is very hard to read the old handwriting and things end up spelled every which way. Sharon

In a previous reply to the list I stated a few facts about the children of Christian Geiger--which I wish to clarify. Johannes born ???? shortly after arriving in Pennsylvania or in Europe or at sea??? No one knows if this child really ever existed or NOT. I personally think NOT. We have NO birth record, NO death record, NO mention anywhere (except in the files of previous researchers of this family)--and he is NOT named in his father's will. So if he did exist at all he died young without issue. Johann Jacob was born on 13 December 1739 and is the child of Christian and Anna Maria (second wife). I know the newletter says he was born on the 15th of Dec. but we now have the original GERMAN handwritten church record of his birth--and it says 13--the translators made an error in reading the handwriting. It also lists Anna Maria Esskuchin as a sponsor and fails to identify her as the mother--but she is. Johann Jacob was born 9 months minus 5 days from the marriage of his parents (if you are counting on your fingers) in 1739--not 1738. Given the confusion between new and old calendars this date is often recorded as being 1738/39 (in Family Tree Maker for example) and it is sometimes listed as being Oct. instead of Dec. since Oct. was the 12th month of the old calendar--confused yet? I have seen previous researchers list the birth of the "hypothetical" Johannes as being Oct. 1738. My theory is that previous researchers have confused Johann Jacob with a "mythical" son Johannes supposedly born in Oct. 1738--an alternate date for the birth of Johann Jacob under the New Style dating system. To carry my theory to its absurd extreme--once we remove the "hypothetical" Johannes from the equation, we now should really wonder whether Barbara on the ship list of the Charming Nancy was REALLY the wife of Christian or perhaps a daughter or other close relative, even his mother perhaps? Christian married Anna Maria in Mar. 1739--he had just arrived in America in Sept.-Oct. of 1737 (1&1/2 years earlier). His only child we can PROVE on the ship with him was Wilhelm born about the early 1720s--let's assume about 1723-25 since we KNOW he was UNDER 16 (he wasn't required to take the oath) and that he later married in 1747. We know Christian was born in Dec. 1700--so he must have married young--and fathered Wilhelm and possibly (according to my theory) Barbara. Both Barbara and Wilhelm appear on a list called the "women and children" list. I have checked that list thoroughly and in all other cases I have been able to verify where the female of the family was an adult the woman's name appears before the children's names. If the female's name, or names, were referring to CHILDREN--they appear after the male children's names or in birth order. Barbara's name appears AFTER Wilhelm's name leading me to suspect she was younger than he was. I think she was not Christian's WIFE but rather his DAUGHTER. BUT don't go changing records and possibly history itself based on my theory with no further proof--it is just a THEORY. I will agree that if there REALLY WAS a Johannes born shortly after the family arrived in PA then Barbara would HAVE to have been Christian's wife--but NOT necessarily Wilhelm's mother. There is quite a gap there between the ages of Wilhelm and all of his known--PROVABLE-siblings or half-siblings. I will admit I find NO record of Barbara Geiger's death in Pennsylvania records--either as Christian's wife or daughter--and if she is his daughter I find no record of a marriage for her. She had to have died without issue before Christian wrote his will if she was his daughter, since she is NOT mentioned in the will. Joan

I copied all the KIGERS listed in the Genealogy Library on the Family Tree Maker page. Not all Indiana counties are listed. Happy to send this list to anyone who is interested. Maggie

Mike: You obviously don't get it. My Benjamin Geiger (and this is the correct spelling) b 1777 can be found as Kyger, Kyer, Kiger,Giger in church records, census, etc. I actually have his name spelled three different ways in one church when his children were baptised. Remember, back then a lot of people were not as educated as we are today and they had difficulty spelling and many could not write so they could not tell someone it was spelled wrong. If we leave out these records, then people like me will never find their relatives. It may been Geiger to you but down thru the years many people spelled it different ways. Hope this helps you understand. Eleanor > -----Original Message----- > From: MikeW9999@aol.com [SMTP:MikeW9999@aol.com] > Sent: Wednesday, July 08, 1998 12:39 AM > To: GEIGER-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [GEIGER-L] Where have all the Geigers gone? > > Isn't it getting a bit far astream from Geiger to be posting things about > Keyler, Kyer, Kyger? Isn't this a GEIGER discussion list? What next- > Kesyer, > Mayer, Prior-- gee these are similar to Geiger too...NOT. I see more non- > GEIGER postings here than actual Geiger postings. Perhaps the list should > be > renamed "anything BUT Geiger"...

I have been looking for Richard Geiger (b.1790) and had problems in finding information. The tape of the Grace White Oak Church records from the LDS did not provide the "Richard" information I was looking for --- or did it? Upon looking past the name Richard, several things came into view. Not knowing if this could be my answer, I did what came naturally --- asked Joan. She requested that I post my question and information on the rootsweb. Her answer follows. Joan , Diedrich Geiger and Maria's children, listed below, match with the 1850 census in both names and birth dates . Could Diedrich and Richard be the the same? Richard's wife is listed as Maria and Mary. (see below) Births and Baptisms Grace White Oak Church, German Reformed & Lutheran, Southampton & Greenville Twps., Somerset County, PA The first record baptisms were those of July 18, 1830, when seven children were baptized: Hiram Beal, John Beal, John Crosby, Harriet Diehl, William Dulong, William Aaron Geiger and Aaron Wilhehm. Lucinda b. 10-23-1861 Aron Geiger (text - only one a) Elizabeth. b. 5-19-1834 Diedrich Geiger & Maria Jonathan Albert b. 4-24-1836 Diedrich Geiger & Maria Catherine Anne b. 11-25-1838 Deidrich Geiger & Maria Marianna b. 11-30-1840 Deidrich Geiger & Maria (Sponsor Marianne Geiger) Henry A. b. 4 1834 George Geiger & Elizaabeth George Washington b. 7-18-1836 Henry Geiger & Susanna Elias b. 7-1-1828 Henry Geiger & Susanna Sally b. 3-19-1830 Henry Geiger & Susanna Henry b. 8-29-1831 Henry Geiger and Susanna Esra b. 11-2-1869 Henry Geiger and Mary Edith Amanda b. 7-22-1883 Herman B. Geiger & Harriet Solomon George b. 6-13-1846 Herman B Geiger & Harriet Solomon b. 11-13-1846 John Geiger and wife Mary Ellen b. 4-27-1848 John Geiger and Rebecca Matilda Catherine b. 10-10-1849 John Geiger and Rebecca Lydai b. 10-13-1851 John Geiger and wife Geo. Washington b. 1-24-1861 John Geiger and wife Simon b. 8-30-1849 Josiah Geiger and Mary Sarah Esther b. 2-20-1851 Josiah Geiger and Mary Charles b. 12-15-1852 Josiah Geiger and Mary Herman b. 9-18-1855 Josiah Geiger and Mary Amaline Rebecca b. 5-9-1858 Josiah Geiger and Mary Wm. Aaron b. 11-4-1829 Richard Geiger and Mary Benj. Harman b. 11-4-1831 Richard Geiger and Maria *Grace, White Oak, is one of the older congregations of Somerset Classis. The ground upon which the first church was erected was deeded in 1825 to George Long, John Albright and Christian Shockey, Jr., trustees of the Lutheran and Presbyterian congregation. The deed was executed by "John Wells and Mary, his wife, pursuant to a promise made by the said John Wells to sundry citizens of Southampton and Greenville on or about the 3rd of Feb, 1819." It would appear that a congregation was in existence as early as 1819. The first place of worship was a schoolhouse erected on the plank road east of Wittenberg, and was used by reformed and Lutheran Congregations until 1847. The early records refer to the congregation as Reichards. In 1891 the Lutherans withdrew and erected their own house of worship. *From a part of a sketch by Rev. J. E Gindelsperger Carol Oh boy! I will bet it IS him--you know I HAD mentioned that there were NOT very many Richard Geigers!!! That sure explains it. Please post that to the Geiger list--what a great lesson on how given names can vary and become Americanized. What an exciting discovery!!! Joan

In a message dated 7/8/98 9:09:45 AM Eastern Daylight Time, GEIGER-D- request@rootsweb.com writes: > I have a letter written by Margaret (McCaw) Kyger from Monon, IN > dated 18 June 18 Sorry I forgot to put in the rest of the date. I was having a problem reading the date. I think it is 1870.

In a message dated 7/8/98 9:09:45 AM Eastern Daylight Time, GEIGER-D- request@rootsweb.com writes: > > I checked my Indiana marriage CD, but no marriage listed between Kygers > and Payton. Will look at other records at library later today. > Thank you for looking. It's great to have so many willing to pitch in Dorothy

I checked my Indiana marriage CD, but no marriage listed between Kygers and Payton. Will look at other records at library later today. Sharon

Hello: The main reason, I believe, that the list was named "Geiger" was that it was the original name of our Kyger family and many other spellings. The original Geigers who came to this country couldn't speak English and I doubt if many of the English speaking people could speak German. So, it depends on how good an ear you have for sounds. Remember, our forefathers were not educated as we are today. I have taught foreign-born English. I know how difficult it is to have to listen. My students were from Guatamala and spoke...hello...goodbye... which was unrecognizable except they waved at me. If I had not known their names before going to their home, I would have been stuck as what to call them. There are many, many ways to listen to the sounds in Geiger. Perhaps, the list owner would only like to have Geiger, but I don't think so. Please bear with those of us who are looking for our Geiger family, even though their names are spelled many different ways. Kay (Cay, Cae, Kai, Kaye, Key) from Central FL ***************** >Isn't it getting a bit far astream from Geiger to be posting things about >Keyler, Kyer, Kyger? Isn't this a GEIGER discussion list? What next- Kesyer, >Mayer, Prior-- gee these are similar to Geiger too...NOT. I see more non- >GEIGER postings here than actual Geiger postings. Perhaps the list should be >renamed "anything BUT Geiger"... > >

I am looking for conformation of or additional information on my gggrandfather Hiram Kiger. Hiram was born 10/9/1826 in Hamilton Co., Ohio, son of Emanuel Kiger and Rebecca Chambers. Hiram married Amelia Lewis 5/26/1850 in Rush County Indiana. Hiram and Amelia had three children, Leonidas, Caroline and Rush before moving to Whitley Co., Indiana. Hiram was one of three children born to Emanuel and Rebecca, Eliza, also born Hamilton Co., Ohio married to a Thomas Branson and a Martin VanBuren Kiger who married a Lydia Ellen Elliot 6/27/1861 in Howard Co., Indiana. Only known child of Vanburen and Lydia was Nettie May b. 09/16/1866 d. 08/17/1880 buried at the Alto cemetery, Alto, Howard Co., Indiana. Emanuel was born in Ohio abt 1807, probably Clermont Co., where his father Adam Kiger had moved from Virginia. Emanuel was married around 1827 and moved to Miami Twp, Hamilton Co., Ohio. 1830 census shows two children born between 1826 and 1830. Around 1840 Emanuel moved to Rush Co., Indiana with his family and father Adam, whose wife had died. All that is known of Adam Kiger is that he was born abt 1763 in Virginia and died 1856 in Howard Co., Indiana. 1820 census shows him living in Clermont Co., Ohio with a wife over 45 and 4 daughters and 3 sons. Of the 7 children all is know is Emanuel; Elizabeth, born Clermont Co., married a Mr. Hines; Margaret born Clermont Co., married a Mr. Smith and Mary Kiger born Clermont Co., Ohio. Not all of this information is proved so any conformation or addition's would be greatly appreciated. Walter John Kiger

While looking for some notes in my file, I came across this. Hope it helps someone. It's from Pennsylvania Historical and Museum Commission. I'd asked for a military record of Nicholas KYER that I'd seen in the Penn. Archives series. "We have carefully checked our records, both printed and original documents and seem to have come up with a discrepency. The record in the published Archives, Sixth Series, Volum 1, pg. 905 states that one Nicholas KYER was enrolled in Captain Jonathan Lowrey's Company, Philadelphia County but the original document gives the spelling of the name KEYLER. Keyler was enrolled sometime during the period 1780-1783 as a Private, 4th Class, Captain Jonathan Lowrey's 3rd Company, 6th Battalion, Philadelphia County Militia. The Township of residence is Worcester." Helen

In a message dated 98-07-08 00:52:36 EDT, you write: > > The main reason, I believe, that the list was named "Geiger" was that it > was the original name of our Kyger family and many other spellings. The > original Geigers who came to this country couldn't speak English and I > doubt if many of the English speaking people could speak German. So, it > depends on how good an ear you have for sounds. Remember, our forefathers > were not educated as we are today. I never saw the message Kay refers to come through the list but the list is called Geiger-L because that is what it is about--a family of researchers studying Geiger and all related (and possibly related) surnames. When dealing with Germanic surnames you cannot be too strict with spellings or you will miss many an ancestor. I recently pointed out just such a case where the surname Gücker became Geiger in America. In most other instances Geiger either remained Geiger or became Kiger or Kyger--read the description of this list posted on Rootsweb's Webpage--it specifically mentions those variatons of the surname. Not all Geigers are from one root family. The name means "fiddler" or musician" and many families with this surname arose at an early date due to their association with music. Many Swiss Geigers were originally Gyger, Giger, Gieger, or similar and some remain so today. This is a forum to discuss all of the above and any other variations of the name. Posts to the list are encouraged that discuss any variations of the name and allied families with these Geigers. Although I subscribe to this list in both digest and mail mode I never saw the quote Kay refers to but I would remind our list members that flames will not be tolerated on this list. If anyone has a question or problem with the list, or with something that anyone posts to the list, please contact me and I will deal with it. Also, if any of you should receive a flame from someone on the list feel free to contact me and I will handle the matter. Joan M. Young, list moderator GEIGER-L@rootsweb.com