In a message dated 98-07-20 14:07:32 EDT, you write: > Does anyone know what Westmoreland Co., PA looked like (in size) from > 1800 to say 1832? What counties split out after that. Eleanor, I am only addressing the exact question as to which counties may have split with Westmoreland during the time period above--there were others but they were well before 1800. Indiana County was attached to Westmoreland until 1806 and Armstrong County was formed in 1800 partly from Westmoreland County. Joan

In a message dated 98-07-20 13:28:56 EDT, you write: > I am sure these are not my Geiger family. I reviewed it as I always > review Lutheran records looking to see if I could find my own and decided > they were not but in the interest of helping someone else I put it on the > list Eleanor, I know they are not your Geigers--but I do believe Carol Collins will be most interested. I am sure they are referring to HER Geigers. So yes--you are right--when you come across something that doesn't help you but concerns Geigers--post it to the list it will surely help someone else. Joan

The following information was taken from the book " Bulloch County, Georgia Geneologial Source Material" by Alvaretta Kenan Register, published in 1985 by Magnolia Press, P.O. Box 3, Swainsboro, Georgia 30401 ; ISBN 0-916369-00-5 ; Library of Congress Catalog Number 84-63067 { We purchased our copy of this book from the Statesboro Public Library, Statesboro, Bulloch co., GA - It is a wonderful source of information for anyone doing research in the Bulloch Co., Area.) ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Bulloch County Court Records DEED BOOK AA 1806-1813 _____________________________________________________________ Page 119-120. July 5, 1806; R. July 10, 1806. Stephen Denmark, planter, Bulloch Co., sold to JOHN GEIGER, planter Bul., Co., for $65 (illegible for several lines) the eastern part of a tract of land originally on 6 Aug. 1793 ? granted for 586 acres to sd. Stephen Denmark (remainder illegible). Wit.: John Rawls, Chas. Gruver. Page 120-121. Oct. 20, 1804; R. July 12, 1806. Henry Zouk, planter, Bulloch Co., and Marcia Zouk, his wife, sold to JOHN GIEGER (spelled this way), planter Bul. Co., for $22, 22 acres originally granted 7 April 1767 to Frederick Rester. Wit.: Milner Holladay, Elijah Bragg. Page 121-122. July 5, 1806; R. July 12, 1806. JOHN GEIGER, planter Bul. Co., sold to Stephen Denmark, planter, for $65, 200 acres originally granted April 16, 1796 to JOHN GEIGER. Wit.: John Rawls, Charles Gruver, C.I.C.B.C. {Clerk of the Inferior Court Bulloch Co.} Page 124-126. July 3, 1806; R. July 19, 1806. Stephen Denmark, Planter, Bul. Co. and his wife Elizabeth Denmark sold to Reading Denmark, planter of Bulloch Co., for $2500, tract originally on Sept. 18, 1766 granted to John Adam Treutlen, 300 acres in St. Phillips Parish now Bulloch Co., which sd. tract of land was conveyed to Stephen Denmark by John Treutlen, son of John Adam Treutlen, and heir to the land , by deed dated 7 January 1793. Also tract of land of 65 acres originally on 2nd Sept. 1766 granted John Adam Treutlan. Also tract of land 236 acres originally on 6 Aug. 1793 granted Stephen Denmark for 586 acres, bounded on east by JOHN GEIGER's land, Davis branch ... SW by ASA Emanuel's land ... Also tract of land originally on 20 May 1795 granted Stephen Denmark for 500 acres, bounded NW by Alexander Lane, Jr's land. Also part of a tract of 85 acres originally on 20 may (illegible) .... The whole above tracts 1476 acres. Wit.: John Rawls, Chas. Gruver. Pages 138-141 Jan. 1, 1807, R. Jan 5, 1807. Stephen Denmark, planter Bulloch Co., and Elizabeth Denmark his wife, sold to Reading Denmark, planter Bul. Co., seven tracts of land containing 1300 acres for $2500. These various tracts had originally been granted to John Flerl Jr. (200acres), to John Wertch (100 acres), to John Gruver , to JOHN GEIGER (200 acres). Wit.: John Rawls, J.J.C.B.C. Pages 164-165. March 7, 1808: R. March 30, 1808. Henry Zouk, planter Bulloch Co., and Marcia (or Mercy) Zouk, his wife, sold to Frederick Buntz, planter, bul. Co., for $500, five tracts of land - 100 acres originally granted on 4 Aug. 1767 to Isreal Reiser, then conveyed by Isreal Reiser & Hannah his wife to Jacob Hoffman on 16 June 1785: also 100 acres originally granted on 27 Aug., 1795 granted sd. Jacob Huffman, also 200 acres originally on 16 may 1798 granted to Jacob Huffman and conveyed by Jacob Huffman & Ann Mary his wife to Abraham Stafford ...; also 100 acres on 19 Nov. 1791 granted to FELIX GEIGER: also 50 acres originally on 20 may 1795 granted to FELIX GEIGER (later shows MARY is wife of FELIX GEIGER ) and Elizabeth is wife of Abraham Stafford ... Wit.: W.M. Richardson, John Pettibone. Page 174-175 May 28, 1807; R. June 3, 1808. JOHN A. MARTIN appointed JAMES MARTIN of Bryan Co., his attorney to sell 202 1/2 acres in 12th Dist. in Baldwin Co., No. 58, granted 6 Jan. 1808. Wit.: John Lanier, ABRAHAM (X) GEIGER. Page 190-191. Nov. 11, 1808; R. Feb. 24, 1809. Henry Wise, Planter, Bul., Co., sold to Jacob Huffman, planter, Bul., Co., for $15, 200 acres bounded SW by William Wise, NW by Robert Knight land and vacant land, NE by Stephen Denmark land, SE by J.H. Shuber & Alexander Lane's land. Wit.: JOHN GEIGER, C.H. Groover. Page 202. April 18 1809; R. Oct. 12, 1809. Frederick Rester sold to Thomas Jones for $100, 200 acres originally granted CORNELIUS GEIGER June 30, 1797 & conveyed then to Frederick Rester by deed. On Luke Mann's branch, Bulloch Co., Wit.: John Matthis, Redding Denmark, Malachi Denmark, Stephen Denmark, J.J.C. Pages 203-204. April 18, 1809; R. Oct.13, 1809. Affadavit ny Gideon Rester before Stephen Denmark, Justice of Inferior Court, Bulloch Co., states that a certain deed of conveyance given from CORNELIUS GIGER to Frederick Rester for 200 acres of land lying on Luke Mann's branch is lost or mislaid so that it can not be found. The deponet further states that he is of the opinion that it is likely Frederick Rester carried it through a mistake with other papers to the Western Country and if it should be found the deponent will use every means to convey said deed to Thomas Jones of Bul., Co. Wit.: Stephen Denmark. Page 253. April 8, 1804; R. May 10, 1811. FELIX GEIGER sold to Abraham Stafford for $75, two tracts of land containing 250 acres. Signed FELIX GEIGER & MARY MARG. GEIGER. Wit.: Wm. Redding, J.P. Pages 266-267. Dec. 1, 1812 ; R. Feb. 17, 1813. Nathaniel McCall, Tax Collector for the years 1810,1811, and 1812 for Bulloch Co. sold to William Richardson 150 acres of pine land lying on the waters of Ironmonger Creek bounded on the west by land surveyed for JOHN MARTIN and all other sides by land belonging to the estate of J(torn) Lane. Said William Richardson was the highest bidder for $20. Wit.: Francis L. Kennedy, E. Godfrey, Isiah Jones, J.P. END OF DEED BOOK AA ________________________________________________________ Part 3 will Deed Book AAA, 1814-1818 __________________________________________________________

The following information has be taken from "Bulloch County, Georgia Genealogical Source Material" by Alvaretta Kenan Register; published in 1985 by Magnolia Press, P.O. Box 3, Swainsboro, GA 30401; ISBN 0-916369-00-5; Library of Congress Catalog Card Number 84-63067. {We purchased our copy of this wonderful resource at the Statesboro Public Library, Statesboro, Bulloch Co., GA.} Deborah Callicott Green Cove Springs, FL _________________________________________________________________________ DEED BOOK AAA 1814-1818 Page 289. Jan. 16,1815; R. Jan. 28, 1815. FELIX GEIGER, ABRAHAM GEIGER, MARY HOFFMAN, & CORNELIUS GEIGER Legal heirs of ULRICK KEGAR (or Geiger) dec'd. sold to their brother JOHN GEIGER, also a legal heir of ULRICK KEGAR, for the sold intention that strick justice may be obtained and done to their brother and to prevent dispute and law suit, that parcel of land being one-fifth or 60 acres, originally granted on 2nd June 1767 to ULRICK KEGAR. Wit.: Jacob Geiger, Philip Geiger, and Stephen Denmark, J.P. Pages 289-290. Jan 16, 1815; R. Jan 28, 1815. Between JOHN GEIGER ABRAHAM GEIGER & MARY his wife, MARY HOFMAN, CORNELIUS GEIGER & REBECCA his wife, FELIX GEIGER & MARY his wife, one one part and Christopher Frederick Bunce, Planter, on the other part. For $250, a parcel of land being four-fifths or 300 acres granted to ULRICK KEGAR. Wit.: JACOB GEIGER, PHILIP GEIGER. Page 301. july 8, 1815: R. Sept. 16, 1815. Deed of Gift from William Bennett in Consideration of the love, good will and affection which I have and do bear towards my loving son-in-law DAVID GEIGER, Bulloch Co.... a parcel of land, part of a 400 acre tract on which he now resides. Wit.: John Thompson, James Bennett. Page 305. Nov. 9, 1815 ; R. Dec. 8, 1815. Christopher F. Bunce planter Bulloch Co. sold to Stephen Denmark for $300, four-fifths of a tracct originally on 2nd June 1767 granted to URICK KEGER for 300 acres ... Wit.: Mary Adams, Allen Denmark. Page 336, Dec. 30, 1816. FELIX GEIGER and MARY his wife, sold to William Richardson 350 acres for $550, conveyed by JOHN MARTIN to William Wise on Sept. 11, 1795: also 200 acres, a total of 550 acres. Wit.: Stephen Jones, Abraham Richardson, Stephen Denmark, J.P. Page 377. Nov. 19, 1814; R. Nov. 4, 1818 Simeon Travis, Administrator to the estate of Jacob Hoffman, sold to FELIX GEIGER for $242, 550 acres in two tracts. Wit.: J. Tillinghast, Adam Jones, Stephen Denmark, J.P. Page 397, Sept. 25, 1817; R. May 21, 1819. ABRAHAM GEIGER sold to Henry Melton for $100, 500 acres. Wit.: James Melton, John Futch. Oath on Dec. 5, 1818. Pages 397-398, Nov. 11, 1819: R. May 21, 1819. Stephen Denmark sold to Christpher F. Bunce, for $252, a tract of 285 acres, exect 18 1/4 acres conveyed to FELIX GEIGER on April 22, 1800, originally granted to Stephen Denmark May 20, 1795, ajoining lands of Knight Stafford & Belcher and land surveyed for Alex(r). Lane. Wit.: Mary Adams, Allen Denmark, Ely Kennedy, CSCBC. Pages 399-400. Nov.7, 1815; R. May 21, 1819. FELIX GEIGER & MARY his wife, sold to Christopher F. Bunce for $550 acres granted to James Fordice 5 Aug. 1766 and conveyed by said James Fordice to Mary Belcher and William Wiley Ewing, the said husband of Mary Ewing, formerly Belcher, did convey to FELIX GEIGER the said 100 acres on 20 June 1796; also a tract of land containing 150 acres conveyed to FELIX GEIGER by Peter Stafford on 29 Dec. 1801; also a tract of land conveyed to FELIX GEIGER by Stephen Denmark on 22 April 1800, containing 18 1/4 acres being a part of (illegible) acres granted to Stephen Denmark...(no witnesses listed) Page 408. May 2, 1819; R. Oct. 4, 1819. "To all people to whom these presents shall come. I, JOHN GEIGER, do send Greetings. Know ye that the said JOHN GEIGER, of the state and county aforesiad (Bulloch), Planter for the good will and affection which I have and do bear towards my beloved wife SARAH GEIGER and her bodily heirs, have given granted relinquished and forever quit claim to all the part or portion of property aquired by her; viz, all of her part or portion of the estate of Christin Shuffield, deceast (sic) and obtained by the intermarriage made between the said JOHN GEIGER and his wife SARAH, shall be vested and forever held by siad SARAH GEIGER during her natural life, then to go and be vested in her bodily heirs in proportion thereunto." Wit.: Malachi Denmark, Richard R. Stanaland. END OF DEED BOOK AAA, no further deed books are abtracted in Mrs. registers book............ _________________________________________________________________________

In a message dated 98-07-20 12:01:02 EDT, you write: > This morning on the Somerset Co., PA site a gentlemen posted information on > the Lutheran Reformed Union Church Register of Wellersburg, PA. I am not > familiar with Wellersburg but I assume it was or is in Somerset Co. I found > the following on his list: > > Lydia Geiger b 14 Apr 1824 > Parents: John Geirger & Esther > Baptized Oct 1824 > > William Aaron Keiger b 4 Nov 1829 > Parents: Richard Keiger & Mary > Sponsors: Sam Long & Susanna > Baptized 18 July 1830 Eleanor, this would most definitely appear to be referring to the Geigers that Carol Collins has previously posted to this list in her message of 7/7/98. If you wish to review that message remember my instructions to the list for viewing the archived list messages at Rootsweb's Website. Joan

I am going to throw this one out to the list. This is not specifically a GEIGER or KIGER question but we have many list members who are researching both Geigers and Kigers in Fairfield County, Ohio. An excellent researcher of early Fairfield County families (Rebecca Huddle) has been discussing with me something she recently learned about that might prove to be a source of genealogical information on early Fairfield families. So I am copying our exchange of dialogue below. Does anyone know anything about the Granville Alexandrian Society? Joan Subj: Re: Granville Alexandrian Society Date: 98-07-20 11:29:47 EDT From: rebhud@raex.com (RCHuddle) Reply-to: rebhud@raex.com To: JYoung6180@aol.com JYoung6180@aol.com wrote: > Rebecca, let me see if I understand now. This is new to me. Settlers were > moving into Ohio in 1790-1810 and they wanted to buy land and there was very > little money to do it with, right? So they borrowed money from the Granville > Alexandrian Society to buy the Ohio land. Do I have that straight? Yes, that seems to be the case. Another researcher in Fairfield County indicated she had run into the Society and it was dealing with money. The society in at least one case was represented by Charles Sherman, I believe the father of William T. Sherman. > If so--now the question is--where does one go to find the records? What do > they > have in them of a genealogical nature? I guess they would give a name and the > location of the land? Sounds like it might be helpful when researching the > early settlers of Fairfield! In the land deal that cause the problem with my ancestor, the land records have Charles R. Sherman's name, not the Granville Alexandrian Society name. Its name only appeared in the Civil Case. That peeked my curiosity! Is the Society and business group or a religious group? Who was Granville Alexandria? If they were lending money, why didn't their name appear on the land record? (I will check the next time I am in Lancaster to see if it appeared in any deed records.) Did the Society only loan money in Fairfield Co? Rebecca

Dear Geiger Cousins, First, to each of you who have written me directly, I will be responding back to each of you personally. Second, I am sending this in a variety of ways, because we have not been able to resolve the problem I am having with my e-mail bouncing back from GEIGER Rootsweb, even though we have disabled our HTML/MIME text. Hopefully this will reach those of you who will benefit from the information. Deborah Callicott Green Cove Springs, FL Callicott@pobox.com ____________________________________________ The following information is taken from "Bulloch County, Georgia , Genealogical Source Material " by Alvaretta Kenan Register , published 1985 by Magnolia Press, P.O.Box 3, Swainsboro, GA 30401 ; ISBN 0-916369-00-5; Library of Congress Catalog Card Number 84-63067 {we purchased this book at the Statesboro Public Library and the courthouse strongly recommends using this prior to doing research at the courthouse} These are the abstracted records for all the Geigers on file at the Bulloch Co. Courthouse in Stateboro, begining in 1796 when Bulloch Co. was created from Screven and Bryan Counties. Prior to 1796 Screven was carved out of Burke and Effingham counties and Bryan was carved out of Effingham, Chatham, and Liberty Counties. In 1812, Bulloch lost some of it's land to the formation of Emanuel, in 1914, more of it's land went to the formation of Candler and Evans Counties. I will include collateral families as I come across them. ___________________________________________ Deed Book A 1796-1805 Page 5, Sept.7, 1795. Indenture between JOHN MARTIN, Minister of the Gospel of Bryan Co., and William Wise of Screven County, farmer, for 100 lbs. sterling, 350 acres where John Martin now lives. Originally granted him 19th November 1791. signed JOHN MARTIN and his wife ELIZABETH. Wit.:John Everett, JP, Robert Scott. Page 20, County of Chatham, made June 14,1796; recorded March 4,1799. Indenture between William Ewing of Savannah and Mary his wife, and FELIX GEIGER of Chatham Co. for $87, 100 acres originally granted to James For Rice (?) and by him conveyed to Mary Belcher now Mary Ewing. Wit.: William Belcher, John Martin. Page 30-31, Dec. 14, 1799. recorded April 8, 1800. Ind. between William Wise, Miller and Jacob Huffman, Hatter, both of Bul. Co., 100 lbs. sterling, 350 acres, land originally granted JOHN MARTIN and conveyed by him to William Wise November 19,1791. signed William Wise and Margaret his wife. Wit.: Josiah Everett, Stephen Denmark; John Everett, JP. Page 33-34. April 22,1800; recorded May 12, 1800. Indenture between Stephen denmark, Planter of Bul. Co., and FELIX GEIGER , Bul. Co., $10 for 18 1/4 acres, being part of tract of 285 acres of land originally granted sd, S. Denmark, bounded by Thomas Stafford. Wit.: Josiah Everett, CORNELIUS GEIGER; John Everett, JP. Page 37. made April 1795; recorded Sept. 17, 1800. Indenture between Stephen Denmark, Pkanter, and JOHN GEIGER, both of Bul. Co., 450, 10 3/4 acres. Wit.: John Everett, JP. Page 104. Dec. 29, 1801; rec. Nov.27, 1805. Thomas Peter Stafford, planter of Bryant Co., & Marie Stafford, his wife, sold ot FELIX GEIGER, planter of Bul. Co., for $200, 150 acres originally granted June 1760 by George III to John Stafford and left to Thomas Peter Stafford by the last will and testament of John Stafford. Wit.: CORNELIUS GEIGER, George Tillman. Marie Stafford relinquishes all claims. Page 104-105. May 4, 1804; R. November 28, 1805. Solomon Gruver & Nancy his wife sold to CORNELIUS GEIGER, all of Bul. Co., 350 acres for $75. Wit.: W.M. Redding, JP. End of Deed Book A ___________________________________________________ Next to come Deed Book AA in Part 2 _______________________________________________--

There is a book The Geiger's of South Carolina by Percey Geiger, and it has information on the Heresy. Also I found info in a book by the Lutheran's I forget the name of the book right now. I live in Lexington,Sc in the area that was settled by the Geiger's. Abraham,Herman, John Conrad and Jacob. Some were Indian traders on the Congaree River. There was a Emily Geiger that was a spy in the Revolutionary War it seems she took a message to Sumter to the troops there. Also a John Geiger signed the succession from the Union in South Carolina. I am working in this same line, from Abraham and Mercey, my line is Abraham Harroll one of their children. Dm

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Hi, Glenda Sue and all: Anne Hammond Connell of Winter Park, FL, here. I'm new to the group. I'm descended from your Abe's brother, Felix, and Mary Martin (sister of Mercy Martin), through John Martin Geiger and Emily Joyner (Wayne Co., GA, to FL). About that Weber Heresy thing: I have been collecting articles as I come across them, but I don't have them separated into a file yet. So this is from my memory. Apparently, a mentally unbalanced couple named Weber, in the Saxe-Gotha or Orangeburg District of SC, persuaded a few similar folks that they were Jesus and Mary. They named another man as Satan and killed him. The authorities arrested them and two others, one of which was a John (I think) Geiger whom no one has been able to identify. Weber was executed and the others released. Every story I read seems to feed on the last and even brand different Geigers, even poor Abraham and Hans Ulrich, but I've yet to find proof that anyone was "banished" from SC. Since the L.D. Geiger Bible says Abe died 7 May 1766 and Ulrich applied to GA in July, 1766 for permission to remove to GA with wife, two children and one slave, for purpose of farming, I believe Abe died in SC (if the Bible date is correct). Ulrich settled near the Ebenezer community founded by the rest of their Swiss group (who hadn't chosen to go to Saxe-Gotha). Bottom line: too many people have written irresponsible things over the years and much damage has been done to our family name. Example: At a conference in Augusta, GA, I attended the lecture of a well-known publisher. He mentioned the Geiger/Kyger name as an example of how names can be misspelled. So, in the Q & A session, I prefaced my question by saying that the Geigers were one of my lines. He reared back and said, "Ah, the infamous Geigers of SC! Oh, well, I guess there were maybe a few that weren't so bad!" Everyone was appalled - and I was so furious I couldn't trust myself to reply. Not a word about all the community and church leaders, educators, Rev. soldiers, etc., they produced. I digress! I will try to write more later if have time. I had been planning a book on the Gyger/Geiger family from Switzerland to the South, but think I'd better begin with one on the Swiss roots only. I have records from the 1500's, with most collaterals, to when they left. They are still being translated, but already show that from the beginning, the Gygers were mostly vintners and leaders of their church and communities. Their vineyards are still growing on the slopes of the Rheingau around and above Haslach, Berneck, Widnau, Diepoldsau, etc.! A thrilling sight! Hope this helps for now. Anne

Thank you for explaining about the Weber Heresy. If you have time at a later date to write more about this, I am sure we would all be interested. A Geiger book would be a welcome sight too. I look forward to reading more from you. Glenda Sue Vize

On Thu, 16 Jul 1998, JYoung6180@aol.com wrote: >I am posting the following report which is a work in progress on the two >John Adam Geyer/Geigers of Berks County, Pennsylvania. I would appreciate >any comments, additions or corrections anyone may wish to ad. > > <snip> > >On the ship Phoenix in 1752 along with John Adam Geiger there was a >passenger named Jacob Guyer (whose signature actually appears to read >Geiger) as pointed out above. Are the two connected? If so how? > My only comments at this time relate to the several John Adam Geyer/Geiger's in the Philadelphia ship lists. I am aware of three John Adam's in these lists and each was able to sign his name (thank goodness). By studying the characteristics of the Geyer and Geiger signatures, I find two key factors which help distinguish between the two surnames. The first is the consistent usage of the Y diaeresis (double dots over the Y) in the Geyer name while the middle G in Geiger does not have the diaeresis. The second is that the first E in German script requires "two humps" and the I in Geiger requires another "hump." Using these characteristics and limited knowledge of other family members on the same ship, I conclude the following: On the Aurora arriving 8 Oct 1744, we have Johann Adam GEYER. This ship also had other Geyers, specifically Johann Sebastian (Besigner) Geyer. Johann Sebastian was Johann Adam's father. On the Elliott arriving 24 Aug 1749, we have another Johann Adam GEYER. The characteristics in the Geyer spelling are very clear. On the Phoenix arriving 22 Nov 1752, we have Johann Adam GEIGER. There is no doubt about the spelling. There is no diaeresis. The "three humps" are hard to see since the two humps of the E blend into one wide one, but they are there. There is disagreement on the Jacob also on the Phoenix. His signature has much space between the two humps of the E which makes it look like a German U. This is why his name is listed in the index to the ship's list as Guyer with the note "read Geyer." The diaeresis is clearly present which leaves me with no doubt that this is Jacob GEYER. There is a biographical sketch of one of the Johann Adam Geyer's. I found it last summer when we visited the Lancaster County (PA) Historical Society. Since the copier was on the blink at that time, I didn't get a copy. Now I cannot locate my notes on which book it was in. Perhaps John Kiger can find that sketch again. Hopefully, it would clarify some of the church records you are trying to sort out. I do vaguely recall that the descendants of Johann Adam Geyer of this sketch included Peter Geyer and his son, John the drummer boy, of Westmoreland County, PA, Revolutionary War service. Dave Rankin Geyer mailing list sponsor Home Page: http://home1.gte.net/daverk

Could you please explain what the "Weber Heresy" was? I have seen it referred to on this post. Thank you. Glenda Sue Vize gsvize@aol.com

Since we seem to have several Muncie Kiger researchers, in our group I thought they may enjoy this obit of John Kiger in case they don't already have it. IN MEMORY OF JOHN KIGER, Corvan, Ind. John Kiger, oldest son of William and Sarah Gibson Kiger (deceased) was born in Delaware County, Indiana March 5, 1838 and departed this life on the morn of April 17, 1912. Age 74 years, 1 month, 12 days. His boyhood days were spent on the farm and in cleaning of the wild waste of forests which covered his native county at that time. He endured the trialed and hardships of the early pioneers, and in common with other boys at that time, he had only the benefits of the common schools for about three months each winter. Yet this ;enabled him to become a reader and during all of his life he enjoyed the communion of books and was ever alert to the current topics of the day, keeping abreast with the progress and destiny of our nation. He was united in marriage to Matilda Jane Heaton daughter of William and Peare Experience Heaton (deceased) Feb.2, 1860 by squire Joseph Swain of Muncie. To this union was born nine children viz; all of whom are still living - six boys and three girls. viz Mrs Arsula Reed of Farmland; Orville of Newark, Ohio; William of Muncie, Kelsie and Elza of Corvan; Mrs Nora Repolgle of Everett, Washington Mrs Anna Williams of Muncie; Ira and Oren P. of Columbus, Ohio. "It seems as that one, we cherished should be taken from our home But the joys that do not perish Live in our memory alone. All the years we've spent together all the happy golden hours Shall be cherished in remembrance By your lived ones and your own." He was just reaching the prime of manhood when he heard his country's call for loyal men to protect the Union and the Starry flag, which he loved and always honored. All honor to the stars and stripes and to the heroes who proudly defended them. Patriotic and loyal to the principles of the Union, he promptly offered his services to his county and went forth in the face of shot and shell as one of the nations noble defenders. He enlisted in August 1862 in Company B. of the gallant 69th Regiment for the term of three years and participated in many of the great battle of the south and west. He was with Gen. Grant in his siege of Vicksburg and engaged in some 17 active battles. On every field of battle he proved himself loyal, courageous and a heroic patriot and soldier. Farewell Comrade: Tis only a few that are left to relate the experiences of your soldier life- Through storms and clouds, down in the valley, So none could tell where the long march might end. You've seen the darkness dawn, repulse, rally - you are reunited - not foe but friend. Your arms are grounded and your ranks are broken - The brazen bugle sounds the charge no more you're waiting orders, till the word is spoken To join your brother comrades, gone before. Then let us remember that close to your heart this brother stood one of your soldier brotherhood Fresh to your mind he still appears, still honored as is by gone years; Warm hearted, thoughtful, constant friend a loyal comrade to the end. As man may, he fought his fight proved his truth by his endeavor Let him sleep in solemn night Sleep forever and forever In the spring of 1865 after hearing the guns firing a salute in glorification over the endings of the long and bloody struggle for the preservation of the Union he turned his face homeward to greet the anxious loved one there and to again renew his struggles in the pursuit of an honest living. He leaves to mourn his departure a kind and truthful wife, six sons and three daughters; 17 grand children and one great grandchild two brothers Charles and Andrew Kiger and four sisters Mrs Katie Parsons; Mrs Rebecca Harter; Mrs Maria Heath; Mrs Elizabeth Felton and many relatives and friends. He being a resident of Corvan for 22 years is well known by the community and his passing away will be felt by all - Knowing that he was coming to the place wherein his physical body had become worn out and that he must meet death soon he express himself as being ready and fully satisfied to meet the grim reaper and cease from his aches and pains. Not now but in the coming years, it may be in the better land we'll read the meaning of our tears, and there, sometime, we'll understand. Not now, tho' twill not be long this wearying commontion that marks its passage in our breast - and like the billows on the heaving ocean that ever rocks the cradle of unrest, will soon subside; tis then we'll understand. The world to us seems dark for a while the lamps go out; the stars five up their shining Our hearts give way to sad repining and we feel as though we never could smile But murmur not; some day we'll understand. Till then, we give our father unto him, who doeth all things well. by Dora Driscoll West Related to the Gibsons.

I remember something about Peter Geiger on my CD, let me check. Sharon

Our Geigers settled in Mahoning County, Ohio. Many of the family are buried in Springfield Township (I have a cemetery records book for this twp.). Gottlob (1829- 1905) was brought to America by his father, Daniel ( wife, Catharine) Geiger to Springfield Twp., Ohio. Gottlob married Gottleiba Myers, daughter of George and Mary (Koch) Myers; Gottlob and Gottleiba had 9 children: Mary Catherine (spouse, Isaiah Hoffman); Frank (Frances Elser); George; Julia; Louisa (Allen Felger); Clara (Nathaniel May); William (Matilda); Charles; and Tillie (Clinton Lipp). The county history book showed Frank Geiger living in the family homestead at the turn of the century. I haven't actively pursued this fact yet but am interested in locating cousins. My husband's line comes from Mary Catherine. Brigitte Frost

Searching for additional information on the following GEIGER families in FL & GA. My direct lines are listed in CAPS, but I am searching for information to fill in for all of the family. Will exchange information. I am still waiting on information re: John Adam GEIGER for Civil War records. I should have them within a week. MARGARET DORMANY - who were her parents and family? Thank you. Glenda Sue Vize gsvize@aol.com - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - 1 ABRAHAM GEIGER 1761 - D: IN ST. PHILLIPS PARISH, EFFINGHAM COUNTY, GA B IN GA ..+MERCY (MARY) MARTIN .....2 Cornelius Geiger b in Bulloch County, GA .....2 Ephraim Geiger .....2 Jeremiah Geiger .....2 Jessie Geiger .....2 Nathan Geiger .....2 David Geiger 1795 - 1870 d: May 05, 1870 .....2 Samuel Geiger 1796 - 1861 d: September 11, 1861 .....2 Abraham Geiger 1801 - 1877 D: November 10, 1877 .....2 Elizabeth Geiger 1803 - 1878 d: June 06, 1878 in Joppy, Trenton, FL .....2 JOHN ADAM GEIGER, CSA ABT. 1806 - 1882 D: DECEMBER 09, 1882 IN ZEPHYRHILLS, PASCO COUNTY, FL - BURIAL GEIGER FAMILY CEMETERY B IN BULLOCH COUNTY, GA .........+MARGARET DORMANY ABT. 1832 - 1921 D: 1921 IN FL B IN FL ........... .3 Abraham Ellias Geiger 1848 - 1926 d: March 04, 1926 in Zephyrhills Hills, Pasco County, FL - Burial Geiger Family Cemetery b in FL ............. 3 Jessie Cornelius Geiger 1858 - 1949 d: February 19, 1949 in FL - Burial Geiger Family Cemetery b in FL ..............3 SAMUEL JERRY GEIGER 1860 - 1932 D: AUGUST 17, 1932 IN ZEPHYRHILLS HILLS, PASCO COUNTY, FL - BURIAL GEIGER CEMETERY B IN ABBOTT, PASCO COUNTY, FL ..................+MARY EVA STORY 1874 - 1952 M: JULY 06, 1890 IN LAKE COUNTY, FL D: OCTOBER 18, 1952 IN ZEPHYRHILLS HILLS, PASCO COUNTY, FL - BURIAL GEIGER CEMETERY B IN CORDELL, WORTH COUNTY, GA FATHER: BENJAMIN WILLIS STORY, CSA MOTHER: MARY JOHNSON ....................4 Solesca Ynona Geiger 1888 - 1888 d: November 02, 1888 in FL - Burial Geiger Family Cemetery b in FL ....................4 Bessie Geiger 1891 - 1960 d: November 06, 1960 in Zephyrhills Hills, Pasco County, FL - Burial Geiger Cemetery ....................4 Amy Zola Geiger 1894 - 1961 d: September 07, 1961 ....................4 EULA ETHEL GEIGER 1899 - 1965 D: SEPTEMBER 20, 1965 IN JACKSONVILLE, DUVAL COUNTY, FL - BURIAL ORANGE PARK, CLAY CO, FL B IN ZEPHYRHILLS HILLS, PASCO COUNTY, FL ........................+ROBERT FORD WILSON 1896 - 1975 M: JANUARY 20, 1918 IN DADE CITY, PASCO COUNTY, FL D: JULY 18, 1975 IN JACKSONVILLE, DUVAL COUNTY, FL - BURIAL ORANGE PARK, CLAY CO, FL B IN WEBSTER, SUMTER COUNTY, FL FATHER: JOHN WESLEY WILSON MOTHER: ARMINDA OLIVIA "MINNIE" TILLIS

Thank you Joan - I will change the references in my files and on my web site later this weekend ... and keep an eye out for any other info coming through on Anna Margaretha. Debbie http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Park/1794 -----Original Message----- From: JYoung6180@aol.com [SMTP:JYoung6180@aol.com] Sent: Thursday, July 16, 1998 5:56 PM To: GEIGER-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [GEIGER-L] WHAT'S YOUR LINE? (KYGER) In a message dated 98-07-16 17:28:37 EDT, you write: > 3 Christian GEIGER II 1748 - Bef. 1830 > . +Anna Margaretha STOEVER 1748 - Bef. 1795 Debbie, thanks for posting your family information to the list. The only comment I would make on your chart would be that we are not sure that Anna Margaretha's maiden name was Stoever. I know it says so in the Monger book on the Kygers but Billie Jo Monger sent me a notice that she feels that has not been proven and wishes that information had not found its way into her book. I agree that it has not been proven and think it would be best to merely state that Anna Margaretha's maiden name is unproven as of now. Would Maggie or Russ care to comment on that? Perhaps they have found something I don't know about on Anna Margaretha. Joan

In a message dated 98-07-16 22:20:56 EDT, you write: > keep an eye out for any other info coming through on Anna Margaretha. Debbie, I had thought that Anna Margaretha Kyger, wife of Christian Kyger, might be a Shaver/Shaffer, and I think Russ was leaning toward the possibility that she might be an Argenbrecht/Ergabright; and we can't rule out the possibility that she really is a Stober/Stoever. We just don't have proof of any ot those possibilities. Joan

Hi All - My name is Debbie Turner - maiden name is KYGER. I am currently in New Jersey and have been researching my family roots for just over a year - such a small amount of time compared to many of you! But I love it and find it completely eating up all my free time. I have spent most of my time finding contacts and information on the Internet and trying to match that with family documents I have found -- and creating a WebSite that will be of some value to others searching the same surnames. (It's in progress - changing daily - I am learning as I am going.) If any of you have (or know of) any web pages relating to the KYGER or GEIGER name please let me know so I can visit. >From what I can find out I believe I am a descendant of Christian Geiger as follows: Direct Descendants of Christian Geiger 1 Christian GEIGER Abt. 1700 - Abt. 1779 . +Barbara (UNKNOWN) Bef. 1738 - 2 Wilhelm "William" GEIGER Aft. 1721 - 1759 +Eva/Anna Barbara STOBER 1728 - Aft. 1759 . 3 Christian GEIGER II 1748 - Bef. 1830 . +Anna Margaretha STOEVER 1748 - Bef. 1795 4 Jacob KYGER 1778 - 1848 +Barbara SHAVER 1780 - 1857 . 5 Louis/Lewis Washington KYGER 1810 - 1884 . +Martha G. HILL 1816 - 1877 6 Lewis W. KYGER 1841 - 1911 +Angelina "Lina" CRAGO/CRAIGO 1845 - 7 William Wyatt KYGER 1875 - 1956 +Maude E. EMMONS 1879 - 1942 . 8 Harry William KYGER, Sr. 1906 - 1982 . +Gwendolyn Nadine ARDREY 1917 - 9 Harry William KYGER, Jr. 1933 - +Judith Ann HINZE 1935 - . 10 Deborah Gay KYGER 1955 - Also - another area you may want to check out for surname connections is the SurnameWeb at http://www.surnameweb.org/ Debbie Turner debbiet@iss2000.com The SurnameWeb http://www.surnameweb.org/ Webmasters: The SurnameWeb Team My KYGER & HINZE Research http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Park/1794 Webmaster: Debbie Turner -----Original Message----- From: Margaret K. Miller [SMTP:maggiem@empnet.com] Sent: Thursday, July 16, 1998 3:08 PM To: GEIGER-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [GEIGER-L] WHAT'S YOUR LINE? Joan says there are at least 50 of us on this list. My line starts with Christian Geiger who settled in Lancaster County, Pennsylvania in 1747. I know a lot of you, but want to make sure that I haven't missed anyone. My main interest is the current generations. It's been extremely satisfying when 'orphans' find their roots through my database which now contains over 11,000 people and is growing daily. And yes, I have Geigers, Gigers, Gygers, Kygers and even three Kigers. Maggie