Joan, I am questioning the John Geiger b.1818 first listed as the son of Richard Geiger and Mary. There are church and census records for the rest of the children, but so far I have found nothing to prove him as their son. In fact, the 1850 census lists this(?) John Geiger as a Jr. There is another John Geiger in the Southampton 1850 & 1840 census. (See below) Perhaps he is the father. At this point in time, I don't know what to do with John b.1818. John Geiger, Josiah Geiger, Richard Geiger and Samuel Geiger appear on a September 26, 1847 list of members of the Lutheran Church. Could they be brothers? OR what could be their relationship? Perhaps in the answer there will be a key to Richard's father. I am not sure what to do next. A trip to the National Archives in Fort Worth? I may have sent some of this info before but here it is again. 1850 census of Southampton Twp., Somerset County, PA., lists Richard Geiger (age 60), Mary (age 50), George (25), Henry (23), John (21), Elias (19), Aaron (18), Benjamin (17), Elizabeth (16), Jonathan (14), Catherine (12), and Mary (9). Richard was a farmer and listed as blind. In the 1850 census, Richard Geiger is listed as living in dwelling number 12. 1840 census of Southampton Twp. Somerset County, PA, list Richard Geiger with 1 male under 5 years, 2 males 5-10 years, 2 males 10-15 years, 2 males 15-20 years, 1 male 50-60 years, 2 females under 5 years, 1 female 5-10 years, 1 female 30-40 years, and 1 female 60-70 years. In the 1850 census Southampton Township, PA. lists John Geiger Jr. age 32, Rebecca age 32, Solomon age 3, Mary E. age 2 and Metilda C. age 10 months all of whom were born in PA. John is a laborer. They are listed as living in dwelling number 13. In the 1850 census, Southampton Township, PA. lists: John Geiger age 56, Josiah Geiger age 21, Mary E. Gieger age 23, Simon Gieger age 11 months, and Noah Albright age 13. They are living in dwelling number 8. In the birth and baptism records of Grace White Oak Church, Josiah Gieger and Mary were parents of Simon b. Aug 30, 1849 Baptised November 4, 1849. Noah Albrecht was was born Dec. 29, 1836 to Jacob Albrecht and Elizabeth, sponsors were John Geiger and Ester. (interesting to note) In the 1840 census Southampton PA, John Geiger* is listed with 2 males 10-15, male 15-20, 1 male 20-30, 1 male 50-60, 2 females 15-20, 1 female 50-60. *There is no John Geiger Jr.listed in the 1840 Southampton PA census. Carol

Joan: One comment - the deeds appear to be copies - someone (who I don't know) copied them at the Courthouse because the signatures appear in the same writing (at least to me) as the written deed. The signatures spelled as I listed them. Catherine made her mark but Benjamin signed in all cases. I have decided to send this overnight tonight to you if I can locate your address quickly. I will let you know. Eleanor > -----Original Message----- > From: JYoung6180@aol.com [SMTP:JYoung6180@aol.com] > Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 1998 4:54 PM > To: GEIGER-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [GEIGER-L] Benjamin Geiger > > In a message dated 98-07-21 16:31:30 EDT, you write: > > > > > 1806 - Peter Bealer to Benjamin Gigher (may or may not be the right > > Geiger) - Land in Hempfield Twp., Westmoreland Co., PA > > > > 1814 - Benjamin Giger to Peter Zimmerman - Mortgage for land - > > Benjamin's wife not mentioned - land in Unity Twp., Westmoreland Co., > PA > > > Eleanor, just a couple comments. I am wondering whether Benjamin Gigher > from > the 1806 deed may actually be a Geyer from Dave Rankin's ancestor Casper > Geyer's line. I am copying him on this so he won't miss the question (OK > Dave > I know you wouldn't miss it anyway--but I hate to wait for you to get your > digest to hear what you have to say on the matter). His Casper Geyer was > in > Westmoreland and the family was allied with the Beelers--which is what is > making me wonder about a possible connection in this case. > > Also, the Mortgage for land in 1814 that doesn't name the wife--am I to > assume > that this is NOT the sale or purchase of land but actually a mortgage? I > would have to wait to see the papers you are sending but it sounds to me > as if > Benjamin owned or was buying the land and took out a mortgage with Peter > Zimmerman. If I am right about this then it would not be necessary for > his > wife to sign or even be mentioned--in fact I would be surprised if she was > mentioned in such a transaction. Again in the purchase deed of 1818 it > would > not be necessary or expected to find Benjamin's wife named on the deed. I > see > nothing that would lead me to believe on the face of it that there was > more > than one Benjamin Geiger at this early time in Westmoreland. How about > signatures on these deeds? Could Benjamin sign his name? If so do the > signatures match? > > Joan

Joan: I guess I should have waited until you had the material I am sending you tomorrow. In that package will be copies of several deeds: 1806 - Peter Bealer to Benjamin Gigher (may or may not be the right Geiger) - Land in Hempfield Twp., Westmoreland Co., PA 1814 - Benjamin Giger to Peter Zimmerman - Mortgage for land - Benjamin's wife not mentioned - land in Unity Twp., Westmoreland Co., PA 1815 - Benjamin Geiger & wife to Daniel Keihl (Benjamin's wife is named Catherine) - land in Unity Twp., Westmoreland Co., PA ? 1818 - Philip France to Benjamin Geiger (no mention of Benjamin's wife) - land in Hempfield Twp., Westmoreland Co., PA 1819 - Benjamin Geiger & wife (Catherine) to Jacob Rugh - land in Hampfield Twp., Westmoreland Co., PA 1834 - John Geiger & wife, Elizabeth (also within deed mentions a George Geiger) to William Boyd - land in Unity Twp., Westmoreland Co., PA. The Geiger spelling above is as it is on the documents. Joan: I think I am missing one deed that I accidentally didn't copy which was between 1806 and 1808. I will try and get a copy. I am sending you the deeds among other things. I now wish I had paid more attention to other Geiger's in the deed book besides Benjamin and John. Live and learn! I will be going back as I have family in Somerset Co., PA. I have about 1-1/2 inches of documents to send so you will be busy for awhile. Eleanor L. Myers myersel@battelle.org

I am concerned because I think there may have been two Benjamin's in Westmoreland Co., at the same time. A Benjamin Giger and a Benjamin Geiger and his wife Caterina. One Benjamin sold land without a signature or stating he had a wife and the other deeds clearly state Benjamin and wife Caterina. I know about the travel pattern of three of his sons. Benjamin went to Kansas and then came back to Westmoreland Co., PA. Thomas went to Oregon and John (my ancestor) went to Somerset Co., PA at least the latter part of his life. I have never found him with a wife in Westmoreland Co. but then I have never found his marriage record either. Of all my grandparents--this family seems to have traveled more than any other so nothing would surprise me. I wondered about Armstrong County and farther West. Frankly they could be in another state but somehow I don't think so. This is about as frustrating as trying to find John's wife, Margaret McAdams Geiger. Eleanor > -----Original Message----- > From: JYoung6180@aol.com [SMTP:JYoung6180@aol.com] > Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 1998 10:34 AM > To: GEIGER-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [GEIGER-L] Geiger/Keiger a first! > > In a message dated 98-07-21 10:25:03 EDT, you write: > > > For the same reason I wondered if we should expand the search for > > Benjamin Geiger. I know there is a key somewhere in my new data I > just > > haven't had the time to sit down with it and think about it. I plan to > send > > you the material I have tomorrow. It is all copied but the Post Office > at > > Battelle is closed today for some unknown reason. > > Eleanor, I agree--it never hurts to look at the big picture--MD and even > WV > need to be considered--we are doing that on a larger scale starting right > now > in working on the second part of the newsletter article on the Greene > County, > PA Kiger family who most assuredly has its roots in the many Geigers in > these > surrounding counties and states. > > Over the coming month or so on this list I plan to discuss my findings as > they > progress into these Geigers of Eastern and Western PA, Old Frederick > County, > MD and the northern border areas of what is now West Virginia--most > notably > Wetzel and Monongalia counties. > > Joan

In a message dated 98-07-21 16:31:30 EDT, you write: > > 1806 - Peter Bealer to Benjamin Gigher (may or may not be the right > Geiger) - Land in Hempfield Twp., Westmoreland Co., PA > > 1814 - Benjamin Giger to Peter Zimmerman - Mortgage for land - > Benjamin's wife not mentioned - land in Unity Twp., Westmoreland Co., PA > Eleanor, just a couple comments. I am wondering whether Benjamin Gigher from the 1806 deed may actually be a Geyer from Dave Rankin's ancestor Casper Geyer's line. I am copying him on this so he won't miss the question (OK Dave I know you wouldn't miss it anyway--but I hate to wait for you to get your digest to hear what you have to say on the matter). His Casper Geyer was in Westmoreland and the family was allied with the Beelers--which is what is making me wonder about a possible connection in this case. Also, the Mortgage for land in 1814 that doesn't name the wife--am I to assume that this is NOT the sale or purchase of land but actually a mortgage? I would have to wait to see the papers you are sending but it sounds to me as if Benjamin owned or was buying the land and took out a mortgage with Peter Zimmerman. If I am right about this then it would not be necessary for his wife to sign or even be mentioned--in fact I would be surprised if she was mentioned in such a transaction. Again in the purchase deed of 1818 it would not be necessary or expected to find Benjamin's wife named on the deed. I see nothing that would lead me to believe on the face of it that there was more than one Benjamin Geiger at this early time in Westmoreland. How about signatures on these deeds? Could Benjamin sign his name? If so do the signatures match? Joan

In a message dated 98-07-21 13:40:52 EDT, you write: > I am concerned because I think there may have been two Benjamin's in > Westmoreland Co., at the same time. A Benjamin Giger and a Benjamin Geiger > and his wife Caterina. One Benjamin sold land without a signature or > stating he had a wife and the other deeds clearly state Benjamin and wife > Caterina. I know about the travel pattern of three of his sons. Benjamin > went to Kansas and then came back to Westmoreland Co., PA. Thomas went to > Oregon and John (my ancestor) went to Somerset Co., PA at least the latter > part of his life. I have never found him with a wife in Westmoreland Co. > but then I have never found his marriage record either. Of all my > grandparents--this family seems to have traveled more than any other so > nothing would surprise me. I wondered about Armstrong County and farther > West. Frankly they could be in another state but somehow I don't think so. > This is about as frustrating as trying to find John's wife, Margaret McAdams > Geiger. Eleanor, I am getting confused now. Can you tell me the particulars on the deeds you are referring to for Benjamin above? Which Benjamin are we talking about and what time period? I will try to recap some of this and maybe you can pinpoint where you think something might be wrong with what I am stating. The very first time that a Benjamin Gigar appears on the Westmoreland County census is in 1820 when he appears in Unity Township. We had agreed (I think) that prior to that time he must have been living with other Geiger relatives since we know for a fact from church bapt. records that he was in Westmoreland way before 1820. If we are right that he was living with a relative of the same surname in Westmoreland in 1810 it would have to be one of the following: John Geiger in Washington Twp., Henry Geyer in Greensburg Borough, Henery Geyer Hempfield Twp., or George Geyer in S. Huntingdon Twp. Perhaps Dave Rankin of the Geyer list can help us to identify which of these Geyers we can weed out as being Geigers in disguise--since we know actual Geyers were also in Westmoreland. Our reason for assuming Benjamin was with other Geigers in 1810 is the fact that if he were living with someone with a different surname he should appear on the census index--but he does not. If he had the same surname as the head of household he was living with he would NOT appear on the census index. In 1830 Benjamin Keiger is the only person with the Geiger or Kiger surname living in Westmoreland and he is now in Salem Twp. By 1840 we have the following in Westmoreland County: Daniel Giger, Washington Twp. John Giger, Wahsington Twp. David Giger, Washington Twp. George Geiger, Unity Twp. Henry Geiger, Unity Twp. At no time is there more than ONE Benjamin Geiger or Kiger appearing on the census in Westmoreland but by 1850 we have the following Benjamins in Westmoreland and Somerset: Benjaman Giger in Unity Twp., Westmoreland Co. Benjamin Giger in Stoystown Borough, Somerset Co. Benjamin Geiger in Somerset Twp. Somerset Co. Do you know which ones are which? Also concerning the deeds which either include the wife or don't: in any deeds of SALE of land the wife MUST be named and must sign since her dower rights must be protected--this was the law. However, if the deed was for the purchase of land then the wife need not sign or even be named--a husband could PURCHASE as much land as he wanted without his wife's permission but could not sell any without her approval. Does this information make any difference to your interpretation of the deeds in question in helping to ascertain whether we are talking about one or more Benjamin Geigers? If a wife is not named for Benjamin on a deed of sale--then indeed he was not married at the time; but it would NOT mean that on a deed of purchase. Joan

Anyone out there who is a descendant of John Geiger who was a private in the South Carolina Militia (American Revolution)? He served in Colonel Waters' Regiment in the battle of Hobkirk's Hill, at Camden, SC. He was also active in furnishing supplies to the provincial Army? He supplies corn for militia use in 1782. In the SC Archives he is listed in the Indents. He is listed in "The Geigers of South Caorlina" by Percy L. Geiger, 1945. John Geiger January 8, 1748 - September 2, 1817 married in 1767 to Ann Murph April 15, 1742 - July 10, 1831 Thanks. Mary Sue Geiger

Joan: For the same reason I wondered if we should expand the search for Benjamin Geiger. I know there is a key somewhere in my new data I just haven't had the time to sit down with it and think about it. I plan to send you the material I have tomorrow. It is all copied but the Post Office at Battelle is closed today for some unknown reason. Eleanor > -----Original Message----- > From: JYoung6180@aol.com [SMTP:JYoung6180@aol.com] > Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 1998 10:03 AM > To: GEIGER-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [GEIGER-L] Geiger/Keiger a first! > > In a message dated 98-07-21 08:48:55 EDT, you write: > > > Dear Seekers: regarding the Lutheran and Reformed Union Church location > > (I should have been specific on this), it was located in Wellersburg, > > Somerset Co., PA. Wellersburg is just about on the state line, a bit > > northwest of Cumberland, MD. I don't know if there is a church > building > > still there...do any of you know? Shirley: bobert@panacom.com > > Eleanor, that makes me wonder if Carol should also be looking at Maryland > records as well. back in those days the state lines between PA and MD > were > not even always exact and moved back and forth many times in the ongoing > battles between the two states over boundary lines. > > Joan

Joan and Carol: The following message appeared this morning on the Somerset Co., PA site from the same person who sent the church list from Wellersburg. Carol, you might want to send her a message about the church records. Eleanor Dear Seekers: regarding the Lutheran and Reformed Union Church location (I should have been specific on this), it was located in Wellersburg, Somerset Co., PA. Wellersburg is just about on the state line, a bit northwest of Cumberland, MD. I don't know if there is a church building still there...do any of you know? Shirley: bobert@panacom.com > -----Original Message----- > From: JYoung6180@aol.com [SMTP:JYoung6180@aol.com] > Sent: Monday, July 20, 1998 9:14 PM > To: GEIGER-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [GEIGER-L] Geiger/Keiger a first! > > In a message dated 98-07-20 20:55:55 EDT, collins2@airmail.net writes: > > > Was it a > > common practice to have the children on more than one church record? > > Carol, they wouldn't have baptized the child twice but the family may > appear > in the registers of more than one church--I have seen that before. It > does > mean you need to take a close look at BOTH areas now. > > Joan

In a message dated 98-07-21 10:25:03 EDT, you write: > For the same reason I wondered if we should expand the search for > Benjamin Geiger. I know there is a key somewhere in my new data I just > haven't had the time to sit down with it and think about it. I plan to send > you the material I have tomorrow. It is all copied but the Post Office at > Battelle is closed today for some unknown reason. Eleanor, I agree--it never hurts to look at the big picture--MD and even WV need to be considered--we are doing that on a larger scale starting right now in working on the second part of the newsletter article on the Greene County, PA Kiger family who most assuredly has its roots in the many Geigers in these surrounding counties and states. Over the coming month or so on this list I plan to discuss my findings as they progress into these Geigers of Eastern and Western PA, Old Frederick County, MD and the northern border areas of what is now West Virginia--most notably Wetzel and Monongalia counties. Joan

In a message dated 98-07-21 08:48:55 EDT, you write: > Dear Seekers: regarding the Lutheran and Reformed Union Church location > (I should have been specific on this), it was located in Wellersburg, > Somerset Co., PA. Wellersburg is just about on the state line, a bit > northwest of Cumberland, MD. I don't know if there is a church building > still there...do any of you know? Shirley: bobert@panacom.com Eleanor, that makes me wonder if Carol should also be looking at Maryland records as well. back in those days the state lines between PA and MD were not even always exact and moved back and forth many times in the ongoing battles between the two states over boundary lines. Joan

Joan and Eleanor, Thanks so much for the information. Maybe we will find a connection in the Westmoreland area. I will keep you posted. Now about- William Aaron Keiger b. 4 Nov. 1829 Parents: Richard Keiger & Mary Sponsonrs: Sam Long & Susannna Baptized 18 July 1830 This information is the same as White Oak Church (Southampton and Greenville Twp.)records except for the Keiger spelling. This is my first link to the Keiger spelling and to the Wellersburg Area. Was it a common practice to have the children on more than one church record? ( Also - Wm. Aaron Geiger was one of seven of the first recorded baptisms of the Grace White Oak Chruch on July 18, 1830. )

In a message dated 98-07-20 20:55:55 EDT, collins2@airmail.net writes: > Was it a > common practice to have the children on more than one church record? Carol, they wouldn't have baptized the child twice but the family may appear in the registers of more than one church--I have seen that before. It does mean you need to take a close look at BOTH areas now. Joan

Myers, Eleanor L wrote: > > Joan: Does anyone know what Westmoreland Co., PA looked like (in size) from > 1800 to say 1832? What counties split out after that. I forgot to look at > that when I was there earlier this month. I think I need to widen my search > since I know that Benjamin Geiger sold his land in that time period. Don't > have my Geiger material here today so I cannot look at exact date. Eleanor > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: JYoung6180@aol.com [SMTP:JYoung6180@aol.com] > > Sent: Monday, July 20, 1998 2:02 PM > > To: GEIGER-L@rootsweb.com > > Subject: Re: [GEIGER-L] Geiger/Keiger > > > > In a message dated 98-07-20 13:28:56 EDT, you write: > > > > > I am sure these are not my Geiger family. I reviewed it as I always > > > review Lutheran records looking to see if I could find my own and > > decided > > > they were not but in the interest of helping someone else I put it on > > the > > > list > > > > Eleanor, I know they are not your Geigers--but I do believe Carol Collins > > will > > be most interested. I am sure they are referring to HER Geigers. So > > yes--you > > are right--when you come across something that doesn't help you but > > concerns > > Geigers--post it to the list it will surely help someone else. > > > > Joan Eleanor, I would be most interested in your info. I am in the middle of the 1810-1850 census with more John Geiger's than I know what to do with. Then there is always Richard/Deidrich Geiger and his family. Westmoreland County was the first county of the colony of PA erected west of the Allegheny Mountains. It was formed from Bedford in 1782. Bedford was formed on March 9, 1771 from Western Cumberland. Sorry I can not provide more, I have a doctors appt at 2. Carol

Found the following on various sites - maybe some of this will help someone. Egypt Reformed Church Records 1734-1807 Susanna Geiger, daughter of Jacob and Eva Catherina Geiger baptized February 5, 1786. sp. Peter Schreiber and Susanna Kern Jacob Geiger - a clockmaker died 1798 Children: Jacob, Catharina, Marie (wife of Solomon Steckel), Sarah (wife of Jonas Traxel - later moved to Cassel Co., Maryland). Widow Eva Catherine Kern Geiger married Adam Traxel, died Aug. 23, 1829. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Lehigh Church, Lower Macungie Township, Church Records 1750-1790 Confirmation records April 5, 1789 Sarah Keiger, age 17, JK (father's initials as sponsor?) Maria Keiger, age 15, JK (father's initials, as sponsor?) * * * * * * * * * **** * * * * * * * * Philadelphia Pennsylvania ship's passenger lists Hans Jerrick Guyger September 18, 1727 to Philadelphia from Rotterdam aboard the William & Sarah * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Hope someone finds these items a help. Sue

Joan: Does anyone know what Westmoreland Co., PA looked like (in size) from 1800 to say 1832? What counties split out after that. I forgot to look at that when I was there earlier this month. I think I need to widen my search since I know that Benjamin Geiger sold his land in that time period. Don't have my Geiger material here today so I cannot look at exact date. Eleanor > -----Original Message----- > From: JYoung6180@aol.com [SMTP:JYoung6180@aol.com] > Sent: Monday, July 20, 1998 2:02 PM > To: GEIGER-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [GEIGER-L] Geiger/Keiger > > In a message dated 98-07-20 13:28:56 EDT, you write: > > > I am sure these are not my Geiger family. I reviewed it as I always > > review Lutheran records looking to see if I could find my own and > decided > > they were not but in the interest of helping someone else I put it on > the > > list > > Eleanor, I know they are not your Geigers--but I do believe Carol Collins > will > be most interested. I am sure they are referring to HER Geigers. So > yes--you > are right--when you come across something that doesn't help you but > concerns > Geigers--post it to the list it will surely help someone else. > > Joan

Joan: I am sure these are not my Geiger family. I reviewed it as I always review Lutheran records looking to see if I could find my own and decided they were not but in the interest of helping someone else I put it on the list. Eleanor > -----Original Message----- > From: JYoung6180@aol.com [SMTP:JYoung6180@aol.com] > Sent: Monday, July 20, 1998 12:55 PM > To: GEIGER-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [GEIGER-L] Geiger/Keiger > > In a message dated 98-07-20 12:01:02 EDT, you write: > > > This morning on the Somerset Co., PA site a gentlemen posted information > on > > the Lutheran Reformed Union Church Register of Wellersburg, PA. I am > not > > familiar with Wellersburg but I assume it was or is in Somerset Co. I > found > > the following on his list: > > > > Lydia Geiger b 14 Apr 1824 > > Parents: John Geirger & Esther > > Baptized Oct 1824 > > > > William Aaron Keiger b 4 Nov 1829 > > Parents: Richard Keiger & Mary > > Sponsors: Sam Long & Susanna > > Baptized 18 July 1830 > > Eleanor, this would most definitely appear to be referring to the Geigers > that > Carol Collins has previously posted to this list in her message of 7/7/98. > If > you wish to review that message remember my instructions to the list for > viewing the archived list messages at Rootsweb's Website. > > Joan

-----Original Message----- From: NEC Preferred Customer <hrw3@worldnet.att.net> To: JMiller789@aol.com <JMiller789@aol.com> Date: Monday, July 20, 1998 12:25 PM Subject: Re: Cornelius Geiger >Dot, Thanks for the info. However, it is the wrong Cornelius. To >make it easier, I have listed the following: > Hans Ulrich and Appolonia have a son Cornelius born 1 Feb. 1774. >Abraham and Mercy have sons Cornelius and David. >David and Luch Bennet have a son Cornelius, born 17 Oct., 1815 who >marries Martha Rushing. >It is Abrahams other son, Cornelius for whom I search. I have never >seen a date of birth posted for him in any file in which he is >mentioned. I have never seen any other info on him at all except that >he is a son of Abraham. It is this Cornelius I seek. I believe he is >the father of the next Cornelius, born June 21, 1821. The only >records I find for him outside of a family bible listing is that he >was buried in the Homeward Cemetery in Wayne, Co. According to Bible >records, he was also born in Wayne Co. Now Felix and his sons >obviously also resided in Wayne and the children of Felix would be >born around the same time as Cornelius. It is only through the >memories of an Aunt that indicate my Cornelius' father was of the same >name--Cornelius--and that he had an Uncle or Brother named Abraham >Harroll. There was also a Louis mentioned and the fact that he may >have ended up in Mississippi. There are no other names mentioned by >the Aunt. Now if Abraham Harroll is born in 1803 and is the brother >of Cornelius, then it is very likely my Cornelius is the son of that >Cornelius. >Confusing, isn't it!!!!!!Anyway, that it how I think it goes, but not >being able to find any records so far, it is just a theory. >Sincerely, Susan at hrw3@worldnet.att.net >-----Original Message----- >From: JMiller789@aol.com <JMiller789@aol.com> >To: NEC Preferred Customer <hrw3@worldnet.att.net> >Date: Monday, July 20, 1998 10:37 AM >Subject: Cornelius Geiger > > >>In looking thru my papers I came across a Census of Bullock Co, Ga >for 1850. >>You might already have this or it might not help but I will send it >anyway. >>Gigger, Cornlius 34 M w Farmer >> Martha(Rushing) 35 f >> Ann 13 f >> Julia 11f >> Lydia 11f >> Mary 9 f >> David 7m >> Susan 5f >> Laving 5f >> William 2m >>looks like they had 2 sets of twins. >>hope it helps >>Dot >> >> >

In a message dated 98-07-20 14:25:40 EDT, you write: > Egypt Reformed Church Records 1734-1807 > Susanna Geiger, daughter of Jacob and Eva Catherina Geiger baptized > February 5, 1786. > sp. Peter Schreiber and Susanna Kern Sue, I will take a stab at some of these--the Geigers in the Egypt Reformed Church records are somwhat of a mystery and I did address them in the posting I recently made to this list concerning the Two John Adam Geigers of Berks County. The families who are obviously allied with the Geigers in the Egypt Ref. Church records--Kern, Troxel/Drachsel, Schreiber, et al are all from the town of Lembach, Alsace, where there were also Geigers living at the same time (MY Geigers). So far I have not found the connection I think must be there. > > Jacob Geiger - a clockmaker died 1798 > Children: Jacob, Catharina, Marie (wife of Solomon Steckel), Sarah (wife of > Jonas Traxel - later moved to Cassel Co., Maryland). Widow Eva Catherine > Kern Geiger married Adam Traxel, died Aug. 23, 1829. Again the Geigers above are from the Egypt Church--Cassel Co., MD is really Carroll County and is misspelled in the church record as Cassel. > > * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * > > Lehigh Church, Lower Macungie Township, Church Records 1750-1790 > Confirmation records > April 5, 1789 > Sarah Keiger, age 17, JK (father's initials as sponsor?) > Maria Keiger, age 15, JK (father's initials, as sponsor?) The 1790 PA census shows 2 Jacob Geigers in this area: Jacob Gyger Heidelberg Twp., Northampton Co. and Jacob Giger of Salisbury Twp., Northampton Co. No doubt this is Jacob, Sr. and Jr. The book "The Geiger Family and the History of the Heidelberg Church" (which I have copied courtesy of John Kiger) states in the introduction: "There arrived in this country two brothers, Jacob and Jeremias Geiger. They took possession of a vacant tract of land, which afterwards became the old homestead, and improved it. My forefathers tell me, that on some very hot day, Jeremias drank too much cold spring water and took sick and died. Hence we must all be descendants of Jacob Geiger." John J. Geiger (compiler of the book). "Jacob Geiger, the pioneer, was a native of Wurtemberg, Germany, and sailed to America, in the ship 'Duke of Bedford' under Richard Jefferson, Master, and with him were 138 men on board. He landed at the port of Philadelphia on September 14, 1751. About the year 1755 he moved and took possession of a vacant tract of land and improved it, and by virtue of a warrant dated the 11th day of June, 1785, (surveyed July 5, 1785), to Jacob Geiger, the pioneer, the following described tract of land situate in Heidelberg Township, Northampton County (now Washington Township, Lehigh County), Pa." The book goes on to say that no accurate record exists for the birth and death of Jaocb and his wife Catherine but they are believed to be buried at Heidelberg Church. They had twins, Jacob and Eva, born September 19, 1769. Eva may have died as there is no further record of her after her bapt. at 5 days of age. There is also no further proof that any other children were born to Jacob and Catherine. Much has been learned about these Geigers since this book was written and it is obvious that this is Jacob the clockmaker referred to above who died in 1798 and who did indeed have living children other than Jacob, Jr. at that time as indicated above. I would question the accuracy of the book as to the origins of Jacob Geiger, Sr. without further proof in view of the many errors and omissions so far discovered in it. The book states that the son Jacob Geiger, Jr. married Abelonia Baer. They had 7 children: 1. Maria Barbara who married John Semmel 2. Jacob who married Maria Kunkel 3. Elizabeth who married John George Rex 4. Henry who married Maria Peter 5. Jonas who married Maria Peter 6. John who married first to Susanna Baer and second to Elizaebth Rex 7. Salome who married Peter Snyder. > > * * * * * * * * * **** * * * * * * * * > > Philadelphia Pennsylvania ship's passenger lists > > Hans Jerrick Guyger > September 18, 1727 to Philadelphia from Rotterdam aboard the William & > Sarah > Hans Jerg (Jerick) Geiger (Guyger) to Pennsylvania 1727 from Beihingen, W�rttemburg, Germany along with his wife Barbara (nee Oberhans) daughter of Melchior Oberhans, and children Johann Kaspar, born 1710, and daughters Elisabet Katharina born 1712 and Anna Klara born 1717. There was also a Johanes Hendrick Gyger on the same ship but it is not know if, or how, he is related to Hans Jerg Guyger. He is not mentioned in the records of Beihingen, W�rttemburg. Joan

This morning on the Somerset Co., PA site a gentlemen posted information on the Lutheran Reformed Union Church Register of Wellersburg, PA. I am not familiar with Wellersburg but I assume it was or is in Somerset Co. I found the following on his list: Lydia Geiger b 14 Apr 1824 Parents: John Geirger & Esther Baptized Oct 1824 William Aaron Keiger b 4 Nov 1829 Parents: Richard Keiger & Mary Sponsors: Sam Long & Susanna Baptized 18 July 1830 Under new members: Elizabeth Geiger joined 26 Oct 1823 In a list of people receiving communion on several occasions I found no Geiger or Keiger names. Hope this helps someone! Eleanor L. Myers myersel@battelle.org