Hello everyone, 1st let me introduce myself. To all my fellow researchers on these list I am new but have been here for a month just listening and reading. I have been corresponding with Joan for about year off and on. I just recently made a major break threw on my GEIGER research. She sujected I should post it to all of you.. With in the last 2 weeks I have found so much information that my head has been swimming in cloud 9,10 and so on.. I grew up listening to the stories of my ggreatgrandfather John B. Geiger. But none of his family in Alsace. His death certificate is even as elusive as them.. I even backed off from researching my Geiger family cause I got tired of the closed door.. Finally I received his Naturalization papers in the mail along with family sheets from the daughter of John's first son.. In these papers I found a name of a town "Bergheim, France.. You see all the stories were of Germany not of France. I took a chance and ordered civil records of "Bergheim, France". When the film arrived I went to the year he was born 1/23/1852. Low and Behold John B. Geiger was #9 on the list.. Then it came to a surprise that his name is actually "Jean Bapstite Geiger". Yes, name's are translated when they enter in to Unisted States. As I further looked at this record, by the way is in French, I found that his fathers name is JOSEPH GEIGER and mother is MARIE ANNE GRENIZ. On his death certificate his father is listed as JON with mother UNKNOWN. Who every gave the information on him didn't even know. Looking even further at these records I found 2 siblings a brother with their mothers name reversed but last name spelled GRENIER. His sister has the same name as mother but her last name spelling is as it is on John's records. After this I went back to look at the GERMAN'S TO AMERICA books. I found him again and the ship. My friend at the library knew how long I have been betting my head on the wall.. The ships name is ERIN year Aug 31, 1872. The next day I ordered ships records. So no matter how long it takes you in your research. Take the hunch on the smallest clue it may pay off. Cindi

I am trying to discover the truth about the parentage of my ancestress, Anna Maria Geiger. She was born about 1750-5 and was married to William Stafford in 1773 at the old Ebenezer Lutheran Church in Effingham Co., GA. They had three known children: Mary, Abraham and Dinah. Mary (my line) married Simeon Travis of Warren Co., GA, son of William Travis and Abigail Denmark. Sometime in the late 1700s, William Stafford died and a Mary Stafford, widow, transferred personal property to her mother, Ann Mary Magdeline Geiger, in Effingham Co., GA. Later, Anna Maria (or Ann Mary or Mary Ann) was married to Jacob Hoffman/Huffman and removed to Bulloch Co., GA. Huffman died by 1812/3 and Simeon Travis was administrator of his estate. My question. Was this Anna Maria (AKA Mary, Ann Mary) Geiger Stafford Huffman the daughter of Ulrich Geiger? Since he did have a daughter named Mary Huffman, but per many sources his wife was named Apolonia. I know that the deed which sold Ulrich's land was dated after the death of Jacob Huffman so, as his widow she could have transacted business without her husband signature. You see, so many things point to my Mary Huffman being Ulrich's daughter, but the problem of Ann Mary Magdeline and Apologia makes me have some doubts. John H. Smallwood, Jr. 18949 Marsh Lane # 1417 Dallas, TX 75287 972-306-9578

In a message dated 98-07-22 23:19:55 EDT, tcjohnson@sprintmail.com writes: > I grew up listening to the stories of my > ggreatgrandfather John B. Geiger. But none of his > family in Alsace. Cindi, what a wonderful story of encouragement for others who are still searching. One comment on the geography of Alsace. For those of us who have Geiger ancestors in Alsace (and there are more of us than many realize) Bergheim is located just north of Colmar. It would not be at all unusual for those of Germanic background who lived in Alsace to refer to it as being in Germany--since the borders changed many times. One other comment regarding the name of Jon appearing on the death certificate for John B. Geiger's father and Joseph appearing in the Bergheim records. He could have been Johann Joseph and only used the name Joseph or as you say the person who was giving the information may not have known the father's name. Congratulations on your new discoveries and may it only be the beginning. Joan

I received the following message posted to my website Guestbook regarding Geiger's and Kigers. You may want to visit Sara's page if you have not seen it. 07/17/98 06:55:53 Name: Sara Binkley Tarpley My URL: http://www.geocities.com/~kena159/ My Email: Email Me: kena159@aol.com Comments: Enjoyed my visit to your page. I have a few Geiger's and Kigers in my data. Maria Margaretha Geiger (sometimes shown as Anna Margaretha) was the second wife of my gggg grandfather Peter Binkley of Bethania, NC. I have a few Geiger's who married into the Moser family in my data, and also Kigers of Robertson Co., TN, who married into the Binkley and Frey families there. Debbie Turner debbiet@iss2000.com

Sharon: Henry Geiger had 2 males 16-26, 2 males 26-45, 2 females under age 10, 1 female age 10-16, 1 female 16-26, and 1 female 26-45. He is listed in Hempfield Twp., Westmoreland Co., PA. The number 1218 is before his surname and the page is 859. Hope this helps. Eleanor > -----Original Message----- > From: SharCraig@aol.com [SMTP:SharCraig@aol.com] > Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 1998 4:41 PM > To: GEIGER-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [GEIGER-L] Benjamin Geiger > > On the 1810 census in Westmoreland Co. you mention a Henry Giger in > Hempfield Twp. could you give me the # of males and Females etc for that > Henry. > > Sharon

Hi all. I'm new to this list and hope to make some connections. Researching the family of Paul E. GEIGER b.21OCT1848 Schechingen, Wuerttemburg, Germany. Immigrated to Philadelphia through NY. Married Caroline THEIS in 1873. Died in Boston, MA 03DEC1897. His parents were Franz GEIGER of Ellwangen, Germany and Anna ROTHENBACHER of Gundershofen, Germany. He had 8 brothers and sisters. His brother Franz also immigrated to NY but I've found no trace of him after arrival . Looking for anyone connected to this family and any knowledge of missing Franz b. 13APR1851. Christine

In a message dated 98-07-22 19:30:16 EDT, you write: > I received the following message posted to my website Guestbook regarding > Geiger's and Kigers. You may want to visit Sara's page if you have not seen > it. > Debbie, Bless your heart! This is MOST intriguing! I am MOST interested in those Robertson County, TN Kigers and also in Anna Margaretha Geiger who was the second wife of Peter Binkley. The North Carolina Kigers need to take an interest in this since most are Binkley, and practically ALL are Moser, descendants (often through multiple intermarriages). I think it is highly likely that Anna Margaretha Geiger is related in some still unknown way to John Adam Geiger. Of interest is the fact that we do know where Anna Margaretha Geiger was born (Bissingen on the Entz, Wuerttemberg) and when she was born (18 January 1722). Her first husband, Johannes Shemel/Shamel died in PA and she remarried in 1749 at First Moravian Church in York to Peter Binkley. Joan

It would be so helpful if you put the state that counties are in......plezzzzz. I'm researching the Geigers from the south....and really not acquainted with the counties in states other than FL. Mary Phillips Orlando, FL

In a message dated 98-07-22 16:43:32 EDT, you write: > On the 1810 census in Westmoreland Co. you mention a Henry Giger in > Hempfield Twp. could you give me the # of males and Females etc for that > Henry. Sharon, Henry has 2 males ages 16-26, 2 males 26-45, 2 females 1-10, 1 female 10-16, 1 female 16-26, and 1 female 26-45. Thanks to Eleanor for sending that information to me! One note--his name is spelled Geiger and not Giger on the census copy Eleanor sent me. Joan Joan

On the 1810 census in Westmoreland Co. you mention a Henry Giger in Hempfield Twp. could you give me the # of males and Females etc for that Henry. Sharon

Hi Eleanor, I just wrote to this Teresa. I MAY be connect to the Kuhns/Kuntz family in this memo. I know that Sue Brunot certainly is but I don't have her e-mail. Sue has a David Kuhns/Kuntz, who in fact had a son Columbus who settled in All. Co. This David lived in Conemaugh Twp., Indiana County in the vicinity of P. O. Tunnelton/ Saltsburg area. If there's any connection for me, it would be that my John Kuhns/Kuntz (same place), may be a brother to David. John Kuhns/Kuntz, b. 1814, d. 1866 m. Louisa Barker, b. MD. Thanks for the post. Myers, Eleanor L wrote: > GEIGER/KUHNS > > Posted by Teresa <sg136@westol.com> on Mon, 9 Feb 1998, at > 8:47 p.m. > > I am looking for any information on the family of Daniel GEIGER and Mary Ann > KUHNS m. 1861. Children were Sarah b. > 1862, Sylvester b.1865, Grant b. 1866, Louis b. 1867 Columbus K. b Sep 17, > 1869, Mary b 1870, Josephine b. 1871 and > David b. 1872. The family lived in Iowa for awhile. Children were sent to > live with uncle, Columbus KUHNS in > Paintertown,(Penn Twp.) PA in 1879 when parents were divorced. Daniel GEIGER > was last seen in 1883 in Westmoreland > Co. Jail for stealing a horse. I would like to find out what happened to > Daniel. Thank you. > > The above request was posted on the Westmoreland site in February. There > have been no replies to it that I know of. I am so amused by the story I > thought someone should help her. Eleanor > > Eleanor L. Myers > myersel@battelle.org -- Blessings, Connie Mayo http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Ranch/1612/index.html The Lydick Connection--See MASTER INDEX-136 files! He is risen from the dead and He is Lord!

GEIGER/KUHNS Posted by Teresa <sg136@westol.com> on Mon, 9 Feb 1998, at 8:47 p.m. I am looking for any information on the family of Daniel GEIGER and Mary Ann KUHNS m. 1861. Children were Sarah b. 1862, Sylvester b.1865, Grant b. 1866, Louis b. 1867 Columbus K. b Sep 17, 1869, Mary b 1870, Josephine b. 1871 and David b. 1872. The family lived in Iowa for awhile. Children were sent to live with uncle, Columbus KUHNS in Paintertown,(Penn Twp.) PA in 1879 when parents were divorced. Daniel GEIGER was last seen in 1883 in Westmoreland Co. Jail for stealing a horse. I would like to find out what happened to Daniel. Thank you. The above request was posted on the Westmoreland site in February. There have been no replies to it that I know of. I am so amused by the story I thought someone should help her. Eleanor Eleanor L. Myers myersel@battelle.org

Joan: I enclosed the sheet that I copied that from in the things I sent you. The spellings were all Geiger but someone may have been creative. I am getting wiser in my researching and the next time I go to Westmoreland I will be able to look further. Eleanor > -----Original Message----- > From: JYoung6180@aol.com [SMTP:JYoung6180@aol.com] > Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 1998 10:50 AM > To: GEIGER-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [GEIGER-L] Benjamin Geiger > > Eleanor, I am glad you were able to actually check those census > records--the > index I was using was the Broderbund index for Westmoreland for 1810 which > only shows the John Geiger in Washington Township--no other Geigers are > shown > in Westmoreland in 1810. The index shows 2 Henry Geyers--one in > Greensburg > and the other in Hempfield and a George in S. Huntingdon. So my confusion > is > resulting from omissions in the CD I guess and not actual omissions on the > census itself. Were the spellings for all of those Geigers I am > missing--GEIGER? Or might the problem be one of creative spellings that I > had > not checked? > > Now if we could find Benjamin Geiger on the 1800 census we would have a > better > idea in tracking his migration. I guess I cannot trust my Cd Index for > that > year either. I will have to check the actual printed Index for Geiger for > 1800. > > Joan

Can anyone help with this request? > I am trying to discover the truth about the parentage of my ancestress, Anna > Maria Geiger. She was born about 1750-5 and was married to William Stafford > in 1773 at the old Ebenezer Lutheran Church in Effingham Co., GA. They had > three known children: Mary, Abraham and Dinah. Mary (my line) married > Simeon Travis of Warren Co., GA, son of William Travis and Abigail Denmark. > > Sometime in the late 1700s, William Stafford died and a Mary Stafford, > widow, transferred personal property to her mother, Ann Mary Magdeline > Geiger, in Effingham Co., GA. Later, Anna Maria (or Ann Mary or Mary Ann) > was married to Jacob Hoffman/Huffman and removed to Bulloch Co., GA. > Huffman died by 1812/3 and Simeon Travis was administrator of his estate. > > My question. Was this Anna Maria (AKA Mary, Ann Mary) Geiger Stafford > Huffman the daughter of Ulrich Geiger? Since he did have a daughter named > Mary Huffman, but per many sources his wife was named Apolonia. I know that > the deed which sold Ulrich's land was dated after the death of Jacob Huffman > so, as his widow she could have transacted business without her husband > signature. > > You see, so many things point to my Mary Huffman being Ulrich's daughter, > but the problem of Ann Mary Magdeline and Apologia makes me have some > doubts. > > John H. Smallwood, Jr. > Dallas, TX 75287 jhs1964@gte.net

Joan, I just sent a list of Geigers in Westmoreland Co., in the 1810 census to the list. I also sent you a hard copy in the package you will receive today. Eleanor > -----Original Message----- > From: JYoung6180@aol.com [SMTP:JYoung6180@aol.com] > Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 1998 9:47 PM > To: GEIGER-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [GEIGER-L] Benjamin Geiger > > In a message dated 98-07-21 21:29:12 EDT, you write: > > > I noticed that Benjamin and Catharina Geiger had three children baptized > in > > First Lutheran Church, Greensburg, PA, on 22 or 28 Sep 1811. This > sounds > > like a newly arrived family. Even though Benjamin Geiger may have made > a > > land purchase in 1806, he may not have moved his family to Westmoreland > > > County until 1811. This would explain his absence from the 1810 census. > > > > Dave, well--it would be nice if I could find this Benjamin somewhere in > 1810 > and even in 1800, and I have looked just about everywhere I can think > of--we > know he was in Dauphin County (North Annville which is now in Lebanon > County) > in 1798 having son John baptized. Then he doesn't show up on any census > in PA > until 1820. The only Benjamin is a Benjamin Geyer in Germantown, Phila. > Co. > that you and I have discussed before. So that is why I believe Benjamin > Geiger must be living in a household with someone else in 1800 and 1810 no > matter where that might be. I said before that I thought it had to be > another > Geiger who was head of household but I am not sure that is true in 1800 > and > 1810--I think it would only be 1850 on when someone with a different > surname > would be listed in census indexes even if they were not head of household. > So > Eleanor's thoughts about the family living with in-laws could well be > true. > > Thanks for you help. At least we can rule a Benjamin Geyer out of the > equation. > > Joan

Dave: I am the person looking for the Benjamin Geiger. I just wanted to let you know that a Benjamin Geiger does show on the Tax Lists for 1810 as being in Hempfield Twp., Westmoreland Co. He shows as Benj. Giger (weaver). There is also a Henry Giger on the same list in the same Twp. In the 1810 census for Westmoreland Co., PA it shows a Benj. Geiger in Unity Twp. with three males under 10, 1 male 10-16, 1 male 26-45 and 1 female under 10, one female 10-16, and one female 45 and up. Same census shows Henry Geiger in Hempfield Twp. with 2 males 16-26, 2 males 26-45, 2 females under 10, 1 female 10-16, 1 female 16-26, 1 female 26-45. There is a John Geiger in Unity Twp. with 2 males under 10, 2 males 16 to 26, 2 males 45 and up, 1 female 16-26, one female 26-45, and 1 female 45 and up. There is a John Geiger in Washington Twp. with 2 males under 10, 1 male 45 and up, 1 female under 10, 3 females 10-16, 2 females 16-26 and 1 female 45 and up. There is a Michael Geiger in Greensberg Twp. with 5 males under 10, 1 male 26-45, 1 female 26-45, and 1 other. I have not had a chance to digest all of this but maybe it will help others. Eleanor > -----Original Message----- > From: daverk@gte.net [SMTP:daverk@gte.net] > Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 1998 9:28 PM > To: GEIGER-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [GEIGER-L] Benjamin Geiger > > On Tue, 21 Jul 1998, <JYoung6180@aol.com> wrote: > >I am wondering whether Benjamin Gigher from > >the 1806 deed may actually be a Geyer from Dave Rankin's ancestor Casper > >Geyer's line. I am copying him on this so he won't miss the question (OK > > >Dave I know you wouldn't miss it anyway--but I hate to wait for you to > get > >your digest to hear what you have to say on the matter). His Casper > Geyer > >was in Westmoreland and the family was allied with the Beelers--which is > >what is making me wonder about a possible connection in this case. > > > > I think I can safely say that there is no Benjamin GEYER in Westmoreland > County, PA, during the period in question. There are two Geyer families in > > early Westmoreland Co. One was my Casper's family in Rostraver township. > All > of this family except one married daughter, Mary Fell, moved to Ohio by > 1815. There was no Benjamin in this family until after their arrival in > Ohio. The other Geyer family(ies) seem to all be descendants of Johann > Wilhelm Geyer. I am developing a fair early history of this family and > there > is no Benjamin in his family. > > I noticed that Benjamin and Catharina Geiger had three children baptized > in > First Lutheran Church, Greensburg, PA, on 22 or 28 Sep 1811. This sounds > like a newly arrived family. Even though Benjamin Geiger may have made a > land purchase in 1806, he may not have moved his family to Westmoreland > County until 1811. This would explain his absence from the 1810 census. > > > 1806 - Peter Bealer to Benjamin Gigher (may or may not be the right > > Geiger) - Land in Hempfield Twp., Westmoreland Co., PA > > I don't have enough information on the Beeler family to explain who Peter > Bealer is. > > >John Geiger in Washington Twp., Henry Geyer in Greensburg Borough, Henery > >Geyer Hempfield Twp., or George Geyer in S. Huntingdon Twp. Perhaps Dave > >Rankin of the Geyer list can help us to identify which of these Geyers we > > >can weed out as being Geigers in disguise--since we know actual Geyers > were > >also in Westmoreland. > > My information is still a little shaky outside of Casper's family. One of > the Henry's is surely a descendant of Johann Wilhelm Geyer. I cannot be > sure > of any of the others. They could go either way. Even though I have fair > understanding of the names of the descendants of Johann Wilhelm Geyer, I > don't yet have a good handle on where they were. > > Dave Rankin > Geyer mailing list sponsor > Home Page: http://home1.gte.net/daverk

Eleanor, I am glad you were able to actually check those census records--the index I was using was the Broderbund index for Westmoreland for 1810 which only shows the John Geiger in Washington Township--no other Geigers are shown in Westmoreland in 1810. The index shows 2 Henry Geyers--one in Greensburg and the other in Hempfield and a George in S. Huntingdon. So my confusion is resulting from omissions in the CD I guess and not actual omissions on the census itself. Were the spellings for all of those Geigers I am missing--GEIGER? Or might the problem be one of creative spellings that I had not checked? Now if we could find Benjamin Geiger on the 1800 census we would have a better idea in tracking his migration. I guess I cannot trust my Cd Index for that year either. I will have to check the actual printed Index for Geiger for 1800. Joan

In a message dated 98-07-22 09:43:43 EDT, rkiger@state.de.us writes: > Just an observation on deed recordation procedures before the era of > photocopying: Cousin Richard, thanks so much for sharing your expertise with us on this topic. I think it is very important for us all to copy and remember your message as we examine courthouse copies in the future! Joan

On Tue, 21 Jul 1998, <JYoung6180@aol.com> wrote: >I am wondering whether Benjamin Gigher from >the 1806 deed may actually be a Geyer from Dave Rankin's ancestor Casper >Geyer's line. I am copying him on this so he won't miss the question (OK >Dave I know you wouldn't miss it anyway--but I hate to wait for you to get >your digest to hear what you have to say on the matter). His Casper Geyer >was in Westmoreland and the family was allied with the Beelers--which is >what is making me wonder about a possible connection in this case. > I think I can safely say that there is no Benjamin GEYER in Westmoreland County, PA, during the period in question. There are two Geyer families in early Westmoreland Co. One was my Casper's family in Rostraver township. All of this family except one married daughter, Mary Fell, moved to Ohio by 1815. There was no Benjamin in this family until after their arrival in Ohio. The other Geyer family(ies) seem to all be descendants of Johann Wilhelm Geyer. I am developing a fair early history of this family and there is no Benjamin in his family. I noticed that Benjamin and Catharina Geiger had three children baptized in First Lutheran Church, Greensburg, PA, on 22 or 28 Sep 1811. This sounds like a newly arrived family. Even though Benjamin Geiger may have made a land purchase in 1806, he may not have moved his family to Westmoreland County until 1811. This would explain his absence from the 1810 census. > 1806 - Peter Bealer to Benjamin Gigher (may or may not be the right > Geiger) - Land in Hempfield Twp., Westmoreland Co., PA I don't have enough information on the Beeler family to explain who Peter Bealer is. >John Geiger in Washington Twp., Henry Geyer in Greensburg Borough, Henery >Geyer Hempfield Twp., or George Geyer in S. Huntingdon Twp. Perhaps Dave >Rankin of the Geyer list can help us to identify which of these Geyers we >can weed out as being Geigers in disguise--since we know actual Geyers were >also in Westmoreland. My information is still a little shaky outside of Casper's family. One of the Henry's is surely a descendant of Johann Wilhelm Geyer. I cannot be sure of any of the others. They could go either way. Even though I have fair understanding of the names of the descendants of Johann Wilhelm Geyer, I don't yet have a good handle on where they were. Dave Rankin Geyer mailing list sponsor Home Page: http://home1.gte.net/daverk

In a message dated 98-07-21 21:29:12 EDT, you write: > I noticed that Benjamin and Catharina Geiger had three children baptized in > First Lutheran Church, Greensburg, PA, on 22 or 28 Sep 1811. This sounds > like a newly arrived family. Even though Benjamin Geiger may have made a > land purchase in 1806, he may not have moved his family to Westmoreland > County until 1811. This would explain his absence from the 1810 census. > Dave, well--it would be nice if I could find this Benjamin somewhere in 1810 and even in 1800, and I have looked just about everywhere I can think of--we know he was in Dauphin County (North Annville which is now in Lebanon County) in 1798 having son John baptized. Then he doesn't show up on any census in PA until 1820. The only Benjamin is a Benjamin Geyer in Germantown, Phila. Co. that you and I have discussed before. So that is why I believe Benjamin Geiger must be living in a household with someone else in 1800 and 1810 no matter where that might be. I said before that I thought it had to be another Geiger who was head of household but I am not sure that is true in 1800 and 1810--I think it would only be 1850 on when someone with a different surname would be listed in census indexes even if they were not head of household. So Eleanor's thoughts about the family living with in-laws could well be true. Thanks for you help. At least we can rule a Benjamin Geyer out of the equation. Joan