I know, it was a joke. I have a BA in history and have been a genealogist for nearly 20 years. -----Original Message----- From: JYoung6180@aol.com <JYoung6180@aol.com> To: GEIGER-L@rootsweb.com <GEIGER-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Saturday, July 25, 1998 11:42 AM Subject: Re: [GEIGER-L] GEIGER, Catholic Priest in Penn. Can anyone identify him? In a message dated 98-07-25 11:22:12 EDT, jhs1964@gte.net writes: > My Geigers where protestants who fled for their lives!!! No priests here! John, you will find a vast array of religions among the Geigers--Protestants, Catholics, and Jews. Knowing about their religious history can go a long way towards identifying where they may have originated. It can be safely stated that the early Colonial Geigers arriving in America before the Revolution were mostly Protestant with only two exceptions that I am aware of. My Geigers, Matthias and Anna Mary (Halter) Geiger, who arrived in Philadelphia in 1738 on the Snow Two Sisters were definitely Catholic at the time of their arrival in America and for a number of years prior to that while living in Lembach, Alsace. They faced persecution in New Jersey until the Revolution due to their Catholic faith. Also, according to Annette Burgert's book 18th Century Emigrants from the Northern Kraichgau to North America, Anna Maria Geiger who was from Ehrstädt, Germany was from a Catholic Geiger family. Anna Maria married Melchior Shöner/Shaner who was a Lutheran. They emigrated to America in 1742 on the Ship Francis and Elizabeth. Anna Maria came to America as a Lutheran after her marriage to Melchior Shöner and the couple settled in New Hanover Township, in what is now Montgomery County, PA. Later Geiger immigrants to America in the mid 1800s on up to current times are as likely to be Catholic, or even Jewish, as Protestant. Joan

My Geigers where protestants who fled for their lives!!! No priests here! -----Original Message----- From: JYoung6180@aol.com <JYoung6180@aol.com> To: GEIGER-L@rootsweb.com <GEIGER-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Saturday, July 25, 1998 9:37 AM Subject: [GEIGER-L] GEIGER, Catholic Priest in Penn. Can anyone identify him? >A friend just passed this note along to me and I thought I would see whether >anyone on the list has any idea who this GEIGER is. He was a Jesuit Priest in >Pennsylvania. Unfortunately no first name is given for this Priest--it merely >says GEIGER in the book. The book also does not give us any exact time frame >to help further identify Father Geiger. Can anyone identify him? > >I have an old out of print book, "Old Jesuit Trails in Penn's Forest" by Leo >Gregory >Fink. On page 169 it reads, "In addition to the Jesuit missionaries from >Goshenhoppen and Haycock, other priests came later to care for the Catholics >of >the entire Lehigh Valley from Easton and Bethlehem. The most famous of these >priests were the Fathers Gustenake, Tanzer, GEIGER, and Winters. Allentown, >or >as it was often called, "Northamptontown," was thus regarded only as a mission >station from the days of Father Schneider in 1741 until the purchase of ground >for >the building of a permanent church in the year 1857." > >Joan >

In a message dated 98-07-25 13:17:53 EDT, jhs1964@gte.net writes: > > Hi...can anyone give me some details about Ulrich Geiger and his wife, > Apollonia? I have some sketchy information about them, but nothing > complete. When and where born, parents, etc. I'd certainly appreciate it! > John, I can't personally vouch for the acuracy of this information--the source is the Orangeburgh, SC WebPage which features (or at least did the last time I looked) this Geiger family. It states that Hans Ulric Gieger was born 14 May 1729 in Berneck,Switzerland and married Appolonia (maiden name unknown). I am sure there are others on this list who can add to that information. By the way--my very Catholic Geigers for some reason unknown to me all became Protestants at some point after the Revolution (which legitimized the Catholic religion in New Jersey) after defending so vehemently their Catholic faith when it was illegal for them to practice it. Go figure! Joan

In a message dated 98-07-25 11:22:12 EDT, jhs1964@gte.net writes: > My Geigers where protestants who fled for their lives!!! No priests here! John, you will find a vast array of religions among the Geigers--Protestants, Catholics, and Jews. Knowing about their religious history can go a long way towards identifying where they may have originated. It can be safely stated that the early Colonial Geigers arriving in America before the Revolution were mostly Protestant with only two exceptions that I am aware of. My Geigers, Matthias and Anna Mary (Halter) Geiger, who arrived in Philadelphia in 1738 on the Snow Two Sisters were definitely Catholic at the time of their arrival in America and for a number of years prior to that while living in Lembach, Alsace. They faced persecution in New Jersey until the Revolution due to their Catholic faith. Also, according to Annette Burgert's book 18th Century Emigrants from the Northern Kraichgau to North America, Anna Maria Geiger who was from Ehrst�dt, Germany was from a Catholic Geiger family. Anna Maria married Melchior Sh�ner/Shaner who was a Lutheran. They emigrated to America in 1742 on the Ship Francis and Elizabeth. Anna Maria came to America as a Lutheran after her marriage to Melchior Sh�ner and the couple settled in New Hanover Township, in what is now Montgomery County, PA. Later Geiger immigrants to America in the mid 1800s on up to current times are as likely to be Catholic, or even Jewish, as Protestant. Joan

A friend just passed this note along to me and I thought I would see whether anyone on the list has any idea who this GEIGER is. He was a Jesuit Priest in Pennsylvania. Unfortunately no first name is given for this Priest--it merely says GEIGER in the book. The book also does not give us any exact time frame to help further identify Father Geiger. Can anyone identify him? I have an old out of print book, "Old Jesuit Trails in Penn's Forest" by Leo Gregory Fink. On page 169 it reads, "In addition to the Jesuit missionaries from Goshenhoppen and Haycock, other priests came later to care for the Catholics of the entire Lehigh Valley from Easton and Bethlehem. The most famous of these priests were the Fathers Gustenake, Tanzer, GEIGER, and Winters. Allentown, or as it was often called, "Northamptontown," was thus regarded only as a mission station from the days of Father Schneider in 1741 until the purchase of ground for the building of a permanent church in the year 1857." Joan

How stupid of me! You may be right about that. I suppose I was looking at things with blinders on. That would explain everything. -----Original Message----- From: JYoung6180@aol.com <JYoung6180@aol.com> To: GEIGER-L@rootsweb.com <GEIGER-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Friday, July 24, 1998 11:20 PM Subject: Re: [GEIGER-L] Here is my proof on Mary (Geiger) Hoffman of Georgia >In a message dated 98-07-24 22:22:27 EDT, jhs1964@gte.net writes: > >> In this deed "Mary Stafford, widow" gave cattle and other >> personal property to her mother, Ann Mary Magdeline Geiger. > >John, might she have been a step-mother? I have seen step-parents listed as >parents in some early records. Would that solve your dilemma with Apolonia >and Ann Mary Magdeline? > >Joan >

Below is what I have complied regarding my research concerning the ancestry of Anna Maria Geiger who married William Stafford. These families were in Effingham and Bulloch Co., GA. I think from what I have found, I now have proof that Anna Maria (Mary Ann) (Geiger) (Stafford) Hoffman/Huffman was indeed daughter of Ulrich Geiger. The first thing we have is the marriage of Anna Maria Geiger to William Stafford at Jerusalem Lutheran Church (Old Ebenezer), Effingham Co., GA in 1773. Next are the baptisms of their children, Mary, Abraham and Dinah. From this we a small family grouping and know that they lived in South Carolina in 1778/1779. We know that their two eldest children, Mary and Abraham, reached adulthood and married. Mary married Simeon Travis, son of William Travis and Abigail Denmark of Warren Co., NC. Abraham married Elizabeth, whose maiden name is unknown. What became of Dinah is unknown. Obviously, William Stafford died sometime after 1780 and his widow beyond a doubt married Jacob Huffman/Hoffman. In an 1808 deed between Henry Zouk and Frederick Buntz, it is mentioned that part of the land being sold was 200 acres conveyed by Jacob Huffman and Ann Mary, his wife, to Abraham Stafford. In this and other deeds, Abraham’s wife is shown to be Elizabeth. Earlier, in 1801, Jacob Hoffman sold 400 acres to Abraham Stafford, Ann Mary Hoffman, witnessed this transaction and part of the land was bounded by Felix Geiger’s land. It’s interesting to note that in that same year, Thomas Peter Stafford and his wife, Marie, sold land he had inherited from his father, John, to Felix Geiger. From this we know that the Stafford, Hoffman and Geiger families were neighbors. In 1812, Jacob Huffman/Hoffman died. Simeon Travis was granted citation for letter of administration on the estate. The widow was listed as "Mary Huffman". In 1815, Felix Geiger, Abraham Geiger, Mary Hoffman and Cornelius Geiger, heirs of Ulrick Kegar (or Geiger) sold to their bother, John Geiger, also an heir of Ulrick Kegar 1/5 of 60 acres granted to their father in 1767. On the same day, the four children of Ulrich Geiger who still held title to their father’s land as tenants-in-common sold their 4/5 interest to Christopher Frederick Bunce. Obviously John wanted to keep his portion of their father’s land. It is interesting to note that these transactions took place in 1815 and Jacob Hoffman died in 1812. All of the children, except John Geiger and Mary Hoffman, who sold land to Bunce had a spouse who signed also. Even though this was her father’s land, her husband would have had to have signed the deed with her. Thus, we can safely say that she was a widow and very likely the widow of Jacob Hoffman. For the record I will give the children of Ulrich Geiger, along with their spouses: John Geiger, no spouse listed Abraham Geiger, wife, Mary. Cornelius Geiger, wife, Rebecca. Felix Geiger, wife, Mary (Mary Margaret in an 1804 deed) >From the Jerusalem Church records we know that Ulrich Geiger’s wife was named, Apollonia. This from the baptism of their daughter, Rachel, in 1769. The fate of Rachel is not known, but neither she nor Apollonia were alive in 1815. One problem that has arisen is a deed from the 1780s which was recorded in Effingham County. In this deed "Mary Stafford, widow" gave cattle and other personal property to her mother, Ann Mary Magdeline Geiger. There is a possibility that this Mary Stafford isn’t the Anna Maria Geiger who married William Stafford in 1773. But, if not, then who is she and who is Anne Mary Magdeline Geiger? >From the evidence found in the records of Bulloch County it would appear that Anna Maria Geiger who married William Stafford, was widowed, remarried to Jacob Hoffman and was the daughter of Ulrich and Apollonia Seekinger Geiger.

In a message dated 98-07-24 22:22:27 EDT, jhs1964@gte.net writes: > In this deed "Mary Stafford, widow" gave cattle and other > personal property to her mother, Ann Mary Magdeline Geiger. John, might she have been a step-mother? I have seen step-parents listed as parents in some early records. Would that solve your dilemma with Apolonia and Ann Mary Magdeline? Joan

Just noticed in the Orlando Sentinel Online Obits for July 23, 1998, Harry Kenneth Geiger, 81, 1290 Sunwood Dr, Melbourne, Brevard Co, FL, died on July 21, 1998. He was owner and operator of Geiger Machine Shop in Delray Beach, FL. Born in Melbourne FL, he was a lifelong resident. He was Protestant. Survivors: daughters, Betty J. Elrod, Manchester, TN, Carol Ingold, Pittsburg; sister, Myrtle Rich, Jacksonville; brother, Jack, Melbourne; 5 grandchildren, 3 g-grandchildren. Brownlie & Maxwell Funeral Home, Melbourne. Mary Phillips Orlando, FL

I wanted to let everyone on the list know I have received news of the death of Frances Axline Gieger, wife of Gerry A. Gieger. She had been ill for quite some time and passed away on July 16th. I know all of our thoughts and prayers are with Gerry and their seven children. As some of you know Gerry is a descendant of the South Carolina Geiger family but his "branch" of the Geigers spelled their name Gieger. Joan

In my continuing hunt for Benjamin Geiger of Westmoreland Co., PA I found the following which may or may not help someone else: Index of "History of Schuylkill Co., PA" by W. M. Munsell's dated 1881 shows: Page D. H. Geiger 244 Englebert Geiger 255 J. Q. Geiger 164 John Geiger 113 John L. Geiger 210 John L. Geiger 244 Jonas Geiger 120 Rev. Mr. W. H. Geiger 356 William Geiger 255 M. S. Giger 231 George Giger 231 I don't have access to the book itself. In Forrest Home Cemetery in Northport, Washington the following: Amanda "Morlan" Geiger 1832 - 1907 b Portage Co., OH; d Northport, WA David Tifford Geiger 1828 - 1907 b Charlestown, IN; d Northport, WA 1860 Census for Wasco Co., OR: Chapley Giger - Age 34; b Missouri - He was located in Fifteen Mile, Wasco Co., OR Somerset Co., PA Obt - Probably posted for me. Benjamin F. Geiger, a former prominent citizen of Stoyestown, died on Tuesday last at his home in Latrobe, aged 64 years. Shortly before the war he removed to Iowa, and there enlisted as a soldier. He served with distinction until the close of the war, when he returned to Stoyestown. He was elected a Justice of the Peace in that town some years ago. The deceased is survived by his widow and seven children, and by three sisters, Mrs. Jacob KEIM of Jenner; Mary, a widow of the late Noah BARNETT, of Stoyestown; and Mrs. Charles WAGNER of Buckstown, and two brothers, John of Buckstown, and Thomas, of the State of Washington. The Somerset Herald Wednesday, July 10, 1895. It is his grandparents - Benjamin and Caterina Geiger and parents - John and Margaret McAdams Geiger that I am looking for. Mrs. Charles Wagner was my great-grandmother. Joan: We have talked about Thomas Geiger before. I said he was in Oregon but the Obt. says Washington State. I will bet on Washington. I have been searching in both states with no luck so far. Also, I need to take a look to see if there is a Michael Geiger (killed in the Civil War) son of John and Margaret also. Some family records say another son was killed in the war named Michael. Eleanor Eleanor L. Myers myersel@battelle.org

As far as I can tell, the kids don't match exactly, but it is close. This Henry died c. 1815 as far as we know and I can't find which group he belongs to. Sharon

Sharon: I am going back to Westmoreland Co., PA in late October and I am going to look again so if you come up with anything or have suggestions before then, please let me know. Eleanor > -----Original Message----- > From: SharCraig@aol.com [SMTP:SharCraig@aol.com] > Sent: Thursday, July 23, 1998 6:32 PM > To: GEIGER-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [GEIGER-L] Benjamin Geiger > > Thanks, I will have to compare the children to see if this matches my > Henry. > > Sharon

This is a list of Geiger's buried at Calvery Cemetary in Dayton, Ohio. I will give name, birth and death. They are in alfa order if anyone thinks there might be a connection. E-mail me of who you are interested in I will be glad to send the rest of the information. All I will need is the inter #.. Hope this is of some help to someone.. Inter#47913 Geiger, Adolph C. b. 12/12/1907 d. 1/28/1970 40261 Alma A. b. ?/?/? d. 1/?/1959 44335 Alois B. b. 6/21/1891 d. 12/11/1964 52810 Anastasia b. 5/5/1917 d. 6/4/1977 44221 Anna M b. ?/?/? d. 10/08/1964 age 69 28792 Barbara Ann b. ?/?/1937 d. 9/30/1937 7172 Clara b.?/?/? d. 8/20/1896 age 10 38668 Debbie Ann b.7/3/1956 d. 7/24/1956 age 21 days 46781 Donald J. b. 6/13/1918 d. 6/23/1968 46358 Edith R. b. 11/17/1893 d. 11/22/1967 5973 Elizabeth b. ?/?/1889 d.11/14/1893 age 4 6772 Felix no dates, no info except Notes: Rem. From St. Henry age 43 26432 Felix b. 1866 d. 4/10/1932 41627 Florence M. b. 12/15/1890 d. 1/12/1961 40718 Frank B. b. ?/?/? d. 10/05/1959 40916 Frank J. b. ?/?/? d. 1/7/1960 52109 Frank L. b. 9/3/1893 d. 4/22/1976 24734 Frank b.?/?/? d7/3/1928 9420 Fred/Mary (infant of) d.1/12/1903 age 0d 29054 Fred b.?/?/? d. 4/10/1938 18 George b. ?/?/1775 d. 8/11/1875 age 100 22634 George b. ?/?/? d. 9/3/1923 age 2 39571 George A. b.?/?/? d.12/26/1957 47610 George T. b. 1/28/1896 d. 8/4/1969 62847 Hedwig E. b. 10/23/1902 d 1/16/1993 28701 Herbert T. b. 9/28/1921 d. 7/4/1937 33797 Howard J. b. ?/?/? d. 3/6/1948 40698 John A. b. 12/22/1903 d. 9/20/1959 15470 John Frederick b. ?/?/? d. 2/20/1908 26180 John B. ` b.1/23/1852 d. 10/2/1931 24015 Joseph L. b. ?/?/? d. 12/2/1926 59341 Joseph P. b. 7/5/1909 d. 8/26/1987 45986 Loretto A. b. 9/13/1895 d. 5/1/1967 58856 Mary Louise b. 10/21/1916 d. 12/8/1986 61295 Mary T. b. 11/25/1925 d. 1/11/1990 64636 Mary E. b. 7/12/1925 d. 10/13/1995 4652 Mary T. b. ?/?/? d. 5/16/1890 9434 Mary b. ?/?/? d. 1/25/1903 28277 Marcelene Rose b. ?/?/? d. 8/8/1936 17764 Michael b. ?/?/? d. 4/21/1913 51039 Mildred C. b. 8/22/1905 d. 9/20/1974 37593 Nettie b. ?/?/? d 10/10/1954 25788 Paul Howard b. 10/15/1930 d. 10/16/1930 53460 Phyllis J. b. 4/16/1929 d. 6/17/1978 53537 Ralph J. b. 12/8/1915 d. 8/11/1978 53002 Raymond E. b. 1/1/1902 d. 10/17/1977 28381 Rose b. ?/?/? d. 10/30/1936 30388 Rose Marie b. ?/?/? d. 5/2/1941 20769 Sophia Louise b. 10/16/1858 d. 3/14/1919 865 Thresia b. ?/?/? d. 10/12/1880 17171 Ursula b. ?/?/? 2/6/1912 51164 Victoria C. b. 11/14/1897 d. 11/29/1974 Cindi

Yes, thanks I need to do some comparison on the kids. Sharon

Thanks, I will have to compare the children to see if this matches my Henry. Sharon

Recently I posted to the list an article I am working on about the Geigers of Berwangen, Northern Kraichgau, Germany and the town of Geigertown in Robeson Twp., Berks County, PA which is named for the immigrant Paul Geiger. I received a letter in the mail from Barbara Campbell a few days ago and finally had the time to address her questions to me. What I learned may create some suspicions at least of a possible connection between the Berwangen Geigers and her ancestor Adam Geiger or Alsace Township, Berks County. Barbara wrote the following: "Now...here is something odd... At the sale of Jacob Geiger's estate,(son of Christopher, son of Adam of Alsace), at the time of his death in 1876, there are these Geiger men purchasing items: Jacob Geiger (son of Jacob who purchased considerable amount) John S. Geiger--unknown Samuel Geiger--son of Jacob Herman Geiger--unknown Levi Geiger--unknown Paul J. Geiger--unknown Augustus Geiger--unknown James Geiger--unknown Do you think ahy of these "unknowns" are from the Amity Township Geigers? (I did not follow that line). If yes, it might indicate a family connection (besides given names). HMMM! Barbara" I set out to find the Geigers Barbara could not identify in my records and I had no trouble at all finding every one of them. I am repeating part of the Berwangen Geiger chart--watch below for *** which will indicate my comments as to the above UNKNOWN Geigers and where they fit in. This is really getting complex! Johann Paul Geiger (above), married in 1749 to Maria Eva Kiestler, and came to this country with her that same year. The family history of this Geiger family was compiled by Annie Elizabeth Rettew Hunter, of Reading, PA, whose grandfather, Isaac Geiger, was a grandson of Paul Geiger, the immigrant. Berks County Historical Society has a copy of the book �John Paul Geiger and his Descendants.� Paul Geiger Died 4 August 1798 (Schwartzwald Reformed Church). The children of Paul Geiger and his wife Maria Eva are as follows: 1. Paul Geiger, born 25 May 1751 (died young). He can be found in the New Hanover Lutheran Church records. 2. Maria Elizabeth Geiger, born 7 August 1753, died 28 July 1823, who married 5 May 1777 John Binder/Penter. 3. Anna Catharine Geiger, born 13 July 1756, and baptized at New Hanover Lutheran Church, died 1 September 1797, married 1778 Peter Wamsher. 4. Schoena �Jane� Elizabeth Geiger, born 5 September 1758, died 15 October 1834 married John Ammon. 5. Jacob Geiger, born 31 March 1761, died 30 September 1826, married first 12 September 1786 Christianna Kerst/Gerst/Derst and second Mary (maiden name unknown). He was the administrator of his father�s will proved 20 August 1798. 6. Maria Margaret Geiger, born 20 September 1763, died 20 November 1832, married Michael Croll (Grauel). 7. & 8. son and daughter who both died young 9. Paul Geiger, born 29 December 1768, died 24 October 1823 Maria Eva Geiger�s will written 23 June 1800 and proved 18 May 1801 names Paul, Jacob, and �the 4 girls." Following the male Geiger lines into the next generation the lineage is as follows: Paul Geiger, son of Paul, the immigrant, married 1 January 1791 Sarah Sens/Sands at Schwartzwald Reformed Church, Reading, Pennsylvania, daughter of John Sands and his wife Hannah Trump. The children of this marriage are: 1. Hannah Geiger, born 13 January 1792, died 7 November 1793--Trinity Lutheran Church, Reading. 2. Paul Geiger, born 27 August 1793, died 8 August 1863, married Hannah Sands, who died 19 February 1847. ***Among the children of Paul Geiger and Hannah Sands were three sons named James, Paul John, and John S. Paul John is on the 1860 census in Union Twp., Berks Co. James is in Caernarvon Twp. and John S. is in Robeson Twp. 3. Michael Geiger, born 7 March 1795 (baptized at Schwartzwald Reformed Church), died 8 December 1852, married first Elizabeth Sheeler and second a Miss Ammon. 4. Johannes Geiger, born 15 January 1797 (baptized at Schwartzwald Reformed Church), died 4 August 186? (copy not legible), married Hannah Hoffman. 5. Jacob Geiger, born 1 August 1799, died 24 February 1876 in Union Township, married 25 December 1821 Susanna Sheeler. ***Jacob and Susanna had a son Augustus who was born in 1840 and is not yet in his own household on the 1860 census. 6. Peter Geiger, born 2 June 1801, died 11 February 1884, married 11 February 1826 Ann Hoffman. 7. James Geiger, born 26 October 1803, died 31 July 1884, married Mary Ammon (who married first John Marquard). 8. Patsy Elizabeth Geiger, born 25 July 1805, died 3 March 1862, married first William Sheeler, and second Samuel Polsgrove. 9. Elijah Geiger, born 4 November 1807, died 5 March 1881, married first Sarah Sheeler, and second Christine Zerr. 10. Sarah Geiger, born 4 September 1809, died 24 September 1880, married John Care. 11. Isaac Geiger, born 3 December 1811, died 20 March 1883, married 13 December 1832 Sarah Care. 12. Joseph Geiger, born 9 November 1816, died 7 February 1886, married first Susanna Zerr, and second Mary Zerr. Jacob Geiger, son of Paul Geiger, the immigrant, married first 29 April 1777 Christina Kerst/Gerst/Derst of Robeson Township, Berks County, Pennsylvania, and second Mary (maiden name unknown). All children are from the first marriage and are listed below: 1. Johann Georg Geiger, born 19 October 1787 (baptized Schwartzwald Reformed Church), died 1 May 1847, married 4 June 1811 Catharine Frey. 2. Mary Geiger, born 24 March 1789, died April 25 1852, married George Zerr. 3. John Geiger,* born 14 March 1791, died before 1826 in Danville, NY, married Mary (maiden name unknown). 4. Paul Geiger,* born 19 April 1793, died 26 July 1864, married first 1 February 1819 Nancy/Ann Umstead, and second Elizabeth Wamsher. ***Paul and Ann Umstead Geiger had a son Levi Geiger who was living in Union Twp. on the 1860 census. Paul and Ann Geiger also had a son Jacob U. Geiger who married Sarah Ann Geiger. NOTE: Geiger is Sarah Ann's maiden name--who is she????? Jacob U. and Sarah Ann Geiger had a son Herman U. Geiger who was born in 1844. Herman was not yet on the 1860 census in a household of his own and I presume he was still at home with his parents. In addition to this Herman U. Geiger another Herman Geiger is mentioned in regard to this Geiger family. Herman U. Geiger above married Kate McGowan and Kate McGowan's brother Howard G. McGowan married as his first wife, Amanda Geiger daughter of Herman Geiger and his wife Maria S. Wenger. Who is this Herman Geiger???? 5. Catharine Geiger, born about 1795, married William Kerlin. *Shown as Gayer in the baptismal records of New Hanover Lutheran Church. Have fun sorting this mess out! Joan

Hope those involved don't mind that I am forwarding this to the list since we have been discussing it. Joan Subj: [Fwd: Columbus Kuhns] Date: 98-07-23 11:39:26 EDT From: mayo@uswest.net (Connie Mayo) Reply-to: mayo@tcsn.uswest.net To: JYoung6180@aol.com (JYoung6180) Hi Joan, I did answer this post and got a very interesting reply. Quite a mystery. -- Blessings, Connie Mayo http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Ranch/1612/index.html The Lydick Connection--See MASTER INDEX-136 files! He is risen from the dead and He is Lord! Hi Connie, I think I may have been to your website before. It may have come up = under my search for Kuhns information. There is a good possibility that = you may have made a connection. Columbus seems to be an odd name and I = haven't seen it used a lot. Mary Ann Kuhns was born in Alpsville, = Versailles Township, Allegheny Co. PA She named her son Columbus (aka = Lum) Geiger after her brother Columbus. It's a good possibility that = she named her son, David Geiger after a brother named David. I don't know much about Columbus Kuhns. He apparently lived in the = Paintertown, Penn Township, Westmoreland Co, PA area. He took in Mary = Ann's children after Mary Ann divorced Daniel Geiger. He was married to = a woman named Mary Catherine, who was also known as Mary Kate. Mary Ann's children were: Sarah Geiger (1862), Sylvester Geiger (1865), = Grant Geiger (1866), Louis Geiger (1867), Columbus Kuhns Geiger (1869), = Mary Geiger (1870) Josephine Geiger (1871) David Geiger (1872), Lizzie = Farrell (1884) and Tommy Farrell (1886). >From what I was told, Mary Ann and Daniel moved to Iowa around 1868. = She divorced Daniel in 1879. The children were sent back to = Paintertown, PA to live with Columbus Kuhns. Mary Ann stayed in Iowa = where she marred ? Flaherty. They split up in 1882 (not sure if it was = death or divorce), she married ? Farrell in 1882. When Lum Geiger was about 13, he broke his leg while working in a = coalmine. While he was resting in bed, he saw a face in the window. It = was Daniel Geiger coming back to take him to Iowa. Lum said no, so = Daniel told him if he couldn't have him as a son, no one would. Daniel = went to get a shotgun. He tried to shoot Lum, but Lum was able to roll = under the bed. Daniel was gone by the time Columbus Kuhns got back with = the constable. No one knows what happened to Daniel. =20 I know this is a lot of information, but if anything sounds familiar, = let me know. I've had a tough time finding anything on the Kuhns = family. If any of this rings a bell for you, please let me know. Thanks for the reply, Teresa -----Original Message----- From: Connie Mayo [SMTP:mayo@uswest.net] Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 1998 11:44 AM To: sg136@westol.com Subject: Columbus Kuhns Hi Theresa, I just learned of your post in Feb about Geiger-Kuhns. I'm interested in Mary Ann Kuhns family. Particularly, in Columbus Kuhns. I MAY connect to this Kuhns family, but right now, I don't know. If I do, it would be that my John Kuhns/Kuntz may have been a brother to Mary Ann. There's a David Kuhns who is supposed to have had a son, Columbus who, in fact, settled in All. Co. I hope you have some info on these Kuhns. They lived in Conemaugh Twp., Indiana County - nr Tunnelton and Saltsburg. -- Blessings, Connie Mayo http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Ranch/1612/index.html The Lydick Connection--See MASTER INDEX-136 files! He is risen from the dead and He is Lord!

I thought although this reply I got from Richard Koontz to the posting about Daniel Geiger imprisoned for stealing a horse primarily involves the Kuhns surname I thought you might want to see what Richard had to say on the subject of this family. Joan Subj: Re: Fwd: [GEIGER-L] Geiger Search Date: 98-07-23 09:16:27 EDT From: rkoontz@minn.net (Richard Koontz) To: JYoung6180@aol.com >>Richard, thought you might enjoy this message which was just posted to my >Geiger e-mail list. Another infamous pairing of the Geigers and Kuhns/Counts, >etc..... >GEIGER/KUHNS > > Posted by Teresa <sg136@westol.com> on Mon, 9 Feb 1998, at >8:47 p.m. > >I am looking for any information on the family of Daniel GEIGER and Mary Ann >KUHNS m. 1861. Children were Sarah b. >1862, Sylvester b.1865, Grant b. 1866, Louis b. 1867 Columbus K. b Sep 17, >1869, Mary b 1870, Josephine b. 1871 and >David b. 1872. The family lived in Iowa for awhile. Children were sent to >live with uncle, Columbus KUHNS in >Paintertown,(Penn Twp.) PA in 1879 when parents were divorced. Daniel GEIGER >was last seen in 1883 in Westmoreland >Co. Jail for stealing a horse. I would like to find out what happened to >Daniel. Thank you. > Well, well, well.... small world. I remember wondering about this lady when we were in these solid vaults in Ottumwa, IA with a raging lighting and hailstorm outside. If my memory (and naturally, my writings are in a box somewhere) is correct, Mary Ann KUHNS maried somebody in Wapello County, IA which is also the home town of my KOONTZ / KOUNTZ ancestors. The town of DAHLONEGA, located a few short miles northeast of Ottumwa, was the home of KOONTZ, WOOD, RUFNER, and KITTERMAN families. The town of EDDYVILLE, located upriver ten or fifteen miles from Ottumwa, was another cluster of KOONTZs that I have not placed. That cluster, and the one in Dahlonega, all moved from GALLIA COUNTY OHIO, near Gallipolis (southeast corner of the state) in the 1843-44 timeframe. Another clan was located in ELDON, also in the area. The Dahlonega clans all moved to Oregon in 1852. What puzzles me is that there were two KUHNS children living with members of our clan. I wondered then, and I wonder now, if there is a relation here worth investigating. I'll contact Eleanor and Teresa. KOONTZ, KOONS, KUHN, and KUHNS were all well represented down there. But HEY! Did you know that in the 1870 timeframe, that Ottumwa was about the largest town west of Chicago, and had more occupants than Los Angeles? > >The above request was posted on the Westmoreland site in February. There >have been no replies to it that I know of. I am so amused by the story I >thought someone should help her. Eleanor > >Eleanor L. Myers >myersel@battelle.org > >

I apologize for using the GEIGER list to contact Debbie, who just posted a message about BINKLEY from Sara Tarpley, but I got a System advisory of fatal error when trying to contact Debbie direct. So, Debbie, here's my message! Hi Debbie, I am a KIGER descendant (Kiger/Kyger out of Indiana, KY and ???). I am also doing research for my son-in-law, Christopher BINKLEY. I can only take his family back to his ggf, Homer BINKLEY (b. 1868 and d. 1928) in Cheatham Co, TN. Have strong suspicions his line descends from Adam BINKELE b. 1744, d. 1837 in Cheatham Co, TN. Do you happen to have any info that supports or disclaims this? Also, do you happen to hae anything that might take us back farther than Homer BINKLEY for Chris? I have also sent a msg to Sara on this. Couldn't acces her guestbook; Netscape said the URL had no DNS entry. TIA. Dick Andis <randis@madison.tdsnet.com> Greencastle, IN