I am posting this list because of several people have inquired. Joan I know you are still working on the hard copy materials that I sent to you and you are planning an article on this family in an future newsletter but I hope it might (1) help someone else, and (2) provide some answers that I need especially in regard to the wife (Catherina/Catherine) of Benjamin Geiger, Jr. and the wife (Margaret McAdams) of John Geiger. I want to comment on the fact that many people did not have John as the first born child of Benjamin Geiger and Caterina but our family has an original confirmation certificate for him listing them as his parents and his birth record is in the Hill Church. 1. Johann Valentine Geiger, Sr. b abt. 1661; died in Germany sp: Maria Barbara Bauer b abt. 1683 in Germany; d in Germany 2. Johanne Valentine Geiger, Jr. b 21 Dec 1685 in Ittlingen, Baden, Germany; d Dec 1762 in New Hanover Twp., Montgomery Co., PA sp: First wife - Johanna Frederika Henckel b abt. 1716 in Germany; d 1739 in Philadelphia Co., PA - Had six children sp: Second wife - Maria Elizabeth Schmidt daughter of Rev. John George Schmidt, b abt. 1742 New Hanover, Montgomery Co., PA 3. Johannes Dietrich Geiger b 9 Aug 1742 Philadelphia Co., PA; d 21 Sep 1782 sp: Elizabeth Linsenbucker daughter of Paul Linsenbucker - married 1763 3. Johann Heinrich Geiger b 28 Mar 1744 in Philadelphia Co., PA3. 3. Benjamin Geiger, Sr. b 9 Mar 1747/48 or 3 Apr 1747 Philadelphia Co., PA; d before 1790 sp: Elizabeth - married before 1772 4. Johanne Carl (Charles) Geiger b 26 Jun 1772 Rockland Twp, Berks Co., PA 4. Benjamin Geiger, Jr.b 1 Feb 1777 Rockland Twp., Berks Co., PA, d 22 Nov 1857 Unity Twp., Westmoreland Co., PA sp: Caterina - married before 1798 5. John (Johannes) Geiger b 17 July 1798 in Dauphin Co., PA; d 8 Jul 1860 Shade Twp., Somerset Co., PA sp: Margaret McAdams b 19 Jul 1808 in Ireland/Scotland; d 16 Sep 1889 in Somerset Co., PA 6. Benjamin Geiger b 28 Jan 1831 in Greensberg, Westmoreland Co., PA sp: Martha J. Smith - married 29 Nov 1855 6. Thomas Geiger b 25 Nov 1832; died in Oregon 6. Catherine Anna Geiger b 9 Aug 1855 6. Mary Geiger b 8 Oct 1836 6. Margaret Geiger b 17 Nov 1835 6. Dorcas Geiger b 9 Sep 1840 6. John Geiger b 28 Jul 1842; d 1918 in Somerset Co., PA 6. Isabella Geiger b 7 Jul 1844 6. Jacob Daniel b 25 Aug 1846; d 30 Mar 1865 at Hatchers Run, VA (Civil War) 6. Elizabeth A. Geiger (my greatgrandmother) b 20 Oct 1848; d 9 Jul 1929 Shade Twp., Somerset Co., PA - married 24 May 1874 in Johnstown, Cambria Co., PA sp: Charles Augustus Wagner b 8 May 1849 Shade Twp., Somerset Co., PA; d 17 Jun 1925 in Shade Twp., Somerset Co., PA (Had five sons and one daughter) 6. Rachael Ella Geiger b 1 Aug 1854; d 5 Dec 1866 5. Benjamin Geiger III 5. ? Geiger 5. Henry Geiger b 12 Oct 1808 5. Maria Catherine Geiger 5. Jonas Benjamin Geiger 5. Joseph Geiger 5. Solomon Geiger 5. Sarah Geiger b 1820 in PA 3. Charles "Carl" Geiger b 2 Aug 1749 Philadelphia Co., PA d 1828 in Pottstown, PA 2. Andeas Geiger b 29 Jan 1687/88 Ettlingen, Germany 2. Maria Catherine Geiger b 21 Aug 169_ in Ettlingen, Germany 2. Johanne Wilhelm Geiger b 29 Dec 1692 2. Maria Barbara Geiger b 9 Mar 1697/98 in Ettlingen, Germany 2. Maria Barbara Geiger b 11 Jul 1699 2. Johann Georg Geiger 2. Anna Marie Geiger b 10 Apr 1705 2. Johannes Geiger b 22 Nov 1707 in Ettlingen, Germany 2. Johanne Martin Geiger b 3 May 1711 If anyone has comments and/or additions, I would appreciate them. Eleanor L. Myers Cognitive Systems Battelle (614-424-7944) myersel@battelle.org

> > Val, I think I erred in saying maybe Anthony with the daughter Elizabeth was > still living and that a guardian might have been appointed anyway when he > moved away. I am pretty sure now that her marriage record says "daughter of > Anthony Kiger, decd." So I am back to thinking there must have been 2 Anthony > Kigers. In fact the 2 Anthony's might well have been father and son. Ok, want another example? My Vandeveers - every Jacob married at least one if not 2 Catharine/Catrina's for 3 generations. Can make a whole lot of confusion and fun! VAl

Thanks so much Richard. You know, it's like any theory, people read it and forget it's a theory. I have had more trouble with people telling me that my Anna Maria (Geiger) (Stafford) Hoffman couldn't have been Ulrich's daughter because Mary Geiger was born ca. 1770 and I say that Anna Maria was born ca. 1750!!! It just kills me! Do they not know what "ca." means...sometimes I want to give a lesson of the difference been "about" and "definite"! I have all this overwhelming proof, but if it's in a book I don't think bringing the person back from the dead would prove anything to some people! I have noted what you wrote and will try to get a copy of the book. I think I need as much as possible to work this all out. I think it's going to be fun and a challenge! Thanks again for everything. John -----Original Message----- From: Richard A. Connell <rconn@magicnet.net> To: GEIGER-L@rootsweb.com <GEIGER-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Tuesday, July 28, 1998 1:37 AM Subject: Re: [GEIGER-L] Apollonia Geiger, GA >John, the only proof of Apollonia's existence that I know of is in the >baptismal record of daughter Rachel, 1769, but there is a reference to her >in the book "The Geiger Family Tree" by Chubb A. Geiger, 1965, for the >Geiger Family Organization. The book and a typed manuscript are in the >Geneal. dept. of the Jacksonville, FL, Public Library. Chubb was an >amateur genealogist in Green Cove Springs, FL, a nice gentleman who sought >out every Geiger lead he could find in SC, GA and FL (I found some of his >correspondence with Judge Folks Huxford in the Huxford Library at >Homersville, GA). His book is well worth reading, although when he >couldn't prove something, he went to "what ifs" that too many of us >accepted as fact! And some descendants have complained of errors. He has >my 2nd gr.grandmother, Emily JOYNER as Emily Johns. She marr. John Martin >GEIGER and the rest of their info is correct. > >Re Ulrich and family, p. 7, he says: "Let's look at what could have been. >Ulrich and his wife, Apolina ________? (sic. it should be Apollonia, say my >Swiss friends). Thinking that he married after finding a means of support, >it was about 1757 when they married. I look with the thought that she was >a Seckinger, of or related to Andrew Seckinger at Ebenezer." This may be >where the Seckinger idea got started - I don't know. Ebenezer, just above >Savannah, was founded in 1734 by the Salzburgers of Austria (I apologize >for my earlier typo in crediting the Swiss). Many of the Swiss joined them >there or nearby. My cursory study of the Seckingers in their records >produced nothing re Apollonia. > >Anne Connell, Winter Park, FL >---------- >> From: John H. Smallwood, Jr. <jhs1964@gte.net> >> To: GEIGER-L@rootsweb.com >> Subject: [GEIGER-L] Ulrich Geiger, SC and GA >> Date: Sunday, July 26, 1998 11:40 AM >> >> Does anyone have any information pertaining to the maiden name of >Apollonia, >> wife of Ulrich Geiger? I have heard that she was nee' Seckinger, but >have >> no confirmation of this. >> >> Also, does anyone know of any biographical information on Ulrich. I have >> sketchy information on him. >> >> Thanks for everything. And special thanks to Joan :-)~ >> >> John H. Smallwood, Jr. >> 18949 Marsh Lane >> # 1417 >> Dallas, TX 75287 >> 972-306-9578 >> >> ______________________________ >

In a message dated 98-07-28 17:08:37 EDT, you write: > I want to comment on > the fact that many people did not have John as the first born child of > Benjamin Geiger and Caterina but our family has an original confirmation > certificate for him listing them as his parents and his birth record is in > the Hill Church. Yes, many charts do not list your John as a child of Benjamin and Caterina--but that is only because they have not made the link between the Benjamin who was in North Annville in 1798 having John bapt. at Quitopahilla (Hill) Church. Your private confirmation record of the same John years later in Westmoreland County and referring to his bapt. in North Annville is proof they are the same family. This migration record also makes it much easier to see that he is also the Benjamin you cite in your chart born in 1777 in Berks County. I am working on establishing whether Benjamin's brother Charles may also have migrated to western PA and may well be Charles Kiger of Greene County. We shall see if the facts bear that out. The only think I would comment on in your chart is that I have never seen the spelling Ettlingen--always Ittlingen for the town in Northern Kraichgau from which the Geigers emigrated. Joan

I thought the comments on the grandfather not changing his will years after the grandmother died were interesting. My grandmother (who only died four years ago) not only didn't change her will - it left everything to my grandfather and he'd died in 1970 (yes 24 years earlier) - she carried it with her in her purse in case anything happened to her and yes, she was in her right mind right up until the end. Of course it was too late when we found out about it to be able to ask why she did it but I'm sure there was an interesting reason, especially since she had a huge safe put in the house to keep her valuables. Guess she wanted to leave future generations something to wonder over as they did family history research. Sara

> > Now, here is a question for cousin Richard--is it possible that a guardian > (Benjamin Kiger) would have been appointed for Elizabeth Kiger, if she > remained at home in VA, as a minor, while her father Anthony, STILL LIVING, > moved to Indiana? This would be the only way the 2 Anthonys could be one and > the same. > Joan, I have an example of this on one of the Cumberland Co. Nixon lines. Fellows wife died leaving him with infant daughters which he placed with various relatives and in at least the one I have ferreted out of the Brigeton Courthouse, named a legal gaurdian. First accounts I read had him going west never to be heard from again. Later I discovered he had drowned crossing a river out there. Just one example, but people were sometimes lax about the formalities. Val

Hi, Joan and everybody on Geiger-L, I don't know that this would necessarily apply to this instance of so many Christinas, but I've learned in other research I've done [or simply talking with other researchers], that it was not especially rare for there to be several children of the same name in the same family. Perhaps it was something as simple as the husband or wife liking the name Christina [to use this case as an example] and wanting one of their surviving children to carry that name. Depending on the age difference of the children, perhaps one child named Christina only lived 2-3 years and the wife was pregnant with another child when the first one died. If the new baby then proved to be a girl, the family might well name her "Christina". You can never tell what may have happened that long ago! Hope this helps. Best wishes, Richard Blair Anderson, Jr., Danville, Virginia USA r.anderson@d-k.com [A Kiger descendant that emerged from the Salem Co., New Jersey, Geiger/Kiger line] -----Original Message----- From: JYoung6180@aol.com <JYoung6180@aol.com> To: GEIGER-L@rootsweb.com <GEIGER-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Tuesday, 28 July, 1998 11:56 AM Subject: Re: [GEIGER-L] Christian Geiger--too many Christinas >In a message dated 98-07-28 11:26:00 EDT, you write: > >> And while we're on the subject...Christian's will names the following, >> "Christiana and CHILDREN". If the Christiana named in the will is a fourth >> wife, who are these children? > >Maggie, only speculation but whether or not Christian married for a 4th (or >whatever time) when he was in his 70s I would imagine the children are exactly >as we know them to be. The only correction would be that the named Christiana >was most likely an additional wife. The only question I am aware of with >regard to the children named in his will (as my cousin Richard pointed out) >often more than one child in a family had the same name. And this is true in >this instance with regard to Christinas. We know a Christina was born of the >marriage of Christian and Anna Maria in 1750 and we also know there was a >Maria Christina born of the later marriage of Christian and Christina (the one >fell down the stairs to her death) in 1754. Only ONE daughter Christina (the >wife of Michael Wyland by 1779) was named in the will, leaving us to figure >out WHICH Christina was living in 1779. My assumption based on circumstantial >evidence is that the first Christina died and it is the younger one who >married Michael Wyland and is named in the will. I would think it likely (but >so far unprovable) that the second Christina may have been named for the >deceased little girl--but of course she may have been named for Christina, her >mother, as well, or even for Christian, her father--too many Christinas! > >Joan > >

I love throwing in one of my naive statements every once in a while because then the experienced genealogists come out with thoughtful statements. I appreciated Joan and Richard's comments. And while we're on the subject...Christian's will names the following, "Christiana and CHILDREN". If the Christiana named in the will is a fourth wife, who are these children? Maggie PS. I fell down the steps and only broke my arm just before my 61st birthday last month. I say only after reading that Christiana was my age when she killed herself. Count your blessings.

I know what I'm going to do. Just enter all the conflicting information in my notes. Maggie

I have a grandfather who wrote his will and left everything to his wife. She died and he never bothered to change the will to the surprise of his children. Perhaps this Christian either forgot???? or didn't have the money for a new will????. I guess one should look at the original date of the will. Strange things do happen. Eleanor > -----Original Message----- > From: JYoung6180@aol.com [SMTP:JYoung6180@aol.com] > Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 1998 1:18 AM > To: GEIGER-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [GEIGER-L] Christian Geiger had HOW many wives? > > I just received an e-mail from Barbara J. Brown who is working on a book > and > stopped long enough to ask me a question that I guess I tried to hide from > until now. Nothing that she presented is news to me but I guess I just > have > been ignoring the facts on this one. So listen up and put your thinking > caps > on all of you Christian Geiger descendants--here is something to think > about. > > We assume Christian Geiger's first wife (and probably the mother of his > son > Wilhelm) is Barbara. > We know Christian married Anna Maria Esskuchen 18 March 1739. > We know Christian married again, after Anna Maria's death, on 23 Oct. 1752 > to > a widow Christina Veit. > We also know that Christian Geiger wrote his will and died in May of 1779, > and > in that will he names his wife Christiana. > Then explain this! From the records of Trinity Lutheran Church, > Lancaster, > PA; Oct. 9, 1773: Christina, wife of Christian Geiger, who fell down the > stairs and remained dead at the same place, ages 60 years and a few weeks. > > If Christina fell down the stairs and died in Oct. 1773 then who is the > wife > Christiana referred to in Christian's will in 1779???? Did he remarry > once > again???? > > Joan

Joan: Please send info on how Patty Staetter can join the Geiger list. One suggestion- tell them it is free (or a donation if you like) because I had one person who had never heard of these sites and had no idea they were free so they didn't follow-up. Patty's address is: mcs@ic.net. She is part of the family of John Geiger and Margaret McAdams (Westmoreland & Somerset Cos., PA). There are now three different families in that line who are actively searching. Eleanor L. Myers Cognitive Systems Battelle (614-424-7944) myersel@battelle.org

In a message dated 98-07-28 12:55:09 EDT, you write: > Fellows wife died leaving him with infant daughters which he placed with > various relatives and in at least the one I have ferreted out of the > Brigeton Courthouse, named a legal gaurdian. First accounts I read had > him going west never to be heard from again. Later I discovered he had > drowned crossing a river out there. Val, I think I erred in saying maybe Anthony with the daughter Elizabeth was still living and that a guardian might have been appointed anyway when he moved away. I am pretty sure now that her marriage record says "daughter of Anthony Kiger, decd." So I am back to thinking there must have been 2 Anthony Kigers. In fact the 2 Anthony's might well have been father and son. The original Anthony Geiger/Kiger was born in 1754 and could well have had children from his first marriage by the mid 1770s. And those children could have had children by the 1790s--who could have been marrying by 1812 as this Elizabeth Kiger was. Just a thought! Joan

In a message dated 98-07-28 12:07:37 EDT, you write: > I don't know that this would necessarily apply to this > instance of so many Christinas, but I've learned in > other research I've done [or simply talking with other > researchers], that it was not especially rare for > there to be several children of the same name in the same > family. Richard, the only thing we can say with any assurance about the 2 daughters named Christina is that only one of them was living at the time her father wrote his will in 1779. Joan

In a message dated 98-07-28 11:15:55 EDT, you write: > --Christopher Kiger, emigrated from Germany in 1750. > ---His son, Anthony Kiger, born 9 Mar 1754 on the Schuylkill River, 5 miles > from Reading, PA Anthony to Virginia some years later. > ---Anthony's second wife was Rachel Proctor, b. 29 Aug 1769 in Shenandoah Co. > , > VA. She was 15 years younger than Anthony. > ---Anthony was a soldier in Revolutionary War. At the close of the war, he > sold his Lancaster, PA land (pd. in Continental currency) > ---Anthony died 3 Apr 1824. (Thrown from a horse.) Buried Pleasant Hill > Cemetery, near Rushville. Dottie, oh how VERY interesting--I had not seen this before! Only parts of the information are correct however. This is most definitely referring to Anthony Geiger/Kiger, son of Christopher Geiger who was BORN in PENNSYLVANIA and NOT in Germany in 1720. He was the son of Valentine Geiger, of Ittlingen, Germany, and Johanna Frederica Henckel. Christopher and his first wife Mary Barbara Geiger (his first cousin) were the parents of Anthony whose actual birthdate was 26 April, 1754 and his birthplace Douglassville, Berks County, PA--which is indeed near Reading. We had known that Anthony moved to Virginia and that his first wife was Christina Derst. In 1805 this Anthony was living in Rockingham County, VA and that is ALL we knew of him. If the information is correct that this Anthony Kiger died in Indiana in 1824 then there must have been yet another Anthony Kiger living in Rockingham County, VA since we know from the marriage record of Elizabeth Kiger of that county in 1812--that her father Anthony was deceased, and that a Benjamin Kiger was her guardian. Now, here is a question for cousin Richard--is it possible that a guardian (Benjamin Kiger) would have been appointed for Elizabeth Kiger, if she remained at home in VA, as a minor, while her father Anthony, STILL LIVING, moved to Indiana? This would be the only way the 2 Anthonys could be one and the same. Joan

In a message dated 98-07-28 11:26:00 EDT, you write: > And while we're on the subject...Christian's will names the following, > "Christiana and CHILDREN". If the Christiana named in the will is a fourth > wife, who are these children? Maggie, only speculation but whether or not Christian married for a 4th (or whatever time) when he was in his 70s I would imagine the children are exactly as we know them to be. The only correction would be that the named Christiana was most likely an additional wife. The only question I am aware of with regard to the children named in his will (as my cousin Richard pointed out) often more than one child in a family had the same name. And this is true in this instance with regard to Christinas. We know a Christina was born of the marriage of Christian and Anna Maria in 1750 and we also know there was a Maria Christina born of the later marriage of Christian and Christina (the one fell down the stairs to her death) in 1754. Only ONE daughter Christina (the wife of Michael Wyland by 1779) was named in the will, leaving us to figure out WHICH Christina was living in 1779. My assumption based on circumstantial evidence is that the first Christina died and it is the younger one who married Michael Wyland and is named in the will. I would think it likely (but so far unprovable) that the second Christina may have been named for the deceased little girl--but of course she may have been named for Christina, her mother, as well, or even for Christian, her father--too many Christinas! Joan

I continue to go through all the research I collected a number of years ago. At the Indiana Historical Society Library, Indianapolis, IN (287.092, K46w) I copied the first couple of pages of Conflicts and Triumphs of an Itinerant by T.D. Walker. It is about a John Kiger. It begins, "From robust, healthy Virginia stock has come to us this man." In summary: --Christopher Kiger, emigrated from Germany in 1750. ---His son, Anthony Kiger, born 9 Mar 1754 on the Schuylkill River, 5 miles from Reading, PA Anthony to Virginia some years later. ---Anthony's second wife was Rachel Proctor, b. 29 Aug 1769 in Shenandoah Co., VA. She was 15 years younger than Anthony. ---Anthony was a soldier in Revolutionary War. At the close of the war, he sold his Lancaster, PA land (pd. in Continental currency) ---Anthony died 3 Apr 1824. (Thrown from a horse.) Buried Pleasant Hill Cemetery, near Rushville. ---Anthony's son, John Kiger (spelled Giger by the Germans) was born Mar 1806 in Augusta Co., VA --Family moved to Hardy Co. in a few years then some years later to Pendleton, an adjoining county, further up the Potomac River. ---1823 family moved to the village of Rushville, OH on the East side of Rush Creek. (I did not find it on a modern map.) ---Fall of 1824 to a farm near Marysville, Union Co., OH ---John at age 19 went to Urbana to apprentice in blacksmithing Up to now, I have not been able to follow all of the ancestral lines referred to on this list. I assume this Christian>Anthony>John fits somewhere. (It might even be mine) I didn't read the rest of the book, but if it fits your line, it might be interesting. The book was published in 1891 and it appears that the author knew of John personally. Dorothy Vekasi

In a message dated 98-07-28 10:05:50 EDT, you write: > I know what I'm going to do. Just enter all the conflicting information in > my notes. Maggie, I am not so sure the information IS conflicting. I think the indication is clear that Christian's third wife died and he remarried a Christiana as a 4th (?) wife. It just so happens that the next wife had the same or a similar given name as the last wife who died. With the Germans that is not all that uncommon of an occurrence since often there is not much variety in given names. I have looked through all my records and found NO possibility that the reference to Christina, wife of Christian, dying in 1773 could refer to any other person but Christian Geiger, the immigrant. There were 2 other Christian Geigers of an age to have been married in 1773--the son of Wilhelm (born 1748)--but he was living in VA and married to a Margaret; and Christian (born 1744), son of Christian, who was married to a Barbara and living in Lancaster County, PA. I doubt that a 60 year old Christina in 1773 (meaning she was born about 1713) could have been the wife of either of those Christian Geigers at any point (even if they DID have other spouses anywhere along the line) since she would have been too old. I am left with the inescapable conclusion that Christian Geiger, the immigrant, had at least FOUR wives, with the possibility that he may even had an earlier wife than what we know about before coming to America.

In a message dated 98-07-28 09:35:40 EDT, you write: > Please send info on how Patty Staetter can join the Geiger list. One > suggestion- tell them it is free (or a donation if you like) because I had > one person who had never heard of these sites and had no idea they were free > so they didn't follow-up. Patty's address is: mcs@ic.net. She is part of > the family of John Geiger and Margaret McAdams (Westmoreland & Somerset > Cos., PA). There are now three different families in that line who are > actively searching. Note to all: I have sent Patty instructions for subscribing to our list. Please feel free to give my e-mail address to anyone you know who may be interested in subscribing to the list and I will send them instructions. One note about Rootsweb and Rootsweb's lists. All Rootsweb lists are free of charge to subscribers. Listowners, or list sponsors, such as myself, do pay Rootsweb a yearly donation of $24 to be a sponsor. When you consider all of the information you can receive in a year's time on a list such as this, and the equipment and work involved in creating and maintaining a service such as the one Rootsweb offers us all, and the help the Rootsweb staff offers us in maintaining this list, I would encourage those of you who are financially able to do so to consider a voluntary donation to Rootsweb to help them keep this service available and growing for all of our benefit. Rootsweb does largely run on donations from the users of its services. Think about how much you spend in a year on other resources to study your family history--books, library fees, dues, CDs, etc. and then think about just how much you benefit from having the Rootsweb lists--and I think you would agree a small voluntary donation from those of us able to afford it should be considered. For those of you interested in learning how you can help support Rootsweb, check out the Web Page at: http://www.rootsweb.com for further information. Joan

In a message dated 98-07-28 09:49:18 EDT, you write: > I have a grandfather who wrote his will and left everything to his wife. > She died and he never bothered to change the will to the surprise of his > children. Perhaps this Christian either forgot???? or didn't have the money > for a new will????. I guess one should look at the original date of the > will. Strange things do happen. Eleanor, in many cases yes--but in this case I have the will and Christian wrote the will on May 3rd and died May 6th of the same year! Something doesn't add up here if Christina died in a fall 6 years before that. Joan

John, the only proof of Apollonia's existence that I know of is in the baptismal record of daughter Rachel, 1769, but there is a reference to her in the book "The Geiger Family Tree" by Chubb A. Geiger, 1965, for the Geiger Family Organization. The book and a typed manuscript are in the Geneal. dept. of the Jacksonville, FL, Public Library. Chubb was an amateur genealogist in Green Cove Springs, FL, a nice gentleman who sought out every Geiger lead he could find in SC, GA and FL (I found some of his correspondence with Judge Folks Huxford in the Huxford Library at Homersville, GA). His book is well worth reading, although when he couldn't prove something, he went to "what ifs" that too many of us accepted as fact! And some descendants have complained of errors. He has my 2nd gr.grandmother, Emily JOYNER as Emily Johns. She marr. John Martin GEIGER and the rest of their info is correct. Re Ulrich and family, p. 7, he says: "Let's look at what could have been. Ulrich and his wife, Apolina ________? (sic. it should be Apollonia, say my Swiss friends). Thinking that he married after finding a means of support, it was about 1757 when they married. I look with the thought that she was a Seckinger, of or related to Andrew Seckinger at Ebenezer." This may be where the Seckinger idea got started - I don't know. Ebenezer, just above Savannah, was founded in 1734 by the Salzburgers of Austria (I apologize for my earlier typo in crediting the Swiss). Many of the Swiss joined them there or nearby. My cursory study of the Seckingers in their records produced nothing re Apollonia. Anne Connell, Winter Park, FL ---------- > From: John H. Smallwood, Jr. <jhs1964@gte.net> > To: GEIGER-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [GEIGER-L] Ulrich Geiger, SC and GA > Date: Sunday, July 26, 1998 11:40 AM > > Does anyone have any information pertaining to the maiden name of Apollonia, > wife of Ulrich Geiger? I have heard that she was nee' Seckinger, but have > no confirmation of this. > > Also, does anyone know of any biographical information on Ulrich. I have > sketchy information on him. > > Thanks for everything. And special thanks to Joan :-)~ > > John H. Smallwood, Jr. > 18949 Marsh Lane > # 1417 > Dallas, TX 75287 > 972-306-9578 > > ______________________________