Found in 1880 Ohio Census Hamilton County, Ohio Geiger: William, Carolina, Charles, Clara Hamilton County, Ohio Geiger: William Henry County, Ohio Kigar: George * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * ** * * * * * Gage County, Nebraska Midland Township Post Office - Beatrice 1886-1887 A. Geiger

In a message dated 98-07-29 13:02:33 EDT, you write: > Does someone > have the original will to see if he'd signed it with his name or if it was > just his mark? Sara, Christian Geiger was able to read and write and his handwritten signature in his will in May 1779 is exactly the same as his handwritten signature on the ship list upon his arrival in Philadelphia in 1737. It is amazing to me that the signatures from so many years apart match so well. That alone suggests to me that Christian was not totally incapacitated even 3 days prior to his death. Joan

In a message dated 98-07-29 08:13:22 EDT, boydruda@jmu.edu writes: > I believe she was the widow of Johann Georg VEITH/VEIT who died 28 February > 1752. I also believe her surname was FYDE. See page 510 of Annette Burgert's > > ighteenth-Century Emigrants from the Northern Alsace to America. Dorothy, yes Christina is named in the Burgert book you mention as being the widow of a Johann Georg Veith who died 28 Feb. 1752, aged 31 years, 5 months, and 1 weeks and 6 days. It should also be noted that their is another Johan J�rg Veith who is discussed in this book from Langensoultzbach, Alsace, and the book does not specify that Christina's husband Johann Georg Veith is connected in any way to the one referenced in this book--Burgert only includes Christina and her husband to make the point that there were 2 Johan Georg Veiths that could be confused with each other--or at least that is the way I read it. So I come away from the book not really knowing whether Christina's husband came from Langensoultzbach or not--am I reading this correctly? Also, there is no mention of Christina's maiden name anywhere that I am aware of. Dorothy---I am also quite interested in your opinion concerning the will of Christian Geiger in regard to the mention of Christiana his wife when we now know that Christina Veith/Fyde Geiger died in 1773 if you would be willing to share your thoughts on that subject with us. I value your judgment. Thanks. Joan

In a message dated 98-07-29 10:05:12 EDT, you write: > Joan: The Ettingen was a mistyped. Sorry. Has anyone done research in > Ittingen and gotten any documents from there? Eleanor, it is Ittlingen--not Ittingen--I mention that since there just MAY be a town of the other name also. Ittlingen is in the area called the Northern Kraichgau which is a region in Southwestern Germany near Stuttgart. This is a major region from which our early arriving Pennsylvania Germans emigrated. Many "Germans" arriving in Pennsylvania in the 1700s from this area were originally Swiss who moved into the Kraichgau after the 30 Years War (1648 and on) when many Germans had been killed in the War and a great amount of property damage had occurred. The Swiss who were looking for areas of expansion to house their growing population moved into this area which had been especially hard hit during the War. Some moved there (Mennonites for example) due to persecution in Switzerland. That is just a simplified explanation of the background--of course it is really a much more complex subject than that. Aside from the information on the Geigers of Ittlingen (those connected to Rev. Henckel) from Annette Burgert's book 18th Century Emigrants from the Northern Kraichgau to North America I don't know if anyone actually has rented the Ittlingen Lutheran Church records to check them for themselves. I have thought about that and just don't have time for it. I think that would be an excellent project if some members of this list would like to work together on it. I am certain that Ittlingen Lutheran records would be available for rent from the LDS and to get a complete picture it might be advisable to also rent Berwangen and Richen Lutheran records (and possibly Catholic records as well if any exist for those towns). Perhaps records from Ehrst�dt would also prove helpful in determining how Anna Mary Geiger (wife of Melchior Shoener) fits into this picture also. A group of you who are interested in this family could get together and each rent one of those films and then copy the Geiger entries and share with the others to help put the complete story together. If several people worked on this it might not be difficult to accomplish. What do you think about that idea? It would take maybe 4 people to rent Lutheran and Catholic records for Ittlingen, Berwangen, Richen, and Ehrst�dt. Joan

Christian Geiger married the "widow" Christina Veit. I assume that Veit is not her maiden name. Does anyone know where I can find information about her previous marriage(s) or family? Thanks - Debbie Turner

re: "Russ, that argument doesn't fly--check the date he signed the will--he only wrote the will on May 3rd 1779 and died three days later. So the will was very current--not an old will." -------- Do we know how Christian died? Is it possible that he was very ill, knew it, and there was some very important (to him) item that he felt needed to be changed, knowing that death was imminent? Going along with the theory that the children were taken care of - maybe the mention of wife Christina didn't matter all that much to him at that time. Maybe this was done in haste? If this is true - there must have been something quite interesting in his old will! Debbie

Anne, When my son lived outside Bretten, in a little village called Ruit, in Baden Wuerrtemburg, Germany, we often drove through Ettlingen on our way to the base in Karlsruhe. Tim worked in Pforzheim and surrounding villages....Can't believe the Geigers were so close by. My friend gave me a 1992/93 telephone book for Bretten and surrounding villages. After checking the 5 villages listed, I find one Geiger listed. Not many Geigers left in that part of Baden...... Mary Phillips Orlando, FL

Oh, Anne, I have a headache from trying to place all the Geigers with the proper parents..... My Allen Bethel Geiger (1802 - 1873) had 15 children. By lst wife Abigail Riggs.... 1. Elizabeth b. 11 April 1827 d. Nov 20, 1911 md. James Richard Eubank 2. Aaron A. b. 28 May 1828 d. 16 June 1896 md. Millie Sapp d/o James Sapp 3. Margaret Elizabeth b. 20 May 1829 d. 14 Sept 1874 d. Daniel Hogan at Ft. McCoy, Marion Co, FL..bur. Ft. McCoy Baptist Cemetery, FL 4. Abraham Bailey b. May 1830 md. 1) M. Eugenia Bell Geiger d/o John Geiger (2) Julia Ann Wingate Richardson 5. Louranah b. 30 Aug 1831 d. 8 April 1886 md. David C. Ogilvie 6. Eli William b. 29 Jan 1834 d. 5 Oct 1890 md. Francis Drew (IGI says Francis Mahala Williams d/o Candacy Drew) By 2nd wife Mary Ann Buford or Beaufort... 7. Cynthia b. 24 Dec 1842 md. (l)Jonathan Blitch , (2) Wiley Lee Jones 8. Martha b. 1845 md. Rev. William Williams 9. John A. b. 10 Oct 1847 d. 18 June 1890 md. Jeaneatte Mason 10.Joseph Henry b. 6 Oct 1849 d. 14 Sept 1905 md. Sarah Burney 11. Jane b. 1852 md. Francis Marion Starrett 12. Iraneous b. Dec 1854 d. 1932 md. Mary Elizabeth Lord 13. Matilda N. b. 1856 md. Owen Christopher Wingate 14. Isaiah b. 1858 m. Frances J. Jameson 15. Simon Peter b. 23 July 1860 d. 11 July 1883 (tombstone said died unmarried of brain fever).... In the Chubb book, you quoted..."Aaron told Abraham that Joshua was working in Jacksonville in 1849"...........Allen Bethel Geiger had sons Aaron A. Geiger and Abraham Bailey.....do you suppose these are the ones mentioned in the conversation?....and they were referring to a cousin....Joshua? Oh, dear, it's so late and now I really do have a headache.......Night, night. Mary

Roots & Branches -- Genealogy from the Carolinas Husband: Cornelius Geiger Born: at: Married: 12 SEP 1836 at: Died: at: Father: Mother: Other Spouses: Wife: Martha B Rushing Born: 11 MAY 1815 at: Died: 17 MAR 1897 at: Father:William Rushing Mother:Mary "Pollie" Birt (Burt) Other Spouses: http://members.tripod.com/~roots_and_branches/charts/fam01685.htm

Just found an enlarged printout of that area, from a much more recent map (mine was 1971!) and it shows A20 as E12. Another map says something else. I give up! Now that I think about it, I used to have a terrible time reading the German maps as my husband drove - numbers kept changing! They seem to use several diff. designations for each major road. Anyhow, you got us there, Joan! Someplace, I have a SC (I think) Geiger will that refers to a brother's children in Ittlingen, but I can't put my hands on it yet. I've always wondered if much earlier Swiss Geigers settled in Germany and later generations went directly overseas. I have a reference where the "Germans" at Saxe Gotha kept asking for the schools and churches they were promised by the gov. and finally threatened to remove to PA. It made me wonder, then, if some of the Swiss went to PA and others came south. Just a thought. Anne -----Original Message----- From: JYoung6180@aol.com [SMTP:JYoung6180@aol.com] Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 1998 8:42 PM To: rconn@magicnet.net Subject: Re: Ittlingen - Ettlingen; Valentine Geiger of SC. In a message dated 98-07-28 20:18:04 EDT, you write: > Two items to toss on the table. First, there is a town in Germany called > ETTLINGEN. It is just below Karlsruhe; close enough to be a suburb, perhaps. OK Anne, I know where Karlsruhe is. > Now take the A10 north to the A20 interchange. Turn east and start looking, > just above the road, for a little village called Sinsheim which connects to > another village, south of the main road, called Eppingen. The map I am > looking at doesn't show it, but my husband tells me that ITTLINGEN is between > the two villages! Well, sort of. Actually it is 2 towns north of Eppingen and a bit southeast of Sinsheim. If you go north from Eppingen you will hit Richen and next will be Ittlingen. Due east of Ittlingen is Berwangen. We have Geigers from Berwangen, we have Geigers from Ittlingen, and the Berwangen Geigers were originally from Richen BUT I never knew any of these Geigers were from Ettlingen. So I guess the question is, ARE THEY? > > Second item: Folks keep talking about a Valentine Geiger up in PA? Sounded > familiar to me, so I went looking in my SC files. Now this is really weird! > "SC Naturalizations - 1783 - 1850" by Brent H. Holcomb, Genealogical > Publishing Co., 1985; p. 12, Federal Records: GEIGER, VALENTINE; age 45; > Nation: Ittlingen, Baden; Res. ____; Occupation: Merchant; Admission: 10 Jan > 1807." What is he doing in South Carolina? > (by the way, I never could identify him) Sure sounds like he may be the descendant of a Geiger from the Ittlingen Geigers who remained in Germany when the family came over in 1717 and then came over to SC much later on. Valentine was not only the progenitor of family in America--it was also HIS father's name in Ittlingen. I don't think we need a rocket scientist to figure this Valentine Geiger is in some way related to the earlier one. It does mean most likely that the SC Valentine Geiger is not related to YOUR SC Geigers--which is what you had thought anyway. Joan

In a message dated 98-07-29 01:34:16 EDT, you write: > I have no indication that there ever WAS an OLD will. To further elaborate on this--Christian Geiger's will of 3 May 1779 states that he is "old and weak of body but of sound and disposing mind, memory and understanding." It also says that he does therefore "make and publish this my last Will and Testament in manner following." To me that say he had no prior wills (or I would think it would state that all previous wills were revoked or recinded) and was of sound mind--thereby strengthening my case for the fact that he had a wife named Christiana living at the time of his death almost 6 years after the death of his wife Christina Veit. Joan

In a message dated 98-07-28 23:44:27 EDT, you write: > Do we know how Christian died? Is it possible that he was very > ill, knew it, and there was some very important (to him) item that he felt > needed to be changed, knowing that death was imminent? Going > along with the theory that the children were taken care of - maybe > the mention of wife Christina didn't matter all that much to him > at that time. Maybe this was done in haste? > > If this is true - there must have been something quite interesting > in his old will! > Debbie, I have no indication that there ever WAS an OLD will. In those days people didn't make wills ahead of time as a general rule but only when they thought they were dying or very sick. My guess would be that whatever illness Christian Geiger died from (at age 79) was a rather sudden illness that caused him to hurriedly write his will only 3 days before his death. It would have been very unusual in those days to have just written a will just to have one--many years prior to his death. Joan

I have a few pages out of a family history entitled "The Bennetts of Tomoka" page 19, the chapter entitled "The Ancestors of Amanda Geiger Bennett." I copy: "While in South Carolina, the Geigers were apparently caught up in the "Weber Heresy."(45 ) Around 1760, Jacob Weber, a Swiss immigrant then living near the Saluda River, claimed to be God the Father, His closest followers included his wife, Hannah (the Virgin Mary), Jacob Burghart and John Geiger, Ulrich's brother. Weber's two followers became the Holy Ghost and Christ. Another individual (called in various accounts Peter Schmidt or George Smithpeter) became Satan. Satan was cruelly murdered by the other members of the sect. Weber, his wife Hannah, John Geiger and Jacob Burghart were convicted of the murder and sentenced to be executed. Only Jacob Weber was actually executed. John Geiger was banished. John moved to Georgia. Whether Abraham and Ulrich were banished as well, whether they decided to accompany John in his banishment or whether they were simply dissatified with South Carolina, they moved to Georgia along with John, where they resided in Bryan County. The move seems to have taken place in 1767." #45...South Carolina Gazette, Charles-Town, April 25, 1761. Reference to the heresy can also be found in a series of articles by Lee Gandee on the "Families of Dutch Fork" in the Dispatch News, Lexington, S.C., January, 1969 and an article on "Whitchcraft" by Walter B. and Sue Summer in the Newberry Observer, Newberry, S.C., October 30. 1981. See also Salley, A.S., Jr., "The History of Orangeburg County, South Crolina, pages 238-245, Regional Publishing Co., Baltimore, 1978. I found this to be quite interesting and thought it might interest some of you also. Susan Gagnon Wilson hrw3@worldnet.att.net

Hi everyone...I hate to dredge up an old subject, but I am very much interested in the "Weber Heresy" case. I've seen some mention of it, but would like to know more about it. Thanks

In a message dated 98-07-28 23:25:50 EDT, you write: > Christian most likely never updated his will after his wife Christina fell > down the stairs to her death. Russ, that argument doesn't fly--check the date he signed the will--he only wrote the will on May 3rd 1779 and died three days later. So the will was very current--not an old will. Joan

A comment about Christina Geiger & the Will of Christian Geiger. Christian most likely never updated his will after his wife Christina fell down the stairs to her death. There was no need to since the provisions of his will seemed to cover everything even after Christina death. In today time we can go and get a revised will taken care of will little cost. In the days of Christian Geiger I'm sure he didn't see the need to waste his money having a new will drawled up since all of his children where still taken care of.. Russ

Hi, This is interesting. I'd like to know more about this so that I can include some of it in the article. Thanks! -----Original Message----- From: Richard A. Connell <rconn@magicnet.net> To: GEIGER-L@rootsweb.com <GEIGER-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Tuesday, July 28, 1998 4:29 PM Subject: [GEIGER-L] JOSHUA GEIGER of Bryan Co., GA >Grace, all I have on Joshua Geiger is from Chubb Geiger's book and he >doesn't seem too sure of his facts about Abraham ("born prob. about 1758")! > He names 12 ch. as "reported to be his": "Cornelius; Ephraim; Nathan; >Jeremiah and David (born March 15, 1795 and died May 5, 1870; Samuel (born >June 1, 1796 and died Sept. 11, 1861); Abraham (born Oct. 3, 1801 and died >Nov. 10, 1877); Elizabeth (born July 31, 1803 and died June 6, 1878); then >John, James, Jessie, and Joshua. These I am sure, were enough to keep him >at home behind a plow. ... You take the tales you hear, the logical child >in the logical place and records you can come across and try to decide >whose child is whose." This is exactly as he typed it. It's very >confusing and for a long time, I thought Jeremiah and David were twins, >until I studied his sentence more closely! Elsewhere he says, "James >Geiger listed in 1850 Nassau Co., FL, was born about 1808; and Joshua >Geiger was born about 1810. Aaron told Abraham that Joshua was working in >Jacksonville in 1849." Problem: there is no Aaron in his book and does he >mean Abe, Sr. or Jr.? > >We are planning a research trip up into GA in Aug., ending up in Augusta >for a conference. On the way back, we're going to stop over in >Jacksonville so that I can visit the library again and take a look at the >hardback edition of Chubb's book. I copied off the manuscript before >learning that they had a hardback and I'm wondering if it is just the same. > Also want to visit Allen Bethel Geiger's grave, etc. > >Anne Connell, Winter Park, FL >

In a message dated 98-07-28 21:46:22 EDT, you write: > I have a SC (I think) Geiger will that refers to a brother's children in > Ittlingen, but I can't put my hands on it yet. I've always wondered if much > earlier Swiss Geigers settled in Germany and later generations went directly > overseas. Anne, yes many Swiss (especially the Mennonites) settled in Germany--mostly the Northern Kraichgau area where Ittlingen is located. Some of them later came to America. I have a reference where the "Germans" at Saxe Gotha kept asking > for the schools and churches they were promised by the gov. and finally > threatened to remove to PA. It made me wonder, then, if some of the Swiss > went to PA and others came south. Well, as we all compare notes--you may find out! Joan

Eleanor, My Henry Geiger died 1815 in Columbia Co. Pa, but indications are he was from Berks Co. He would have been born circa 1760. Is there anything in your group that matches this man. I don't have the rest of the info on his kids in front of me at the moment. Sharon

Grace, all I have on Joshua Geiger is from Chubb Geiger's book and he doesn't seem too sure of his facts about Abraham ("born prob. about 1758")! He names 12 ch. as "reported to be his": "Cornelius; Ephraim; Nathan; Jeremiah and David (born March 15, 1795 and died May 5, 1870; Samuel (born June 1, 1796 and died Sept. 11, 1861); Abraham (born Oct. 3, 1801 and died Nov. 10, 1877); Elizabeth (born July 31, 1803 and died June 6, 1878); then John, James, Jessie, and Joshua. These I am sure, were enough to keep him at home behind a plow. ... You take the tales you hear, the logical child in the logical place and records you can come across and try to decide whose child is whose." This is exactly as he typed it. It's very confusing and for a long time, I thought Jeremiah and David were twins, until I studied his sentence more closely! Elsewhere he says, "James Geiger listed in 1850 Nassau Co., FL, was born about 1808; and Joshua Geiger was born about 1810. Aaron told Abraham that Joshua was working in Jacksonville in 1849." Problem: there is no Aaron in his book and does he mean Abe, Sr. or Jr.? We are planning a research trip up into GA in Aug., ending up in Augusta for a conference. On the way back, we're going to stop over in Jacksonville so that I can visit the library again and take a look at the hardback edition of Chubb's book. I copied off the manuscript before learning that they had a hardback and I'm wondering if it is just the same. Also want to visit Allen Bethel Geiger's grave, etc. Anne Connell, Winter Park, FL