I wanted to announce to all that our fledgling GEIGER list which is not yet 2 months old has just surpassed the 100 member mark today. In view of the many new subscribers who have recently come on board I wish to state a few items which hopefully will help to make the list more useful to all, and to acquaint the new members with our list and the rules and procedures to follow. First of all, one of the greatest resources available to you when joining a list such as this is to pay a visit to the Rootsweb Archives and search the archived messages. All messages posted to this list can be found and searched in the Archives. To do this start at the main Rootsweb page at: http://www.rootsweb.com >From there click on SEARCHES which will take you to another page. Look for the link that says something like..."search the archives of over 2,000 genealogy mailing lists" and click on that. From there type in the list name that you want to search. For this list you would type in: GEIGER-L. Then you will need to type in the subject you wish the search engine to look for. For example if you are researching Valentine Geiger--type that in. All messages with that name included will be displayed for you to click on and search and print out if you want to do that. This will enable you to know what has already been discussed on this list and also to contact the person who had posted the information of interest to you. Everyone on this list should understand that the list is concerned with all aspects of the Geiger surname and all variants of that name such as: KIGER, KYGER, KEIGER, GYGER, GIGER, GIEGER, etc. It is also concerned with the families who were allied to the above surnames in so far as the information aids us in researching our Geiger ancestors. The German/Swiss/Alsatian surname Geiger and its variants can be found in all parts of the world today and it should be remembered when posting a message to this list that it is important to identify the location of the Geigers you are discussing. Be as specific when listing your information as you can in your subject. "John Geiger" is a far less helpful subject line than "John Geiger, Somerset County, PA, 1800" would be for example. Also, those who receive this list in Digest format are urged to change the subject line which is automatically placed in the "reply to" function to one which will be informative--since digests all revert to a subject such as: [GEIGER-L] Re: GEIGER-D Digest V98 #64 which tells the reader nothing about the information contained in the message. It can also be helpful when posting messages to the list if you captitalize the surnames in the message for easy reading. Remember while most of the members of this list at present are Americans and are researching Geigers who at some point emigrated to America, not ALL on this list are Americans, and we should remember that when posting our information. This list which concerns itself with a Germanic surname should not forget the fact that many who join us in our discussions are from elsewhere in the world. English may not be their native language. We all can learn from one another, and respect for all is of utmost importance. Remember the roots of our American Geiger families lie in Europe, and the European roots of our families are a vital part of our research. Remember there are others who are researching European Geigers who remain in Europe today. If the English speaking members of this list ever find the need to translate a message posted to it, or a reply you wish to make to someone whose language is not English, I encourage you to visit the following WebSite which provides a free translation service: <A HREF="http://babelfish.altavista.digital.com/cgi-bin/translate">AltaVista: Translations</A> Any questions, suggestions, complaints, administration trivia, or requests for help messages concerning the day to day running of the list are to be addressed to me privately at the following address: JYoung6180@aol.com and should NOT be posted to the list. The list is for genealogical discussion. At present the list is setup with a default setting of automatic "reply to list" when you reply to a posting which means that discussion is encouraged to include the list as a whole and not just the individual you are replying to. However, if you are merely thanking someone for information or wish to relay information of interest to only one other person please change the reply to exclude the list and reply only to the individual. In general, reply to LIST is encouraged. I have also set up the list to include the list name in the subject of all messages coming to the members from the list. I realize that this takes space in the subject box that could be put to use in reading the actual subject of the individual messages. the list name appearing in the subject serves no useful purpose for those receiving digests but I hope those members will understand that it does serve a purpose in enabling single message mode subscribers to sort their mail by subject which is a very useful function. At present Rootsweb is working on a solution whereby the list name would only appear in single mode messages and not in digests. If this method becomes available to us, I will enable it. We do NOT allow flames on this list but encourage free discussion, even when that includes disagreements as to research findings. If anyone on this list is flamed or attacked in any way by another member of this list, please contact me privately and I will deal with the situation. Please do not post any such discussion to the list. It is possible (and sometimes necessary) to have disagreements in order to make progress in research--but they must be handled in a civil and polite manner. Joan M. Young, List Moderator GEIGER-L@rootsweb.com

Since I am working on the Abraham b 1801-1877 in this family, I would be interested in what you find out about this famiy. I am trying to fit in a Abraham Harroll who I think is this Abraham above. I do know Abraham H m Avie Lee in Hamilton Co, Fla in 3/5/1852 and she is buried in Valdosta Ga, with last husband Byrd Hightower. I do know Abraham Harroll was listed on voters reg in July 1867 and they had 7 children. Thanks DM Jmiller789@aol.com

In a message dated 98-08-01 09:46:09 EDT, boydruda@jmu.edu writes: > > I'm back. They upgraded my system. Trying to pick up the treads -- Would be > pleased to hear and post more about the FEG/FECK/FAEG connection mentioned > below, if anyone is interested. Dorothy, I would be happy to have more on any Feg connection to the Geigers--I do have some general Feg family info which doesn't pertain to Geigers--right now I am concerned with the connections between the families. Now that you are back with us I would be interested in any thoughts you might have regarding the postings recently about Christian Geiger's will written and probated in 1779 naming wife Christina, and the death information from Trinity Lutheran Church from 1773 for Christian's wife Christina. Looks as if he had two wives named Christina to me. Joan

Hi all, I just joined this list and this is my first posting although I have corresponded with Joan some months ago. The GEIGER line I am researching is as follows. Some is unproven. Jacob(?) GEIGER, b@1780 MD, m. Mary CARROLL (poss.dau of Charles CARROLL), had several children including Jacob, b.@1800, m. July FREE. Moved to Westmoreland Co.PA according to family where they had at least one child: Daniel Free GEIGER, b. 7 Oct. 1827, d. 4 Dec. 1910, in Pittsburgh,PA. July died in childbirth or shortly thereafter and Daniel Free G. was reared by the FREE family. After Daniel Free GEIGER m. Mary CASSIDY they had the following children: Jane-Jennie GEIGER, b.@1853, d.@1928, m. Robert JAMISON. Anna Free GEIGER b. 1 Sept. 1858?, d. 29 Mar.1930. She married Henry Chignell DIGBY. Richard Holden GEIGER, b.@1858, d. 1 Apr.1936.m. Mable GILLIGAN. He was an opera singer. Mary "Mollie" Stephenson GEIGER, b.21 Feb. 1861, d.31 Mar. 1917, m. Richard T.MILLER. Rebecca Margaret GEIGER,b.11 Aug. 1866, d. May 1903, m. Charles Avery JOHNS. Gertrude Jeannette GEIGER, B. 19 July 1873, d. 24 Oct. 1945. m. John Douglas CHERRY. Most of the people above lived in Pittsburgh areas of Mt. Washington, Duquesne Hts,Oakland. I would like to fill in some gaps, get more information on when the family came to the then colonies, and possibly find any descendants. I have names of some descendants. Thanks. Sara RootsWeb Sponsor Listowner: PYLE-L PENNY-L

>From the Historical and Biographical Annals of Berks County, PA, by Morton L. Montgomery, 1909: Murders in Berks County, Pennsylvania by Indians in the 1700s. April, 1758, "wife and two children of Nicholas Geiger, Tulpehocken." >From the records of Rev. Stoever: "Nicolaus Geiger of Tulpehocken married Ann Margaretha Feg on 9 December 1740. >From Lancaster County, PA, Wills: Will of Nicholas Geiger proved 19 October 1784. Elizabeth Crum, widow (nee Geiger) is listed as the only sister and heir of Nicholas Geiger. Does anyone know if all of the above records are for the same Nicholas Geiger? Joan

I am still checking my records and will get back to you. Sharon

Peggy, This sounds very interesting, let me get my notes and I will tell you what I have on Henry. Sharon

In a message dated 98-07-30 08:20:32 EDT, you write: > 2 Jacob Geiger b: Abt 1756 > 2 Henry Geiger b: Abt 1758 Peggy and Sharon, I will only comment on these two children from Christopher Geiger's first marriage to his first cousin Mary Barbara Geiger. Peggy, I do now have addtional information on him from the will of his step- mother Mary Robeson Geiger. Her will lists Jacob as living in Fayette County, PA in 1812, and mentions his daughter Sarah Keiger. Sarah's surname is specifically listed as Keiger although all other family members' names are spelled Geiger in the will and inventory. Jacob appears on the Fayette County census records as Jacob Kiger and I am in the process of attempting to sort out just which of the Kigers in that part of PA are descended from this Jacob. Sharon, Henry Geiger is named in the will of his father Christopher Geiger and all we know for sure is that he died prior to 12 February 1805 and that he had been married and had two daughters who are mentioned in the will. Joan

In a message dated 7/30/98 5:16:20 AM Eastern Daylight Time, GEIGER-D- request@rootsweb.com writes: > > >From Rush Co., IN Complete Rec. Probate Book #2 18386-1841. > p.525 > Chancery suit: > Rebecca Kyger, wife of Joseph Kyger dec. > Willis Kyger > George Kyger, Araphman?, Roland & wife Eliza all adults and > James, Joseph, John and Mary Kyger infants with George Kyger as their > guardian > vs. Purnell Bishop and his wife Julian. Nov 1840 Typo on first line >From Rush Co., IN Complete Rec. Probate Book #2 18386-1841. Correct date of Book #2 are 1836-1841 Sorry. Dorothy Vekasi

Sharon, I have a Henry Geiger b. c.1758 and his parents were from Berks Co, PA. Could this be your Henry? Peggy 1 Christopher Geiger b: 1720 Shamrock, Berks Co., PA d: Oct 15, 1805 Robeson Twp, Berks Co, PA +Mary Barbara Geiger b: 1724 Oley, Philadelphia (now Montgomery) Co, PA m: 1753 New Hanover Twp, Montgomery Co, PA d: Oct 27, 1774 Gilbraltor, Berks Co., PA 2 Anthony Geiger b: Apr 26, 1754 Gibraltar, Berks, PA +Christina Derst 2 Jacob Geiger b: Abt 1756 2 Henry Geiger b: Abt 1758 2 Catherine Geiger b: Abt 1760 +William Lewis 2 Elizabeth Geiger b: Abt 1762 +Mr. Dick 2 Mary Magdalena Geiger b: Abt 1764 +Joseph Kendel 2 John Geiger b: Abt 1766 2 Sarah Geiger b: Abt 1768 d: 1862 +Philip Hinkle, Jr. 2 Christina Geiger b: Abt 1770 *2nd Wife of Christopher Geiger: +Mary Robeson b: Mar 10, 1736/37 m: 1775 Montgomery, PA d: Jul 06, 1808 Robeson Twp, Berks Co, PA 2 Elisha Geiger, Sr. b: 1776 Robeson Twp, Berks Co, PA d: Nov 12, 1821 prob Philadelphia, PA +Mary Jones b: May 05, 1775 d: Mar 08, 1842 Bur St John's Church, Berks Co, PA 2 John Geiger > -----Original Message----- > From: SharCraig@aol.com [SMTP:SharCraig@aol.com] > Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 1998 9:49 PM > To: GEIGER-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [GEIGER-L] Geigers from Westmoreland and Somerset Cos., > PA > > Eleanor, > > My Henry Geiger died 1815 in Columbia Co. Pa, but indications are he was > from Berks Co. He would have been born circa 1760. Is there anything in > your group that matches this man. I don't have the rest of the info on > his kids in front of me at the moment. > > Sharon

Mary, that calls for a "small world" comment!! Dick tells me that we stayed at Eppingen one time - funny story there, that I'll tell you some time. Anne ---------- > From: Maryp5243@aol.com > To: GEIGER-L@rootsweb.com > Cc: rconn@magicnet.net > Subject: Re: [GEIGER-L] RE: Ittlingen - Ettlingen; Valentine Geiger of SC. > Date: Wednesday, July 29, 1998 3:12 AM > > Anne, > > When my son lived outside Bretten, in a little village called Ruit, in Baden > Wuerrtemburg, Germany, we often drove through Ettlingen on our way to the base > in Karlsruhe. Tim worked in Pforzheim and surrounding villages....Can't > believe the Geigers were so close by. > > My friend gave me a 1992/93 telephone book for Bretten and surrounding > villages. After checking the 5 villages listed, I find one Geiger listed. > Not many Geigers left in that part of Baden...... > > Mary Phillips > Orlando, FL

BINGO! By George, I think you've got it! That makes perfect sense. I've been discovering some Joshua's in my papers as I work on my FL Pioneer Certificate. When that's done, I will look more carefully and see what I can come up with. Anne ---------- > From: Maryp5243@aol.com > To: GEIGER-L@rootsweb.com > Cc: rconn@magicnet.net > Subject: Re: [GEIGER-L] JOSHUA GEIGER of Bryan Co., GA > Date: Wednesday, July 29, 1998 2:44 AM > > Oh, Anne, I have a headache from trying to place all the Geigers with the > proper parents..... > > My Allen Bethel Geiger (1802 - 1873) had 15 children. > > By lst wife Abigail Riggs.... > > 1. Elizabeth b. 11 April 1827 d. Nov 20, 1911 md. James Richard Eubank > 2. Aaron A. b. 28 May 1828 d. 16 June 1896 md. Millie Sapp d/o James Sapp > 3. Margaret Elizabeth b. 20 May 1829 d. 14 Sept 1874 d. Daniel Hogan at Ft. > McCoy, Marion Co, FL..bur. Ft. McCoy Baptist Cemetery, FL > 4. Abraham Bailey b. May 1830 md. 1) M. Eugenia Bell Geiger d/o John Geiger > (2) Julia Ann Wingate Richardson > 5. Louranah b. 30 Aug 1831 d. 8 April 1886 md. David C. Ogilvie > 6. Eli William b. 29 Jan 1834 d. 5 Oct 1890 md. Francis Drew (IGI says > Francis Mahala Williams d/o Candacy Drew) > > By 2nd wife Mary Ann Buford or Beaufort... > > 7. Cynthia b. 24 Dec 1842 md. (l)Jonathan Blitch , (2) Wiley Lee Jones > 8. Martha b. 1845 md. Rev. William Williams > 9. John A. b. 10 Oct 1847 d. 18 June 1890 md. Jeaneatte Mason > 10.Joseph Henry b. 6 Oct 1849 d. 14 Sept 1905 md. Sarah Burney > 11. Jane b. 1852 md. Francis Marion Starrett > 12. Iraneous b. Dec 1854 d. 1932 md. Mary Elizabeth Lord > 13. Matilda N. b. 1856 md. Owen Christopher Wingate > 14. Isaiah b. 1858 m. Frances J. Jameson > 15. Simon Peter b. 23 July 1860 d. 11 July 1883 (tombstone said died unmarried > of brain fever).... > > In the Chubb book, you quoted..."Aaron told Abraham that Joshua was working in > Jacksonville in 1849"...........Allen Bethel Geiger had sons Aaron A. Geiger > and Abraham Bailey.....do you suppose these are the ones mentioned in the > conversation?....and they were referring to a cousin....Joshua? > > Oh, dear, it's so late and now I really do have a headache.......Night, night. > > Mary

In a message dated 98-07-29 21:10:30 EDT, you write: > I seems very odd to me that he would name specific people and yet say > "Christiana and children". IF she was a fourth wife, I would bet she > brought her own children to the marriage. Maggie, first let me correct a mistatement I made all along here. In looking at the will it appears to say Christina and not Christiana--which really would be the same name anyway--but I wanted to clear that up--the will says Christina. Next--yes--everything about the will and listings is correct in the article. However, like everything else there are two ways of seeing things--the will DOES name the wife Christina and it also names the children, and children of the deceased son Wilhelm--BUT it does not name them lumped all together. The will is divided into paragraphs with the beloved wife Christina in one paragraph and then "my children" in the following paragraphs. Nothing is said to lump Christina the wife to ANY of the children. Christian merely says MY children for all of them. Joan

Arizona Greetings, Recently, I added the surname GEIGER to my Surname page. I would like to invite anyone researching that surname to send me their e-mail addresses which I will add to my Researcher's List for that name. You need NOT be related to my line. Any GEIGER connection is good enough. That page gets a LOT of traffic! -- Blessings, Connie Mayo http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Ranch/1612/index.html The Lydick Connection--See MASTER INDEX-136 files! He is risen from the dead and He is Lord!

My notes from the article Dorthy Boyd-Rush wrote for "The Kiger Kounter" (Vol. 1, Issue 4): "Will was written May 3, 1779 and proved June 19, 1779, Warwick Township, Lancaster County, Pennsylvania. Will names the following: (1) wife: Christiana (Christina) and children (2) Christiana (Christina) who may be a child of either Christian's second or third marriage (3) George (4) Elizabeth (wife of Peter Leib) (5) Margaret/Margaretha (wife of John Bender) (6) Anna (believed to be Anna Maria who married George Dumm) Also mentioned, but not specifically named, were the children of the deceased son Wilhelm. It is likely that the other children of Christian from all three marriages predeceased their father and left no children as they are not included in the will of 1779." I seems very odd to me that he would name specific people and yet say "Christiana and children". IF she was a fourth wife, I would bet she brought her own children to the marriage. Maggie

Sharon: I don't have a Henry in my direct line but he could be a child in another family. Let me see if I have any info on the siblings of any of my direct line and get back to you. Eleanor > -----Original Message----- > From: SharCraig@aol.com [SMTP:SharCraig@aol.com] > Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 1998 9:49 PM > To: GEIGER-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [GEIGER-L] Geigers from Westmoreland and Somerset Cos., > PA > > Eleanor, > > My Henry Geiger died 1815 in Columbia Co. Pa, but indications are he was > from Berks Co. He would have been born circa 1760. Is there anything in > your group that matches this man. I don't have the rest of the info on > his kids in front of me at the moment. > > Sharon

I don't (as yet any way) connect to Christian but is it possible he was illiterate and had someone draw up the will for him who didn't know him well and he said he wanted everything left to the family and gave the names when he was asked and included his wife's name and since he couldn't read wasn't able to check it or in those few remaining days didn't have time to check it? I've come across wills that list the spouse but mention that they are no longer living or in reference to which spouse was the parent of which child if there was more than one parent? It's just a thought. Does someone have the original will to see if he'd signed it with his name or if it was just his mark? Sara

Aren't you glad? I don't have any thing to say about the old fellow's will. I just sending on some more of my research. Whoever finds this family in their line probably already has this information, but thought i'd put it in just in case they didn't. >From Rush Co., IN Complete Rec. Probate Book #2 18386-1841. p.525 Chancery suit: Rebecca Kyger, wife of Joseph Kyger dec. Willis Kyger George Kyger, Araphman?, Roland & wife Eliza all adults and James, Joseph, John and Mary Kyger infants with George Kyger as their guardian vs. Purnell Bishop and his wife Julian. Nov 1840 p.580 Assumpset action: Robert Y. MvBride vs Rebecca Kyger admx. of the estate of Joseph Kyger dec. Feb 1841. It's getting so all names sound familiar. Have to check with computer to see if someone is mine. I don't think any of these folks reside in my data base. Dorothy V.

In reading over Christian Geiger's will yet again I came upon a statement in the will which I think tends to support the position that he had not been married all that long to the named wife Christiana. He states that she is to get all of the furniture that she brought with her into the marriage. Now if he was referring to the wife Christina that he had married in 1752 it would seem odd that he would specify the furniture as being "hers" after 27 years of marriage in 1779. However, if he was referring to a Christiana whom he married after 1773 (who would most likely have been a widow with possessions from her previous marriage)--then it would seem commonplace for him to make mention of items that she brought into the marriage and which would revert to her possession after his death. Comments? Joan

Joan: The Ettingen was a mistyped. Sorry. Has anyone done research in Ittingen and gotten any documents from there? Eleanor > -----Original Message----- > From: JYoung6180@aol.com [SMTP:JYoung6180@aol.com] > Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 1998 5:49 PM > To: GEIGER-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [GEIGER-L] Geigers from Westmoreland and Somerset Cos., > PA > > In a message dated 98-07-28 17:08:37 EDT, you write: > > > I want to comment on > > the fact that many people did not have John as the first born child of > > Benjamin Geiger and Caterina but our family has an original > confirmation > > certificate for him listing them as his parents and his birth record is > in > > the Hill Church. > > Yes, many charts do not list your John as a child of Benjamin and > Caterina--but that is only because they have not made the link between the > Benjamin who was in North Annville in 1798 having John bapt. at > Quitopahilla > (Hill) Church. Your private confirmation record of the same John years > later > in Westmoreland County and referring to his bapt. in North Annville is > proof > they are the same family. This migration record also makes it much easier > to > see that he is also the Benjamin you cite in your chart born in 1777 in > Berks > County. I am working on establishing whether Benjamin's brother Charles > may > also have migrated to western PA and may well be Charles Kiger of Greene > County. We shall see if the facts bear that out. > > The only think I would comment on in your chart is that I have never seen > the > spelling Ettlingen--always Ittlingen for the town in Northern Kraichgau > from > which the Geigers emigrated. > > Joan