For those of you interested in the Christian Geiger line, there are two Websites online you can go into for more information. The first one is the Family Tree Maker site that contains the Database of over 10,000 descendants of Christian Geiger. This Site can be reached at: http://www.familytreemaker.com/users/k/y/g/Russell-A-Kyger/ The second is more flexible in how we can present information online and is located in Geocities at: http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Ridge/3251/ Also, since there has been a lot of discussion on the Will of Christian Geiger of late, We have been working on getting the Will online for everyone to read for themselves.. The complete Will in both a actual 'scan' of the document and a typed version will be available by Wednesdays the 5th of his month... For a preview of the text version you can take a sneak peek at: http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Ridge/3251/webpage/willofchristian.htm l Certain "Browsers" automatically add the (Http://) so you may only need to add the (www.ect) Russ

Joan, Have you ANY idea from where my line came ? "Kraichgau" appears on no map anywhere in Germany.....that I can find anyway..............Thank you..........Take care ! D�sir�e

In a message dated 98-08-03 01:22:05 EDT, you write: > Alsatian means they came from Alsace. Alsace is a part of western > France which has had a rather unstable history being part of Germany and > France at different times. Strasbourg is in Alsace if you look at a map of > current day France. Sorry! Alsace is a part of EASTERN France--next to Germany--I never was very good at directions. Joan

In a message dated 98-08-03 01:18:42 EDT, you write: > Descendants of Johann George "George John" Geiger > > 1 Johann George "George John" Geiger b: June 02, 1748 in Lancaster > County, Pennsylvania d: Aft. 1807 > .. +Barbara Kline b: in Clay Township, Lancaster County, Pennsylvania m: > 1774 in Lancaster County, Pennsylvania d: Bef. 1793 > ........ 2 Johannes George Giger, Jr b: February 03, 1777 in Manheim > Township, Lancaster County, Pennsylvania d: April 17, 1826 in Marine > Township, Madison County, Illionis > ............ +Susannah Creek b: 1763 in Lancaster County, Pennsylvania m: > February 05, 1798 in Jefferson County, Tennessee d: April 08, 1856 in > Marine, Illinois > ........ 2 Catharina Geiger b: December 27, 1778 in Manheim Lancaster > County, Pennsylvania > ............ +James Cunnynham b: 1767 in Ulster, Ireland m: August 09, 1797 > in Jefferson County, Tennessee d: November 25, 1845 in Beans Creek > community, Coffee County, Tennessee > ........ 2 Susannah Geiger b: December 27, 1780 in Lancaster County, > Pennsylvania > ........ 2 Jacob Geiger b: Unknown d: Bef. 1821 > ........ 2 George W. Gyger b: Unknown d: October 11, 1830 in Washington > County, Indiana > ............ +Tabitha Henderson b: in Virginia m: January 30, 1804 in > Jefferson County, Tennessee d: May 1850 in Decker Township, Lawrence County, > Indiana > *2nd Wife of Johann George "George John" Geiger: > .. +Anna Creek b: November 19, 1765 in Lancaster County, Pennsylvania m: > January 07, 1793 in Shenandoah County, Virginia d: October 12, 1837 in > Sangamon County, Illinois > ........ 2 Susannah Giger b: September 26, 1795 in Jefferson County, > Tennessee d: September 21, 1859 in Cooper Township, Sangamon County, > Illinois > ............ +John Cooper m: October 15, 1816 in Jefferson County, > Tennessee d: January 1860 in Cooper Township, Sangamon County, Illinois > ........ 2 Mary Giger b: June 11, 1797 in Jefferson County, Tennessee d: > July 01, 1845 in Sangamon County, Illinois (later Cooper Township) > ............ +John Charles Eckel b: November 27, 1793 in Baltimore, > Maryland m: November 19, 1819 in Jefferson County, Tennessee d: May 29, 1857 > in Sangamon County, Illinois > ........ 2 Henry Giger b: May 14, 1799 in Jefferson County, Tennessee d: > November 21, 1844 in Cooper Township, Sangamon County, Illinois > ............ +Nancy Todd m: in Jefferson County, Tennessee d: 1888 > ........ 2 Benjamin Giger b: July 25, 1803 in Jefferson County, Tennessee > d: June 1850 in Brownsville, Pennsylvania > ............ +Susanna Todd m: November 18, 1832 in Sangamon County, > Illinois > ........ 2 Anna Giger b: November 04, 1807 in Jefferson County, Tennessee > d: February 24, 1844 in Sangamon County, Illinois > ............ +John North m: September 22, 1828 in Jefferson County, > Tennessee > Maggie, boy am I glad I get my mail to the list sent to two different e-mail addresses. I never DID get this message on AOL for some weird reason. But there is was in my digest. Basically I have the same thing you do in my records. Only I am beginning to think you have added a few details I didn't have. For example the child of George Geiger above that you have listed as Johannes George, Jr., born in 1777 in Lancaster County is shown on his bapt. record as Johannes Geiger--did you learn something I don't know about to indicate he is actually Johann George, Jr.? As a general rule "Johannes" would not be used with a second name--such as George. It is customary for "Johann" to be used with another name though. Also the later son George W. Geiger. I didn't have any middle initial for him--looks like you have been learning things I don't know about. :) Joan

For those of you interested in the Christian Geiger line, there are two Websites online you can go into for more information. The first one is the Family Tree Maker site that contains the Database of over 10,000 descendants of Christian Geiger. This Site can be reached at: http://www.familytreemaker.com/users/k/y/g/Russell-A-Kyger/ The second is more flexible in how we can present information online and is located in Geocities at: http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Ridge/3251/ Also, since there has been a lot of discussion on the Will of Christian Geiger of late, I have been working on getting the Will online for everyone to read for themselves.. The complete will in both a actual 'scan' of the document and a type version will be available by Wednesdays the 5th of his month... For a preview of the text version you can take a sneak peek at: http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Ridge/3251/webpage/willofchristian.htm l Certain "Browsers" automatically add the (Http://) so you may only need to add the (www.ect) Russ

In a message dated 98-08-03 00:22:24 EDT, woody@nni.com writes: > Can you tell me what Alsatian means? It was mentioned in a previous > note that the Geiger surname was derived from German/Swiss//Alsatian Scott, Alsatian means they came from Alsace. Alsace is a part of western France which has had a rather unstable history being part of Germany and France at different times. Strasbourg is in Alsace if you look at a map of current day France. The people of Alsace come from varied backgrounds and at one time many were German speaking. Villages of Alsace also have both German and French names due to the turbulent history (although they are known today by their French names). My own Geiger family came from Alsace as did the ancestors of several others on the list. At least some of the Geigers in Alsace were originally from elsewhere in Germany or Switzerland. Joan

Thanks Maggie: Here is my direct line: 1.Joseph Giger, b 1806 TN d 27 Dec 1861 Marine Twp. Madidon Co., IL m 28 Jun 1835 Madison Co. IL to Mary Chance. 2. Jordan Giger, b 1839 in St Jacobs, Marine Twp. Madison Co. IL- d 3 Jun 1864 in Madison Co. IL m 25 Dec 1859 in Madison Co., IL to Mary Jane Graham. 3. William Monroe "Shack" Giger, b 28 Oct, 1860, Madison Co., IL d 1 Jul 1934, Iantha, Barton Co., MO, buried Iantha Cemetery. He married: Winoea (Winnie) Hizar in Iantha, MO 4. Leona Ann Giger, b 17 Apr 1899, Central Twp., Barton Co., MO. d 7 Dec.1976 Riverside, CA- buried Crestlawn Cemetery, Riverside, CA. m 24 Dec 1916, Barton Co., MO John Thomas Waring (THESE ARE MY PATERNAL GRANDPARENTS.) I have several aunts, uncles, cousins of this family too.

Thank you, Maggie... That info is overwhelming! Thank you ! I have sent along some of my sources of information regarding Joseph Giger, b 10 Aug 1806 in TN. and Jordan Giger, b 25 Dec, 1839. I have copies of the probate records at my home. (I am on vacation at the moment, and don't have them with me). Hope this helps. JOSEPH GIGER: SOURCE: Census information: 1830 ILLINOIS CENSUS INDEX: Joseph Giger, Madison Co. pg 200 NO Twp L 1840 ILLINOIS CENSUS INDEX: Joseph Giger, Madison Co. pg 083 Marine 1850 ILLINOIS CENSUS INDEX: Joseph Giger, Madison Co. pg 467 3 N 6 W 1860 ILLINOIS CENSUS INDEX: Joseph Giger, Madison Co. pg 365 Alhambra SOURCE: 1850 Federal Illinois Census-Madison Co: GIGER, Joseph age 45, male, white, farmer, RE Value 2000 b TN Mary age 27, female,white b KY William age 22, male, white, farmer b IL Rhoda age 17, female,white b IL Henry age 13, male white b IL Jordan age 10, male white b IL Maria age 8 female white b IL Charles age 5 male white b IL Catharine age 4 female white b IL Joseph age 6/12 male white b IL and 1 boarder !SOURCE: Death date from Illinois Regional Archives (Madison Co.) Letter of Administration. (See probate records) !SOURCE: Marriage license # 197, Vol. 6 page 30 JORDAN GIGER: ! SOURCE: Oral Family History: Jordan Giger & his wife died within days of each due to an epidemic of cholera or typhoid. His two children were raised by his mother, Mary Chance Giger. !SOURCE: 1860 ILLINOIS CENSUS INDEX: Jourdern Giger, Madison Co. pg 713 Marinetown P !SOURCE: Death date provided by Illinois Regional Archives for Madison Co. Petition for letter of Administration, From Probate records in Probate Court No. 516 (4?) File box #97. Died intestate. His net worth was less than the amount he was indebted at the time of his death.

In a message dated 98-08-02 20:06:10 EDT, you write: > I have gone back to check and found these as my sources for MOSES GIGER: > > SOURCE: 1830 ILLINOIS CENSUS INDEX: Moses Giger, Madison Co. pg 170 > NO Twp L > 1830 Federal Census ILLINOIS, Madison Co = 1 male between 20 & > > 30 years and 1 Female between 20 & 30 Years. > 1840 ILLINOIS CENSUS INDEX: Moses Giger, Madison Co. pg 078 > Highland 1840 Federal Census ILLINOIS, Madison Co. = > 2 males bet 5 & 10; 1 male betw 40/50 > 2 females under 5; 1 female betw 30/40 > Katy, yes--Moses Giger was your Joseph Giger's older brother. Joan

In a message dated 98-08-02 19:35:57 EDT, you write: > Unfortunately, the server is down > at the moment. Will try again later. Katy, yes the server is down--I checked also. What a disappointment when you are anxious to check it out. Russ also has Webpages at Geocities but I don't have the URL handy. Joan

Joan, I have gone back to check and found these as my sources for MOSES GIGER: SOURCE: 1830 ILLINOIS CENSUS INDEX: Moses Giger, Madison Co. pg 170 NO Twp L 1830 Federal Census ILLINOIS, Madison Co = 1 male between 20 & 30 years and 1 Female between 20 & 30 Years. 1840 ILLINOIS CENSUS INDEX: Moses Giger, Madison Co. pg 078 Highland 1840 Federal Census ILLINOIS, Madison Co. = 2 males bet 5 & 10; 1 male betw 40/50 2 females under 5; 1 female betw 30/40

In a message dated 8/2/98 5:12:29 PM Mountain Daylight Time, JYoung6180@aol.com writes: > Katy, welcome to the Geiger list. As I am sure you will learn from MANY MANY > cousins on this list your ancester Jordan Geiger/Giger, son of Joseph > Geiger/Giger, was (surprise, surprise) NOT the son of another Moses Geiger. > His parents were John Giger and Susannah Creek. Also, his father was NOT > born > in Germany but in Lancaster County, PA. He was the son of Johan George > Geiger > and Barbara Kline/Klein. George Geiger was the son of Christian Geiger and > his second wife Anna Maria Esskuchin. We have lots and lots of information > on > this Geiger family. Christian Geiger arrived in America on the ship > Charming > Nancy in 1737 and settled in Warwick Township, Lancaster County, PA. > Perhaps > the best way for you to get acquainted with this family would be to visit > the > Christian Geiger Website that Russ Kyger has put together at the following > address: <A HREF="http://www.familytreemaker.com/users/k/y/g/Russell-A- "> Kyger/GENE1-0001.html">Christian Geiger genealogy</A> > Joan... Thank you for your prompt reply. This is so exciting to me, I can hardly wait to connect with the link you have sent. Unfortunately, the server is down at the moment. Will try again later. I have sent a private Email. Thank you again! Katy

In a message dated 98-08-02 18:55:17 EDT, you write: > Looking for any information on MOSES GEIGER/GIGER, > born in Germany? Five of his children were: > 1. Jacob b. abt 1790 > 2. Moses, b 1880/1810 > 3. Joseph, b 1806 in TN- d 1882 MO. m.(1st) 28 June 1835 in Madison Co., IL > to > Mary > Chance, m.(2nd) Nancy McAdams. > Children of Joseph & Mary: > 1. Henry, b 1837 > 2. Jordan, b 1839 St. Jacobs, Madison Co., IL m. Mary Jane Graham > 3. Charles S., b 1845 IL > 4. Joseph Chance, b 9 Dec 1849 > 5. Schuyler, > 6. Riley > 7. Laura Matilda, b 16 Dec 1855 > 8. Irene (Mary?) > 9. Aaron Lewis, b 4 Dec 1861 > > 4. Susanna, b 1810/15 > 5. William, b 1810/20 > > Any help on any of these would be greatly appreciated. > Thanks, > Katy > Katy, welcome to the Geiger list. As I am sure you will learn from MANY MANY cousins on this list your ancester Jordan Geiger/Giger, son of Joseph Geiger/Giger, was (surprise, surprise) NOT the son of another Moses Geiger. His parents were John Giger and Susannah Creek. Also, his father was NOT born in Germany but in Lancaster County, PA. He was the son of Johan George Geiger and Barbara Kline/Klein. George Geiger was the son of Christian Geiger and his second wife Anna Maria Esskuchin. We have lots and lots of information on this Geiger family. Christian Geiger arrived in America on the ship Charming Nancy in 1737 and settled in Warwick Township, Lancaster County, PA. Perhaps the best way for you to get acquainted with this family would be to visit the Christian Geiger Website that Russ Kyger has put together at the following address: <A HREF="http://www.familytreemaker.com/users/k/y/g/Russell-A- Kyger/GENE1-0001.html">Christian Geiger genealogy</A> Also, if you would like to contact me privately I would be happy to tell about a book that is available about this particular Giger family descending from George Giger, son of Christian. Joan

Hi, I'm a new 'rooter'. Looking for any information on MOSES GEIGER/GIGER, born in Germany? Five of his children were: 1. Jacob b. abt 1790 2. Moses, b 1880/1810 3. Joseph, b 1806 in TN- d 1882 MO. m.(1st) 28 June 1835 in Madison Co., IL to Mary Chance, m.(2nd) Nancy McAdams. Children of Joseph & Mary: 1. Henry, b 1837 2. Jordan, b 1839 St. Jacobs, Madison Co., IL m. Mary Jane Graham 3. Charles S., b 1845 IL 4. Joseph Chance, b 9 Dec 1849 5. Schuyler, 6. Riley 7. Laura Matilda, b 16 Dec 1855 8. Irene (Mary?) 9. Aaron Lewis, b 4 Dec 1861 4. Susanna, b 1810/15 5. William, b 1810/20 Any help on any of these would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Katy

In a message dated 98-08-02 18:03:10 EDT, you write: > It is interesting that the Heinrich you cited married a Rudebush as one of > the > families in Hamilton Co. Indiana where my Geigers settled, Joesph, Jacob > and Elias. there is the family Roudebush, who came from Pa. Sharon, I am virtually certain that Rudebush and Roudebush would be the same surname--never underestimate the importance of allied families--I will be interested in your findings. I think there is more in the Henckel genealogy concerning this Henry--so we can compare with what you find. I think I have the listing of Henry Geiger's children in the book. Joan

Ok, let me really foul up the works, on the baptisms that I listed, on one of the listings, the father was Johann Carl. I don't know if this helps or hurts your quest. I don't have the list in front of me to check for Charles but will check on Tuesday It is interesting that the Heinrich you cited married a Rudebush as one of the families in Hamilton Co. Indiana where my Geigers settled, Joesph, Jacob and Elias. there is the family Roudebush, who came from Pa. Sharon

In a message dated 98-08-02 09:53:07 EDT, you write: > From Berks Co. Pa. Births I have: > > Anna Maria b. 10/11/1780, Carl and Anna Maria > Catharina, b. 10/18/1777 Carl and Anna Maria > Maria Elisabetha, b. 3/13/1776, Carl and Anna Maria > > all from the Records of the Rockland Lutheran Church, Rockland Twp. Berks > Co. Would this be the second Carl or the first? > > that is all in this list, but I would be interested in Henrich b. 1789, > could > he be > my Henrich? > Sharon, to answer briefly--no--I doubt you would be interested in Henrich Geiger born in 1789--we know where he went and who he married which I will include below. Basically my dilemma is as follows. As everyone knows I am working on sorting out the ancestry of Charles Kiger of Greene County, PA who first appeared on a census record in Fayette County, PA in 1800. Based on ages for Charles in a combination of records I can establish that he was born between 1770-1774. I have been attempting to trace the known Charles/Carl Kigers and Geigers, as well as Geiger/Kiger families in which the given name Charles appears at some early point. In the early families Charles only appears to my knowledge in the descendants of Valentine Geiger of Ittlingen, Germany. There are two early Charles Geigers that I know of in this family. Below I will list what I know about each one. This will help you to understand my problem with identifying the Johann Carl Geiger of the Berks County baptismal record I cited in my message to the list. Charles/Carl Geiger, the 11th child of Valentine Geiger (Valentine was born 21 December 1685 in Ittlingen, Germany, and emigrated to America in 1717 and settled in New Hanover Township, Phila. Co., now Montgomery Co., PA). Charles was the child of Valentine's second marriage to Maria Elizabeth Schmidt. This Charles/Carl Geiger married twice--first to Anna Maria Dilbon (with whom he had 8 children) on 26 April 1774, and second to Margaret Specht (Neuman) a widow (with whom he had 2 additional children) on 14 August 1796. The children are: First marriage: Maria Elizabeth Geiger born 13 March 1776. She married George Fritz and had one son. Catherine Geiger born 18 Oct. 1777--died prior to May 1828. Jacob Geiger born 28 Feb. 1779. Married Christina Schoener/Shaner (a descendant of Melchior Shaner and his wife Anna Maria Geiger) and is buried in Pottstown, Montgomery Co., PA. Anna Maria Geiger born 19 Oct. 1780--died prior to May 1828. Margaret Geiger born 1 Oct. 1784--and died prior to May 1828. Charles Geiger, Jr. born about 1787. Married Elizabeth Dengler in New Hanover Twp. and died in 1823 in Pottsgrove Twp., Montgomery Co., PA. Heinrich Geiger born 7 Oct. 1789 in Rockland Twp., Berks County and married Julia Ann Rudebush. They had 14 children. They eventually settled in Ohio where Henry was connected with Wittenburg College. George Geiger born 13 Feb. 1791-bapt. Mertz Church. He married Elizabeth Schoen. Second marriage: Salome Geiger born 5 May 1800. She married George Ziehler in New Hanover Twp. and had no known children. Jonas Geiger born 8 Jan. 1802. He married Elizabeth Hatfield in New Hanover Twp. and had two children. OK--that takes care of the first Charles/Carl Geiger. Now here is the second early Charles in this family: Charles/Carl Geiger, born 26 June, 1772 and bapt. at Mertz Church, Rockland Twp., Berks County, PA. He was the son of Benjamin Geiger, born 9 March 1748 and his wife Elizabeth (maiden name unknown). Benjamin Geiger, in turn, was the 10th child of Valentine Geiger of Ittlingen, Germany named above--and next older brother of the Charles cited above. Therefore, the first Charles Geiger was the uncle of the second one listed here. This Charles is my number one suspect as being the Charles Kiger who settled first in Fayette County and later in Greene County, PA as he disappears from eastern PA at the same time Charles Kiger appears in Fayette County in 1800. This Charles had only one sibling--a brother named Benjamin born in 1777. This Benjamin is the Benjamin Geiger who is the ancestor of Eleanor Myers a researcher on this list. Benjamin moved first to North Annville in what is now Lebanon Co. and later (by the very early 1800s) to Westmoreland County--which would put him very near the Charles Kiger I am studying. Now I think if you review all of the above information, with the realization that it is important for me to consider ALL Charles/Carl Geigers or Kigers--you will understand why I am attempting to identify the Johann Carl Geiger in the baptismal record from Schwartzwald Reformed Church, Exeter Twp. Berks County, PA in 1789. I can rule out any of the above Charles Geigers--so who is THIS Carl/Charles? The only one I know about who would be old enough to be this Charles in the first one listed above who is the son of Valentine--but as I explained, it cannot be him as he had another child born within months of this Sarah bapt. at Schwartzwald. I love a good mystery but I would really like to solve this one. Joan

>From Berks Co. Pa. Births I have: Anna Maria b. 10/11/1780, Carl and Anna Maria Catharina, b. 10/18/1777 Carl and Anna Maria Maria Elisabetha, b. 3/13/1776, Carl and Anna Maria all from the Records of the Rockland Lutheran Church, Rockland Twp. Berks Co. Would this be the second Carl or the first? that is all in this list, but I would be interested in Henrich b. 1789, could he be my Henrich? Sharon

>From the records of Schwartzwald Reformed Church, Reading, PA, Sarah Geiger, daughter of Johann Carl Geiger and wife not named, was born 15 August 1789. The sponsor at her baptism was Sarah Lies (or Fick). [Note: she cannot be the daughter of Carl/Charles Geiger, son of Valentine Geiger, since that Carl and his wife had a son Heinrich born 7 October 1789.] So who is this Sarah and who is Johann Carl her father? Joan

>From west of the Rockies, I'll probably be posting Geiger researchers on my website tomorrow. If you want to add the name of the Geiger &/or spouse that you're researching, please send that to me. Also, if they are in other states, I will be happy to list 3 states for you. Perhaps, with a bit more detail, others will save you and themselves some needless queries. -- Blessings, Connie Mayo http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Ranch/1612/index.html The Lydick Connection--See MASTER INDEX-136 files! He is risen from the dead and He is Lord!