Thanks, Tom and Roland, for your helpful comments. I feel much better about it now. I wonder if anyone else listened to the voice and did they hear it like I did? I realize that synthesized voices can sound very odd (just listen to most telephone answering machines) and my ears are getting old! Tom, you said you noticed some excellent translation programs at that site. Would you have a recommendation for translating a Swiss genealogy book my husband has given up on (old book, modern print)? Anne C. -----Original Message----- From: T.G.Geiger <[email protected]> Hello Anne, Just to fill you in: Geiger, or Gyger or Gijger, or Giger are pronounced in the German language in the same way. there is no difference in. That applies for the Dutch language of the surname Geiger or Giger as well, only in the German language is the +G+ pronounced more softly, more from behind of your throat. I guess that is why you were hearing: " To my ears, GYGER was GOOGA. GIGER was GEEGA" That translation program was noticing a difference in the second letter +Y+ or +I+ If you ask a German to pronounce Geiger or Gyger, you will not hear any difference. to add some more I have below a part of a mail by Gerald Gieger: =======Dear Tom: I have no problem with your spelling. For at least the past four generations, my ancestors have pronounced the name 'gighger' with a soft h sound almost rhyming with the English word 'bigger' and they spelled it 'ie' but sometimes it got recorded as 'ei' chiefly because the British Colony scriveners could not understand the guttural Switzerdeutsch. So, at least one time it was recorded as Kegar, and also as Giger, Gigger, and Grigger. The German Geiger's who arrived in the Port of Philadelphia about 1740 (+/- a few years) have always spelled it GEIGER, but I am told that some of the western Pennsylvanian oldtimers pronounce it "gighger" I don't speak Switzerdeutsch or even Deutsche for that matter, but relate to a High School teachers who does and her father also speaks fluently so I depend upon them when I hit a brick wall...I was told that the 'y' in Gyger is pronounced sort of like the 'i' in the English word 'it' and as in Gymnasium. There are folks in the US who spell their name Kiger or Kiker, who are also descended from the German Geiger's who came to Philadelphia. The sound of the hard "G" and the "K" are similar... We must discuss more about this in the future===== Besides of the +sounds+ programme, Í notice some excellent translation programs at that site you reffering to I hope my and Gerald's comments added something to the difficulties of language of our German/Swiss ancestors. Regards from The Netherlands, Thomas Georg Geiger (Tom) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Connell" <[email protected]> > I think everyone on the list would find this website of great interest. I > have already used it to translate a little of my Swiss records and to listen > to the pronunciation of GYGER and GIGER. > > http://users.rootsweb.com/~deuhes/Hessen/language.htm > > If you scroll way down to a box that says "Learning German: ....." you can > type in German words and listen to a synthesized voice pronounce them (if > you have sound) .... You may have to try diff. audio formats to make it work > for you. > > It goes fast, so I set it on "slowest" and typed "GYGER" and "GIGER" several > times each. I was amazed at what I heard. > > To my ears, GYGER was GOOGA. GIGER was GEEGA. > > Comments, please? Anne C. >

Another thought. Couldn't the BACHER family have gone on to Orangeburg Dist. (Saxe Gotha) with the GEIGERS, et al, and there had perhaps a son or two ... All the children grow up and marry ... Thos. BACHER dies 1748 ... Abraham GEIGER dies 7 May 1766 ... Apollonia and Ulrich are married and by 1 Jul 1766, have four children (mentioned when he applies for permission to remove to Georgia) - they being perhaps Christian (b. 1756-died 25 Jan 1770, buried Zion Cemetery, Ebenezer, GA.) and for sure, Abraham (est. 1758 to 1761), Felix (1763) and John (1765). Rachel (1769, b. across the Great Ogeechee), Mary (1771) and Cornelius (1774) were born in GA. [these are all I know of.] Jones' "Detailed Reports on the Salzburger Emigrants Who Settled in America" says Apollonia's older sister Maria BACHER married Balthasar RIESER in 1752 - could that not have been in SC? And thus, could they not have moved to GA with the others? Perhaps their brothers didn't want to uproot their families from SC and may be the source of the BAKER/GEIGER families there. The William BAKER (b. 1759) whose dau. married John Conrad GEIGER might easily be a nephew of Maria and Apollonia! If all this is correct, I suspect that both grandmothers had died in SC by mid-1766 or Ulrich and Apollonia would never have left! Anne C. -----Original Message----- >Without looking it up at 1:00 a.m. ... I'm sure the RESTER land bordered >Ulrich's land. I couldn't find BACHER or SCHWEIGER in my data base, but I >did find a BAKER family in the Orangeburg District. William BAKER (b. 1759) >and Barbara LYKES had a dau. Eleanor Barbara BAKER, who married John Conrad >GEIGER in 1829. He was a great grandson of the famous Herman GEIGER and >Elizabeth HABLUTZEL .... Herman being the son of Gov. Hs. Jacob GEIGER. >

Gerry, You should be excited!!! You are the first person who has put 2 and 2 together to come up with a very logical connection. I believe you have "hit the jackpot" on Appolonia! Great detective work!! Nancy Geiger Ford

In einer eMail vom 28.08.00 13:06:36 (MEZ) - Mitteleurop. Sommerzeit schreibt [email protected]: << If you ask a German to pronounce Geiger or Gyger, you will not hear any difference. >> that's right. Roland

Hello Anne, Just to fill you in: Geiger, or Gyger or Gijger, or Giger are pronounced in the German language in the same way. there is no difference in. That applies for the Dutch language of the surname Geiger or Giger as well, only in the German language is the +G+ pronounced more softly, more from behind of your throat. I guess that is why you were hearing: " To my ears, GYGER was GOOGA. GIGER was GEEGA" That translation program was noticing a difference in the second letter +Y+ or +I+ If you ask a German to pronounce Geiger or Gyger, you will not hear any difference. to add some more I have below a part of a mail by Gerald Gieger: =======Dear Tom: I have no problem with your spelling. For at least the past four generations, my ancestors have pronounced the name 'gighger' with a soft h sound almost rhyming with the English word 'bigger' and they spelled it 'ie' but sometimes it got recorded as 'ei' chiefly because the British Colony scriveners could not understand the guttural Switzerdeutsch. So, at least one time it was recorded as Kegar, and also as Giger, Gigger, and Grigger. The German Geiger's who arrived in the Port of Philadelphia about 1740 (+/- a few years) have always spelled it GEIGER, but I am told that some of the western Pennsylvanian oldtimers pronounce it "gighger" I don't speak Switzerdeutsch or even Deutsche for that matter, but relate to a High School teachers who does and her father also speaks fluently so I depend upon them when I hit a brick wall...I was told that the 'y' in Gyger is pronounced sort of like the 'i' in the English word 'it' and as in Gymnasium. There are folks in the US who spell their name Kiger or Kiker, who are also descended from the German Geiger's who came to Philadelphia. The sound of the hard "G" and the "K" are similar... We must discuss more about this in the future===== Besides of the +sounds+ programme, Í notice some excellent translation programs at that site you reffering to I hope my and Gerald's comments added something to the difficulties of language of our German/Swiss ancestors. Regards from The Netherlands, Thomas Georg Geiger (Tom) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Connell" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, August 28, 2000 4:25 AM Subject: [GEIGER] Languages (http://users.rootsweb.com/~deuhes/Hessen/language.htm) > I think everyone on the list would find this website of great interest. I > have already used it to translate a little of my Swiss records and to listen > to the pronunciation of GYGER and GIGER. > > http://users.rootsweb.com/~deuhes/Hessen/language.htm > > If you scroll way down to a box that says "Learning German: ....." you can > type in German words and listen to a synthesized voice pronounce them (if > you have sound) .... You may have to try diff. audio formats to make it work > for you. > > It goes fast, so I set it on "slowest" and typed "GYGER" and "GIGER" several > times each. I was amazed at what I heard. > > To my ears, GYGER was GOOGA. GIGER was GEEGA. > > Comments, please? Anne C. > > > > > > ==== GEIGER Mailing List ==== > Check out our GEIGER homepage at: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~geiger/ > > ============================== > Personalized Mailing Lists: never miss a connection again. > http://pml.rootsweb.com/ > Brought to you by RootsWeb.com. >

Gerry, I think you've found our Apollonia!!! Without looking it up at 1:00 a.m. ... I'm sure the RESTER land bordered Ulrich's land. I couldn't find BACHER or SCHWEIGER in my data base, but I did find a BAKER family in the Orangeburg District. William BAKER (b. 1759) and Barbara LYKES had a dau. Eleanor Barbara BAKER, who married John Conrad GEIGER in 1829. He was a great grandson of the famous Herman GEIGER and Elizabeth HABLUTZEL .... Herman being the son of Gov. Hs. Jacob GEIGER. You deserve a medal!! Anne C. -----Original Message----- From: Gerald Gieger <[email protected]> To: [email protected] <[email protected]> Date: Monday, August 28, 2000 12:32 AM Subject: [GEIGER] Apollonia - maiden name >Hey Cousins: > >Am I Excited???? > >I was perusing the listing of Original Georgia Salzburger Settlers ><http://www.crosswinds.net/~djmabry/salzburger/salzsett.html> which was >taken from George Fenwick Jones, ed. Detailed Reports on the Salzburger >Emigrants Who Settled in America, Vol. X, (Athens, GA: The University of >Georgia Press, 1988), pg 134-135. > >Under the 2nd Salzburg Transport which arrived on 28 Dec 1734 aboard the >Prince of Wales of Capt. George Dunbar, there is a Thomas Bacher(d1748) and >his wife, Maria Schweiger, with two daughters, Apollonia (b1729) and >Maria(b1727) who married Balthasar Rieser in 1752... > >Am I Excited???? > >Page 48 of The Ebenezer Record Book lists a Rester (nee, Rieser??) couple as >sponsors at the Baptism of Ulric's daughter, Rachel in 1769, and Page 64 >lists a Rister (nee, Rieser??) couple as sponsors at the Baptism of Ulric's >son, Cornelius in 1774... > >How logical can it be that the brother-in-law or nephew of our Grandmother >Apollonia would sponsor her children's Baptism...So her maiden name would be >Bacher, and it was right before our noses all the time...moreover, this same >couple is listed on several other pages with the name spelled "Rester." > >A birth year of 1729 would be a compatible age to marry Ulric. > >Comments anyone??? >See you at Ebenezer next weekend. > >Gerry > >_________________________________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > >Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at >http://profiles.msn.com. > > >==== GEIGER Mailing List ==== >To subscribe or unsubscribe from this list send an e-mail to: [email protected] (mail mode) or [email protected] (digest mode) and put only one word--either SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE in the subject and the body of the message. > >============================== >Genealogy calendars, guestbooks and more: >Visit RootsWeb's Resource Center at >http://resources.rootsweb.com/ >

Hey Cousins: Am I Excited???? I was perusing the listing of Original Georgia Salzburger Settlers <http://www.crosswinds.net/~djmabry/salzburger/salzsett.html> which was taken from George Fenwick Jones, ed. Detailed Reports on the Salzburger Emigrants Who Settled in America, Vol. X, (Athens, GA: The University of Georgia Press, 1988), pg 134-135. Under the 2nd Salzburg Transport which arrived on 28 Dec 1734 aboard the Prince of Wales of Capt. George Dunbar, there is a Thomas Bacher(d1748) and his wife, Maria Schweiger, with two daughters, Apollonia (b1729) and Maria(b1727) who married Balthasar Rieser in 1752... Am I Excited???? Page 48 of The Ebenezer Record Book lists a Rester (nee, Rieser??) couple as sponsors at the Baptism of Ulric's daughter, Rachel in 1769, and Page 64 lists a Rister (nee, Rieser??) couple as sponsors at the Baptism of Ulric's son, Cornelius in 1774... How logical can it be that the brother-in-law or nephew of our Grandmother Apollonia would sponsor her children's Baptism...So her maiden name would be Bacher, and it was right before our noses all the time...moreover, this same couple is listed on several other pages with the name spelled "Rester." A birth year of 1729 would be a compatible age to marry Ulric. Comments anyone??? See you at Ebenezer next weekend. Gerry _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com.

I think everyone on the list would find this website of great interest. I have already used it to translate a little of my Swiss records and to listen to the pronunciation of GYGER and GIGER. http://users.rootsweb.com/~deuhes/Hessen/language.htm If you scroll way down to a box that says "Learning German: ....." you can type in German words and listen to a synthesized voice pronounce them (if you have sound) .... You may have to try diff. audio formats to make it work for you. It goes fast, so I set it on "slowest" and typed "GYGER" and "GIGER" several times each. I was amazed at what I heard. To my ears, GYGER was GOOGA. GIGER was GEEGA. Comments, please? Anne C.

Forwarded from another List - hope this helps someone... Allie is usually Alice, Aline, or Aletha Bell is usually Arabella, Annabelle, Isabel, Rosabel, etc. Cindy is usually Lucinda or Cynthia Daisy is usually Margaret Delia is usually Cordelia or Adelia Dora is usually Theodora, Eudora, or Dorothy Effie is usually Euphemia (but sometimes Sarah) Elsie is usually Elizabeth Fanny is usually Frances Greta is usually Margaret Hal, Hank or Harry is usually Henry Hallie is usually Harriet or Henrietta Hettie is usually Hester, but sometimes Esther or Henrietta Jack is usually John Jake is usually Jacob Jenny is usually Jane, Virginia, Janet, or Jennifer Larry is usually Lawrence Lena or Lina is usually a name ending in those letters (Eme-, Se-,He-, Magda-, Pau-, Ange-, etc.) Lettie is usually Letitia Libby is usually Elizabeth Madge, Midge, Meg, Maggie, or Maisie is usually Margaret Mattie is usually Martha, but sometimes Matilda May or Maisie is usually Mary Millie is usually Mildred, but sometimes Amelia or Millicent or even Mary Minnie is usually Mary Molly is usually Mary Nancy is usually Agnes or Ann(e) Nannie is usually Nancy Nell is usually Ellen, Helen, or Eleanor Nora is usually Eleanor, Honora, or Lenore Patsy is usually Martha or Patricia, but sometimes Matilda or Patience Peggy is usually Margaret Polly is usually Mary Sally or Sadie is usually Sarah Sukie is usually Susan Tillie is usually Matilda Xr is Christopher Zeke may be Ezekiel, or Hezekiah ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com

Forwarded from another list... Some commonly seen abbreviations of religious, military, fraternal & charitable organizations seen on antique tombstones AF&AM Ancient Free and Accepted Masons AOF Ancient Order Of Foresters AOH Ancient Order Of Hibernians AOKMC Ancient Order Of Knights of Mystic Chain AOUW Ancient Order Of United Workmen ALOH American Legion of Honor AUM Ancient Order of Mysteries- Masonic Order BPOE Benevolent and Protective Order of Elks BPOEW Benevolent and Protective Order of Elks of theWorld CK of A Catholic Knights of America COOF Catholic Order of Foresters CTAS Catholic Total Abstinence Society CBKA Commander Benevolent Knights Association CCTAS Crusaders-Catholic Total Abstinence Society CSA Confederate States Army DAR Daughters of American Revolution EBA Emerald Beneficial Association FAA Free and Accepted Americans F&AM - Free and Accepted Masons. FOE Fraternal Order of Eagles GALSTPTR German American Legion of St. Peter GAR Grand Army of the Republic GLAUM Grand Lodge Ancient Order of Mysteries-Masonic Order GUOOF Grand United Order of Odd Fellows IHSV Red Cross of Constantine IOI Independent Order of Immaculates IOKP Independent Order of Knights of Pythias IOOF Independent Order of Odd Fellows ISH Independent Sons of Honor IORM Improved Order of Redmen IWW Industrial Workers of the World JAOUW Junior Order-Ancient Order of United Workmen JOUAM Junior Order-Order of United American Mechanics KGL Knight Grand Legion KM Knights Militant KC Knights of Columbus K of C Knights of Columbus K of FM Knights of Father Matthew KFM Knights of Father Matthew K of H Knights of Honor K of L Knights of Loyola K M Knights of Malta (Masonic) KMC Knights of the Mystic Chain KPC Knights of Peter Claver KP Knights of Pythias K of P Knights of Pythias KSC Knights of St. Columbkille KG Knights of St. George KSTG Knights of St. George KSTI Knights of St. Ignatius K of SJ Knights of St. John KSTJ Knights of St. Joseph KSL Knights of St. Lawrence KSTM Knights of St. Martin K of STP Knights of St. Patrick KSTP Knights of St. Paul KSTP Knights of St. Peter KSTT Knights of St. Thomas K of STW Knights of St. Wenceslas KT Knights of Tabor K of T Knights of Tabor KWM Knights of Wise Men KGE Knights of Golden Eagle KHC Knights of Holy Cross KKK Knights of Klu-Klux Klan KOTM Knights of Macabees KSF Knights of Sherwood Forest KT Knights Templars (Masonic) LAOH Ladies Ancient Order of Hibernians LK of A Loyal Knights of America LOM Loyal Order of the M.O.O.S.E. MOLLUS Military Order of the Loyal Legion of the UnitedStates MRA Royal Arcanum MWA Modern Woodsmen of America NOK New Order Knights (see KKK) OES Order of the Eastern Star OUAM Order of United American Mechanics PM Patriarchs Militant (Independent Order of Odd Fellows) POSA Patriotic Order of the Sons of America RMOKHSJ The Religious and Military Order of Knights of the Holy Sepulchre of Jerusalem RSTV Rite of St. Vaclara RSTV Rite of ST. Vita RK Roman Knights SR Scottish Rite (Masonic Order) RAM Royal Arch Masons RO-AUM Rosicrucian Order (Masonic) SBCL Saint Bonifazius Catholic Union SBL Society B. Lafayette SCV Sons of the Confederate Veterans SAR Sons of the American Revolution SNA-AUM Shrine of North America (Masonic) SV Sons of Veterans TH Temple of Honor-Independent Order of Odd Fellows UCV United Confederate Veterans UDC United Daughters of the Confederacy VFW Veterans of Foreign Wars WOW Woodsmen of the World ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com

That's an interesting possibility, Susan. Don't know how well they are organized for such questions, but we'll give it a go. Anne C. -----Original Message----- From: susan wilson <[email protected]> To: [email protected] <[email protected]> Date: Thursday, August 24, 2000 8:32 PM Subject: [GEIGER] Questions for Ebenezer >Hi, > For those going to Ebenezer....would you be kind enough to inquire about the following for me from the Salzburger group: > >1. On the fifth transport of Salzburgers in 1849 on the ship Charles Town Folley, Cpt. Peter Bogg...there was an Andreas Seckinger listed with his wife Catharina (Mohr) Seckinger. Listed as arriving with them were 5 small children, whose individual names were not listed. Andreas was listed as born in 1722. Could someone identify what the names of those children were? (might on have been Ulrich's wife?) > >2. A Jacob Hinely married both a Dorothy and a Hannah Geiger. One in 1841 and the other in 1845. There names could be Guyer and I have seen it listed that way also. The Hinely's (Heinle) were Saltzburgers also...maybe they could clarify it for me. > >Anyone one else have more questions? That all for me.... Thanks a bunch, as usual Susan > > >==== GEIGER Mailing List ==== >To subscribe or unsubscribe from this list send an e-mail to: [email protected] (mail mode) or [email protected] (digest mode) and put only one word--either SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE in the subject and the body of the message. > >============================== >Join the RootsWeb WorldConnect Project: >Linking the world, one GEDCOM at a time. >http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/ >

Hi, For those going to Ebenezer....would you be kind enough to inquire about the following for me from the Salzburger group: 1. On the fifth transport of Salzburgers in 1849 on the ship Charles Town Folley, Cpt. Peter Bogg...there was an Andreas Seckinger listed with his wife Catharina (Mohr) Seckinger. Listed as arriving with them were 5 small children, whose individual names were not listed. Andreas was listed as born in 1722. Could someone identify what the names of those children were? (might on have been Ulrich's wife?) 2. A Jacob Hinely married both a Dorothy and a Hannah Geiger. One in 1841 and the other in 1845. There names could be Guyer and I have seen it listed that way also. The Hinely's (Heinle) were Saltzburgers also...maybe they could clarify it for me. Anyone one else have more questions? That all for me.... Thanks a bunch, as usual Susan

Looking for Dorcas Geiger b 9 Sep 1840 (probably in Somerset Co., PA) the daughter of John (Johannes) Geiger and Margaret A. McAdams Geiger. She is thought to have married a Rausch and a Snyder. Do not know which she married first. Know she lived at sometime in the Jenners, PA area. Known to have had a son, Curtis Snyder who lived in the Lorraine, Ohio area in the early 1900s. Would like to know more about Dorcas and the first names of her husbands.

Amy, This is one we can put into the database and be sure of his parents! And he was born on my birthday! We are all happy to hear you and the baby are doing well. Faye

Amy, I'm sure we all feel like brand-new aunts and uncles ,,, or grandparents perhaps! We're so happy for you and your husband. That young man sounds like a Geiger ... with those broad shoulders and hearty lungs! Being Swiss, he was probably trying to yodel! Anne C.

That would make three, hopefully with birthdates sufficiently apart... >From: "Jim & Nancy Ford" <[email protected]> >Reply-To: [email protected] >To: [email protected] >Subject: Re: [GEIGER] Ga. Research >Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2000 16:36:21 -0400 > >I'm going to chime in here. I believe that David Geiger, son of Abraham >and Mercy(?) had a son named Cornelius. I can't get to my records right >now, but I may be able to give dates later. >Nancy Geiger Ford > > >==== GEIGER Mailing List ==== >Check out our GEIGER homepage at: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~geiger/ > >============================== >Join the RootsWeb WorldConnect Project: >Linking the world, one GEDCOM at a time. >http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/ > ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com

David Geiger, son of Abraham and Mercy, did have a son names Cornelius. He moved to Tattnall County from Bryan and did in the Civil War. This is my line, Faye

Congratulations Amy and family!! So glad to learn that your baby is now doing well after a very scary beginning. Take care and God bless! Nancy Geiger Ford

I'm going to chime in here. I believe that David Geiger, son of Abraham and Mercy(?) had a son named Cornelius. I can't get to my records right now, but I may be able to give dates later. Nancy Geiger Ford

For those GEIGER researchers attending the Labor Day Salzburger Society meeting, Mr. Wyman May, author of book on Fr. Stewart, GA cemeteries will answer questions on Sat., Sept. 2 at 4 pm in his Hinesville, GA home. If you will attend or have questions regarding your GA GEIGER/Martin ancestor, let me know privately. (No charge for meeting.) Information gained will be made available to GEIGER List. -- Margie Barden