Unfortunately there isn't a lot of information on the WFT Vol 1, for #1299, Reinhart Geiger, It has as follows: b. 1808-1837 Germany, d. 1849-1881, m. unknown, children: Joseph, b. 19 Feb 1859, New Orleans, LA, d. abt 1918, m. Margaret Reuth on 26 Dec 1882. She was b. 7 Aug 1863, Milwaukee, WI, d. abt 1928. Ten children are listed for them (Frank J., Joseph Frank, Emma, Elizabeth, Della, Albert, Minnie, Walter, Lillian, Margaret). Other Reinhart children; Sophie, August, Unknown Male, John, and Frank. No information on any of the children except for Joseph. No information as to parents of Reinhart. There was a second Reinhard listed at #3998 on same CD volume. He appeared to be younger than your Reinhart. No children listed for him. His wife was named Andrea LNU. Parents were Werner and Isolde Heunisch, their parents were Phillip and Margarethe Wizenholder. Phillip was b. 2 Nov 1895, d. 1979. Margarethe was b. 20 Nov 1897 in Remlingen, Germany, d. Mar 1989, Uettingen, Germany. More listed before them. Hopes this helps. If you need further info, contact me personally. Warren

Anne, Thanks for this information on the children of Hans Jacob Geiger. The information kept by the churchs and government in Switzerland was so great! It's too bad our ancestors didn't keep it up after coming to America, we would know where they all were. Wybehrt is really different -- I can't think of an American equivalent as with some of the other names. Would you give me the story on Abraham Geiger and his family? Did they come with Hans Jacob Geiger and his family, by chance? Was a William Geiger one of Abraham's children? Thanks so much, Jan Melton In a message dated 2/14/01 5:01:07 AM Central Standard Time, [email protected] writes: << Former Gov. Hs. Jacob GEIGER and Margaret FEHR had 10 ch. in SWT. In order of birth, they were: Herman (1707), Elsbetha (1709), Anna Cathrina (1711), Hs. Heinrich (1713), Maria Barbara (1715), Esther (b/d 1717 SWT), WYBEHRT (female-b. 1718), Hs. Jacob (1720), Johannes (b.1722-d.1725 SWT), and Margretha (1724). This is from the church records in SWT (which DO call him former Cantonal Governor, by the way). Esther and Johannes died young, but it is assumed all the rest came to America with their parents, as no further records exist in SWT. I have only seen Wybehrt GEIGER mentioned once in SC records and there she was called a son and her name was misspelled!! If she didn't just quietly die, I suspect she married young and disappeared into some other family. I've also wondered if she went by a pet name we haven't noticed. Wish we could find her - and her four sisters!! I believe Hs. Heinrich might be the Henry or Harry GEIGER we see in the SC records. Hs. Jacob had a cousin of the same name, two years older and son of Abraham GEIGER. The South Carolina records could apply to either of them. The other Hs. Jacob GEIGER (1718) was a much older brother of my Hs. Ulrich GEIGER (1730). Ulrich removed to GA in 1766, but records don't show if his brother did. Anne C. in FL __________ >>

Posted on: Geiger/Kiger/Kyger Query Forum Reply Here: http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/FamilyAssoc/Geiger/296 Surname: ------------------------- Does anyone have Family Tree Maker, WFT Vol.1, Tree 1299. I'd greatly appreciate help in finding this elusive guy, born July 1825, Wuerttemberg.

Did you see this in the February 5, 2001, Orlando Sentinel? BETTY J. KINCAID, 69, Cheyenne Trail, Winter Springs, died Friday, Feb. 2. Mrs. Kincaid was a homemaker. She was born in Geneva. Survivors: sister, Harriet Fore, Osteen; brothers, Bill Geiger, Harold Geiger, both of Geneva, John C. Geiger, Oviedo. Baldwin-Fairchild Funeral Home-Oviedo Chapel, Oviedo. This must be a descendant of Jacob S. Geiger. Mary

Jan, you wrote: ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> Subject: [GEIGER] Geigers & Murffs Has anything every been found out about the descendants of the other sons of Hans Jacob Geiger Sr.--- Hans Heinrich, Wyhert and Hans Jacob Jr.? I do see where Hans Jacob Jr. built a house in the general vicinity of Saxe Gotha. Any word on the others? The Murffs had no Randolphs that I've ever seen listed before my ancestor Randolph Murff, yet I do see a Randolph in the Geiger clan. I'm sure you see the direction of my thoughts here. ==================================== Former Gov. Hs. Jacob GEIGER and Margaret FEHR had 10 ch. in SWT. In order of birth, they were: Herman (1707), Elsbetha (1709), Anna Cathrina (1711), Hs. Heinrich (1713), Maria Barbara (1715), Esther (b/d 1717 SWT), WYBEHRT (female-b. 1718), Hs. Jacob (1720), Johannes (b.1722-d.1725 SWT), and Margretha (1724). This is from the church records in SWT (which DO call him former Cantonal Governor, by the way). Esther and Johannes died young, but it is assumed all the rest came to America with their parents, as no further records exist in SWT. I have only seen Wybehrt GEIGER mentioned once in SC records and there she was called a son and her name was misspelled!! If she didn't just quietly die, I suspect she married young and disappeared into some other family. I've also wondered if she went by a pet name we haven't noticed. Wish we could find her - and her four sisters!! I believe Hs. Heinrich might be the Henry or Harry GEIGER we see in the SC records. Hs. Jacob had a cousin of the same name, two years older and son of Abraham GEIGER. The South Carolina records could apply to either of them. The other Hs. Jacob GEIGER (1718) was a much older brother of my Hs. Ulrich GEIGER (1730). Ulrich removed to GA in 1766, but records don't show if his brother did. Anne C. in FL

Hi, Warren, I have two lines of Smiths out of South Carolina. One starts with Moses Smith of Abbeville, b. 1756, md. Ann Cullom. Children: Phoebe (1785), Jane (1787), William (1790), Joseph (1792), George (1794), Robert (1796), Benjamin (1799), Samuel (1802), Ebenezer (1804), Nancy (1806). My line goes through William for whom I have only one son so far, Andrew Alfred Monroe Smith, b. 1821. Four of William's siblings moved to Indiana. The rest stayed in SC as far as I know now. Alfred married Helena Murff where they were both living in Laurens County, SC. I do know that the Murffs were originally in the upper Orangeburg/Lexington area before moving northerly to Newberry Co. then to Laurens Co. Alfred and Helena moved their family to Monroe Co., MS with a couple of Helena's brothers (don't know about Alfred's) and their families around 1857. One of Alfred & Helena's daughters married the son of one of Helena's brothers, Waldemar in MS. So I'm connected twice to the Murffs and these Smiths. The other Smith line has been very difficult. Benjamin Franklin Smith was born in SC about 1832. I found him next door to Monroe County, MS in Lamar County, AL. His daughter Rebecca married the above Waldemar's grandson, Henry Clay Murff. I don't believe Ben's line is connected to the above Smiths at this point. Ben married Ann Cribbs, who was born in MS, and so far I haven't been able to trace these folks back any further??.Yet! Has anything every been found out about the descendants of the other sons of Hans Jacob Geiger Sr.--- Hans Heinrich, Wyhert and Hans Jacob Jr.? I do see where Hans Jacob Jr. built a house in the general vicinity of Saxe Gotha. Any word on the others? The Murffs had no Randolphs that I've ever seen listed before my ancestor Randolph Murff, yet I do see a Randolph in the Geiger clan. I'm sure you see the direction of my thoughts here. Just a hunch, but I may as well check it out. The Swiss were really big on naming the kids after the elders, as I'm sure you know. But then I've never seen a Waldemar before mine either, come to think of it. I have names of some of the children of William Smith's siblings above if you'd like to have them, or if you give me a name I'll be glad to look for it. Thanks for your help on the Geigers, Warren. Jan Murff Melton <[email protected] wrote: > > GEIGER-D Digest Volume 01 : Issue 17 > > Today's Topics: >   #1 Re: [GEIGER] Geigers & Murffs        [Warren Smith <[email protected]] > > Administrivia: > To unsubscribe from GEIGER-D, send a message to > >         [email protected] > > that contains in the body of the message the command > >         unsubscribe > > and no other text.  No subject line is necessary, but if your software requires one, just use unsubscribe in the subject, too. > > For further information about our mail list and other resources available for GEIGER researchers please visit our Website at: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~geiger/ > ______________________________

Jan: Yes, I show a Catherine, b. abt 1734, as Henrman, Sr's. eldest child. She was b. in Switzerland. I'm sorry though, because I don't have any husband or death info on her. Tell me about your Smith connection. Mine are from SC as well, and I'm having a devil of a time getting anywhere with them. They were from the Richland/Orangeburg section of the state. Warren

Jan, I have Lavinia Kaigler as wife of Herman Geiger, Jr. and also have Margaret Theiler as wife of Herman, Jr. I have not located any children from the Margaret and Herman Jr. marriage. I believe that Lavinia Kaigler's parents were Andrew Kaigler and Katy Coppelpower. Andrew was born about 1730 in Germany and died about 1809 in Tennessee. Lavinia and Herman Geiger, Jr. were married about 1769. I do not know when Margaret Theiler and Herman Jr. were married. There is a second Lavinia Kaigler who married Harmon Horlbeck Geiger, grandson of Herman Jr., about 1819. According to some papers my grandmother left me, this Lavinia's full name was Rube Lavinia Kaigler Geiger, and she was born Feb. 15, 1800 and died November 11, 1852. This Lavinia is buried near Shadydale, Georgia. I do not know how, or if, the two Lavinia Kaiglers were related, but the age difference leads me to believe there were two of them. Skip Kitchens

Posted on: Geiger/Kiger/Kyger Query Forum Reply Here: http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/FamilyAssoc/Geiger/294 Surname: Geiger, Franzman ------------------------- I am searching information on Anne Elizabeth Gieger, my Great-Great-Grand Mother. She was born in 1823 in St. Gallen, Switzerland and died in London in 1902. Her husband was Johan Caspar Franzman married in London 29 March 1853. During her life she made her way singing opera in Basel then emigrating to London at some later date. My first cousin once removed, Herb, and I don't know the names of her parents. However, we do know that she married Johan Caspar Franzmann in London in March,1853. Johan Casper Franzmann was born in 1825 in Evangelisch Sobernheim, Rheinland Preussen. Would you be good enough to search your records and let me know if have any information on our Anne Elizabeth Gieger or if could you provide any leads. Whatever assistance you are able to provide will be appreciated. Thank you, Johnny Poulin

I am interested in any information there may be out there for the Geigers of Licking and Franklin County, Ohio. Information I have indicates Anthony and Mary (Kirk) Geiger settled at Hogs Run about 1805, along with children Joseph (my line), Sarah, Elizabeth, John and Jacob. Six children were born at Hogs Run, including Ann, Margaret, Mary Ann, Anthony, Thomas and Daniel. There seems to have been one other child, Julia, birthplace unknown. Joseph was married twice, his second marriage to Mary Albery. They had 12 children, including Joseph Jr. (my line). Joseph Jr. b. 30 Sep 1831, m. (1) Mary Jane Sisco 2 Aug 1857, m. (2) Lydia Margaret Housersheldt 10 Dec 1874, d. 6 Mar 1890 Blacklick, Ohio. Joseph Jr. and Mary Jane were the parents of Richard Martin b. 1868 (my gr-grandfather, m. Maude Virginia VanGundy) and Mary Catherine b. 1858 (m. August Luellen Blauvelt). Believe there was at least one other child, a son Frank. I am especially interested in the family of Joseph Jr. and Mary Jane. Any additional information or leads you may have would be of interest to me and much appreciated. THANK YOU. Marcia (Geiger) Boggs * * * * * * Original Message: Subj: RE: [GEIGER] Jacob Geiger Date: 02/08/2001 5:13:57 AM Eastern Standard Time From:    [email protected] (Paul C. Johnson) Reply-to:    [email protected] To:    [email protected] Do you have more info on James Geiger brothers, sisters & parents? I have a John Bee Geiger b.11-17-1837 in. Licking County, Ohio Paul [email protected]

Warren, yes, I do agree that the other land deeds must be a brother and/or father. There's a possibility that there are more deeds for Herman as well somewhere if he bought other land. I have quite a few for John and Jacob Murff, but there were at least three Johns back then, so I don't know which belong to which one! I'd like to find some deeds for John Randolph. I would also like to know who the Benjamin Smith mentioned in the will was also. I've got Smiths in my family tree also from SC. Is it also agreed that Herman Sr. had a daughter named Catherine? Does anyone know what happened to her - whom she married?? Thanks for the help! Jan In a message dated 2/9/01 4:08:37 PM Central Standard Time, [email protected] writes: << The first of these lands is probably Herman, Sr.; however, the others are too early to have been Herman's children, so they are likely Herman's brother, Hans Jacob, Jr., or his father, Hans, Sr. Do you agree? < Jan: Thanks for posting the will of Herman Geiger. Yes, you are correct that at least when he died it appears that he was married to an Elizabeth. Something I find interesting however, is the mention in the will of his brother-in-law, John Gollman. In the notes that I have regarding his [possible] marriage to a Margaretha Gartman, is the statement that after Herman's death, Margaretha married a man named Hans [John] Gallman! I do show in my database that Herman, Sr. was the son of Hans Jacob Gyger, Sr. and wife, Margareta Feerin (maybe just Feer, with the Germanic -in- added to the end?). I show this Hans b. 1679 in Wydnau, Diepoldsau, Canton St. Gallen, Switz. I also have Hans' parents as Hans Gyger, b. abt 1650, d. abt 1667/1687 and wife, Anna Fehr, b. abt 1647/1666. These names seem way to similar to me, so I suspect that this information is not valid. Herman, Jr. is also a mystery with wives either Lavinia Kaigler, or Margaret Theiler. I had the latter; however, it's good to get the line emanating from Lavinia as well. Hopefully we can find that Margaret was perhaps an earlier wife. I show no children for that union, but that's not real meaningful, maybe I just hadn't found any yet. Warren >>

Posted on: Geiger/Kiger/Kyger Query Forum Reply Here: http://genconnect.rootsweb.com/gc/FamilyAssoc/Geiger/292 Surname: Geiger, Kaigler, Hardy ------------------------- My last post contained an error. Dr.W. W. Geiger was Washington Whitfield Geiger. Sorry

Posted on: Geiger/Kiger/Kyger Query Forum Reply Here: http://genconnect.rootsweb.com/gc/FamilyAssoc/Geiger/291 Surname: Hardy, Kaigler, Geiger ------------------------- Edgefield County, SC Deed Book # 40, page 391 James KAIGLER to William HARDY and Randolph GEIGER, mortgage 29 Jun 1824. James Kaigler, as Administrator of estate of JOSEPH KAIGLER deceased - mortgaged unto William Hardy and Randolph Geiger the following property, viz, one Negro woman Sin and three children: tom, Abraham and Martha. Terms were that if James Kaigler paid unto the respective legatees of the above named administration their full shares of said estate, then the above mortgage to be of non effect, but if not paid when demanded, the above named William Hardy and Randolph Geiger is at liberty to take above named property and sell the same or as much as will satisfy the above named legatees. Signed 19 Jun 1824 in the presence of Benjamin Clark. Sworn to 5 Jun 1824 by Benjamin Clark before Nathaniel Corley, J. P and recorded 7 Jun 1824. What were the relationships of the legatees and James Kaigler? Can anyone please, please help me? E-mail me at [email protected]

Posted on: Geiger/Kiger/Kyger Query Forum Reply Here: http://genconnect.rootsweb.com/genbbs.cgi/FamilyAssoc/Geiger/290 Surname: Geiger, Sisco, VanGundy, Blauvelt ------------------------- I am interested in any information there may be out there for the Geigers of Licking and Franklin County, Ohio. Information I have indicates Anthony and Mary (Kirk) Geiger settled at Hogs Run about 1805, along with children Joseph (my line), Sarah, Elizabeth, John and Jacob. Six children were born at Hogs Run, including Ann, Margaret, Mary Ann, Anthony, Thomas and Daniel. There seems to have been one other child, Julia, birthplace unknown. Joseph was married twice, his second marriage to Mary Albery. They had 12 children, including Joseph Jr. (my line). Joseph Jr. b. 30 Sep 1831, m. (1) Mary Jane Sisco 2 Aug 1857, m. (2) Lydia Margaret Housersheldt 10 Dec 1874, d. 6 Mar 1890 Blacklick, Ohio. Have not yet documented, but believe Joseph Jr. and Mary Jane were the parents of Richard Martin b. 1868 (my gr-grandfather, m. Maude Virginia VanGundy) and Mary Catherine b. 1858 (m. August Luellen Blauvelt). Believe there was at least one other child, a son Frank. I am especially interested in the family of Joseph Jr. and Mary Jane. Any additional information or leads you may have would be of interest to me and much appreciated. THANK YOU. Marcia (Geiger) Boggs

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Jan, Yes, Herman is the son of former Gov. Hans Jacob GYGER (later GEIGER) and Margaret FEHR (FEHRIN was old-style for feminine). And he was married in SWT to Elizabeth HABLÜZEL. if you will go to the GEIGER List Archives and do a search on these names, you'll find we talked about them quite a lot. That's http://archiver.rootsweb.com/GEIGER-L/ Please be cautious with Leonardo Andrea. Percy GEIGER is a lot safer. The following is from my files: ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- FIRST GENERATION 1. HANS JACOB GEIGER (Gov.; Imm.) was born in 1679 in Haslach, St. Gallen, Switzerland. He was christened on 6 Jul 1679 in Berneck, SG, Switzerland. He immigrated on 1 Feb 1737 to Charleston, South Carolina. He died in Saxe Gotha Twp, Orangeburg Dist., South Carolina. He was married to MARGRIT FEHR (daughter of HERMANN FEHR and ELSBETH HENSEL) on 8 Mar 1707. MARGRIT FEHR was born in 1684 in Widnau, St. Gallen, Switzerland. She immigrated on 1 Feb 1737 to Charleston, South Carolina. She died in prob. Saxe Gotha Twp, Orangeburg Dist., South Carolina. HANS JACOB GEIGER (Gov.; Imm.) and MARGRIT FEHR had the following children: +2 i. HERMAN [1] GEIGER (Imm., Indian Agent). +3 ii. ELSBETHA GYGER. 4 iii. ANNA CATHRINA GYGER was born in Nov 1711 in Widnau, SG, Switzerland. She was christened on 17 Nov 1711 in Diepoldsau, SG, Switzerland. She immigrated on 1 Feb 1737 to Charleston, South Carolina. She died in South Carolina. 5 iv. HANS HEINRICH GYGER was born in Aug 1713 in Widnau, SG, Switzerland. He was christened on 12 Aug 1713 in Diepoldsau, SG, Switzerland. He immigrated on 1 Feb 1737 to Charleston, South Carolina. He died in South Carolina. 6 v. MARIA BARBARA GYGER was born in Feb 1715 in Widnau, SG, Switzerland. She was christened on 25 Feb 1715 in Diepoldsau, SG, Switzerland. She immigrated on 1 Feb 1737 to Charleston, South Carolina. She died in South Carolina. 7 vi. ESTHER GYGER (d.y.) was born in Apr 1717 in Widnau, SG, Switzerland. She was christened on 19 Apr 1717 in Diepoldsau, SG, Switzerland. She died on 27 Apr 1717 in Widnau, SG, Switzerland. 8 vii. WYBEHRT GYGER was born in Sep 1718 in Widnau, SG, Switzerland. She was christened on 25 Sep 1718 in Diepoldsau, SG, Switzerland. She immigrated on 1 Feb 1737 to Charleston, South Carolina. She died in South Carolina. 9 viii. HANS JACOB GYGER was born in Feb 1720 in Widnau, SG, Switzerland. He was christened on 10 Feb 1720 in Diepoldsau, SG, Switzerland. He immigrated on 1 Feb 1737 to Charleston, South Carolina. He died in South Carolina. 10 ix. JOHANNES GYGER (d.y.) was born in Nov 1722 in Widnau, SG, Switzerland. He was christened on 19 Nov 1722 in Diepoldsau, SG, Switzerland. He died on 18 Feb 1725 in Widnau, SG, Switzerland. 11 x. MARGRETHA GYGER was born in Apr 1724 in Widnau, SG, Switzerland. She was christened on 26 Apr 1724 in Diepoldsau, SG, Switzerland. She immigrated on 1 Feb 1737 to Charleston, South Carolina. She died in South Carolina. SECOND GENERATION 2. HERMAN [1] GEIGER (Imm., Indian Agent) was born in Dec 1707 in Widnau, SG, Switzerland. He was christened on 9 Dec 1707 in Diepoldsau, SG, Switzerland. He immigrated on 1 Feb 1737 to Charleston, South Carolina. He died in 1751 in South Carolina. He was married to ELIZABETH (LISABET) HABLÜZEL of Trüllikon, KZ, SWT on 26 Feb 1734 in St. Gallen, Switzerland. ELIZABETH (LISABET) HABLÜZEL of Trüllikon, KZ, SWT immigrated on 1 Feb 1737 to Charleston, South Carolina. She was born in Switzerland. She died in South Carolina. HERMAN [1] GEIGER (Imm., Indian Agent) and ELIZABETH (LISABET) HABLÜZEL of Trüllikon, KZ, SWT had the following children: +12 i. JOHN CONRAD GEIGER. +13 ii. JACOB GEIGER. +14 iii. HERMAN [2] GEIGER. +15 iv. ELIZABETH GEIGER. +16 v. MARGARET GEIGER. +17 vi. JOHN GEIGER. 3. ELSBETHA GYGER was born on 20 Oct 1709 in Widnau, SG, Switzerland. She died probably in South Carolina. She was married to HANS ULRICH SCHELLIG of Langmoos on 17 Jun 1732. ELSBETHA GYGER and HANS ULRICH SCHELLIG of Langmoos had the following children: 18 i. ANNA BARBARA SCHELLIG was born in Apr 1733. She was christened on 15 Apr 1733 in Berneck, SG, Switzerland. 19 ii. JOHANNES SCHELLIG was born in Jul 1734. He was christened on 29 Jul 1734 in Berneck, SG, Switzerland. Anne Hammond Connell Winter Park, FL

Jan: Thanks for posting the will of Herman Geiger. Yes, you are correct that at least when he died it appears that he was married to an Elizabeth. Something I find interesting however, is the mention in the will of his brother-in-law, John Gollman. In the notes that I have regarding his [possible] marriage to a Margaretha Gartman, is the statement that after Herman's death, Margaretha married a man named Hans [John] Gallman! I do show in my database that Herman, Sr. was the son of Hans Jacob Gyger, Sr. and wife, Margareta Feerin (maybe just Feer, with the Germanic -in- added to the end?). I show this Hans b. 1679 in Wydnau, Diepoldsau, Canton St. Gallen, Switz. I also have Hans' parents as Hans Gyger, b. abt 1650, d. abt 1667/1687 and wife, Anna Fehr, b. abt 1647/1666. These names seem way to similar to me, so I suspect that this information is not valid. Herman, Jr. is also a mystery with wives either Lavinia Kaigler, or Margaret Theiler. I had the latter; however, it's good to get the line emanating from Lavinia as well. Hopefully we can find that Margaret was perhaps an earlier wife. I show no children for that union, but that's not real meaningful, maybe I just hadn't found any yet. Warren