I think I'd better do what I said I was going to ... and stay out of this problem. Looks like I'm just making it worse! By the way, how about Catherina (b. 1834 SWT), Herman's first child (according to a news item)? She's not listed on his Memorial stone, but could she be the other sister, married to Heiri GALLMAN? The third sister Margaret was married to ___ Baughman, according to the Memorial stone. And yes, I noticed Herman's will said wife Elizabeth. Interesting theory about old Herman. Were they SURE it was those Canadian Indians that did him in? O.K., I'm going! Anne C. ----- Original Message ----- From: Warren Smith <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2001 12:45 PM Subject: Re: [GEIGER] followup: GALLMAN web site > Anne: > > No, according to the rest of his genealogy at this site, Hans Jacob > Gallman had sons, named Hans Heinrich (Heini), AND the one referred to > as Capt. (and later on, Major) Henry. It was this latter one who married > Elizabeth Geiger, Herman's daughter. I also believe, by the way, that > this same one may have first been married to Herman's sister, Margaret ( > a long story in itself, but one way that his son, Henry, Jr. could state > in his will that his mother was Margaret Geiger Gallman, now the wife of > Jacob Faust). Anyway, Heini was supposedly married to the sister of > Heiri's wife from the Rheinthal, whose names we don't know. > > Did you also notice, at the beginning of the letter that Hans Jacob sent > back, he mentions his brother..."my beloved brother Hans Jacob > Galmann..."? He has a brother with the same name as his own? He gives > two sons the same name? Has two daughters named Anna, and Anneli? What > kind of crazy man/family was this? > > The letter was pretty neat though, especially the spelling of some of > the city/town names. I especially liked Braffeidenz, for Providence; and > all the different spellings he had for Saxe Gotha. > > They (those who own that website) are of the school who thinks that > Herman was married to both Elizabeth Habluezel AND Margaret Gartmann. I > don't think I support that position, but we have seen it several times > before, so maybe we are the ones in error. Bob Gartman, a Gartman > descendant, thinks that Herman probably took Margaret and her brothers > in to raise after their parents died, and then perhaps had an > "irregular" relationship with Margaret (as Bob so eloquently put it), > which may have resulted in children WHILE he was still married to > Elizabeth! Margaret was only 21 when Herman died, so she wasn't around > him that long. Herm's will also calls his wife Elizabeth, so I'm betting > something like this may have happened. Since Hans Conrad was supposedly > born in 1736 though, we can never make the case that Margaret begat him > out of wedlock, so there goes a means by which Hans Gallman could later > call Hans Conrad his step-son! > > It's all loads of fun, isn't it? > > Warren > > > ==== GEIGER Mailing List ==== > To subscribe or unsubscribe from this list send an e-mail to: [email protected] (mail mode) or [email protected] (digest mode) and put only one word--either SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE in the subject and the body of the message. > > ============================== > Search over 900 million names at Ancestry.com! > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/rwlist1.asp >

Marty: I only know a little German, but with the aid of my trusty German Dictionary, here's what I think you have : +++++++++++++++++++ A Certified Copy of the Birth and Christening Certificate for VITUS [maybe] GEIGER. It is dated 23 November 1841. His parents are JOHANNES GEIGER, a Söldner or mercenary [couldn't get the rest] and AGATHA, formerly VESERRMAIER? [or something close to that]... [and couldn't get the rest of this, either]. He was born in Treffelhausen and on ____ day was christened according to Catholic rite (singular). The Christening witnesses are: VITUS GEIGER and MARIA VESENMAIER? ... or try VESERNMAIER [too many loops there!]. Certified Copy. Signed at Treffelhausen on 15 June 1915 by WEIGER of Catholic Parish Office. +++++++++++++++++++ Geburts und Tauf Zeugnis [Birth and Christening Certifcate]; Im Jahre Ein Tausend [In Year One Thousand] next word should be Acht [Eight] but doesn't look right .... Hundert [Hundred] Ein Und Viersig [One and Forty - 1841] am Drei Und Zwanzig November [on Three and Twenty November]; ist [is]; in [in]; Geboren [born]; und [and]; am Selben Tage Nach Katholischem Ritus [on same day according to Catholic Rite (singular)]; Getauft [christened]; Eltern [parents]; Taufzeugen [christening witnesses]. The geb. after Agatha means Geburts or Geboren [born]; die Richtigkeit Dieses Auszugs ____ [the correctness of this extract ____]; Kath. ___ Pfarramt [Cath. ___ Parish Office]. Boy, that wore me out - I hope I came close! Anne C. of the FL GEIGERS ----- Original Message ----- From: Marty Lee <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2001 7:19 AM Subject: [GEIGER] Geigers in Iowa - O'brien, Cherokee & Ida Counties > Posted on: Geiger/Kiger/Kyger Query Forum > Reply Here: http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/FamilyAssoc/Geiger/10283 > > Surname: Geiger, Lee > ------------------------- > > It was related to me that there were Giegers in O'brien County who were > bankers and may have had relatives in Cherokee, IA. I am reposting this > request with a link @ the bottom the the referenced document and picture. > Any assistance would be greatly appreciated! > > ******** > > My Great uncle, Edward J. Lee, b: March 28, 1818 married Josie Marie Geiger, > b: March 19, 1880. They were married Jan 1, 1903 and lived in Cherokee > & Ida Counties, Iowa. Ed & Josie never had children. Josie's parents according > to my family bible were **tues and Barbara Gieger. The first one or two > letters of the father's name are unreadable; it could be 'vi' or 'A?'. > I have always believed it to be VITUES. However, being unfamiliar with > German names, I am unsure if this is/could be a name. > > In addition, I have a wonderful german? document that I would love to get > translated, that has Vitues's name on it. I would be forever greatful to > anyone who could tell me what it says. > > I also have a family picture of who I believe is Vitues & Barbara and their > daughters? with my Great uncle Ed. This picture was taken by F.E. Bennett > of Cherokee, IA. My GUncle & Aunt are in the back row, middle and middleright. > > I know nothing of josie's sisters or family. My G-Uncle and the father, > Vitues, and another man, possibly a brother based on the resemblance are > the only men in this picture, so I assume they are sisters). > > I would be very willing and eternally greatful to anyone who was willing > to translate the document for me. In addition, I am willing to share the > photo with anyone interested. > > The document (purposefully scanned @ high resolution) and picture can be > seen @: > > http://24.4.109.66/gene/gene.htm > > Thanks for your help! > Marty Lee > [email protected] > > Link: Gieger photo & document > URL: <http://24.4.109.66/gene/gene.htm> > >

Anne: No, according to the rest of his genealogy at this site, Hans Jacob Gallman had sons, named Hans Heinrich (Heini), AND the one referred to as Capt. (and later on, Major) Henry. It was this latter one who married Elizabeth Geiger, Herman's daughter. I also believe, by the way, that this same one may have first been married to Herman's sister, Margaret ( a long story in itself, but one way that his son, Henry, Jr. could state in his will that his mother was Margaret Geiger Gallman, now the wife of Jacob Faust). Anyway, Heini was supposedly married to the sister of Heiri's wife from the Rheinthal, whose names we don't know. Did you also notice, at the beginning of the letter that Hans Jacob sent back, he mentions his brother..."my beloved brother Hans Jacob Galmann..."? He has a brother with the same name as his own? He gives two sons the same name? Has two daughters named Anna, and Anneli? What kind of crazy man/family was this? The letter was pretty neat though, especially the spelling of some of the city/town names. I especially liked Braffeidenz, for Providence; and all the different spellings he had for Saxe Gotha. They (those who own that website) are of the school who thinks that Herman was married to both Elizabeth Habluezel AND Margaret Gartmann. I don't think I support that position, but we have seen it several times before, so maybe we are the ones in error. Bob Gartman, a Gartman descendant, thinks that Herman probably took Margaret and her brothers in to raise after their parents died, and then perhaps had an "irregular" relationship with Margaret (as Bob so eloquently put it), which may have resulted in children WHILE he was still married to Elizabeth! Margaret was only 21 when Herman died, so she wasn't around him that long. Herm's will also calls his wife Elizabeth, so I'm betting something like this may have happened. Since Hans Conrad was supposedly born in 1736 though, we can never make the case that Margaret begat him out of wedlock, so there goes a means by which Hans Gallman could later call Hans Conrad his step-son! It's all loads of fun, isn't it? Warren

Posted on: Geiger/Kiger/Kyger Query Forum Reply Here: http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/FamilyAssoc/Geiger/10285 Surname: GEIGER, VESENMAIER, VESERNMAIER, VESERRMAIER, WEIGER ------------------------- Marty: I only know a little German, but with the aid of my trusty German Dictionary, here's what I think you have : +++++++++++++++++++ A Certified Copy of the Birth and Christening Certificate for VITUS [maybe] GEIGER. It is dated 23 November 1841. His parents are JOHANNES GEIGER, a Söldner or mercenary [couldn't get the rest] and AGATHA, formerly VESERRMAIER? [or something close to that]... [and couldn't get the rest of this, either]. He was born in Treffelhausen and on ____ day was christened according to Catholic rite (singular). The Christening Witnesses are: VITUS GEIGER and MARIA VESENMAIER? ... or try VESERNMAIER [too many loops there!]. Certified Copy. Signed at Treffelhausen on 15 June 1915 by WEIGER of Catholic Parish Office. +++++++++++++++++++ Geburts und Tauf Zeugnis [Birth and Christening Certifcate]; Im Jahre Ein Tausend [In Year One Thousand] next word should be Acht [Eight] but doesn't look right .... Hundert [Hundred] Ein Und Viersig [One and Forty - 1841] am Drei Und Zwanzig November [on Three and Twenty November]; ist [is]; in [in]; Geboren [born]; und [and]; am Selben Tage Nach Katholischem Ritus [on same day according to Catholic Rite (singular)]; Getauft [christened]; Eltern [parents]; Taufzeugen [christening witnesses]. The geb. after Agatha means Geburts or Geboren [born]; die Richtigkeit Dieses Auszugs ____ [the correctness of this extract ____]; Kath. ___ Pfarramt [Cath. ___ Parish Office]. Boy, that wore me out - I hope I came close! Anne C. of the FL GEIGERS

Ginny This is in response to your Geiger posting. In Dummy Lines through the Longleaf , Gilbert H. Hoffman, I came across the following: "....on September 26, 1910, for $486,000 paid at public auction, the Great Southern Lumber Company bought back all of its lands and logging equipment previously sold to Andrews. But the Great Southern had no intention of reopening the Pearlhaven mill. On December 26, 1910, the mill and all remaining equipment, plus the town of Pearlhaven, were sold to John M. Geiger of Buffalo, New York, for $110,000". This book deals the history of the lumber industry in southwest Mississippi. Steve Melançon Brookhaven, Mississippi Steve Melançon, à Lona Cooley à Earl Geiger Cooley à Theodocia Geiger à Lewis U. Geiger Ginny Perciante wrote: > > Posted on: Geiger/Kiger/Kyger Query Forum > Reply Here: http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/FamilyAssoc/Geiger/10278 > > Surname: Geiger, Heinzel, Trost, Hartmann > ------------------------- > > I am also looking for Geigers in NYC. My ggreat grandfather was either > John or Martin Geiger who married Caroline Heinzel or Trost. Their daughter, > Elisabeth, was born May 1, 1859 in NYC; married Robert Hartmann 1878. Any > information, suggestions, etc. would be appreciated. > > ==== GEIGER Mailing List ==== > To subscribe or unsubscribe from this list send an e-mail to: [email protected] (mail mode) or [email protected] (digest mode) and put only one word--either SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE in the subject and the body of the message. > > ============================== > Search over 900 million names at Ancestry.com! > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/rwlist1.asp

Go to http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com You may already know about the information contained on this website, but if not it will help you fill in the blanks on your Christian Geiger--the document is entitled "Christian Geiger, the Immigrant." Good luck ----- Original Message ----- From: "Irja Ruffner Coles" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, March 16, 2001 9:07 PM Subject: [GEIGER] looking for more info > Posted on: Geiger/Kiger/Kyger Query Forum > Reply Here: http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/FamilyAssoc/Geiger/10282 > > Surname: Geiger, Stober, Kyger, Harshman, Pence, Carickhoff, Haney > ------------------------- > > Christian Geiger m. Barbara ?? > Son Wilhelm Geiger m.Eva Barbara Stober > son Christian Kyger m.Margaret??? > son Johannes Kyger m. Elizabeth Harshman > son Christian Kyger m. Elizabeth Pence > dau. Virginia Rebecca m. James Henry Carickhoff > dau. Viola Virginia m. William Thomas Haney > Does anyone have info on these families? > Germany to Virginia > Thank you > > > > ==== GEIGER Mailing List ==== > To subscribe or unsubscribe from this list send an e-mail to: [email protected] (mail mode) or [email protected] (digest mode) and put only one word--either SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE in the subject and the body of the message. > > ============================== > Join the RootsWeb WorldConnect Project: > Linking the world, one GEDCOM at a time. > http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com > >

I would think Heini would be the pet name for Heinrich (Henry). Did you note that he says Heini married Heiri's wife's sister? Actually, it said Heini had Heiri's wife's sister which I assume meant he was married to her. If so, who would this be? Faye

Posted on: Geiger/Kiger/Kyger Query Forum Reply Here: http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/FamilyAssoc/Geiger/10283 Surname: Geiger, Lee ------------------------- It was related to me that there were Giegers in O'brien County who were bankers and may have had relatives in Cherokee, IA. I am reposting this request with a link @ the bottom the the referenced document and picture. Any assistance would be greatly appreciated! ******** My Great uncle, Edward J. Lee, b: March 28, 1818 married Josie Marie Geiger, b: March 19, 1880. They were married Jan 1, 1903 and lived in Cherokee & Ida Counties, Iowa. Ed & Josie never had children. Josie's parents according to my family bible were **tues and Barbara Gieger. The first one or two letters of the father's name are unreadable; it could be 'vi' or 'A?'. I have always believed it to be VITUES. However, being unfamiliar with German names, I am unsure if this is/could be a name. In addition, I have a wonderful german? document that I would love to get translated, that has Vitues's name on it. I would be forever greatful to anyone who could tell me what it says. I also have a family picture of who I believe is Vitues & Barbara and their daughters? with my Great uncle Ed. This picture was taken by F.E. Bennett of Cherokee, IA. My GUncle & Aunt are in the back row, middle and middleright. I know nothing of josie's sisters or family. My G-Uncle and the father, Vitues, and another man, possibly a brother based on the resemblance are the only men in this picture, so I assume they are sisters). I would be very willing and eternally greatful to anyone who was willing to translate the document for me. In addition, I am willing to share the photo with anyone interested. The document (purposefully scanned @ high resolution) and picture can be seen @: http://24.4.109.66/gene/gene.htm Thanks for your help! Marty Lee [email protected] Link: Gieger photo & document URL: <http://24.4.109.66/gene/gene.htm>

http://users.ev1.net/~jgallman/genealogy/frames1.htm To Warren and all on List, including our PA cousins: I just did a search on Findia and came up with this GALLMAN web site. He doesn't guarantee its accuracy, but you should look at it. It has a wonderful and quite long letter written in 1737 by Jacob GALLMAN of Saxe Gotha, SC, to someone in his home town of Mettmenstetten, SWT. He mentions several other families and drops a lot of names. Notes that "Pensillfanen" [PA] is 200 hours [north] by water and by land. The letter goes into great detail about their trip over and about their wonderful life in SC - he even comments that "wheels need no brakes." I couldn't find that village, but he says his son Heiri has "a wife from the Rheinthal" - which means the Rhein (Rhine) Valley. This might mean his village is elsewhere, maybe up in the mts. His spelling of well-known places like Saxe Gotha and Charleston is so wild that I really wonder if the translator was having trouble with that early script - plus, there are some typos. The letter was sent with a cover letter from his son telling the recipient that his father had died very suddenly, but he was sending the letter on. It's terribly poignant. There is a GEIGER line that starts with Hans GEIGER and Anna ZÛST and comes down to Herman. He gives Herman two wives. Says he and first wife, Elizabeth HABLÜZEL had Elizabeth GEIGER who married Capt. Henry GALLMAN (b. 1709, Mettmenstetten, SWT). He says she was also born there, but I would strongly question that if it isn't close to Diepoldsau! Interestingly, he says she is buried in Charleston, in the German Lutheran Church Cemetery. I won't go into the rest of it - best you read it yourselves. Anne C.

About that letter from Jacob GALLMAN where he says his son Heiri has a wife from the Rhein valley: Could Heiri be a pet name (maybe even misspelled) for Heinrich - or Henry - and could he be the Capt. Henry GALLMAN (b. 1709) that Elizabeth GEIGER, daughter of Herman, married? Diepoldsau was in a loop of the Rhein (Rhine) River which has been cut across (I think in the late 1800's), leaving D'sau on the other side of a very handsome bridge. I'm beginning to think Herman's descendants didn't know an awful lot about each other when they put up that monument. Anne C.

Posted on: Geiger/Kiger/Kyger Wills Reply Here: http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/FamilyAssoc/GeigerWill/10054 Surname: Geiger, Kyger, Carickhoff, Haney ------------------------- Viola Virginia Carickhoff is the great grandmother to my husband, Frank James Coles. She married William Thomas Haney in 1888. Do you have further info on her? Thank you Irja

Posted on: Geiger/Kiger/Kyger Query Forum Reply Here: http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/FamilyAssoc/Geiger/10282 Surname: Geiger, Stober, Kyger, Harshman, Pence, Carickhoff, Haney ------------------------- Christian Geiger m. Barbara ?? Son Wilhelm Geiger m.Eva Barbara Stober son Christian Kyger m.Margaret??? son Johannes Kyger m. Elizabeth Harshman son Christian Kyger m. Elizabeth Pence dau. Virginia Rebecca m. James Henry Carickhoff dau. Viola Virginia m. William Thomas Haney Does anyone have info on these families? Germany to Virginia Thank you

Posted on: Geiger/Kiger/Kyger Query Forum Reply Here: http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/FamilyAssoc/Geiger/10280 Surname: GEIGER, Schramm, Schmitz ------------------------- Contact me if you have a HERMANN Geiger [email protected]

Posted on: Geiger/Kiger/Kyger Query Forum Reply Here: http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/FamilyAssoc/Geiger/10279 Surname: ------------------------- I sent this to my self

Posted on: Geiger/Kiger/Kyger Query Forum Reply Here: http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/FamilyAssoc/Geiger/10278 Surname: Geiger, Heinzel, Trost, Hartmann ------------------------- I am also looking for Geigers in NYC. My ggreat grandfather was either John or Martin Geiger who married Caroline Heinzel or Trost. Their daughter, Elisabeth, was born May 1, 1859 in NYC; married Robert Hartmann 1878. Any information, suggestions, etc. would be appreciated.

Never let people do you that way, Anne, because after the meeting breaks up, all that those bystanders will remember is what he said, correct or erroneous...however if you challenge him, they will recall that, too. Going to the speaker privately does no good...the damage was already done in the meeting, in front of everyone...but a private apology only falls on your ears alone. Remember, Silence is perceived as agreement or concession... >From: "rconnell" <[email protected]> >Reply-To: [email protected] >To: [email protected] >Subject: Re: [GEIGER] GEIGERS and WEBER Heresy >Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 11:34:30 -0500 > >Warren, I don't think anyone meant to call it a witch-hunt. I guess some >just aren't as interested as others in solving mysteries. My interest >comes, in part, from being royally insulted before a roomful of people by a >prominent author and publisher of SC records. I've mentioned this before >.... in cautioning about surnames with varied spellings, he had mentioned >GEIGER/GIGGER/etc. When he called for questions - I prefaced my question >by >saying GEIGER was one of my lines. He reared back and said something like, >"Ah, the infamous GEIGERS! Well, I guess there might be one or two good >ones among them!" Everyone in the room was in shock at his rudeness! I >should have challenged him then and there! > >Anne C. > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Warren Smith <[email protected]> > > > > I think the rationale in trying to sort out who history was/is really > > talking about is precisely for that reason--trying to avoid pinning the > > "conviction" on every person in the family named John (or > > Johannes/Hans/Johanes). You make it sound like those interested in it > > are on a "witch hunt" and that's just not the case. Only one of the many > > similarly named persons was the one involved. And although he was > > convicted, he was later "reprieved". Once identified, we move on to > > another unknown, that's what genealogy is all about. > > > > > >==== GEIGER Mailing List ==== >Check out our GEIGER homepage at: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~geiger/ > >============================== >Shop Ancestry - Everything you need to Discover, Preserve & Celebrate >your heritage! >http://shop.myfamily.com/ancestrycatalog > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com

You're right, Gerry. I wish I had. ----- Original Message ----- From: Gerald Gieger <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2001 5:48 PM Subject: Re: [GEIGER] GEIGERS and WEBER Heresy > Never let people do you that way, Anne, because after the meeting breaks up, > all that those bystanders will remember is what he said, correct or > erroneous...however if you challenge him, they will recall that, too. Going > to the speaker privately does no good...the damage was already done in the > meeting, in front of everyone...but a private apology only falls on your > ears alone. > > Remember, Silence is perceived as agreement or concession... > > > > >From: "rconnell" <[email protected]> > >Reply-To: [email protected] > >To: [email protected] > >Subject: Re: [GEIGER] GEIGERS and WEBER Heresy > >Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 11:34:30 -0500 > > > >Warren, I don't think anyone meant to call it a witch-hunt. I guess some > >just aren't as interested as others in solving mysteries. My interest > >comes, in part, from being royally insulted before a roomful of people by a > >prominent author and publisher of SC records. I've mentioned this before > >.... in cautioning about surnames with varied spellings, he had mentioned > >GEIGER/GIGGER/etc. When he called for questions - I prefaced my question > >by > >saying GEIGER was one of my lines. He reared back and said something like, > >"Ah, the infamous GEIGERS! Well, I guess there might be one or two good > >ones among them!" Everyone in the room was in shock at his rudeness! I > >should have challenged him then and there! > > > >Anne C. > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: Warren Smith <[email protected]> > > > > > > > I think the rationale in trying to sort out who history was/is really > > > talking about is precisely for that reason--trying to avoid pinning the > > > "conviction" on every person in the family named John (or > > > Johannes/Hans/Johanes). You make it sound like those interested in it > > > are on a "witch hunt" and that's just not the case. Only one of the many > > > similarly named persons was the one involved. And although he was > > > convicted, he was later "reprieved". Once identified, we move on to > > > another unknown, that's what genealogy is all about. > > > > > > > > > > >==== GEIGER Mailing List ==== > >Check out our GEIGER homepage at: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~geiger/ > > > >============================== > >Shop Ancestry - Everything you need to Discover, Preserve & Celebrate > >your heritage! > >http://shop.myfamily.com/ancestrycatalog > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > > ==== GEIGER Mailing List ==== > Check out our GEIGER homepage at: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~geiger/ > > ============================== > Join the RootsWeb WorldConnect Project: > Linking the world, one GEDCOM at a time. > http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com > >

Warren, I don't think anyone meant to call it a witch-hunt. I guess some just aren't as interested as others in solving mysteries. My interest comes, in part, from being royally insulted before a roomful of people by a prominent author and publisher of SC records. I've mentioned this before .... in cautioning about surnames with varied spellings, he had mentioned GEIGER/GIGGER/etc. When he called for questions - I prefaced my question by saying GEIGER was one of my lines. He reared back and said something like, "Ah, the infamous GEIGERS! Well, I guess there might be one or two good ones among them!" Everyone in the room was in shock at his rudeness! I should have challenged him then and there! Anne C. ----- Original Message ----- From: Warren Smith <[email protected]> > I think the rationale in trying to sort out who history was/is really > talking about is precisely for that reason--trying to avoid pinning the > "conviction" on every person in the family named John (or > Johannes/Hans/Johanes). You make it sound like those interested in it > are on a "witch hunt" and that's just not the case. Only one of the many > similarly named persons was the one involved. And although he was > convicted, he was later "reprieved". Once identified, we move on to > another unknown, that's what genealogy is all about. >

Sorry, no, I didn't ask the inital question because I am on a witch hunt. Since I am not in a position to research this occurance myself, I knew if I posted my question to this list that I would get better information than any other source. This is a fantastic list where everyone is more than willing to offer whatever information and/or opinions they have. I appreciate all of it. Mary

I never meant to imply that Hans was a nickname for Johannes...but rather like Phil vs. Philip, or Sam vs. Samuel, Rich vs. Richard, etc. And I believe that Hans Ulrich and Apollonia raised upstanding and moral children...Records of Abraham, Felix, Mary, Cornelius, and John bear that out...And there can always be one renegade in every family, but to pin that "conviction" on every person named John (or Johannes/Hans/Johanes) is not to my liking... According to the translation of the Lutheran Pastor's journal, John Wesley preached at Ebenezer(he had a dispute with the Lutheran Pastor over Baptism - Wesley insisted on full immersion), and I don't know if anyone has looked there or not...Of course, we know that our Rev. John Martin was a German Baptist Brethren(Dunker). The Primitive Baptist and Missionary Baptist both sprung up about that time...and the Ulster Scots(nee, Scots-Irish in America) were John Knox Presbyterians... >From: "rconnell" <[email protected]> >Reply-To: [email protected] >To: [email protected] >Subject: Re: [GEIGER] GEIGERS and WEBER Heresy >Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 23:47:46 -0500 > >Gerry and all, I wouldn't want to imply that the GEIGER name was >anathematized in SC ..... too many of them had positions of great >importance >and trust and married into families of similar ilk. In GA, Hans Ulrich (as >name was recorded in church book) and Apollonia raised good, industrious, >church-going children. And I can't say enough about their descendants - >especially the ones who took on the wilds of Florida! <G> > >My position is that IF a GEIGER really was involved in the Heresy (at least >one account omits that name), he could as easily have been a Hans Jacob as >a >John. And I'm afraid I just don't see Hans as only a nickname for >Johannes. >I studied my own GYGER/GEIGER data base, imperfect as it may be, and here's >what I found: > >GYGER (SWT): 6 christened Hans; 21 christened Hans ___; 7 christened >Johannes. GEIGER (Amer.): 0 named Hans; 6 named Hans ___ (all b. SWT); 1 >named Johannes (b. SWT); 6 named John; 20 named John ___. The GYGER >records >at Berneck church went back to the 1500s at least, without a break (except >for Gov. Hs. Jacob whose family records were at nearby Diepoldsau). The >GEIGER names in America came mostly from other records as they had to make >do with whatever preacher came along, much of the time, and when they left, >their records usually went with them. I wonder if any of those would be >with some denomination we haven't thought about? > >One last bit of trivia: Abraham and Cathrina's 1st child was Hans Jacob, >who died young. 2nd child was Hans Jacob. 3rd was Johannes. 4th was Hans >Georg, who died young. 5th was Elsbetha, who died young. 6th was >Elsbetha. >7th was Hans Ulrich. Although Berneck church apparently didn't mention >their leaving SWT, as did D'sau church, it is assumed that all the >surviving >children left with them. The boys likely were called - familiarly - Jacob, >John and Ulrich as they grew up in SC. > >Anne C. > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Gerald Gieger <[email protected]> > > > > I had seen references to that info too, but the problem I have is, that >no > > one knows which "John" did it...and therefore bringing it up casts >shadows > > on all those named Johannes, Johann, Hans, or John. I agree with Anne >that > > Ulric (Johannes shortened to Hans) may have moved to GA to escape the >stigma > > attached to his Surname... > > > > Germans(incl. Austrians, Hapsburgs, etc) and Swiss-Germanic peoples >followed > > the same naming conventions...It wasn't confusing to them!!! > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com