Ancestry is a business. Merging and linking the data they have is a smart business move. Many unsuspecting individuals will fork over their credit card number to get the garbage that has been 'donated.' When they decide not to renew they will spend months trying to stop their subscriptions and credit card charges. Many of the trees submitted to Ancestry have glaring errors and no documentation noted, merged families, and children that do not exist. The same is true of the Morman Church records (IGI, and Ancestral files). This new subscription service will make it harder than ever to educate people to CHECK SOURCES. The really scary part is--some individuals will find a tree that shows that their great-grand someone is a descendant of a President, King, famous or infamous individual and take it as "Gospel." MyFamily.Com (parent of Ancestry) also owns FamilyTreeMaker and Rootsweb. How long will it be before the mailing list becomes a paid subscription? Rootsweb also provides "FREE" space for the, volunteer-not for profit, USGENWEB project. MyFamily.Com has some really smart marketing managers - they got suckers like you and I to do the research, transcribe records, and now they can legally steal it and resell it. Janice Pate PS: Include the word "GENEALOGY" in the subject line or the e-mail goes in the trash. _________________________________________________________________ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar – get it now! http://toolbar.msn.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/

In a message dated 5/5/2004 6:34:40 AM EST, grand_ma@hotmail.com writes: << MyFamily.Com has some really smart marketing managers - they got suckers like you and I to do the research, transcribe records, and now they can legally steal it and resell it. Janice Pate Now this is telling it like it is.....

This is what is going on with Ancestry according to Marsha Bryant my genweb coordinator on another newsletter I belong to: What is being SOLD is a subscription to an advanced search feature that will match data from the free (still free) family trees and that found in other pay databases and census records at Ancestry and present it to the subscriber in a neatly stitched together package -- taking the work out of the searching and matching. What is being SOLD is CONVENIENCE and not the trees. The trees are still free to submit and free to search and match using the same tools that have always been part of the program. Nothing has changed in that regard. Diane M. Smith Researching Paris/Parris, Shaw, Cline, Newton, Goodwin, kite/Kight im-horse-crazy@excite.com _______________________________________________ Join Excite! - http://www.excite.com The most personalized portal on the Web!

This assessment of the Ancestry.Com rip off is about as accurate as it gets......and i salute you for attempting to point this out to the "suckers" as u so aptly described some of us....... And they've made millions off the scam idea that was coneived by the people who put this whole idea in motion........again for what its worth......Thanks!!!!!!!!!!

Too bad many more people dont speak out as grand_ma has done....we should all cancel our subscriptions to Ancestry.com, urge those who are thinking of subscribing to FORGET it, and hope that they get the message that not everyone is out just for the "$'s" If no one subscribes, or renews, who can they charge....they can just sit and read the "free" work they have been given Nvsf29@aol.com wrote:In a message dated 5/5/2004 6:34:40 AM EST, grand_ma@hotmail.com writes: << MyFamily.Com has some really smart marketing managers - they got suckers like you and I to do the research, transcribe records, and now they can legally steal it and resell it. Janice Pate Now this is telling it like it is..... ==== GAUNION Mailing List ==== If anyone has a non-genealogy problem, please contact me at WyleneL@aol.com ============================== Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Win a $20,000 Career Makeover at Yahoo! HotJobs

Way back somewhere in the late 1800's one of my McDonald family ancestors married a Dill. Just wondered if this could be the line. Karen McDonald Morris -- bigsky@bellsouth.net > > From: "Estelle Gilstrap" <Egilstrap@ngcsu.edu> > Date: 2004/05/04 Tue AM 11:20:36 EDT > To: GAUNION-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [GAUNION] Dills/Brown Reunion > > WHAT: Dills Reunion > WHEN: Sunday, May 16, 2004 > RAIN DATE: Sunday, June 6, 2004 > TIME: 1:00 - 5:00 PM > WHERE: Home of Jimmy & Judy Dills > 5338 Lawson Road > Gainesville, GA > > DIRECTIONS: HWY 60 into Murrayville, Georgia. At Parks' > Pharmacy, turn onto Hubert Stephens Road. Go through TWO 4-way stops. > Continue for approximately 1 mile or less, turn right onto Lawson Road. > Go approximately 1/2 mile. Jimmy & Judy Dills' house is on right * 5338 > is on mailbox. For More Info, please call Estelle Dills Gilstrap > (706) 867-7118 or e-mail at estelle@ngcsu.edu > > > > ==== GAUNION Mailing List ==== > NOTICE: Posting of virus warnings, test messages, chain letters, political/religious statements, current events, items for sale, personal messages, flames, etc. (in other words - spam) is NOT ALLOWED and will be grounds for removal. Consideration for exceptions, contact > WyleneL@aol.com > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > >

Amen! ----- Original Message ----- From: <solrich@juno.com> To: <GAUNION-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2004 2:08 PM Subject: Fw: Re: [GAUNION] Ancestry World Tree Project > DEAR FRIENDS: > I agree with the guy whose address is < Nvsf29@aol.com >. It is > underhanded and should be illegal, but with the present day greedy > cheaters in the corporate world, what can you expect!! > Thank goodness, I have not yet sent my Family Tree to > "Ancestry.Com." If anyone wants mine, all they have to do is ask for it > and I will gladly give it to them--not sell it ! I would expect them to > do the same for me. > SOLOMON HOWARD RICH > ============================================= > From: Nvsf29@aol.com > To: GAUNION-L@rootsweb.com > Date: Tue, 4 May 2004 14:33:29 EDT > Subject: Re: [GAUNION] Ancestry World Tree Project > > In a message dated 5/4/2004 11:40:41 AM EST, WyleneL@aol.com writes: > > "The Family Trees that have been donated to Ancestry for free > distribution > to other researchers are about to be sold by subscription: the > OneWorldTree > Preview cost will be $49.95 for 14 months. If you'd prefer that your > information not be sold there is a link below which will take you a set > of > instructions on opting out by deleting your tree." > > I think this sucks. If the person wanted to sell their family history > they > could do it themselves, instead of sharing it freely only to be sold > later. This > isn't right and I hope everyone grabs their info and runs with it. > > > ==== GAUNION Mailing List ==== > If anyone has a non-genealogy problem, please contact me at > WyleneL@aol.com > > > ==== GAUNION Mailing List ==== > NOTICE: Posting of virus warnings, test messages, chain letters, political/religious statements, current events, items for sale, personal messages, flames, etc. (in other words - spam) is NOT ALLOWED and will be gr ounds for removal. Consideration for exceptions, contact > WyleneL@aol.com > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 >

try http://www.gencircles.com they are the one's who sold (I think Ancestry), in other words the original developers, they made a bundle, could not come back for 2 years and came back with even a better product. They are 'promising' to keep it free forever, stating they do not need to sell it this time. They way they make their money is with a genealogy program designed to go hand in hand with the site, however, you do not need the program to view the site and get information...so in other words, it's optional to buy it if you want it. ----- Original Message ----- From: <Nvsf29@aol.com> To: <GAUNION-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2004 11:33 AM Subject: Re: [GAUNION] Ancestry World Tree Project In a message dated 5/4/2004 11:40:41 AM EST, WyleneL@aol.com writes: << The Family Trees that have been donated to Ancestry for free distribution to other researchers are about to be sold by subscription: the OneWorldTree Preview cost will be $49.95 for 14 months. If you'd prefer that your information not be sold there is a link below which will take you a set of instructions on opting out by deleting your tree. >> I think this sucks. If the person wanted to sell their family history they could do it themselves, instead of sharing it freely only to be sold later. This isn't right and I hope everyone grabs their info and runs with it. ==== GAUNION Mailing List ==== If anyone has a non-genealogy problem, please contact me at WyleneL@aol.com ============================== Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237

In a message dated 5/4/2004 2:35:45 PM EST, mljones@mac.com writes: << Isn't linking our trees one of the things genealogy is about and that all of us do all the time? This simply multiplies the possibilities because of a giant database and huge computer support resources. >> Yes ..but all the links were free to the site. Now the ones that gave their histories freely will have to pay to see the stitched versions. Something is wrong with this picture...If you ask me...

How about everyone uniting in a class action suit rather than complaining about it. They should make enough money from people visiting their webb site and other commerical activities to pay everyone, who contributed their family tree information, a royality each time someone wanted to view the data they submitted. That would make it equitable for everyone. Or we could sue to keep the data free as that was the pretense it was collected under.

DEAR FRIENDS: I agree with the guy whose address is < Nvsf29@aol.com >. It is underhanded and should be illegal, but with the present day greedy cheaters in the corporate world, what can you expect!! Thank goodness, I have not yet sent my Family Tree to "Ancestry.Com." If anyone wants mine, all they have to do is ask for it and I will gladly give it to them--not sell it ! I would expect them to do the same for me. SOLOMON HOWARD RICH ============================================= From: Nvsf29@aol.com To: GAUNION-L@rootsweb.com Date: Tue, 4 May 2004 14:33:29 EDT Subject: Re: [GAUNION] Ancestry World Tree Project In a message dated 5/4/2004 11:40:41 AM EST, WyleneL@aol.com writes: "The Family Trees that have been donated to Ancestry for free distribution to other researchers are about to be sold by subscription: the OneWorldTree Preview cost will be $49.95 for 14 months. If you'd prefer that your information not be sold there is a link below which will take you a set of instructions on opting out by deleting your tree." I think this sucks. If the person wanted to sell their family history they could do it themselves, instead of sharing it freely only to be sold later. This isn't right and I hope everyone grabs their info and runs with it. ==== GAUNION Mailing List ==== If anyone has a non-genealogy problem, please contact me at WyleneL@aol.com

Wylene, People should be aware of the risk of submitting information without reservation of rights, UCC 1-207, Without Prejudice. This provision is in accordance to the United States Code and the United States Constitution. This organization appears to be for profit. Therefore, it falls under the provisions of Commercial Law. I am not a Lawyer and this is intended to be information not practicing Law. Anyone reading this is advised to seek legal council for his or her legal needs. It is not illegal to give information. I recommend that if a person is able to read, they read this provision of the United States Code. Title 1, Section 207, in its entirety. I have submitted a notice to Ancestory.com notifying them of my reservations. I once wrote this on my forms when applying for a bank account about 3 days later, they returned my deposit with notice of cancellation of my account and declined to do business with me.... Interesting, huh...Everyone should be aware of the laws of the land and how the can be used for you and against you.. Joel C Ledford Joel C. Ledford -----Original Message----- From: WyleneL@aol.com [mailto:WyleneL@aol.com] Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2004 10:39 AM To: GAUNION-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [Norton AntiSpam] [GAUNION] Ancestry World Tree Project You all should read the following, while you still have time to op-out! Wylene If you have submitted a family tree to Ancestery.com you should know of the change about to be implemented by them. The Family Trees that have been donated to Ancestry for free distribution to other researchers are about to be sold by subscription: the OneWorldTree Preview cost will be $49.95 for 14 months. If you'd prefer that your information not be sold there is a link below which will take you a set of instructions on opting out by deleting your tree. After clicking on the link and arriving at the page, click on "Whats a preview?" near the top of the page. Read thoroughly and then click on "View our checklist" (which appears on #3). Among other things you will see the following sentence: "If for any reason you do not want your tree to be part of the new OneWorldTree service, you must delete it from the Ancestry World Tree database by tentatively May 12, 2004."scary! This is the link: http://www.ancestry.com/search/rectype/trees/owt/ ==== GAUNION Mailing List ==== If anyone has a non-genealogy problem, please contact me at WyleneL@aol.com ============================== Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237

Hi, I would encourage everyone to look at the Ancestry.com preview of OneWorldTree. From their published preview, Ancestry is NOT taking family trees and simply re-selling them. I'm sure we'd all have a problem with that. What Ancestry is doing is taking submitted, published family trees and "stitching" them together, along with primary sources, to create a "webbed," extended family tree; that is, one made by COMBINING multiple trees. That is not the same thing as merely repackaging and then selling a GEDCOM, say, that one of us has submitted. Speaking only for myself, this seems to be exactly what all of us would like to have happen, similar in nature -- if not as scientific -- as the DNA studies many of our families and family associations currently are employing to "stitch" together extended family histories. None of us as individuals has the resources to do this for ourselves and, since there is creative work involved on Ancestry's part in creating this new format of information, I don't see a problem with them charging for it. Again, it's not a simple transfer of "free" information, merely bundling it and reselling it, as I read their information. As noted by WyleneL@aol.com, people can opt out but I'm not sure why one would want to. Isn't linking our trees one of the things genealogy is about and that all of us do all the time? This simply multiplies the possibilities because of a giant database and huge computer support resources. Now, we can argue about the price Ancestry's charging -- too steep for me -- but that's a different issue. And, of course, people opt in for that. Thank you. Michael Jones

In a message dated 5/4/2004 11:40:41 AM EST, WyleneL@aol.com writes: << The Family Trees that have been donated to Ancestry  for free distribution to other researchers are about to be sold by subscription: the OneWorldTree Preview cost will be $49.95 for 14 months.  If you'd prefer that your information not be sold there is a link below which will take you a set of instructions on opting out by deleting your tree. >> I think this sucks. If the person wanted to sell their family history they could do it themselves, instead of sharing it freely only to be sold later. This isn't right and I hope everyone grabs their info and runs with it.

You all should read the following, while you still have time to op-out!  Wylene If you have submitted a family tree to Ancestery.com you should know of the change about to be implemented by them.  The Family Trees that have been donated to Ancestry  for free distribution to other researchers are about to be sold by subscription: the OneWorldTree Preview cost will be $49.95 for 14 months.  If you'd prefer that your information not be sold there is a link below which will take you a set of instructions on opting out by deleting your tree. After clicking on the link and arriving at the page, click on "Whats a preview?" near the top of the page. Read thoroughly and then click on "View our checklist" (which appears on #3). Among other things you will see the following sentence: "If for any reason you do not want your tree to be part of the new OneWorldTree service, you must delete it from the Ancestry World Tree database by tentatively May 12, 2004."scary! This is the link:  http://www.ancestry.com/search/rectype/trees/owt/     

WHAT: Dills Reunion WHEN: Sunday, May 16, 2004 RAIN DATE: Sunday, June 6, 2004 TIME: 1:00 - 5:00 PM WHERE: Home of Jimmy & Judy Dills 5338 Lawson Road Gainesville, GA DIRECTIONS: HWY 60 into Murrayville, Georgia. At Parks' Pharmacy, turn onto Hubert Stephens Road. Go through TWO 4-way stops. Continue for approximately 1 mile or less, turn right onto Lawson Road. Go approximately 1/2 mile. Jimmy & Judy Dills' house is on right * 5338 is on mailbox. For More Info, please call Estelle Dills Gilstrap (706) 867-7118 or e-mail at estelle@ngcsu.edu

PLEASE TAKE MY NAME OFF YOUR MAILING LIST ----- Original Message ----- From: <solrich@juno.com> To: <GAUNION-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2004 3:27 PM Subject: Fw: [GAUNION] Cemetery Surveys Inc. > Thanks for the information about the cemetery site. The only > trouble I have had with the site is that the CHOESTOE NEW CEMETERY survey > is missing several pages---only Page 1 shows up. > While I am on here I am asking if anyone has a picture of Andrew > Jackson "Jack" Rich. No one that I know has one of him. He is my Grand > Uncle, a brother to my grandfather Solomon Hill Rich, Jr. Andrew Jackson > "Jack" Rich was born Oct. 29, 1836 and he was in the Civil War, as well > as all of his brothers (except the youngest, who was Hiram Worth Rich). > He was the father of "Newt" Rich and Joe Rich and Martha Jane Rich (who > married John Corn). Maybe someone on this internet has his picture and I > surely would love to have a copy of it. All you good people out there, > let me know. Thanks. > SOLOMON HOWARD RICH > =============================================================== > From: "Janice Pate" <grand_ma@hotmail.com> > To: GAUNION-L@rootsweb.com > Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2004 09:06:53 +0000 > Subject: [GAUNION] Cemetery Surveys Inc. > > Thank you all - The site is back > Janice Pate > PS: Include the word "GENEALOGY" in the subject line or the e-mail goes > in > the trash. > _______________________________________________________________ > ==== GAUNION Mailing List ==== > If anyone has a non-genealogy problem, please contact me at > WyleneL@aol.com > > > ==== GAUNION Mailing List ==== > If anyone has a non-genealogy problem, please contact me at > WyleneL@aol.com > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 >

Thanks for the information about the cemetery site. The only trouble I have had with the site is that the CHOESTOE NEW CEMETERY survey is missing several pages---only Page 1 shows up. While I am on here I am asking if anyone has a picture of Andrew Jackson "Jack" Rich. No one that I know has one of him. He is my Grand Uncle, a brother to my grandfather Solomon Hill Rich, Jr. Andrew Jackson "Jack" Rich was born Oct. 29, 1836 and he was in the Civil War, as well as all of his brothers (except the youngest, who was Hiram Worth Rich). He was the father of "Newt" Rich and Joe Rich and Martha Jane Rich (who married John Corn). Maybe someone on this internet has his picture and I surely would love to have a copy of it. All you good people out there, let me know. Thanks. SOLOMON HOWARD RICH =============================================================== From: "Janice Pate" <grand_ma@hotmail.com> To: GAUNION-L@rootsweb.com Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2004 09:06:53 +0000 Subject: [GAUNION] Cemetery Surveys Inc. Thank you all - The site is back Janice Pate PS: Include the word "GENEALOGY" in the subject line or the e-mail goes in the trash. _______________________________________________________________ ==== GAUNION Mailing List ==== If anyone has a non-genealogy problem, please contact me at WyleneL@aol.com

Thank you all - The site is back Janice Pate PS: Include the word "GENEALOGY" in the subject line or the e-mail goes in the trash. _________________________________________________________________ Stop worrying about overloading your inbox - get MSN Hotmail Extra Storage! http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-us&page=hotmail/es2&ST=1/go/onm00200362ave/direct/01/

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