Gene, For info on known descendants of Allen Helms, plus an extra page of "unconnected" Helms from the West Central Ga. area (Talbot, Upson, Pike and Spalding, Charles might be on there), go to: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~ceru2/ and click on the Helms link. This is my page, so e-mail me with any questions. I think we may have corresponded before, at my old e-mail addy. Hope you enjoy! Sherri Ellington Helms descendant P.S., folks, the page also includes FORCE, FALLIN and SELF, with ELLINGTON info due to go up soon. Also, the old e-mail addy is on the page, so is a "broken" link.