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    1. [GASUMTER] new list home - GA-SUMTER
    2. Timothy Stowell
    3. A new home for the Sumter county mailing list has been set up. In a few minutes, I'll send out personal invitations to the subscribers of this list. It should be a link you can click that will let you 'accept' the invitation to join the new group. You may need to check your spam folder as I can't say when such will be delivered. Of course, folks may still post to this list through 3/1. Tim Stowell list admin

    01/27/2020 03:23:36
    1. [GASUMTER] Status of the Sumter county list - 2020
    2. Timothy Stowell
    3. Today the Sumter county list has 66 subscribers. With the ending of this list on 3/2, I am setting up a new list home. Later today or tomorrow, I'll send out instructions for joining said group. Of course, folks may still post to this list through 3/1. However, I want to pass along a little bit of who I am and why my interest in this list and others. I am a native of Coweta county, the third generation of my family there. Over the years I've lived in three other counties in the state - Morgan, Newton, Gwinnett but have traveled to or through most of our state's counties In 1996, I ran across a childhood playmate, who introduced me to USGenWeb, a project I've been with since. I've held many roles in that organization and currently host websites in Tennessee, New York, Minnesota, Louisiana, and Alaska for USGenWeb. I host sites in North Dakota, Wisconsin, Georgia for AHGP (American History and Genealogy Project) and/or ALHN (American Local History Network) approximately 50 websites. Seeing the continuing value of having mailing lists, I'm currently working with approximately 130 mailing lists based on either location or particular surnames - most of which are somewhere in my tree. Tim Stowell Chattanooga

    01/26/2020 09:40:48
    1. [GASUMTER] Adoption
    2. Susan Penn Groover
    3. Good news! Tim Stowell will be adopting this list and moving it to a new home. I am adding Tim as list admin and will remain in background. When list is setup, Tim will contact list with instructions on when, where, etc. Thanks, Tim. Susan

    01/16/2020 06:26:35
    1. [GASUMTER] Leave a Farewell Message
    2. Susan Penn Groover
    3. /_*Leave a Farewell Message*_/ This post was by Judith to MODAVIES: suggestion: People may want to post a "farewell" message on the mailing list before it goes to archive, and in this message include an email you plan to keep for the foreseeable future. A separate email could be set up expressly for this purpose if it is more convenient/secure. (You'll want web-based, not provider-based.) That way, if someone peruses the archive & finds a possible connection, they would have a way to get in touch with you privately. I have been on a couple of lists that went archival at some point, and I really wish I had done that, as our old email was provider-based and - once that provider went defunct, people looking through the defunct mailing list had no way to contact me (nor I them) It's easier to track people down these days, but I'd still suggest this. I think this to be an excellent idea, wish I thought it. I would like to expand to suggest that a post to include Your name, best address to reach you (one that might be dedicated to your genealogy research), a list surname(s) of interest, a list to places of interest (country, region, state, county), subject of interest, snail mail address (at your own risk), telephone number (again at your own risk), web address if you have a website, where you “moved.” Please keep in mind these to be suggestions and you should only provide what you would be comfortable for “ibots” to find. Might not want to wait to last minute. This would give system to process information and have it posted. With this in mind, please do not be concerned when you see my post to the nearly 300 (took inventory; final count was 298 – just sharing) mailing lists I admin. I will be leaving my time capsule to the list(s) in the coming days. But I will be here til Roots Web turn off the lights and lock the door. Let me take a few lines to acknowledge all the “thank-you” I have received. I started with a few surnames and expanded to counties more recently. But you are all “welcomed.” I try serve with the volunteer spirit and a happy heart. Please overlook my frustration that may boil to the top in the coming days. Susan

    01/13/2020 12:32:01
    1. [GASUMTER] Ramblings from the Backseat
    2. Susan Penn Groover
    3. /_*Ramblings from the Backseat*_/ Beginning March 2nd, 2020 the Mailing Lists functionality on RootsWeb will be discontinued. Users will no longer be able to send outgoing emails or accept incoming emails. I have already announced that as of March 2^nd , when Roots Web ceases to function as a mailing list that I will be hanging up my administrator's hat. These are my observations and suggestions going forward. First and foremost, someone needs to step-up to be new administrator, chairman, leader, whatever title you like. Next a decision should be made whether to remain a mailing list or a bulletin board. Of course, what is to say both could be established. I personally have not read, but Dick Eastman has endorsed Group.io as a venue for mailing list. From what little time I have had, I would lean toward Group.io to maintain mailing list format. I have no experience with bulletin boards therefore I have no input. I am hearing Facebook, but I have issues with privacy and whether someone would make the site secure enough. I am sure there are other venues for bulletin board format. Can not stop someone setting up FB account, just do not bother to invite me. Also, Ancestry has an established bulletin board area, it is functioning. Due to the activity on most state lists, my next suggestion would be that county mailing lists consolidate to form one state list. When activity is established divide into regions. Too much activity then establish a county list (start at the top and drill down). Under the blanket of a state list posting could use subject line to keep the identity of the county ie; SUBJECT: [AL-SUMTER] Looking for … Surname lists are a horse of a different color. Suggestion here would be to make use of subject line. Kinda like reading a newspaper, the subject line is like a headline of a newspaper. Personally I pay attention to an informative subject line. A worry in the back of my mind is with the “mass exodus” from Roots Web to other venue on whether that venue can handle the new activity or whether “we” will cause that venue to crash and burn. Here's hoping that is a needless concern. Once the list is established … there needs to be centralized place where a directory or a place of registration that searching community would go to find the list. Since I am US based, USGenWeb comes to mind. This maybe more difficult step. USGenWeb sites are individually maintained. Hearing rumblings that this may be solved in the near future. Last concern (for the moment) would be “being nice and playing well with others.” Personally, have not experienced this problem. Frustration, maybe. Especially when Roots Web fell apart and returned “fixed” with continuing problems. For example, I still have to push through a post from someone using AOL. AOL users … this is why your post takes a little longer to be seen. Sorry, I do my best with the tools I have to work with. Patience is probably going to be the keyword in days to come. Patience with the leaders that will step forward. They are going to be putting a lot on their plates and will need support in establishing a new venue and getting it working, establishing their rules, etc. Congratulation to those lists that have found a “new home.” From what I see you are in good hands! Will try to make this last posting to those newly adopted lists. (Posting to all lists today.) At this point in time, Family Trees, Message Boards, Web Sites, & Wiki at Roots Web are not effected to my knowledge. Of course, Message Boards are already part of Ancestry. So open conversation. Work on finding a volunteer to lead the list forward. I'm gonna stop rambling for the moment. I'm here till they turn off the lights and lock the door. Susan

    01/12/2020 01:17:04
    1. [GASUMTER] Unsubscribing from Mailing List(s)
    2. Susan Penn Groover
    3. /_*Unsubscribing from Mailing List(s)*_/ With the upcoming changes to Roots Web, some have decided to “leave early.” Which I personally understand. Since I am busy, I would like to ask for your help. Should you make the decision to close your membership to list please do the following: Insert or substitute listname before dash. To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to listname-request@rootsweb.com <mailto:wvlogan-request@rootsweb.com> with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the email with no additional text. OR A link is provided at the bottom of individual and digests. Help in this area will be completely appreciated and will be considered an act of kindness.

    01/11/2020 09:52:44
    1. [GASUMTER] Genealogy of Roots Web
    2. Susan Penn Groover
    3. /_*Genealogy of Roots Web*_/ Since most of us are genealogists or family historians, I write this to answer the primary questions I am receiving in “genealogy speak.” Mailing lists were scattered about the Internet prior to the conception of Roots Web (ie: AOL, Prodigy, Compuserve, and others) BIRTH: Sometime in 1996, Karen & Brian Leverich, conceived what it is now known as Roots Web. Roots Web grew to host uncountable mailing list of many subjects, surnames, places, etc. These mailing lists were free to its users/subscribers. MARRIAGE: June 2000. Roots Web was married (purchased by) Ancestry, Inc. with prenuptial agreement that mailing list services would remain free. I believe to be sometime in 2015, our beloved Roots Web began to suffer health issues. My speculation is outgrew its existence and its host was unable to keep up without a major and costly overhaul. After a year plus, Roots Web reopened its doors, but a lot of her faithful subscribers had lost interest or found other vehicles to convey their passages of information. During this time, other updates on the Internet have occurred. These changes have caused some subscribers unable to participate. Not qualified to expand on this other than to say that some folks have lost connection with Roots Web, DEATH: 2 March 2020. Beginning March 2nd, 2020 the Mailing Lists functionality on RootsWeb will be discontinued. Users will no longer be able to send outgoing emails or accept incoming emails. Additionally, administration tools will no longer be available to list administrators and mailing lists will be put into an archival state. BURIAL: Archives will be available to peruse. No further information as to where, how long, or whether a price tag will be added. Hope this helps. Susan Penn Groover

    01/10/2020 07:46:23
    1. [GASUMTER] Facebook----NO
    2. Margaret Bryan-Tinsley
    3. I do not think FB is to option to choose.  It is too hard on FB to find the answers to the questions you have asked.   Thanks, Betsy

    01/10/2020 06:59:25
    1. [GASUMTER] Update
    2. Susan Penn Groover
    3. Hi everyone! This has been heavy on my heart since Ancestry / Roots Web announcement. I have been admin / moderator for various mailing lists for 25+ years (some lists that predate Roots Web). The options for change do not fit my personal criteria. This is, also, not happening at a time I am able to give personal time for this change. Plus, I think Ancestry is not given an adequate “heads up” for this change. (I personally admin 200+ lists) So I have made the decision to become a subscriber as opposed to an administrator. I will remain admin to the mailing lists I currently admin till Roots Web makes the changes they propose on March 2^nd . I am leaving the decision for change to the list members. I am still gathering options. I will post suggestions in the next few days. The major option I am hearing is Facebook. I suppose this could work. But Facebook, in my humble opinion, would be turning a mailing list into a message board. And various mailing list members have stated they would not Facebook. Personally, I am in this bucket. I have personal issues with Facebook. Open discussion on the list. Voice your opinion. Enough for now. Will post more on other options in the future. Susan Penn Groover, List Administrator --- Genealogy: Where you confuse the dead and irritate the living.

    01/09/2020 07:34:34
    1. [GASUMTER] Roots Web no longer supporting mailing list in March 2020
    2. Susan Penn Groover
    3. For those that have not heard the news ... Rootsweb will no longer be supporting mailing lists in March 2020.  It will remain read only, so archives will be accessible.  In my mind, I question how long. Please keep in mind that each mailing list archives is the property of RootsWeb and will not be able to moved, removed, etc. Only the mailing list members list will be accessible by the admin for that list. I am looking for alternatives which I have started listing below. Alternatives: Ancestry -- as I understand, this alternative is platform based. Meaning one would have to long into to post a message as opposed to simply sending an e-mail. Groups.io -- would keep mailing, but to get full function a fee would be required. Google Groups -- I have not researched this option.  Personally, I have issues with Google and will not pursue this option as admin. I suppose the major decision is whether to remain an e-mail based Group or platform based? My personal prerequisite is that it is FREE. Discussion in open... Susan Groover, List Admin. -- --- Genealogy: Where you confuse the dead and irritate the living.

    01/09/2020 01:51:34
    1. [GASUMTER] Times Recorder Lookups needed
    2. stflaox via
    3. Hey Folks I have need for about six look-up of obits. I have names and publication dates. Will be happy to pay for time and any associated costs. Steve _stflaox@aol.com_ (mailto:stflaox@aol.com)

    06/23/2016 06:37:57
    1. [GASUMTER] Foster from Sumter county to Copiah Co., Mississippi
    2. BobFoster via
    3. While researching in Copiah county I came across these estate records for a James Foster who died 1837 in Copiah county. It appears that this Foster family was in Sumter County before they moved to Mississippi. They aren’t related to my Fosters as far as I can tell. They may be related to the Foster/Forrester family that came from Georgia to Claiborne county, Mississippi before 1810. I’m posting it here in case anyone is interested. The State of Mississippi Copiah County In the probate court of said County, at the January Term 1850. Personally appeared in Open Court at the above term, William Foster of Sumpter County in the State of Georgia, and William T. Foster of the County of Copiah and Shem T. Foster of Sumpter County Georgia, who being duly sworn on their oaths, respectively say that James M. Foster who appears before this Court as the heir and executor of the noncupative last will and Testament of James Foster, late of this County, deceased, is the identical James Foster named as the heir of William Foster of Sumpter County Georgia near Pontown Post Office, and heir of the said deceased. Sworn and subscribed in Open Court this 23rd January 1850 ED Brown clk William Foster William T. Foster Shem T. Foster Sales Bill of the personal property of James Foster late of Copiah County, State of Mississippi, deceased . . . Purchasers Names Levi Foster Jacob B. Reid Sarah Foster Tabitha Foster Nancy Foster Copiah Co., Mississippi Est of James Foster Decd Pet. of F. T. Foster for div of real estate Hon. M. H. Peyton Judge of the Probate Court of Copiah County State of Mississippi The petition of Felix T. Foster respectfully --?-- that James Foster died in the year 1837 seized and possessed of the following tract of land situate in the county of Copiah aforesaid to wit; the North half of Lot 2 and the north half of Lot 3 in section 28 township eleven range five east containing 89 88/100 acres and that the said James Foster left surviving him the following children -- Sarah Foster and Nancy A. Foster residents of Copiah county state of Mississippi; Shem T. Foster and your petitioner Tabitha Foster and Rebecca Harlan since deceased and who left the following children -- Lewis Harlan, Martha B. Harlan, Nancy O. Harlan and the last two being minors A. W. Harlan and S. W. Harlan non-residents of the state of Mississippi. You petitioner shows that he is (illegible) of Shem T. Foster's interest in said land by a deed of conveyance from him duly executed and recorded and that he is the guardian of Martha B. and Nancy O. Harlan . . . F. T. Foster 4 December 1866 Tabitha Foster Claiborne Lewis Harlan Claiborne Martha B. Harlan (minor) Claiborne Nancy O. Harlan (minor) Claiborne Sarah Foster and Nancy A. Foster Copiah AW Harlan & SW Harlan non-residents [Claiborne and Copiah are counties in MS]

    06/01/2016 11:24:02
    1. [GASUMTER] ACCUS BASS / NEEDHAM BASS
    2. Connie White
    3. Looking for information on the father of ACCUS BASS. Accus born in 1824 in North Carolina, married Malinda Houston in 1848 and Roxanna Aycock in 1856. I have found records showing him in Dooly County, Lee County, Sumter County and Worth County, Georgia. Have found various spellings of Accus including Acus, Achias, Ackies, Acceus, and even Icus. Have seen that a lot of people list Accus father as NEEDHAM BASS. I have yet to find any documentation to support that, but maybe I'm overlooking something. Any info is appreciated.

    12/11/2013 09:26:00
    1. Re: [GASUMTER] Worm
    2. jodiek444
    3. So sorry. It's a worm. Don't open. Delete. I've changed my password.

    11/27/2012 06:14:10
    1. [GASUMTER] (no subject)
    2. http://savemymarriages.net/wp-content/themes/freshnews/friends.php?needle271.jpg

    11/27/2012 05:32:02
    1. Re: [GASUMTER] Dorman - McNeely
    2. June, I apologize for overlooking your message about McNeelys. To answer, no, I have no information on the McNeelys (and I probably should be ashamed of myself). I don't even know if Allen Dorman and Mary Elizabeth McNeely were married in North Carolina, South Carolina or Georgia. There are family stories about Allen's son, Wiley, marrying his first wife, Martha (Patsy) Newberry, "on the Ashley River in South Carolina," but there is no evidence to show that. In fact, Martha's father, James Newberry, died in Jones County, GA and left a will naming his daughter, "Patsy" (Martha) Newberry, so, obviously, she wasn't married when he was in Georgia. The fact that your McNeely was in Sumter County is interesting, though, since the children of Allen who were there were from his second wife, Martha Pickett. I suppose it is possible that relatives from the first wife may have moved with the Dorman children and their mother, Martha Pickett Dorman, who was a Vandiver by the time she got to Sumter, but I would think not likely. I could be wrong. Some of Allen's first batch of children were possibly born in Warren County as he appears in several tax lists and deeds there in the late 1700s. Before that, the only records I have of him are in Edgecombe County, NC, starting in 1785 when he is named in his father's estate settlement. From Warren Co., GA (earliest record is 1795, last is 1805), he next appears in Jones (1815, marriage to second wife) and then in Twiggs (abt 1820), where he died in 1831. I say about 1820 in Twiggs because the 1820 census for Jones County is one of the few surviving in Georgia and Allen wasn't there, although his son, Ephraim, was. Two of his daughters married in Jones County in 1819 and 1821. He next shows up in Twiggs County on a tax list in 1818. I hope this helps. Judy -----Original Message----- From: Telesilla1 <Telesilla1@aol.com> To: gasumter <gasumter@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sat, Jul 21, 2012 5:46 pm Subject: Re: [GASUMTER] GASUMTER Digest, Vol 7, Issue 9 I descend from a James M. McNeely of Sumter Cty. Do you have more information on Mary Elizabeth McNeely????? Many thanks June (Telesilla1@aol.com) In a message dated 7/21/2012 3:10:39 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, gasumter-request@rootsweb.com writes: Today's Topics: 1. Dormans, courthouse research (jodiek444@aol.com) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2012 12:16:14 -0400 (EDT) From: jodiek444@aol.com Subject: [GASUMTER] Dormans, courthouse research To: gasumter@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <8CF34AA1D30389F-1FA0-2989E@webmail-d153.sysops.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I need to do some hands-on research in Sumter County trying to find records of the Dormans who lived there beginning in the 1840s (or maybe slightly earlier). I am assuming the courthouse is in Americus. Are courthouse employees helpful toward genealogy researchers? Are the records readily available ... deeds, probate, etc? Does the local library have genealogy material (Sumter County family histories, old newspapers, etc.)? I am seeking in particular a documented link between Jackson (maybe Andrew Jackson) Dorman who appears in the 1840 and 1850 censuses, and Allen Dorman who died in Twiggs County in 1831 (will burned in the courthouse file). Allen's widow, Martha Pickett Dorman, remarried to a Marcus Vandivier and he named the sons of Allen and Martha as his stepsons in his will. The stepsons were Allen, Cullen, Littleton P., Thomas and David J.P. There were no other children. These sons correspond with the same five sons of Allen and Martha who are shown in the 1830 Twiggs County census shortly before Allen died. I am trying to determine if "David J.P." is "Jackson." Undocumented and unsourced family trees on Rootsweb show a daughter of Allen Dorman and Martha Pickett, Martha, who was lliving with Littleton P. in 1850. Actually, this is the widow of Allen (Littleton P.'s brother) who died in 1845. This is shown in court records. Littleton P. was his administrator. Martha herself died in 1853. Her obit, naming her as the widow of Allen Dorman, late of Sumter County, appeared in the Wesleyan Christian Advocate. They had two children, William and Frances. These same undocumented and unsourced family trees on Rootsweb show another son of Allen Dorman and Martha Pickett, Alfred F. Dorman. Since he is not mentioned in the will of Marcus Vandivier as a stepson, I question the validity of that connection. Allen, Littleton P., Thomas and "Jackson" all appear in the Sumter County censuses. Their mother appears next door to her son, Thomas in 1850. Have not tried to find Cullen. Land and probate records would probably answer a lot of questions. Just need to know if they are accessible. This would be my "extended" family. I am descended from Allen Dorman and his first wife, Mary Elizabeth McNeely. Their children were Ephraim, Sarah Ann, Allen, Wiley D., Rudolph Henry, Mary Elizabeth, Purmeley (probably Permelia), William, Anna, and Louisa Elizabeth. Would love to hear from those who may be related or who may have information on the family or on researching in Sumter County. Many thanks, Judy Fowler Kilgore Newnan, GA ------------------------------ To contact the GASUMTER list administrator, send an email to GASUMTER-admin@rootsweb.com. To post a message to the GASUMTER mailing list, send an email to GASUMTER@rootsweb.com. __________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GASUMTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the email with no additional text. End of GASUMTER Digest, Vol 7, Issue 9 ************************************** ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GASUMTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

    07/28/2012 10:23:27
    1. Re: [GASUMTER] GASUMTER Digest, Vol 7, Issue 9
    2. I descend from a James M. McNeely of Sumter Cty. Do you have more information on Mary Elizabeth McNeely????? Many thanks June (Telesilla1@aol.com) In a message dated 7/21/2012 3:10:39 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, gasumter-request@rootsweb.com writes: Today's Topics: 1. Dormans, courthouse research (jodiek444@aol.com) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2012 12:16:14 -0400 (EDT) From: jodiek444@aol.com Subject: [GASUMTER] Dormans, courthouse research To: gasumter@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <8CF34AA1D30389F-1FA0-2989E@webmail-d153.sysops.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I need to do some hands-on research in Sumter County trying to find records of the Dormans who lived there beginning in the 1840s (or maybe slightly earlier). I am assuming the courthouse is in Americus. Are courthouse employees helpful toward genealogy researchers? Are the records readily available ... deeds, probate, etc? Does the local library have genealogy material (Sumter County family histories, old newspapers, etc.)? I am seeking in particular a documented link between Jackson (maybe Andrew Jackson) Dorman who appears in the 1840 and 1850 censuses, and Allen Dorman who died in Twiggs County in 1831 (will burned in the courthouse file). Allen's widow, Martha Pickett Dorman, remarried to a Marcus Vandivier and he named the sons of Allen and Martha as his stepsons in his will. The stepsons were Allen, Cullen, Littleton P., Thomas and David J.P. There were no other children. These sons correspond with the same five sons of Allen and Martha who are shown in the 1830 Twiggs County census shortly before Allen died. I am trying to determine if "David J.P." is "Jackson." Undocumented and unsourced family trees on Rootsweb show a daughter of Allen Dorman and Martha Pickett, Martha, who was lliving with Littleton P. in 1850. Actually, this is the widow of Allen (Littleton P.'s brother) who died in 1845. This is shown in court records. Littleton P. was his administrator. Martha herself died in 1853. Her obit, naming her as the widow of Allen Dorman, late of Sumter County, appeared in the Wesleyan Christian Advocate. They had two children, William and Frances. These same undocumented and unsourced family trees on Rootsweb show another son of Allen Dorman and Martha Pickett, Alfred F. Dorman. Since he is not mentioned in the will of Marcus Vandivier as a stepson, I question the validity of that connection. Allen, Littleton P., Thomas and "Jackson" all appear in the Sumter County censuses. Their mother appears next door to her son, Thomas in 1850. Have not tried to find Cullen. Land and probate records would probably answer a lot of questions. Just need to know if they are accessible. This would be my "extended" family. I am descended from Allen Dorman and his first wife, Mary Elizabeth McNeely. Their children were Ephraim, Sarah Ann, Allen, Wiley D., Rudolph Henry, Mary Elizabeth, Purmeley (probably Permelia), William, Anna, and Louisa Elizabeth. Would love to hear from those who may be related or who may have information on the family or on researching in Sumter County. Many thanks, Judy Fowler Kilgore Newnan, GA ------------------------------ To contact the GASUMTER list administrator, send an email to GASUMTER-admin@rootsweb.com. To post a message to the GASUMTER mailing list, send an email to GASUMTER@rootsweb.com. __________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GASUMTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the email with no additional text. End of GASUMTER Digest, Vol 7, Issue 9 **************************************

    07/21/2012 11:46:23
    1. [GASUMTER] Dormans, courthouse research
    2. I need to do some hands-on research in Sumter County trying to find records of the Dormans who lived there beginning in the 1840s (or maybe slightly earlier). I am assuming the courthouse is in Americus. Are courthouse employees helpful toward genealogy researchers? Are the records readily available ... deeds, probate, etc? Does the local library have genealogy material (Sumter County family histories, old newspapers, etc.)? I am seeking in particular a documented link between Jackson (maybe Andrew Jackson) Dorman who appears in the 1840 and 1850 censuses, and Allen Dorman who died in Twiggs County in 1831 (will burned in the courthouse file). Allen's widow, Martha Pickett Dorman, remarried to a Marcus Vandivier and he named the sons of Allen and Martha as his stepsons in his will. The stepsons were Allen, Cullen, Littleton P., Thomas and David J.P. There were no other children. These sons correspond with the same five sons of Allen and Martha who are shown in the 1830 Twiggs County census shortly before Allen died. I am trying to determine if "David J.P." is "Jackson." Undocumented and unsourced family trees on Rootsweb show a daughter of Allen Dorman and Martha Pickett, Martha, who was lliving with Littleton P. in 1850. Actually, this is the widow of Allen (Littleton P.'s brother) who died in 1845. This is shown in court records. Littleton P. was his administrator. Martha herself died in 1853. Her obit, naming her as the widow of Allen Dorman, late of Sumter County, appeared in the Wesleyan Christian Advocate. They had two children, William and Frances. These same undocumented and unsourced family trees on Rootsweb show another son of Allen Dorman and Martha Pickett, Alfred F. Dorman. Since he is not mentioned in the will of Marcus Vandivier as a stepson, I question the validity of that connection. Allen, Littleton P., Thomas and "Jackson" all appear in the Sumter County censuses. Their mother appears next door to her son, Thomas in 1850. Have not tried to find Cullen. Land and probate records would probably answer a lot of questions. Just need to know if they are accessible. This would be my "extended" family. I am descended from Allen Dorman and his first wife, Mary Elizabeth McNeely. Their children were Ephraim, Sarah Ann, Allen, Wiley D., Rudolph Henry, Mary Elizabeth, Purmeley (probably Permelia), William, Anna, and Louisa Elizabeth. Would love to hear from those who may be related or who may have information on the family or on researching in Sumter County. Many thanks, Judy Fowler Kilgore Newnan, GA

    07/20/2012 06:16:14
    1. [GASUMTER] Ga-Pike-Sumter-Muscogee Co. Death (Mrs. Elizabeth (Pryor) Crawford Holmes)
    2. Pike-Sumter-Muscogee County GaArchives Deaths.....Crawford Holmes, Elizabeth (Pryor) January 12, 1921 ************************************************ Copyright. All rights reserved. http://www.usgwarchives.net/copyright.htm http://www.usgwarchives.net/ga/gafiles.htm ************************************************ File contributed for use in USGenWeb Archives by: Valerie (Johnson) Freeman vcjfreeman@aol.com May 26, 2012, 7:17 pm Name: Crawford Holmes, Elizabeth (Pryor) Date Of Death: January 12, 1921 Time: 3:00 am Place Of Death: Americus, Sumter Co., Georgia Residence: 433 Forrest St, Americus, Sumter Co., Georgia Gender: Female Race: W Age: 93 Marital Status: Widowed Spouse: Holmes, J. G. Date Of Birth: Unavailable Place Of Birth: Pike Co., Georgia Mother's Name: don’t know Mother's Birthplace: - - - Father's Name: - - - Father's Birthplace: - - - Cause Of Death: old age & fall / Contributory: Fall at Home Occupation: Housekeeper Funeral Home: Americus Und Co Doctor: W. S. Prather Informant: J. C. Crawford Date Of Burial: January 12, 1921 Place Of Burial: Columbus, Georgia (Muscogee Co.) Date Recorded: January 12, 1921 Source Of Record: State of Georgia Certificate of Death Certificate No.: 2310 The informant, J. C. Crawford, is her son, John Clarke Crawford She is listed on the death certificate as Mrs. J. C. Holmes Additional Comments: Elizabeth "Lizzie" Pryor was the daughter of William A. Pryor and Lucy Cross She was born March 1828 in Pike Co., Georgia Married 1st to Edmund Crawford on December 21, 1843 in Pike Co., Georgia. Parents of: John Clarke Crawford Edmund Cobb Crawford Edmond died in Jan 1850 in Pike Co., Georgia Elizabeth married 2nd to the widower, James G. Holmes, on February 22, 1852 in Pike Co., Georgia. Parents of: Amelia C. Holmes Josiah Holmes William B. Holmes Her obituary can was transcribed by Lynn ( Ballard ) Cunningham: http://files.usgwarchives.net/ga/pike/obits/h/holmes8575gob.txt * 1850 Census - District No 68, Pike Co., Georgia; pg. 186A; HH as of June 1, 1850 - Enumerated October 23, 1850 - #888-888 William Pryor, 52, M, Farmer, $9000, Ga Lucy Pryor, 45, F, Ga Thomas J. Pryor, 18, M, student, Ga Madison Pryor, 11, M, Ga, attd sch Richard P. C. Pryor, 10, M, Ga, attd sch Elizabeth Crawford, 22, F, Ga John C. C. Crawford, 2, M, Ga Edmund C. Crawford, 9 mos, M, Ga K. W. Baker, 24, M, school teacher, Ga * 1860 Census - Pike Co., Georgia; P.O. Zebulon; pg. 62 HH as of June 1, 1860 - Enumerated July 10, 1860 - #425-409 William Pryor, 63, M, Farmer, $18,000/ $29,660, Ga Lucy Pryor, 54, F, Ga Thomas J. Pryor, 24, M, -- / $200, Ga, attd sch Madison Pryor, 20, M, farmer, -- / $350, Ga Richard C. Pryor, 18, M, farm laborer, Ga, attd sch John C. Crawford, 12, M, -- / $3250, Ga, attd sch Edmond C. Crawford, 10, M, -- / $3250, Ga, attd sch - - - 1860 Census - Pike Co., GA; P.O. Zebulon; pg. 120 HH as of June 1, 1860 - Enumerated August 7, 1860 - #861-824 James G. Holmes, 40, M, Farmer, $1000 / $6627, Ga (married Elizabeth (Pryor) Crawford in 1852) Elizabeth, 32, F, Ga Lealins C., 18, M, Ga William C., 16, M, Ga Charleton C., 14, M, Ga Leuwellan S., 12, M, Ga Amelia C., 6, F, Ga Josiah P., 3, M, Ga Willis B., 2 mos, M, Ga * 1870 Census - Pike Co., Georgia; pg. 218A HH as of June 1, 1870 - Enumerated August 10, 1870 - #1514-1528 James J. Holmes, 49, M W, Farmer, $4000 / $1000, Ga Elizabeth, 41, F W, Keeping House, Ga Amelia C., 14, F W, attending school, Ga Josiah T., 12, M W, attending school, Ga Willie, 9, M W, attending school, Ga * 1880 Census - Barnesville 533 Dist G. M., Pike Co., Georgia; ED 106; pg. 100A (area became Lamar Co on Nov 2, 1920) HH as of June 1, 1880 - Enumerated June 2, 1880 - #30-31 James G. Holmes, W M, 58, head, M, Farmer, Ga Ga Ga Lizzie, wife, W F, 49, wife, M, Keeping House, Ga Ga Ga Joseph, W M, 23, marital status & relationship blank, Clerk in Store, Ga Ga Ga (next page) Amelia C., W F, 21, dau, at home, Ga Ga Ga William, son, Laborer, 19, Ga Ga Ga * 1900 Census - 481 Militia District, Bibb Co., Georgia; ED 11; pg. 6B HH as of June 1, 1900 - Enumerated June 5, 1900 - #118-123 James G. Holmes, head, W M, Apr 1835, 65, M 40 yrs, Ga Va SC, Gruman (??) Elizabeth, wife, W F, Mar 1840, 60, M 40 yrs, 4/5 children, Ga Ga Ga * 1910 Census - Lower Town 668 Militia District Columbus City Ward 4, Muscogee Co., Georgia; ED 103; pg. 4A HH as of April 15, 1910 - Enumerated April 21, 1910 Second Avenue - #709-20-26 James J. Holmes, head, M W, 85, M 2x - current for 58 yrs, Ga Va NC Elizabeth, wife, F W, 82 M 2x - current for 58 yrs, 4/8 children, Ga Ga Ga * 1912 City Directory - Columbus, Muscogee Co., Georgia, pg. 245 Holmes, James G (Elizabeth), h 709 2d av * 1914 City Directory - Columbus, Muscogee Co., Georgia, pg. 266 Holmes, James J (Elizabeth), h 709 2d av * 1920 Census - Militia District 789 Americus City Ward 1, Sumter Co., Georgia; ED 100; pg. 4B HH as of January 1, 1920 - Enumerated January 7, 1920 Forest Street - #433-77-92 John C. Crawford, head, M W, 72, M, Ga Ga Ga, Merchant - groceries Ernest L., son, M W, 28, Wd Ga Ga Ga, merchant - oil mill Ernest O., Gson, M W, 3 y 1 m, S, Ga Ga Ga Elizabeth Holmes, mother, F W, 92, Wd, Ga NC SC Ella Crawford, wife, F W, 38, M, Ark Ga Ga Lenora W. Busbee, nephew M W, 1 y 5 m, S, Ga Ga Ga File at: http://files.usgwarchives.net/ga/pike/vitals/deaths/crawford884gdt.txt

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    1. Re: [GASUMTER] ROLL CALL!! - Nicey & Mary Duncan living with Samuel Smith 1850
    2. Household #521 - pg. 182 1850 Sumter Co. Census: (This record is almost illegible on Ancestry.com, but I read the real thing on microfilm). Samuel Smith - 26M - b. SC Nicey Duncan - 48F - b. SC Mary Duncan - 90F - b. VA William Duncan - 17M- b. GA John (or J. M). Bell/Bibb - 15M - b. FL Why are Nicey Duncan (age 48), Mary Duncan (age 90) and William Duncan (age 17) living with Samuel Smith (age 26)? Was Nicey Duncan the mother-in-law of Samuel Smith (whose wife is deceased)? FYI -- Samuel and Nicey were both born in SC. Is this a coincidence or significant? Nicey's daughter Epsey Duncan married Marshall WIlliams in Sumter Co., 7 Feb. 1850. Nicey also had a daughter Elizabeth b. 1834 -- where is she in 1850? In 1855 Elizabeth married James Lett in Chambers Co., AL. Why were the Duncan's living with Samuel Smith in Sumter Co. in 1850? In 1840, the Duncans were in Harris Co., and in 1860 the Duncans were in Chambers Co., AL. FYI - in 1830 Mary Duncan (head of household) in on pg. 164 of the Meriwether Co. Census along with a John Duncan (was this Nicey's husband?) and a Samuel Smith (age. 20-30). This Samuel Smith had a son age 5-10, who could have been the Samuel on the 1850 ceusus shown above. Was there any connection between the Samuel Smith of Meriwether Co. and the Samuel Smith of Sumter Co.? If anyone has any information on this family, I would really appreciate it. Thanks, Phyllis

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