Dale, how many books did Avant compile??? I know this is a very old message, but the information is still important. Carole D. -----Original Message----- From: Dale E. Reddick [mailto:dereddi@hargray.com] Sent: Sunday, July 24, 2005 9:59 PM To: GASCREVE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [GASCREVE] Re: Streigel -- Streigle --Stregle -- Stregel Ancestory Hi Valerie, I and several others are -quite- familiar with the so-called Avant collection at the state archives in Morrow. I have several of Mr. Avant's books stacked up here beside my desk. I do not consider those so-called Avant papers to be a private collection. It is illegal for a private individual to copyright official state, county, or municipal records in Georgia. That is what Mr. Avant (a Florida citizen) attempted with those early Burke County court records. He just happened to have in his possession the Wilder family ledger book which included those records. The restrictions placed upon those 'copyrighted' materials are patently illegal, since the contents of the Wilder family ledger mainly have to do with court records of early Burke and Screven Counties. Several members of this list have viewed those early court records. I've written about them in relation to my early Reddick ancestors and relatives. I do not for a single moment believe that the late Mr. Avant or his living son have a valid copyright upon those public records. The Secretary of State for Georgia (Cathy Cox) should be able to simply clear up this matter, if it is brought to her attention. Ernestly and sincerely, Dale E. Reddick ________________________________ vjadams@att.net wrote: >Dale, >Carolina Magdalena Bornemann, widow of John Christoph Bornemann married John Casper/Gasper Greiner/Griner. Their son Christian Philip was best buddies with the Bornemann son, Benjamin Welhelm Bornemann, who was seen signing his name as Burnaman as early as 1784 on some Burke County Court Records. By that time Greiner was also starting to be seen as Griner. The Griners were all in those records also. We believe that our gggg grandfather, Philip Burnaman, of Mississippi was most likely named after Christian Philip Griner. We found these court records of Burke County in the Avante Collection in the Georgia Archives in Morrow, GA. That is a private collection and cannot be copied but by hand. It has some good things in it if you are interested in that time period. We were able to use a digital camera but it was a low life camera that we ran out and got from the drug store so they are not the best images but we can see what it says. > >I would appreciate anything you have to offer of Arthur Gross works. I hear he did a lot of map work. > >The names you should find on those land plats are Johann Christoph Bornemann, Carolina Magdalena (Bornemann) Griner; John Henry Greves (father-in-law of Johann Christoph & father to Caroline Magdalena.) and Benjamin Welhelm Bornemann. When they went up there in 1752 they layed out three plots. One was for Johann Christoph; One was for John Henry Greve; and the other was the Glebe Land. >This family is in the Ebenezer Record Book. I am dealing with a translator in Germany now on the translation of the Johann Christoph diary. It was in the old German Script and you know what that means. > >A child of Johann Christoph and Caroline Magdaline is buried there as well as Margaritha Greve, mother of Carolina Magdalena (Greve) Bornemann Griner. > >Thank you so much for your kindness and I look forward to hearing from you. >Valerie Adams >vjadams@att.net >-------------- Original message from "Dale E. Reddick" <dereddi@hargray.com>: -------------- > > > > >>Hey Valerie, >> >>Well, this is an interesting conjunction of topics. >> >>It just so happens that I've got a box full of letters and maps and >>interpretations of early plats as produced by the later Mr. Arthur >>Gross. These were provided to me by Alex Lee. >> >>I've done very little with this material. However, I am interested in >>it due its later overlap with land plats recorded in local courthouses. >> >>Some of the Arthur Gross works include the folks at New Goettingen. >>I'll have to look at what Alex provided to me see if your Bornemann is >>listed on one of those maps created by Mr. Gross. >> >>Unless I'm terribly mistaken, Physician Bornemann's widow married my >>Griner ancestor! >> >>---------- >> >>And yeah - Gert is the SEVENTH named storm of the season and we ain't >>yet out of July. Time for the pouring of concrete fortification-like >>homes, folks! >> >>Dale >>________________________________ >> >>vjadams@att.net wrote: >> >> >> >>>Hi Dale, >>>I always enjoy reading the e-mails from over there. I guess I hope to get some >>> >>> >>information about my Bornemann Family - Johann Christoph Bornemann settled New >>Gottingen about 1752 and that area was also called Halifax. I see where you are >>speaking of land plats, etc. about 1792. Do you think there is a land map >>anywhere that shows who owns the land at that time? We would like to be able to >>follow the Burnaman land at New Goettingen to see who may have purchased it for >>some years. You are quite knowledgable about that area. >> >> >>>I understand that Johann Christoph Bornemann will be the topic of the program >>> >>> >>at the Salzburger function over Labor Day at Ebenezer. We've been invited to >>come but is is such a bad time of year to get away. My traveling friend and her >>mother cannot go because Anna is a professor and will be back in the class room. >>We both live in low lying areas of the Gulf Coast of Texas and when a hurricane >>appears to be coming our way there is mandatory evacuation. We have to gather >>or valuables, close, up and evacuate. >> >> >>>For me, living near NASA (Johnson Space Center South of Houston) it has to get >>> >>> >>pretty bad but Anna lives only seven feet above sea level near the >>Texas-Louisiana Line. We will be trying to work a way to go so we can be there >>as his descendants. >> >> >>>I look forward to hearing from you about the map/plats or whatever might help >>> >>> >>us. >> >> >>>Thanks for your time, >>>Valerie Adams >>>vjadams@att.net >>> >>>-------------- Original message from "Dale E. Reddick" : >>> >>> >>-------------- >> >> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>Hey Kathy, >>>> >>>>The following covers more than one topic. However, as you can see from >>>>reading it - all are interconnected. >>>> >>>>Where did you find your 'WILL SOURCE'? I cannot recall having ever seen >>>>that book. My Reddicks were likely in Halifax sometime between 1775 and >>>>1785, living around Francis Paris' mill pond on Brier Creek. >>>> >>>>My gggg-grandfather Nicholas Reddick was there by May of 1785 when he >>>>appeared in a court case. Nicholas and his three brothers were probably >>>>fathered by John Raddick / Readick / Reddick, who had gotten land on the >>>>Ogeechee River in 1767 & '75 (across from Oliver & Halcyondale). An >>>>earlier 1764 land acquisition in Christ Church Parish by John 'Raddick' >>>>had been witnessed by Francis Paris, as was the 1767 land acquition on >>>>the Ogeechee. There was some sort of connection between Francis Paris >>>>and the early generations of Reddicks from Christ Church Parish (Chatham >>>>Co.) up along the Ogeechee River and then across to Brier Creek. >>>> >>>>By 1792 the Ogeechee River property of John Reddick had passed into the >>>>possession of John Michael Burkhalter. This is known from two 1792 >>>>survey plats found in the Effingham County courthouse. The four Reddick >>>>brothers (presumed sons of John Reddick) had been living along Brier >>>>Creek since at least as early as the Spring of 1785. >>>> >>>>I've probably said this very nearly too many times on this list, but the >>>>miller Francis Paris was an important person in what was then Halifax >>>>District. He had two mills built at his mill site on Brier Creek ("Mill >>>>Town" was what he advertised it as, while everyone else called it Paris' >>>>Mill - now known as Millhaven). Apparently, he may have had a third >>>>mill in that vicinity. He was a Justice of the Peace. He had been a >>>>servant to the first 'President' of the colony of Georgia - William >>>>Stephens. He acted in an official capacity for some of his neighbors >>>>and perhaps friends or relatives - providing witness for them in the >>>>Royal Colonial offices in Savannah. If you ever find a Francis Paris >>>>connection to anyone you're researching then let me know about it. I'm >>>>the ADMIN for all four of the Paris and Parris message boards & e-mail >>>>lists on RootsWeb. I try to share whatever I'm ever to learn about >>>>Francis Paris with those lists. There are Paris descendants throughout >>>>both Burke and Screven Counties. >>>> >>>>Dale >>>>________________________________ >>>> >>>>Kathy McElveen wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>Al and Dale, thanks for the info which I most certainly add to my >>>>>Streigle/Stregle folder for reference. I did find this in my files on >>>>>George Streigle. I also have a note that the original spelling in the >>>>>earliest records was Stregl. >>>>> >>>>>BIOGRAPHY SOURCE: Historical Collection of Georgia (Talbert Library, Book >>>>>975.8, His 12.) >>>>>Vol. VIII, pg. 706: Immigrant from Europe. Settled in Halifax District on >>>>>the Savannah River in St. George's Parish in 1753. >>>>>Vol. IX, 1763-1766, pg. 103: "Petition of George Streigell for 100 acres >>>>>read." Read a Petition of George Streigell setting forth that he had been >>>>>some years in the Province and had two hundred acres of land granted him >>>>>whereon he was settled and was desirous to obtain an additional Tract having >>>>>a Wife and three Children Therefore praying for One hundred Acres at Halifax >>>>>joining the Land before granted him.-- >>>>>Vol. X, pg. 83: He became an original land owner by a grand made in February >>>>>1767 for 150 acres of land in Halifax District, St. George Parish, Province >>>>>of Georgia. >>>>>Resolved that on Condition only that the Petitioner doth take out a Grant >>>>>for the said Land within seven Months from this Date and that he doth also >>>>>register the said Grant in the Register's office of this Province within Six >>>>>Months from the Date thereof that his Majesty may not be defrauded of his >>>>>Quit Rents the Prayer of the said Petition is granted. >>>>> >>>>>WILL SOURCE: Wills, Halifax, GA, book A, pg 258, Will #132 >>>>>George Stregles made his Last Will and Testament January 18, 1767, and the >>>>>same was proved March 23, 1768. He died between February, 1767 and March >>>>>23, 1768. In his will he names as his wife, Catrine. He also names three >>>>>children as follows: Nicholas, Barbara, and Elizabeth, daughter to my >>>>>wife. He signed his will with his mark and stated that he was a Blacksmith. >>>>> >>>>>Kathy >>>>>p.s. I am still curious about the Huguenot connection?, could this be >>>>>through a spousal line of Nicholas Streigles? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>----- Original Message ----- >>>>>From: "Dale E. Reddick" >>>>>To: >>>>>Sent: Sunday, July 24, 2005 10:27 AM >>>>>Subject: Re: [GASCREVE] Re: Streigel -- Streigle --Stregle -- Stregel >>>>>Ancestory >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>| Hey Al, >>>>>| >>>>>| I understood that Halifax was the lower portion of St. George Parish. >>>>>| That would be the upper part of Screven County, which had originally >>>>>| been part of Burke County and so part of the earlier St. George Parish. >>>>>| This would have included the settlement along the Savannah River between >>>>>| the mouth of Brier Creek and up towards Stoney Bluff and into part of >>>>>| what is now Burke County. Also included would have been the Brier Creek >>>>>| and Beaverdam Creek settlement areas. This would have included those >>>>>| places known to us as Millhaven and Jacksonboro. >>>>>| >>>>>| At least, that's what I understood Halifax to mean. >>>>>| >>>>>| Dale >>>>>| ________________________________ >>>>>| >>>>>| AWChassereau@aol.com wrote: >>>>>| >>>>>| >Kathy and others -- There is a listing of 224 descendants for 9 >>>>>generations >>>>>| >of Streiegles in the 2003 edition of Georgia Salzburgers and Allied >>>>>Families, >>>>>| >Vol. 4, pages 2998 -- 3008. >>>>>| > >>>>>| >It begins with George Streiegel and his family who settled in Halifax, a >>>>>| >settlement upstream from Ebenezer, by 1758. >>>>>| > >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>> >>> >> >> ============================== Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx