Cuz! I looked thru the James boys bio again this pm and there is no mention in the index ( which is very thorough ) about their father " Bob Jim " James ( Robert Salee James ) coming from Georgia. Both Frank and Jesse traveled to Atlanta several times for horse races. When they hid out in nashville they made part of theior 'honest' living off of racing their prize horses in Nashville, Atlanta, Kentucky. Reverend James and his new bride, Zeralda Cole, left Ky and went to Clay Co., Missouri in time for Frank to be born there in January 10,1843; Jesse on September 27, 1847; another son, Robert r. James died at birth in 1845 and a daughter, Susan Lavinia James, was born Nov. 29, 1949. Zeralda was born at Midway, Ky near Lexington, where her father operated the Black Horse Tavern. rev. James dioed in the gold camps at Hangtown ( how appropriate! ) of a fever in 1850. Hangtown renamed ( thank God! ) Placerville. Ambitious Chamber of Commerce behind that move I'd say! Maybe this bit of dates/sites/data will help some of you find Rev. James' origin. I mentioned i9n another e mail reply about John Wesley Harden marrying Janie Bowen. he was also on the run from the law a lot and even lived here in Jacksonville and worked in a butcher shop ( appropriate for a guy with over 30 kills! ). hE was recognizeds by a railroad detective and he put the " Haul As..." on it to Charleston and then other sites before relocating in SW labama at Janes' parents farm. he then began a very successful timber/logging business on the river and down thru Pensacola. he was really expanding, buying lumber mills, logging opperations until again being spotted by the law and, ever once again, a serious dose of 'adios! " took over. He went back to Texas, planted a few more owlhoots before being captured. After over 20 eyars in prison he was released and became a lawyer of all things, was successful until a bit of lead penetrated his cranium in a bar, well-placed by another ne'er-do-well. my interesets in subjects of a historical nature run wide and deep and cover a hundred different preferences. As some have put it " Some people have it and some don't..ol' Randy is full of it ! " Randy ----- Original Message ----- From: <Scotti3275@aol.com> To: <gascreve@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2008 7:15 PM Subject: Re: [GASCREVE] Bowen; James Alexander Bowen b 1820 Duplin NC, d 1880 Gadsden Fl > Hi, All, > > My paternal grandmother, Laura Mock Scott, always insisted that she was > the fourth cousin of Frank and Jesse James. Now, according to Screven County > marriage records, Laura's grandfather, John A. W. Cubbedge, married Mary Ann > James in 1844, so that may have been so. Also, I remember reading somewhere > that Frank and Jesse's father's family were originally from Georgia, but I > have not been able to substantiate that. Lastly, in a letter written in 1935 > by my great-grandfather, John Randolph Mock, he stated that his mother-in-law > (Mary Ann Cubbedge) was "a Jewess orphan named Emanuel, who had been adopted > by the Evans family". If this is confusing to you, you can rest assured > that I am as well! I hope that this helps someone though. Happy hunting! > > Scotty > > > > **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. > http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GASCREVE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Don't step in IT Randy, What is this book you keep referring to sounds like an interesting read? Thanks, Nan Randy Scott wrote: > Cuz! I looked thru the James boys bio again this pm and there is no mention > in the index ( which is very thorough ) about their father " Bob Jim " James > ( Robert Salee James ) coming from Georgia. Both Frank and Jesse traveled to > Atlanta several times for horse races. When they hid out in nashville they > made part of theior 'honest' living off of racing their prize horses in > Nashville, Atlanta, Kentucky. Reverend James and his new bride, Zeralda > Cole, left Ky and went to Clay Co., Missouri in time for Frank to be born > there in January 10,1843; Jesse on September 27, 1847; another son, Robert > r. James died at birth in 1845 and a daughter, Susan Lavinia James, was born > Nov. 29, 1949. Zeralda was born at Midway, Ky near Lexington, where her > father operated the Black Horse Tavern. rev. James dioed in the gold camps > at Hangtown ( how appropriate! ) of a fever in 1850. Hangtown renamed ( > thank God! ) Placerville. Ambitious Chamber of Commerce behind that move > I'd say! Maybe this bit of dates/sites/data will help some of you find Rev. > James' origin. I mentioned i9n another e mail reply about John Wesley Harden > marrying Janie Bowen. he was also on the run from the law a lot and even > lived here in Jacksonville and worked in a butcher shop ( appropriate for a > guy with over 30 kills! ). hE was recognizeds by a railroad detective and he > put the " Haul As..." on it to Charleston and then other sites before > relocating in SW labama at Janes' parents farm. he then began a very > successful timber/logging business on the river and down thru Pensacola. he > was really expanding, buying lumber mills, logging opperations until again > being spotted by the law and, ever once again, a serious dose of 'adios! " > took over. He went back to Texas, planted a few more owlhoots before being > captured. After over 20 eyars in prison he was released and became a lawyer > of all things, was successful until a bit of lead penetrated his cranium in > a bar, well-placed by another ne'er-do-well. my interesets in subjects of a > historical nature run wide and deep and cover a hundred different > preferences. As some have put it " Some people have it and some don't..ol' > Randy is full of it ! " Randy > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <Scotti3275@aol.com> > To: <gascreve@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2008 7:15 PM > Subject: Re: [GASCREVE] Bowen; James Alexander Bowen b 1820 Duplin NC, d > 1880 Gadsden Fl > > > >> Hi, All, >> >> My paternal grandmother, Laura Mock Scott, always insisted that she >> > was > >> the fourth cousin of Frank and Jesse James. Now, according to Screven >> > County > >> marriage records, Laura's grandfather, John A. W. Cubbedge, married Mary >> > Ann > >> James in 1844, so that may have been so. Also, I remember reading >> > somewhere > >> that Frank and Jesse's father's family were originally from Georgia, but >> > I > >> have not been able to substantiate that. Lastly, in a letter written in >> > 1935 > >> by my great-grandfather, John Randolph Mock, he stated that his >> > mother-in-law > >> (Mary Ann Cubbedge) was "a Jewess orphan named Emanuel, who had been >> > adopted > >> by the Evans family". If this is confusing to you, you can rest assured >> that I am as well! I hope that this helps someone though. Happy >> > hunting! > >> Scotty >> >> >> >> **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. >> http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> > GASCREVE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GASCREVE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >

Hi, Nan. The James brothers bio/history is: "Frank and Jesse James: The Story Behind The Legend ", by Ted P. Yeatman, Cumberland House Publishing, Nashville; 2000; 474 + pages, history/photos/maps An almost exhaustive history of the brothers. The John wesley Harden bio/history is: " Noble Outlaw" by Matt Braun, from the The Gunfighters Chronicles Series ' St Martins Paperbacks, 1975. This one details the Bowen wife of John Wesley. Tehse are a part of my vast collection of books on the American West ( Indian lives/culture, indian wars, mountainmen era, the white man's imncursion and development of the west; Civil War of all levels of study, North and South;( over 700 in my collection ) Lincoln collectables and books ( over 700 in this batch )Florida and Southern histories; The Mafia; Baseball and other sports history; newspapers from the 1700/1800's; philatelics and numismatics ( love those big wodrs! ) music history especially jazz and early rock; great literature American and world ( about 500 in this gathering ) and the study of American law and supreme court decisions ( about 100 here ) and other interests and collections, not to mention a plethora ofgenie and other alogy works including those i've written/compiled ( got to catch up to Cousin scotty! ) Around 5,000 in toto ( that means total, not Dorothy's dog! ha ha ) Randy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nan Ready" <nready@comcast.net> To: <gascreve@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, February 01, 2008 9:43 PM Subject: Re: [GASCREVE] Bowen; James Alexander Bowen b 1820 Duplin NC, d 1880 Gadsden Fl > Don't step in IT Randy, > What is this book you keep referring to sounds like an interesting read? > > Thanks, Nan > > > Randy Scott wrote: > > Cuz! I looked thru the James boys bio again this pm and there is no mention > > in the index ( which is very thorough ) about their father " Bob Jim " James > > ( Robert Salee James ) coming from Georgia. Both Frank and Jesse traveled to > > Atlanta several times for horse races. When they hid out in nashville they > > made part of theior 'honest' living off of racing their prize horses in > > Nashville, Atlanta, Kentucky. Reverend James and his new bride, Zeralda > > Cole, left Ky and went to Clay Co., Missouri in time for Frank to be born > > there in January 10,1843; Jesse on September 27, 1847; another son, Robert > > r. James died at birth in 1845 and a daughter, Susan Lavinia James, was born > > Nov. 29, 1949. Zeralda was born at Midway, Ky near Lexington, where her > > father operated the Black Horse Tavern. rev. James dioed in the gold camps > > at Hangtown ( how appropriate! ) of a fever in 1850. Hangtown renamed ( > > thank God! ) Placerville. Ambitious Chamber of Commerce behind that move > > I'd say! Maybe this bit of dates/sites/data will help some of you find Rev. > > James' origin. I mentioned i9n another e mail reply about John Wesley Harden > > marrying Janie Bowen. he was also on the run from the law a lot and even > > lived here in Jacksonville and worked in a butcher shop ( appropriate for a > > guy with over 30 kills! ). hE was recognizeds by a railroad detective and he > > put the " Haul As..." on it to Charleston and then other sites before > > relocating in SW labama at Janes' parents farm. he then began a very > > successful timber/logging business on the river and down thru Pensacola. he > > was really expanding, buying lumber mills, logging opperations until again > > being spotted by the law and, ever once again, a serious dose of 'adios! " > > took over. He went back to Texas, planted a few more owlhoots before being > > captured. After over 20 eyars in prison he was released and became a lawyer > > of all things, was successful until a bit of lead penetrated his cranium in > > a bar, well-placed by another ne'er-do-well. my interesets in subjects of a > > historical nature run wide and deep and cover a hundred different > > preferences. As some have put it " Some people have it and some don't..ol' > > Randy is full of it ! " Randy > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: <Scotti3275@aol.com> > > To: <gascreve@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2008 7:15 PM > > Subject: Re: [GASCREVE] Bowen; James Alexander Bowen b 1820 Duplin NC, d > > 1880 Gadsden Fl > > > > > > > >> Hi, All, > >> > >> My paternal grandmother, Laura Mock Scott, always insisted that she > >> > > was > > > >> the fourth cousin of Frank and Jesse James. Now, according to Screven > >> > > County > > > >> marriage records, Laura's grandfather, John A. W. Cubbedge, married Mary > >> > > Ann > > > >> James in 1844, so that may have been so. Also, I remember reading > >> > > somewhere > > > >> that Frank and Jesse's father's family were originally from Georgia, but > >> > > I > > > >> have not been able to substantiate that. Lastly, in a letter written in > >> > > 1935 > > > >> by my great-grandfather, John Randolph Mock, he stated that his > >> > > mother-in-law > > > >> (Mary Ann Cubbedge) was "a Jewess orphan named Emanuel, who had been > >> > > adopted > > > >> by the Evans family". If this is confusing to you, you can rest assured > >> that I am as well! I hope that this helps someone though. Happy > >> > > hunting! > > > >> Scotty > >> > >> > >> > >> **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. > >> http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 > >> > >> ------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> > > GASCREVE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GASCREVE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GASCREVE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >