Hello all, I am returning to the subject of maps that was covered last month. I've twice recently stopped in the Tax Assessors Office at the Screven Co. Courthouse and had a look at aerial photographic maps. Why did I want to look at the tax maps of the county? Well, they often show cemetaries (including old ones that are now hard to find) and other features hidden away in the less accessible parts of the county and how they lie within the woods that surround them. The tax accessor's office has aerial photographs taken in both 1999 and 1988. And, they still retain some images of aerial photos taken in 1977. The nice thing about these aerial photos is that they can memeograph them for three dollars, apiece. Get the aerial photos for an area for two or more decades of change and you might be able to find a lost cemetary or other distinguishing feature / lankmark. I have examples of these maps for the area surrounding my family's property and features such as buildings, logging roads, and odd little clearings in the woods are clearly visible. I also have the aerial map 79 for 1999 & 1988 and can clearly see both of the Reddick cemetaries lying between GA 24 and US 301, near Jacksonboro. I've also looked at other aerial maps for the Cameron area and can clearly see one of the cemetaries that several members of the list have been searching for (maybe it's the one they have been looking for - maybe they have already seen this one [I'm not sure]). I viewed this cemetary on aerial maps for 1999, 1988, and 1977. That's 22 years of overhead imagery with which to note changes in the condition of the area and try to find features that are no longer visible while one is onsite at ground level. If you have copies of the USGS topographic maps then you can use both together and in conjunction to help determine exact locations of old settlement sites or cemetaries when the landscape has been changed by the introduction of things like pine plantations. These aerial maps clearly display changes in the condition of the ground as the decades pass. New plantings of pine plantations stand out. Woods converted to fields and the reverse are readily understood from viewing the aerial photos. Perhaps an overgrown clearing containing an old cemetary will be visible in an arial photo from an earlier decade. As an alternative source for aerial maps - here is a site for a USGS service that (mostly) offers three different aerial photographic views of different areas within any county. For example, three images photographed aerially at three different times across about a decade offer a useful tool for evaluating the lay of the land when searching for old landmarks or structures. You can order these photographic maps (place the order online and then call to give credit card information or make provision for other means of payment) and perhaps you can find a 'missing' cemetary or other structure (old road, etc.) on one or more of the images. http://edcwww.cr.usgs.gov/Webglis/glisbin/finder I hope that this information proves to be useful for those in search of their past. Dale E. Reddick

Harvey, Thanks for the info. Liz

Liz: Most LDS library carry books showing the boundaries at various times and the splitting up of counties to form new and additional counties. Harvey

Bob, Thanks for the info. I've heard about this book, but have never seen it. Will make a point of finding it. Liz In a message dated 08/04/2000 10:33:54 PM Eastern Daylight Time, bgriner@pineland.net writes: << Subj: Re: [GASCREVE] FL & GA state line Date: 08/04/2000 10:33:54 PM Eastern Daylight Time From: bgriner@pineland.net (Bob Griner) Reply-to: GASCREVE-L@rootsweb.com To: GASCREVE-L@rootsweb.com Liz: There is a book "Map Guide to the U.S. Federal Census 1790-1920" it shows all states and there borders and also counties within each State as the country progressed. It is very helpful when you are trying to locate a family in the census. Sometimes it may seem that a family moved two or three times, when it was only the boundaries being changed around them. This book was published in 1987 and the second printing in 1988 and finally a paperback edition in 1992. It was published by Genealogical Publishing Co., Inc. 1001 N. Calvert St., Baltimore, MD. The authors were William Thorndale and William Dollarhide. Sincerely, Bob DLizgerlits@aol.com wrote: > Please excuse the multiple messages. > > I need info regarding the Florida & Georgia state line. I know it moved > around from time to time over a period of many, many years before it was > finally settled. > > I am researching in Gadsden Co, FL and Decatur Co, FL. It would be helpful to > know more about where and when the state line was located. For instance, I > know a person could have been born in what we now know as Florida, but at the > time of their birth, it was known as Georgia. > > If anyone has any info on this or can tell me where to find some, I would > really appreciate it. > > Thanks! > > Liz Gerlits > Palm Bay, FL > Email: DLizgerlits@aol.com > = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = > Researching in SE: Booth, Chester, Johnson, Jordan, King, Mashburn, Moore, > McElvy/McElvey, Phillips, Reeves, Register/Regester, Toole, Yon > = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = > If you're interested in a cookbook with a genealogy theme "Recipes from > Family, Friends & Strangers", please contact me privately at > DLizgerlits@aol.com. > > ============================== > Personalized Mailing Lists: never miss a connection again. > http://pml.rootsweb.com/ > Brought to you by RootsWeb.com. ============================== Genealogy calendars, guestbooks and more: Visit RootsWeb's Resource Center at http://resources.rootsweb.com/ ----------------------- Headers -------------------------------- Return-Path: <.GASCREVE-L-request@rootsweb.com> Received: from rly-yh05.mx.aol.com (rly-yh05.mail.aol.com [172.18.147.37]) by air-yh05.mail.aol.com (v75_b3.11) with ESMTP; Fri, 04 Aug 2000 22:33:54 -0400 Received: from lists6.rootsweb.com (lists6.rootsweb.com [63.92.80.125]) by rly-yh05.mx.aol.com (v75_b3.9) with ESMTP; Fri, 04 Aug 2000 22:33:21 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by lists6.rootsweb.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) id e752WhW21654; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 19:32:43 -0700 Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 19:32:43 -0700 X-Original-Sender: bgriner@pineland.net Fri Aug 4 19:32:43 2000 Message-ID: <398B7BF4.BA299283@pineland.net> Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2000 22:29:09 -0400 From: Bob Griner <.bgriner@pineland.net> X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Old-To: GASCREVE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [GASCREVE] FL & GA state line References: <.c6.8d78b3e.26bab430@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <8bWW4B.A.KSF.Lz3i5@lists6.rootsweb.com> To: GASCREVE-L@rootsweb.com Resent-From: GASCREVE-L@rootsweb.com Reply-To: GASCREVE-L@rootsweb.com X-Mailing-List: <.GASCREVE-L@rootsweb.com> archive/latest/2501 X-Loop: GASCREVE-L@rootsweb.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: GASCREVE-L-request@rootsweb.com >>

Liz: There is a book "Map Guide to the U.S. Federal Census 1790-1920" it shows all states and there borders and also counties within each State as the country progressed. It is very helpful when you are trying to locate a family in the census. Sometimes it may seem that a family moved two or three times, when it was only the boundaries being changed around them. This book was published in 1987 and the second printing in 1988 and finally a paperback edition in 1992. It was published by Genealogical Publishing Co., Inc. 1001 N. Calvert St., Baltimore, MD. The authors were William Thorndale and William Dollarhide. Sincerely, Bob DLizgerlits@aol.com wrote: > Please excuse the multiple messages. > > I need info regarding the Florida & Georgia state line. I know it moved > around from time to time over a period of many, many years before it was > finally settled. > > I am researching in Gadsden Co, FL and Decatur Co, FL. It would be helpful to > know more about where and when the state line was located. For instance, I > know a person could have been born in what we now know as Florida, but at the > time of their birth, it was known as Georgia. > > If anyone has any info on this or can tell me where to find some, I would > really appreciate it. > > Thanks! > > Liz Gerlits > Palm Bay, FL > Email: DLizgerlits@aol.com > = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = > Researching in SE: Booth, Chester, Johnson, Jordan, King, Mashburn, Moore, > McElvy/McElvey, Phillips, Reeves, Register/Regester, Toole, Yon > = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = > If you're interested in a cookbook with a genealogy theme "Recipes from > Family, Friends & Strangers", please contact me privately at > DLizgerlits@aol.com. > > ============================== > Personalized Mailing Lists: never miss a connection again. > http://pml.rootsweb.com/ > Brought to you by RootsWeb.com.

Please excuse the multiple posts. Yesterday I posted a question to the lists for info regarding the moving of the FL/GA state lines over a period of time before it was finally settled to where it is today. By the way, This was a 200-year old situation. Many people wrote saying they also would like the info. I received many responses from many kind and knowledgable people. I believe I've thanked all of them privately, but I would also like to thank them again publicly. You're all wonderful. I need to clear something up before I post a summary of the info I received. My question had nothing to do with county formation. For instance, Decatur County was always in GA and Gadsden County was always in FL. The question was "Where was GA?" and "Where was FL?". Summary of Info Received: 1. "The History of Decatur County" by Frank Jones: This book devotes chapter Vlll to "The Boundry Line Between Georgia and Florida". This book can be found in many libraries. 2. "Gadsden - A Florida County in Word and Picture" by Miles Kenan Womack, Jr. This book can be found in many libraries. 3. "Watson Line" by Duke Vickery: Info on this can be found on the Gadsden County, FL and Jackson County, FL web sites. One way to get there by using this URL: http://members.aol.com/sweeney/3030/gadsden.html. This same info is on another site: http://geocities.com/Heartland/Bluffs/3010/index.htm. 4. In the Florida Collection at the Indian River County Main Library in Vero Beach, FL is: Documents relative to the Boundary Between Georgia and Florida. Published bythe 2nd Session, 33 Congress 1854-55. This can also be found at most government depositories. 5. Here are other web sites you may want to check out: http://www.cviog.uga.edu/Projects/gainfo/cwmaps.htm http://www.cviog.uga.edu/Projects/gainfo/gamaps.htm http://www.rootsweb.com/~usgenweb/maps 6. One person is going to snail mail a court order regarding the FL/GA state line issue. She says it is very interesting reading. If anyone is interested in a few of the interesting messages sent to me, email me privately and I'll forward them to you privately. Hope this helps others. Liz Gerlits Palm Bay, FL

Thanks, Judy. I guess there are just too many ops and I am not aware of them. I still find it strange that FTM doesn't have this option availabe without doing the book! we attempted a book with a small line for practive and out came those wasted pages. guess I shall have to play with it more. am pleased to hear that it does work. Want to get some of my lines into book form and present them as gifts this Christmas for some of the "older" relatives. Judy -----Original Message----- From: AslanJ@aol.com <AslanJ@aol.com> To: GASCREVE-L@rootsweb.com <GASCREVE-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Thursday, August 03, 2000 7:14 PM Subject: Re: [GASCREVE] Trees >In a message dated 8/2/00 8:30:44 PM Pacific Daylight Time, 2jv@bellsouth.net >writes: > ><< Subj: [GASCREVE] Trees > Date: 8/2/00 8:30:44 PM Pacific Daylight Time > From: 2jv@bellsouth.net (Judy V. Mason) > Reply-to: GASCREVE-L@rootsweb.com > To: GASCREVE-L@rootsweb.com > > I have used FTM since it first came out on the market. Am usually pleased > with workings of it all, other than for two items. The first is the > inability of one to be able to print out a copy of the index!!! That would > be so handy! when one has 14,000 names in their data, a printable list > would be helpful to have. > >> > > >Judy - If you do the book format you will have an index to print of all in >that descendancy. > >Judy Canant > > >============================== >Search ALL of RootsWeb's mailing lists in real time. >RootsWeb's Personalized Mailing Lists: >http://pml.rootsweb.com/ > >

In a message dated 8/3/00 8:01:07 PM Pacific Daylight Time, 2jv@bellsouth.net writes: << Subj: Re: [GASCREVE] Trees Date: 8/3/00 8:01:07 PM Pacific Daylight Time From: 2jv@bellsouth.net (Judy V. Mason) Reply-to: GASCREVE-L@rootsweb.com To: GASCREVE-L@rootsweb.com Thanks, Judy. I guess there are just too many ops and I am not aware of them. I still find it strange that FTM doesn't have this option availabe without doing the book! we attempted a book with a small line for practive and out came those wasted pages. guess I shall have to play with it more. am pleased to hear that it does work. Want to get some of my lines into book form and present them as gifts this Christmas for some of the "older" relatives. Judy >> It will go well, Judy. Once you select the book format in the name of the one you want to do the descendancy from, you can choose from the left side which things you want to include. Once you get them to the right side, you can double click on any one and then, once that part opens you can delete any extra pages or anything that shows up. (Although I didn't have extra pages on any I did) You can add a Preface with your own dialogue, etc. I added a photo of a family crest to one I did for just our family and it looked great. Judy

In a message dated 8/2/00 8:30:44 PM Pacific Daylight Time, 2jv@bellsouth.net writes: << I do not like the way their BOOK prints out at all. It wastes paper!!!!!! But ehn I have not really tried to complete a book it total, and then try it. Anyone tried that? >> I have, Judy. You have options galore in the book format. I have not seen any wasted paper in what I have done. You can choose what things to place in it and then how to do each one. My 1st and 2nd edition of my book 'This Bryan Family" was done with the FTM book format and it went well. Judy Canant (again) ;-)

In a message dated 8/2/00 8:30:44 PM Pacific Daylight Time, 2jv@bellsouth.net writes: << Subj: [GASCREVE] Trees Date: 8/2/00 8:30:44 PM Pacific Daylight Time From: 2jv@bellsouth.net (Judy V. Mason) Reply-to: GASCREVE-L@rootsweb.com To: GASCREVE-L@rootsweb.com I have used FTM since it first came out on the market. Am usually pleased with workings of it all, other than for two items. The first is the inability of one to be able to print out a copy of the index!!! That would be so handy! when one has 14,000 names in their data, a printable list would be helpful to have. >> Judy - If you do the book format you will have an index to print of all in that descendancy. Judy Canant

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Judy: You are so much like the rest of us---- I HATE TO READ MANUALS. The fact is I had to finally read it to learn how to print a list of the individuals. To save you doing that here it is: At the top of the screen in FTM click on "View" , the select "Reports"--slide over to "Custom" and click on that, That brings up the list. Now at the top click on "Contents" the chose "Items to Include in Report". Now make your choices, order the names appear, whatever you want the report to include or exclude at click ok. Some of the earlier versions took a little more direct approach but this worked on 6.0 and is about the same on my current 7.5. Harvey Knight HarvJK@aol.com

Please excuse the multiple messages. I need info regarding the Florida & Georgia state line. I know it moved around from time to time over a period of many, many years before it was finally settled. I am researching in Gadsden Co, FL and Decatur Co, FL. It would be helpful to know more about where and when the state line was located. For instance, I know a person could have been born in what we now know as Florida, but at the time of their birth, it was known as Georgia. If anyone has any info on this or can tell me where to find some, I would really appreciate it. Thanks! Liz Gerlits Palm Bay, FL Email: DLizgerlits@aol.com = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Researching in SE: Booth, Chester, Johnson, Jordan, King, Mashburn, Moore, McElvy/McElvey, Phillips, Reeves, Register/Regester, Toole, Yon = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = If you're interested in a cookbook with a genealogy theme "Recipes from Family, Friends & Strangers", please contact me privately at DLizgerlits@aol.com.

I have used FTM since it first came out on the market. Am usually pleased with workings of it all, other than for two items. The first is the inability of one to be able to print out a copy of the index!!! That would be so handy! when one has 14,000 names in their data, a printable list would be helpful to have. I do not like the way their BOOK prints out at all. It wastes paper!!!!!! But ehn I have not really tried to complete a book it total, and then try it. Anyone tried that? As to the Family Trees and charts-remember this, that years ago, one had to make their own family charts!!!!! It was quite a tedious task, and when thought that all was complete and line would be found!! It meant drawing the chart, crawling around on your hands and knees, it it were large! Tho FTM charts are not perfect, they do help. it is tedipous to do all of that cutting and taping, but better than doing it by hand. One can order blank charts and other types of charts that are easier, but one has to hand write all of the names and dates! But they do look nice. I also try to remind myself that today's genealogy research has led to larger databases and larger charts!! Sometimes I think we get "carried away" with how many names we can squeeze in! this also adds to the size. BUT-I have taken the time and the paper to print many of them out. One was so lengthly that it took a wall and a half of an average size room to display it!!!! But I was proud to have it there and to be able to look at everthing at once! And that was just one surname!!! Imagine how many walls one could "wallpaper" with them all!! I am wondering it it would work to break ones line up into two charts, say doing 6 generations on one chart and the next 6 on a second chart. Anyone tried that, yet? Anyway my point being that preprinted, blank charts of several types can be purchased. The cost is usually reasonable. Printing them from FTM would still be cheaper. ( I can never get the colored ones to work for me!! It works on the screen, but not in the printing progess) Judy Mason 2jv@bellsouth.net

Joey: BINGO!! After thinking on this for a few minutes I remembered something. Some years ago I talked to a Joey Mimbs on the telephone down in Florida. Are you this person? Bob PastorJAM@aol.com wrote: > Dear List, > > I am new to the list. Is anyone working on the Browns from > Screven/Emanuel/Bulloch County? I'm looking for Joseph Emanuel Brown, born > around 1820. He was married to Sarah. His children were: > > James H. b. 1844 > William Jasper b. 1846 > Matthew b. 1848 > Caroline b. 1851 > Eleazor b. 1853 > Alfred b. 1855 > Sarah b. 1857 > Laura b. 1860 > > THANKS! > > Joey > > ============================== > Search ALL of RootsWeb's mailing lists in real time. > RootsWeb's Personalized Mailing Lists: > http://pml.rootsweb.com/ -------------------------------- End of GASCREVE-D Digest V00 Issue #187 *************************************** From root@lists6.rootsweb.com Thu Aug 3 11:52:21 2000 Return-Path: <root@lists6.rootsweb.com> Received: from lists6.rootsweb.com (lists6.rootsweb.com [63.92.80.125]) by listsearches.rootsweb.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e73IqLS31625 for <indexer@listsearches.rootsweb.com>; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 11:52:21 -0700 Received: (from root@localhost) by lists6.rootsweb.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) id e73IqKe24322 for indexer@listsearches; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 11:52:20 -0700 Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2000 11:52:20 -0700 Message-Id: <200008031852.e73IqKe24322@lists6.rootsweb.com> From: GASCREVE-D-request@rootsweb.com Subject: GASCREVE-D Digest V00 #187 X-Loop: GASCREVE-D@rootsweb.com X-Mailing-List: <GASCREVE-D@rootsweb.com> archive/volume00/187 Precedence: list MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/digest; boundary="----------------------------" To: GASCREVE-D@rootsweb.com Reply-To: GASCREVE-L@rootsweb.com ------------------------------ Content-Type: text/plain GASCREVE-D Digest Volume 00 : Issue 187 Today's Topics: #1 [GASCREVE] Printing family trees [Cynthia.Wallace@wachovia.com] #2 Re: [GASCREVE] Printing family tre [DalGal@csi.com] #3 Re: [GASCREVE] Printing family tre [Cynthia.Wallace@wachovia.com] #4 Re: [GASCREVE] Printing family tre [DalGal@csi.com] #5 Re: [GASCREVE] Printing family tre [ID472@aol.com] #6 Re: [GASCREVE] Printing family tre [ID472@aol.com] #7 Re: [GASCREVE] Printing family tre [DalGal@csi.com] #8 Re: [GASCREVE] Printing family tre [ID472@aol.com] #9 Re: [GASCREVE] Printing family tre [AslanJ@aol.com] #10 Re: [GASCREVE] Joseph Emanuel Brow [Bob Griner <bgriner@pineland.net>] #11 Re: [GASCREVE] Joseph Emanuel Brow [Bob Griner <bgriner@pineland.net>] Administrivia: To unsubscribe from GASCREVE-D, send a message to GASCREVE-D-request@rootsweb.com that contains in the body of the message the command unsubscribe and no other text. No subject line is necessary, but if your software requires one, just use unsubscribe in the subject, too.

Joey: I have worked on this Brown line a while back. It is my wife's line. James H. Brown and Roxie Boyette were her Great Great Grandparents. I never got the name of Emanuel "Mannie" Brown's parents. Which of his children do you descend from? His son William Jasper Brown was the last surviving Confederate Veteran of Bulloch County. He died March 2, 1949 he was 103 years and 4 days old at the time. He had a name sake in his nephew son of James and Roxie, William Jasper Brown born: March 15, 1869. He was my wife's Great Grandfather. PastorJAM@aol.com wrote: > Dear List, > > I am new to the list. Is anyone working on the Browns from > Screven/Emanuel/Bulloch County? I'm looking for Joseph Emanuel Brown, born > around 1820. He was married to Sarah. His children were: > > James H. b. 1844 > William Jasper b. 1846 > Matthew b. 1848 > Caroline b. 1851 > Eleazor b. 1853 > Alfred b. 1855 > Sarah b. 1857 > Laura b. 1860 > > THANKS! > > Joey > > ============================== > Search ALL of RootsWeb's mailing lists in real time. > RootsWeb's Personalized Mailing Lists: > http://pml.rootsweb.com/

Hi Barb, I have version 6.0. :( But that's good that they added that new feature because it was very frustrating for me. Thanks for the notice. Karen

Cynthia, I just printed one like that out for a family reunion back in June. It was not easy. I was not able to include all the generations. I think a tree including all generations ended up being nearly 100 pages!! I just kept decreasing the number of generations until I ended up with a number of pages that was feasible. I also tried the three different column formats to see which would take up the least number of pages. Also keep in mind when you are looking at the overview that some of the pages might be blank. You might not have to use these pages and can just salvage the paper when the blank page comes out of the printer. One inconvenience I found is that there is a small margin on each page. Therefore, when I taped the pages together, I had to cut the page down so that my lines would match up without a blank space in between. ( I was just being picky. ) I was not very happy with the tree options. There is one instance where the spouse's box would be displayed directly underneath the descendant. Therefore, there would be one long vertical line and it would be hard to tell who was the descendant and who was just a spouse. I had wished I could force it to always print spouses out to the side. Maybe someone else will have some advice for us both, but considering the few options FTM gives you for the chart, you basically just have to play around with it and find the best solution. Good luck! Karen

I am printing a visual tree with boxes and lines. Cynthia DalGal@csi.com on 08/02/2000 10:06:55 AM Please respond to GASCREVE-L@rootsweb.com To: GASCREVE-L@rootsweb.com cc: Subject: Re: [GASCREVE] Printing family trees Cynthia, Are you wanting to print out a visual family tree ( ie - with boxes and lines ) or just an outline of all the people in the tree? Karen ============================== Join the RootsWeb WorldConnect Project: Linking the world, one GEDCOM at a time. http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/

Cynthia, Are you wanting to print out a visual family tree ( ie - with boxes and lines ) or just an outline of all the people in the tree? Karen