So pre-1850 census records, since there were no names other than the head of household? I know! Our searches would be ever so much easier if they had started naming everyone in the household sooner, eh? Too bad about the church records! But even having a first name and not knowing the date is some help! I'd go for that! I don't have a clue about any of the girls' names for my Garrisons until 1850. I haven't gotten any Black Hawk records...My HOlmans fought in the Black Hawk War out of Illinois. Have you looked on the Illinois sites? They really have good records. I'm sure you have! But I'm not sure how much the Black Hawk war records show. Has anyone gotten any of those? Thank you for the explanation about the church records! Marti