HI, Daphne..Please explain about the baptismal records being done on the same date causing there to be no census records....other than so many males and so many females. After 1850 if I find one of my families, I find their names. Or did I misread and you were saying there WERE baptismal records but no census records? No causal action..just the baptismal records. So if all members of one family is baptised on one day, their names aren't each listed? Although one problem I have run into just lately and especially with one of my families...one of the girls changed her name each census! Actually now that I think of it I also had a Martha Ellen who became known as just Ellen and then when she was an adult she changed it to Ella. Since she was my great grandmother and I know a good deal about her and whom she married it was easier to say yep, this is her...but it takes some figuring out sometimes. One of my families had a Susannah McKee in 1850; in 1860 there was a Susan McBride living with the mother of Susannah..same age as Susannah..no husband there but several children..so that wasn't too big a stretch...changing from Susannah to Susan but then there is a marriage of ..and I can't remember the middle name..let's say Artemesia...as it was something odd like that...McBride in the area and in that census Artemesia was the age that Susan would have been and the same number of children except one new one by the new husband...the children were the ages they should have been on a second census..but some of them had the same name and some has another...I am guessing that THEY were then using middle names. There was a LOT of that...some people had 3 or 4 given names and they seemed to switch around. And then there are nicknames..sometimes our Isham Garrison went by Sam. That threw us off on him for awhile. I knew my Buckner had a brother named Isham. And a now known-for-sure cousin's family sure seemed to fit with mine but she said her guy was named Sam. So I thought maybe not ours! Not until we got the CW deposition papers on Isham/Sam's son Samuel (Samuel James Rennix Garrison, I might add...3 given names!) did we know that Sam (Sr) WAS Isham! We cannot find our Edmund, Buckner or Isham in 1840......were they using middle names? And we don't know those. There is a Karsom that we think COULD be Isham...just sloppy handwriting that got translated to Karsom! But not a for sure! I remember talking to you about George Garrison in the past and this problem was pretty perplexing. George was near where my Garrisons were at the time in Barren Co., Ky. So...the CW records give your William Garrison as born in 1830. Are you sure that this is your Wm.? I imagine you are, but I have to ask! Could the William who enlisted POSSIBLY be a son of Wm., son of George? When I went looking for my Wm. Holman in Illinois' CW units there were seven! Hard to sort them, (although I had a break and found which one was mine)! And Wm. is a favorite name for Garrisons. That's my brother's name and my grandfather's name. So....if you are sure that this is your Wm.......when did George die? Have you traced Annie from Ky and if so, where did she and her George go? Do you have any photos of William? I was just thinking sometimes photos show strong family resemblances and someone might recognize him. Well, there has to be a reason that he had the last name of Garrison....For sure Annie's son? Any chance he might be a Garrison nephew? I guess no way of knowing that. Well......on this one too I know everyone will keep lookout for some info. The great thing about this Garrison group is that we are all researching Garrisons and if we share what we learn, there is always the chance one of us will stumble on just the piece of information we need! I know what you mean about not wanting to find out you aren't a Garrison! I have spent so much time learning about the Garrison line that Sam Garrison believes I share...from Lizbeth Hendriksen (Dutch girls kept their maiden names even after marriage) and Gerrit Jansen (Gerrit, son of Jan)......with him that I hate to find out that I am really from another Garrison line! I am still trying to ascertain whether my Paul Garrison (Edmund's father) is for sure the Paul from Sam's line! I told him that if I find he isn't, he has to adopt me!

Marti; Two different episodes. The census record was of males and females born on certain dates with no names attached except for the parents. Those was George and Anne's children. The church record showed for example: John,Hanna, William, Mary, Sue, Jemima, George, and so on, all baptised on the same date with no birthdates attached.One might assume that two folks were the parents and the family had not had church connections before. In both cases the other records were not found at that time. I actually saw the baptismal records on pages we found in the archives in Toronto,Ontario, where many church records were transferred to government records years ago. Some church records were kept or copied but not all. At one time the Methodist church was not allowed to do the sacraments. Perhaps other denominations were also under that rule. Then, when they were allowed, there was a rush to catch up?? They weren't my family but could have been kin to my husband. They could have been connected back before 1800 but didn't seem to match the families that we knew came from Ireland a few at a time from 1815 to 1823. The Ontario lines have changed the spelling in some cases but not in others. One Richey was widowed and married again. Second wife, being a strong Scots, said the children she bore had to be of the surname Ritchie. So the family was half and half. Yes, we have our William's records from the Civil war. He volunteered in Illinois. Some of his children were born before the war, my grandfather was born in 1862, and two more children were born following the war. William's birthplace was Hart County, KY, according to his Civil war records. That is as close as we have to proof. There were no census records available for that time period when I was in Hart County a few years ago. Various old records were turning up occasionally but so far I haven't heard of those showing. Jesse Laird was there about 1832 and shows up having charge of a road project, if I remember correctly. I know he moved to Wayne County, Illinois and died and was buried at Enterprise in the Laird Cemetery. We have been told that Anne Laird's parents raised William but have no record of Anne's death. There were two Georges married to Anne Lairds in Barren Co (part of which became part of Hart Co. Perhaps one was a church record and one a civil record. Perhaps there were two of each person. Two George Garrisons died about 1828 and about 1929. That could have been one and the same. The only other clue I haven't followed up on was that Jesse Laird fought in the BlackHawk War in IL. That ended in 1832,I think. I suspect that George, husband of our Anne Laird, was in that war also, but have absolutely no proof. That might explain the two different dates of death if he was first reported missing and then reported dead. Well, folks, that is about as long-winded as anyone can manage. I hope I haven't made it more confusing. Daphne P.S. and Joe is my 4th cousin no matter what. ;o)