In a message dated 10/16/04 8:15:39 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: << Of course, Daphne reminded me that the Garrisons can talk with the best of them, so maybe I have the Garrison jaw in more ways than one. >> Ah, yes, Jane! Sounds like my Garrisons, too..."talk with the best of them!" LOL..and I do have a square jaw....but I dont' think all my Garrisons do! I have some photos of Buckner's boys.....if there is some place to post Garrison photos. And actually we have some of descendants of my Isham and Abner...Buckner's brothers...as well. Marti

Hi Daphne and others, I am enjoying this discussion. Wouldn't it be great if we could solve the puzzle of the paternity of our William Garrison in our lifetimes? As I have told Daphne, my dad says I have a Garrison jaw, meaning a very square jaw. Do any of you have that feature in your ancestry? Of course, Daphne reminded me that the Garrisons can talk with the best of them, so maybe I have the Garrison jaw in more ways than one. Jane Pittman McIrvin

Hello everyone! I just got into this by reading all the e-mail and am wondering what is it about. The subject line keeps referring to John Garrison Martha Loftis. My wife is a decendant of this couple, that is why my interest. I thought all the tracks had been covered for them back to about 1600 era. I will have to dig my research papers out to make sure. ( that may be harder then most of you think around this house. ) Please explain what is going on about the question of John Westley Garrison and Martha Loftia's marriage and background before I put my foot in my mouth. Thanks, Norm Spence ----- Original Message ----- From: "jane McIrvin" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, October 16, 2004 8:14 AM Subject: Re: [GARRISON] Re: John Garrison Martha Loftis Garrison > Hi Daphne and others, > > I am enjoying this discussion. Wouldn't it be great if we could solve the > puzzle of the paternity of our William Garrison in our lifetimes? > > As I have told Daphne, my dad says I have a Garrison jaw, meaning a very > square jaw. Do any of you have that feature in your ancestry? Of course, > Daphne reminded me that the Garrisons can talk with the best of them, so > maybe I have the Garrison jaw in more ways than one. > > Jane Pittman McIrvin > > > > ==== GARRISON Mailing List ==== > GARRISON/GARRETSON MOST WANTED WEB PAGE > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~gynon/garrison.html > >

Hi Sherrie I thought you were the one I am still working on the update looks like we will have everything in in the spring and they will be sent to printers Going to be two books Did you get all your stuff sent to me I have a pile I am still working on Rena

Rena, I am the person that contacted you about the Moses line (from the Ozark, MO family reunion.) for the Garrison Book Updates... Sherrie Plummer Stafford

Thank you Sherrie for the info you sent Best Rena

Several of the Garrison's on the eastern side of Missouri are from Moses Garrison line, the brother of your Isaac Garrsion (the Revolutionary Soldier) and from Moses and Isaac's uncle beverly (bavil) garrison. Moses' son Azariah and his son, William Levi and his family are in the southern area. Azariah was last living in Wayne County, MO and his wife and son are Buried in Wayne Co. MO and most of William Levi "Levi" brothers and sisters are in this area too. Also from southeastern mo is Moses' son Samuel Sr's son, Samuel jr's family. And Beverly's son Isaac's (2nd Lt) son, Capt Oliver's son, Daniell Randall's family is from the St Louis area. and is very well known Issac's son, Capt Oliver Garrison married a Kingsland. And Daniel married a Noyes...Daniel and Anna Coats Noyes Garrison are buried in Bellfontaine,MO Sherrie Plummer Stafford

Do you have info on which lines (& specifically "who") married which Pitman line ? I have Garrisons, Dunhams, AND Pitmans. I've been searching for a Samuel Garrison who married a Dunham for YEARS. I still have no info on his parents or siblings. Any help would be greatly welcomed. Thanks - Jan ----- Original Message ----- From: "D.Richey" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, October 15, 2004 11:35 AM Subject: RE: [GARRISON] Re: John Garrison Martha Loftis Garrison > Marti ( and Joey and Irene) (Hi to Jane also); > There's another thing that happens, especially in Church records. Sometimes > an entire family is baptised on the same date, and no census records are > available. Then I have George and Anne (Laird)Garrison's children as so many > male and so many female children and their birth years. > > Our William was born to Anne (Laird) Garrison but not necessarily with > George as the father. William's Civil war records show him as being born in > 1830, which is too long after the records of 2 George Garrisons having died. > Going back to 1807 or so there are at least two records of George marrying > Anne (Ann or Amy) Laird(Lard or Lord). My grandparents pronounced it as Lard > and spelled it as Laird. One conclusion is that William lied about his age > as he may have been too old to enlist. Not too likely. So we come back to > the family story that William was illegitimate. Was Anne Laird a later > generation than the Anne who married George Garrison? If so why was William > given the surname Garrison? We do know that he was raised by the Laird > Grandparents and Uncle Jesse Laird. Lots of records have been burned and > lots of cemeteries have been over grown and one gets to where one has to say > "Does it really matter any more?" But then one has to say, "It's a lot of > fun looking and digging." > > DNA matching might provide some answers, but what if it proves we are > descended from the Lairds but not the Garrisons and whichever line was the > father at that point just plain disappeared. Would we have to say we are not > cousins to all you Garrisons? Now that wouldn't be any fun at all. ;o) > > William married a Duke; one of their sons married a Pittman and from there > on we have some double cousins. Life is still very interesting, isn't it? > Gotta go and get to real work. > Daphne > > P.S. > Looking back at another David(son of James)[Joe Garrison's ancestor] who > married Elizabeth Taylor - - -They had several sons and several daughters. > D. > > ______________________________

So pre-1850 census records, since there were no names other than the head of household? I know! Our searches would be ever so much easier if they had started naming everyone in the household sooner, eh? Too bad about the church records! But even having a first name and not knowing the date is some help! I'd go for that! I don't have a clue about any of the girls' names for my Garrisons until 1850. I haven't gotten any Black Hawk records...My HOlmans fought in the Black Hawk War out of Illinois. Have you looked on the Illinois sites? They really have good records. I'm sure you have! But I'm not sure how much the Black Hawk war records show. Has anyone gotten any of those? Thank you for the explanation about the church records! Marti

Marti; Two different episodes. The census record was of males and females born on certain dates with no names attached except for the parents. Those was George and Anne's children. The church record showed for example: John,Hanna, William, Mary, Sue, Jemima, George, and so on, all baptised on the same date with no birthdates attached.One might assume that two folks were the parents and the family had not had church connections before. In both cases the other records were not found at that time. I actually saw the baptismal records on pages we found in the archives in Toronto,Ontario, where many church records were transferred to government records years ago. Some church records were kept or copied but not all. At one time the Methodist church was not allowed to do the sacraments. Perhaps other denominations were also under that rule. Then, when they were allowed, there was a rush to catch up?? They weren't my family but could have been kin to my husband. They could have been connected back before 1800 but didn't seem to match the families that we knew came from Ireland a few at a time from 1815 to 1823. The Ontario lines have changed the spelling in some cases but not in others. One Richey was widowed and married again. Second wife, being a strong Scots, said the children she bore had to be of the surname Ritchie. So the family was half and half. Yes, we have our William's records from the Civil war. He volunteered in Illinois. Some of his children were born before the war, my grandfather was born in 1862, and two more children were born following the war. William's birthplace was Hart County, KY, according to his Civil war records. That is as close as we have to proof. There were no census records available for that time period when I was in Hart County a few years ago. Various old records were turning up occasionally but so far I haven't heard of those showing. Jesse Laird was there about 1832 and shows up having charge of a road project, if I remember correctly. I know he moved to Wayne County, Illinois and died and was buried at Enterprise in the Laird Cemetery. We have been told that Anne Laird's parents raised William but have no record of Anne's death. There were two Georges married to Anne Lairds in Barren Co (part of which became part of Hart Co. Perhaps one was a church record and one a civil record. Perhaps there were two of each person. Two George Garrisons died about 1828 and about 1929. That could have been one and the same. The only other clue I haven't followed up on was that Jesse Laird fought in the BlackHawk War in IL. That ended in 1832,I think. I suspect that George, husband of our Anne Laird, was in that war also, but have absolutely no proof. That might explain the two different dates of death if he was first reported missing and then reported dead. Well, folks, that is about as long-winded as anyone can manage. I hope I haven't made it more confusing. Daphne P.S. and Joe is my 4th cousin no matter what. ;o)

Mary Ann..I think that these are just two different David Garrisons. The David who married Sarah Bourne did not move to Missouri. If needbe I have the census info for him and it will be a few days but I will dig it up if anyone wants it. Marti

HI, Daphne..Please explain about the baptismal records being done on the same date causing there to be no census records....other than so many males and so many females. After 1850 if I find one of my families, I find their names. Or did I misread and you were saying there WERE baptismal records but no census records? No causal action..just the baptismal records. So if all members of one family is baptised on one day, their names aren't each listed? Although one problem I have run into just lately and especially with one of my families...one of the girls changed her name each census! Actually now that I think of it I also had a Martha Ellen who became known as just Ellen and then when she was an adult she changed it to Ella. Since she was my great grandmother and I know a good deal about her and whom she married it was easier to say yep, this is her...but it takes some figuring out sometimes. One of my families had a Susannah McKee in 1850; in 1860 there was a Susan McBride living with the mother of Susannah..same age as Susannah..no husband there but several children..so that wasn't too big a stretch...changing from Susannah to Susan but then there is a marriage of ..and I can't remember the middle name..let's say Artemesia...as it was something odd like that...McBride in the area and in that census Artemesia was the age that Susan would have been and the same number of children except one new one by the new husband...the children were the ages they should have been on a second census..but some of them had the same name and some has another...I am guessing that THEY were then using middle names. There was a LOT of that...some people had 3 or 4 given names and they seemed to switch around. And then there are nicknames..sometimes our Isham Garrison went by Sam. That threw us off on him for awhile. I knew my Buckner had a brother named Isham. And a now known-for-sure cousin's family sure seemed to fit with mine but she said her guy was named Sam. So I thought maybe not ours! Not until we got the CW deposition papers on Isham/Sam's son Samuel (Samuel James Rennix Garrison, I might add...3 given names!) did we know that Sam (Sr) WAS Isham! We cannot find our Edmund, Buckner or Isham in 1840......were they using middle names? And we don't know those. There is a Karsom that we think COULD be Isham...just sloppy handwriting that got translated to Karsom! But not a for sure! I remember talking to you about George Garrison in the past and this problem was pretty perplexing. George was near where my Garrisons were at the time in Barren Co., Ky. So...the CW records give your William Garrison as born in 1830. Are you sure that this is your Wm.? I imagine you are, but I have to ask! Could the William who enlisted POSSIBLY be a son of Wm., son of George? When I went looking for my Wm. Holman in Illinois' CW units there were seven! Hard to sort them, (although I had a break and found which one was mine)! And Wm. is a favorite name for Garrisons. That's my brother's name and my grandfather's name. So....if you are sure that this is your Wm.......when did George die? Have you traced Annie from Ky and if so, where did she and her George go? Do you have any photos of William? I was just thinking sometimes photos show strong family resemblances and someone might recognize him. Well, there has to be a reason that he had the last name of Garrison....For sure Annie's son? Any chance he might be a Garrison nephew? I guess no way of knowing that. Well......on this one too I know everyone will keep lookout for some info. The great thing about this Garrison group is that we are all researching Garrisons and if we share what we learn, there is always the chance one of us will stumble on just the piece of information we need! I know what you mean about not wanting to find out you aren't a Garrison! I have spent so much time learning about the Garrison line that Sam Garrison believes I share...from Lizbeth Hendriksen (Dutch girls kept their maiden names even after marriage) and Gerrit Jansen (Gerrit, son of Jan)......with him that I hate to find out that I am really from another Garrison line! I am still trying to ascertain whether my Paul Garrison (Edmund's father) is for sure the Paul from Sam's line! I told him that if I find he isn't, he has to adopt me!

Hi Everyone On this David controversy that seems to be going on Issac Garrison 1732 the Rev War Soldier that is buried in Redwood Cem in Greene Co MO had David Garrison 1784 David marr Sarah ? Have never found her last name period David had three boys by her and named them after his brothers Joseph Delaney Garrison, William Abner Garrison, and John W Then he marr a second time to Louisa and had C, Jackson, Levi, Minerva, Vinny and Calvin I have noticed on line there are several files that have been uploaded with a Sally Bourne on it I have never been able to prove that or had any info that this was the case all I know is that this Sally Bourne and David Garrison had a girl named Elizabeth in Grayson Co VA the Three boys to first wife were born in TN and OH and the second family born in Ark and then MO where David settled If I may be of any help please contact or if you have any information to add We are in the process of redoing the Issac garrison Rev War Soldier family history book at this time I am off The son of Joseph above and his son John Wesley and Joseph brother John W and his daughter Mary Ann Garrison Mary Ann and John Wesley were first cousins and were my 3rd grandparentsI have copies of pictures of all three boys above when they were up in years Joseph, Abner the preacher and John They hung on my grgrandparents wall for years well as long as I could remember. Best Rena Colorado If anyone can tell me who below this belongs to They were in the Patriot newspaper in MO This was in Douglas Co in Arno Struck by Lightning Arno, MO., July 17, 1874 Editors Patriot: There was quite a serious accident happened on Dry Creek, east of Bryant's Fork, in this county last sunday. An old man by the name of Eubanks and his grand-daughter, wife of James garrison, a resident of this county, were struck by lightning and killed instantly. They were standing near a door of the residence of Mr. Garrison when the lightning struck the house and ran down the door. Several other parties were in an adjoining room, but were not injured. I would suppose lightning rod peddlars could do well in that locality. (By Rena I thought myself this was a very crude joke myself to put in the newspaper with this article)

send here joey fleetwood p.o. box 1534 ava mo 65608 ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, October 15, 2004 3:54 PM Subject: Re: [GARRISON] Re: John Garrison Martha Loftis Garrison > Mary Ann..I think that these are just two different David Garrisons. The > David who married Sarah Bourne did not move to Missouri. If needbe I have > the > census info for him and it will be a few days but I will dig it up if > anyone wants > it. > Marti > > > ==== GARRISON Mailing List ==== > GARRISON/GARRETSON MOST WANTED WEB PAGE > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~gynon/garrison.html > >

Marti ( and Joey and Irene) (Hi to Jane also); There's another thing that happens, especially in Church records. Sometimes an entire family is baptised on the same date, and no census records are available. Then I have George and Anne (Laird)Garrison's children as so many male and so many female children and their birth years. Our William was born to Anne (Laird) Garrison but not necessarily with George as the father. William's Civil war records show him as being born in 1830, which is too long after the records of 2 George Garrisons having died. Going back to 1807 or so there are at least two records of George marrying Anne (Ann or Amy) Laird(Lard or Lord). My grandparents pronounced it as Lard and spelled it as Laird. One conclusion is that William lied about his age as he may have been too old to enlist. Not too likely. So we come back to the family story that William was illegitimate. Was Anne Laird a later generation than the Anne who married George Garrison? If so why was William given the surname Garrison? We do know that he was raised by the Laird Grandparents and Uncle Jesse Laird. Lots of records have been burned and lots of cemeteries have been over grown and one gets to where one has to say "Does it really matter any more?" But then one has to say, "It's a lot of fun looking and digging." DNA matching might provide some answers, but what if it proves we are descended from the Lairds but not the Garrisons and whichever line was the father at that point just plain disappeared. Would we have to say we are not cousins to all you Garrisons? Now that wouldn't be any fun at all. ;o) William married a Duke; one of their sons married a Pittman and from there on we have some double cousins. Life is still very interesting, isn't it? Gotta go and get to real work. Daphne P.S. Looking back at another David(son of James)[Joe Garrison's ancestor] who married Elizabeth Taylor - - -They had several sons and several daughters. D.

Hi, Daphne..good points! And I am not saying that Irene's John's father was not A David! It could well be, since we can't find who the father was. I am just saying that it wasn't the DAvid Garrison who married Sarah Bourne. It's true that there are out of synch things in census taking all the time...and we did go through David and Sarah's very carefully and although as I recall there may have been some ages a year or two off as we usually find..and there were some people in the household from time to time we had to examine as to ages......but in the end, David and Sarah only had a daughter. I was just trying to help Irene. It also seems to if my memory is correct that this David stayed in the same place all his life. It would surely save time to look at other DAvids, if that is the name the family believes is right. One of my cousins is a cousin of Joey and IRene which is why we examined this family. So far she has not found the father. But we'll all keep our eyes out and he is bound to turn up! Thanks for your thoughts! Marti

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Garrison Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/mEY.2ACEB/2035 Message Board Post: I need help any info on Edgar M Garrison dob 1894 dod 1971 died in Manassas VA was married to Olive Bell Beach thanks

I remember you well, Joey. Show me sons for DAvid and Sarah in their census information. Marti

Joey and Marti; Think of other possibilities: 1)There were other Davids. 2)Any chance that one of them moved in the same paths as your David?? 3)He might have been counted by a slap happy census-taker. 4)Somebody who was reading census records might have filled in the cracks. 5)Some families have moved between census takers and been lost for all time. Lots of other possibles. Keep smiling anyway. Daphne - From: joey census are full of lies * * * >I remember you well, Joey. Show me sons for DAvid and Sarah in their census > information. > Marti >

HI, Irene...I have a friend and cousin who is a cousin of yours through John. She and I spent hours a couple of months ago hunting information on David Garrison and Sarah Bourne..following all of their census information. David and Sarah had no sons. She said to give you the following information and while I can't remember without checking where Sarah was born, I do know that they did indeed have only one daughter. There was also a little boy in their household at one point who was blind and David was made guardian. I found documentation on that. He was not a Garrison. There were several other people in the household from time to time but there was never anyone who would be their son and they did have only the one daugher. This is what your cousin said to tell you: Sarah Bourne b. 1802, Grayson Co., VA; d. bet. 1850-1860 was married to David Garrison b. 1 Feb 1797, Grayson Co., VA; d. 25 Dec. 1887, Greyson Co., VA, s/o Isaac Garrison, Jr., s/o Isaac Garrison...Sarah Bourne and her husband, David Garrison only had one child, a daughter...Irene can go to the Greyson Co., VA website and document this herself. We have not found parents for John...for all I know he COULD be connected with my Garrisons..BUT I hasten to say that we have no evidence of that! It is just that we do not have names of any of my Edmund Garrison, son of Paul's, siblings. Perhaps Caleb, Shadrach, Benjamin....but only possibilities. So......there are some others somewhere...as in 1787 Paul had a whole passel of young folks in his household..and as I recall 4 sons in the 1790 Pendleton Co. count..and I suspect that there are a lot of other Garrisons who also have unknowns! But we'll keep at it and eventually maybe get everyone figured out, eh? Marti