This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/FEY.2ACEB/174.2.1.1.1.1.3.1 Message Board Post: Hi Dianne, Thanks for all the information. I will try to get in touch with Dewitt, I met him years ago at his mother's house. Ethel was one of the sweetest persons around, and what a cook! I recall going to her house, and her brother Joe still lived with her. Funny guy, but feisty as all get-out. My kids are the great-grandchildren of Ethel's older sister, Blanche Marie (Shaw) Hannah, who was born in Flat Rock but lived a good portion of her life in Chattanooga. I am sure you either knew or knew of their sisters, Bessie Minor and Christie Cora Lee Welden, plus Harvey (Buck) Shaw, their brother. Ethel's parents, John Henry and Florence (Lynn) Shaw, are buried near the Garrards, next to Edna Garrard if this chart I have is correct. Two more Garrard questions for you: Is Peter M. Garrard a brother to George A. Garrard, and who are John Allen Garrard and Mary Ann Oyler Garrard (parents of George and Peter, perhaps?) Thanks for all of your help. Bob

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/FEY.2ACEB/174.2.1.1.1.1.3 Message Board Post: Bob, I just talked to my husband and told him about you and he said to tell you not to call Kenneth because he wouldn't know anything to help you anyway. He said that you need to talk to Dewitt Welden because he's Ethel's son and that he could probably tell you all that you want to know. Dewitt is listed in the phone book under Flat Rock. Sorry about giving you the wrong person to contact but there are two Ethel Weldon's and I didn't really know the one that you have but she was my Mother-in-laws first or second cousin. Call Dewitt.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/FEY.2ACEB/174.2.1.1.1.1.2 Message Board Post: Bob, I ran out of room before I finished. I don't have anything beyond Rosa Bell but she was born March 6, 1902 at Telico Plains, TN. and she died July 16, 1976. Peter was born July 17, 1896 and died April 12, 1965. I knew when Ethel died. I can't say for sure but if you will call Kenneth Shaw he might can help you with some of those names. He is listed in the phone book under the Henegar-Ider exchange and he is the son of Ray Shaw. He's hard of hearing but if you talk as loud as my husband does he can hear you and I'm sure he will help you if he can. Kenneth is a fantastic person and you just don't find many people as good as he is. Hope this helps, good luck.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/FEY.2ACEB/174.2.1.1.1.1.1 Message Board Post: Hi Bob, Nellie was married to John Edward Garrard and he is buried the left side of her if you are standing at the foot of the grave and on the left of him is their oldest daughter Irene. Irene was an O'Dell when she died and would kick the dirt off her grave if she knew that her kid's put her first husbands last name on her marker. Vestie never married and she may not have had a marker when you were there. My husband had a flat marker made for her last year. She is buried and the lower end where there is only one big tree. Her parents are buried there too but they don't have any markers. My husband said that he may buy one for them too because Charlie never will.

All: This really is worth reading. Sandi A Tale of 6 Boys... Something we always overlook ... freedom has a price. Subject: A Tale of 6 Boys Each year I am hired to go to Washington, DC, with the eighth grade class from Clinton, WI. where I grew up, to videotape their trip. I greatly enjoy visiting our nation's capitol, and each year I take some special memories back with me. This fall's trip was especially memorable. On the last night of our trip, we stopped at the Iwo Jima memorial. This memorial is the largest bronze statue in the world and depicts one of the most famous photographs in history -- that of the six brave soldiers raising the American Flag at the top of a rocky hill on the island of Iwo Jima, Japan, during WW II. Over one hundred students and chaperones piled off the buses and headed towards the memorial. I noticed a solitary figure at the base of the statue, and as I got closer he asked, "Where are you guys from?" I told him that we were from Wisconsin. "Hey, I'm a cheese head, too! Come gather around, Cheese heads, and I will tell you a story." (James Bradley just happened to be in Washington, DC, to speak at the memorial the following day. He was there that night to say good night to his dad, who has since passed away. He was just about to leave when he saw the buses pull up. I videotaped him as he spoke to us, and received his permission to share what he said from my videotape.) When all had gathered around, he reverently began to speak. (Here are his words that night.) "My name is James Bradley and I'm from Antigo, Wisconsin. My dad is on that statue, and I just wrote a book called "Flags of Our Fathers" which is #5 on the New York Times Best Seller list right now. It is the story of the six boys you see behind me. "Six boys raised the flag. The first guy putting the pole in the ground is Harlon Block. Harlon was an all-state football player. He enlisted in the Marine Corps with all the senior members of his football team. They were off to play another type of game. A game called "War." But it didn't turn out to be a game. Harlon, at the age of 21, died with his intestines in his hands. I don't say that to gross you out, I say that because there are generals who stand in front of this statue and talk about the glory of war. You guys need to know that most of the boys in Iwo Jima were 17, 18, and 19 years old. (He pointed to the statue) "You see this next guy? That's Rene Gagnon from New Hampshire. If you took Rene's helmet off at the moment this photo was taken and looked in the webbing of that helmet, you would find a photograph ... a photograph of his girlfriend. Rene put that in there for protection because he was scared. He was 18 years old. Boys won the battle of Iwo Jima. Boys. Not old men. "The next guy here, the third guy in this tableau, was Sergeant Mike Strank. Mike is my hero. He was the hero of all these guys. They called him the "old man" because he was so old. He was already 24. When Mike would motivate his boys in training camp, he didn't say, 'Let's go kill some Japanese' or 'Let's die for our country.' He knew he was talking to little boys. Instead he would say, 'You do what I say, and I'll get you home to your mothers.' "The last guy on this side of the statue is Ira Hayes, a Pima Indian from Arizona. Ira Hayes walked off Iwo Jima. He went into the White House with my dad. President Truman told him, 'You're a hero.' He told reporters, 'How can I feel like a hero when 250 of my buddies hit the island with me and only 27 of us walked off alive?' So you take your class at school, 250 of you spending a year together having fun, doing everything together. Then all 250 of you hit the beach, but only 27 of your classmates walk off alive. That was Ira Hayes. He had images of horror in his mind. Ira Hayes died dead drunk, face down at the age of 32... ten years after this picture was taken. "The next guy, going around the statue, is Franklin Sousley from Hilltop, Kentucky. A fun-lovin' hillbilly boy. His best friend, who is now 70, told me, 'Yeah, you know, we took two cows up on the porch of the Hilltop General Store. Then we strung wire across the stairs so the cows couldn't get down. Then we fed them Epsom salts. Those cows crapped all night.' Yes, he was a fun-lovin' hillbilly boy. Franklin died on Iwo Jima at the age of 19. When the telegram came to tell his mother that he was dead, it went to the Hilltop General Store. A barefoot boy ran that telegram up to his mother's farm. The neighbors could hear her scream all night and into the morning.. The neighbors lived a quarter of a mile away. "The next guy, as we continue to go around the statue, is my dad, John Bradley from Antigo, Wisconsin, where I was raised. My dad lived until 1994, but he would never give interviews. When Walter Cronkite's producers, or the New York Times would call, we were trained as little kids to say, 'No, I'm sorry, sir, my dad's not here. He is in Canada fishing. No, there is no phone there, sir. No, we don't know when he is coming back.' My dad never fished or even went to Canada. Usually, he was sitting there right at the table eating his Campbell's soup. But we had to tell the press that he was out fishing. He didn't want to talk to the press. "You see, my dad didn't see himself as a hero. Everyone thinks these guys are heroes, 'cause they are in a photo and a monument. My dad knew better. He was a medic. John Bradley from Wisconsin was a caregiver. In Iwo Jima he probably held over 200 boys as they died. And when boys died in Iwo Jima, they writhed and screamed in pain. "When I was a little boy, my third grade teacher told me that my dad was a hero. When I went home and told my dad that, he looked at me and said, 'I want you always to remember that the heroes of Iwo Jima are the guys who did not come back. Did NOT come back.' "So that's the story about six nice young boys. Three died on Iwo Jima, and three came back as national heroes. Overall, 7,000 boys died on Iwo Jima in the worst battle in the history of the Marine Corps. My voice is giving out, so I will end here. Thank you for your time." Suddenly, the monument wasn't just a big old piece of metal with a flag sticking out of the top. It came to life before our eyes with the heartfelt words of a son who did indeed have a father who was a hero. Maybe not a hero for the reasons most people would believe, but a hero nonetheless. We need to remember that God created this vast and glorious world for us to live in, freely, but also at great sacrifice. Let us never forget from the Revolutionary War to the Gulf War and all the wars in-between that sacrifice was made for our freedom. Remember to pray praises for this great country of ours and also pray for those still in murderous unrest around the world. STOP and thank God for being alive and being free at someone else's sacrifice. God Bless. REMINDER: Everyday that you can wake up free, it's going to be a great day.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Shaw, Garrard Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/FEY.2ACEB/174.2.1.1.1.1 Message Board Post: Hi Dianne, Thanks for the info. Was Nellie married to John S. Garrard? Was Vestie married? I have a listing for the graves at Kennemer Baptist Cemetery and have been there, but don't recall seeing a Vestie. Was she married? Buried next to Nellie S. Garrard is Jennie Pickett Tripp, who was a Shaw by birth. She was a daughter to Christopher Columbus Shaw (who was an older brother of Peter S. Shaw and an uncle of Peter Selver Shaw). I have the mother of Rosabell Lynn Shaw listed as Rebecca H. Lynn, who was the daughter of William Harb Linn and Rebecca Kirkland Linn of Monroe Co., Tenn. Can you tell me when Rosabell died? I do not have a father listed for her, either, and I have her estimated date of birth around 1902. I have been to Flat Rock, having visited Ethel Shaw Welden, a great-great aunt to my kids. Her husband was George Welden; Ethel died this past January. Any help you can provide would be great. I will try to answer any questions you have for me, too. Bob

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Garrard-Shaw Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/FEY.2ACEB/174.2.1.1.1 Message Board Post: No, she's the daughter of Peter Selver Shaw and Rosie Bell Lynn Shaw. She has a brother Charlie Shaw, still living at Flat Rock. She also had one sister, Vestie Shaw. Vestie and Nellie are both buried in the Kenimer Cemetery. Charlie is the only one left living. They have other relatives living in this area though. My husband and I live in Rosalie and most of the Shaw relatives are around Flat Rock. I don't know if I have any information that will help you but I'll do all that I can. Keep in touch and we'll see what we come up with. Dianne

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Shaw, Garrard Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/FEY.2ACEB/174.2.1.1 Message Board Post: Hi Dianne, Is Nellie Shaw the daughter of Bass Shaw and Ludy Jane Lynn Shaw? I would love to trade information with you. Bob

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/FEY.2ACEB/174.2.1 Message Board Post: My husband's Mother was Nellie Shaw and they are from Flatrock. My husband was born at Flatrock and lived there all his life. If you are looking for Shaw's from Flatrock it's the same family.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Garrard, Shaw Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/FEY.2ACEB/174.2 Message Board Post: Hi, I see you also have Shaw listed among the names you are researching. Can you tell me how your Garrards are related to the Shaws? I have Shaws from Flat Rock, Ala., and recently discovered there might be a connection. Bob

Hi Cousins: I'm sad to report that test results from the fluid around Len's left lung show cancer cells. The Oncologist said it's in the lining of the lung and in a very early stage so it isn't life-threatening just now. We are still in shock but The Lord is giving us the strength we need to get through this. Looks like Len might come home Friday and we'll go see Dr. Black who is affiliated with UCLA, whose office is several blocks away from the hospital in Valencia. Came home and gave the part of the deck I painted yesterday a second coat. Gotta keep busy! I'll have the deck floor finished by Thursday evening. Don't feel like you've got to come up with something to say to try to make me feel better. There isn't anything you can say that will take this away so just pray, please. Love, Cousin Sandi

Cousins: For those of you who still aren't on our Garrard@smartgroups.com I am most sorry to report the death of my first cousin, Dewayne Beaver "Ozzie" Osborne. I was at the hospital with my husband when my mother called. Our daughter answered the phone. Dewayne lived in Tyler, Texas. He was born in Verden,Grady County, Oklahoma on 18 March 1931. He is the first of my first cousins to leave us. Dewayne's family line is: William Garrard~Mary Naughty James Garrard~Elizabeth Mountjoy Daniel Garrard~Lucinda Jane Toulmin Margaret Toulmin Garrard~Sidney M. Williams Mary Jane Williams~John D. Maupin Mary Daniel Maupin~James Albert Fitzpatrick, Sr. Alice Frances Fitzpatrick~Jonathan Richard Osborne Randolph Fitzpatrick Osborne~Eunice Hester Rowe Sandi

Dear Richard, you are going to have to do some tracing back in your English line to pre 1740 and maybe earlier to link to our Garrard's. Most of are lines were in the states buy 1750 and the solid proof to what Garrard line of England we are from has yet to be proven. Cuz Terry

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/4300/FEY.2ACEB/49.115.116.118.136 Message Board Post: HI I HAVE A PIERRE GERRARD MARRIED TO A JUDITH FRUSCHARD. DO YOU HAVE ANY INFO ON THEM? THANK YOU

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/FEY.2ACEB/166.3 Message Board Post: My g-g-grandfather was William Garrard, from Ipswich area of Suffolk. Born c.1837. Married Jane or Jeannie. He had a shoemaking business. There were 8 children: Jeannie b.1861 Edith Jane b.1862 William Jabez b.1863 Sarah Alice b.1864 Herbert William b.1866 Frank Earnest Edward b.1869 Earnest Christian b.1872 (died in Boer War) Marguerite Ethel b.1874 - my great grandmother - married James Southgate 1898 Regards, Richard

In a message dated 8/16/03 2:24:45 PM, SandKatC@aol.com writes: << Lets hear the colorful past of Daniel, since I'm in his line. Cuz Sandi Carter Frazier Park, California << The other thing that has stumped me is of the Governor's 9 children that married, 65% of the online researchers are from son Daniel with the blackest past. LOL Terry Lee Garrard, Sr. >> Cinti. >> Ter: Are we going to hear anything about Daniel Garrard? Huh? Cuz Sandi

In a message dated 9/9/03 10:24:33 PM, TalkingTer@aol.com writes: << At least the black quarterback form East Carolina College the is a back-up qb in the NFL has the hard G part right. He thinks it's (G'air-ard) LOL I will bet he is from one of the slaves at one time owned by one of our lines. Cuz Ter, in Cinti. >> Ter: There are some black people with the Maupin surname who must have descended from the slaves my old family members owned. I've read that they would pick the surname of the masters who treated them well. Some of my Maupins have contacted the black Maupins by mistake and they tell them they are looking for the white folks they aren't related to. I've read accounts about how well various branches of my family treated their blacks. The thoughts of "owning" another human nauseates me to the max! Cuz Sandi Frazier Park, California

Dear Family don't feel bad about not pronouning the name of Garrard, (Ger-ard), and not the proper way of (G'air-rid). All the Garrard's Cincinnati, Oh. - Covington Ky know how the name was pronouned, but my uncle Jim in Clovis, Ca, and my 2nd cousin Terry in Fl. both gave into pressure of people saying the name wrong so they went with the flow of not correct people that say it wrong. At least the black quarterback form East Carolina College the is a back-up qb in the NFL has the hard G part right. He thinks it's (G'air-ard) LOL I will bet he is from one of the slaves at one time owned by one of our lines. Cuz Ter, in Cinti.

In a message dated 9/6/03 9:35:13, stropes@frsb.net writes: << Although I have heard my grandma say "Garrid", or something close to that. It is so hard to get out of the habits you have formed for 30+ years! But I'm trying! Cousin Shelly >> Shelly: One of my old ones gave the pronunciation on her genealogy papers she did only so she could join the DAR. I never paid much attention to it since I'd never heard anyone say the name. By the time I got a copy of this family genealogy all my old ones were gone. My grandma said her granddaddys had very strange accents. One was from Ireland and the other was John Maupin from Clay County, Kentucky. Sandi

In a message dated 9/6/03 4:54:42, gedavies@direcway.com writes: << Anyway, Cousin Kay Withers graciously straightened me out, and I thank her for it, but since she did I've had arguments over the years as to how it's pronounced. I've conditioned myself to say it properly though. >> Gregg: I'm working at it. Harold is the first family with the Garrard surname that I've ever spoken to so naturally, as with you and many others, we would pronounce the name the English way. Sandi