I had to go to my main source for this. I knew nothing until this one was born when I was 23 and she has been my boss ever since. Well, actually I had others and they are all bossy but she knows the most as far history goes. I meant the "firblogs" who the people invading Ireland saw and dubbed "Leprechauns. She says she and I are not descended from the firblogs, but from the Melanesians. I kind of wanted a grandpa firblog in my line but you can't choose your ancestors. If you ask me, there are too darn many Gardners and if people had been forced to live alphabetically, as I would have suggested if I'd been around when people started getting surnames, there would never have been this confusion. My G-G-Grandmother was a Martin. Too many of them, too. Have I got ONE name in my ancestry that isn't a dime a dozen? How about Habmeyer? I've got that. Maybe they are a rare bird. Marilynn ----- Original Message ----- From: "Darrell Martin" <darrellm@sprynet.com> To: <GARDNER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, January 20, 2003 5:50 PM Subject: [GARDNER] New England Gardners, Picts, and Scots > -------Original Message------- > From: Marilynn Masten <GardnerRus@carolina.rr.com> > Sent: 01/20/03 12:53 PM > To: GARDNER-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [GARDNER] DNA testing & New England Gardners > > > Well the connection is close if you consider 1,000 years close. But in DNAlanguage, I guess that's close. > > > > We NC Gardners had to come from somewhere unless we popped > > out of the ground like the Picts did when Ireland was first > > invaded, giving a basis to the tale of the Leprechaun. > > > > Marilynn > > Hi, Marilynn: > > There seems to be some confusion here. The Picts were in > Scotland, as early as the time of the Romans and Hadrian's Wall. > The Irish (called "Scots", Latin "Scotti") invaded Scotland, I > think (don't quote me!) about 800 or 900 AD. The Picts and the > Scots were united under Kenneth McAlpin about the turn of the > millenium (ditto don't quote me on the details). > > My GARDNER ancestors arrived in New England from Scotland in > 1773, settling in Ryegate, Vermont. The county in which they > put down their new roots is named Caledonia (the old name for > Scotland) from all the Scots in Ryegate, Barnet, and the nearby > towns in Vermont. > > So here is yet *another* "New England GARDNER line". > > Darrell > > > Darrell A. Martin > working from web-based Earthlink mail > darrellm@sprynet.com > > > ==== GARDNER Mailing List ==== > Until every victim's family is comforted > Until every terrorist is brought to justice > We will remember 9-11 -- List admin. darrellm@sprynet.com > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >