You may want to look at our Web Site www.usroots.com/~gardners/index.html This gives a list of the Gardners who have joined our DNA group for testing. No, it doesn't tell us who our Great-Grandfathers were, but it does tell us to which group we belong. This broke our hearts because we wanted to be Irish Gardners and we, being "Hal" and Jim, seem to come from the same group of Semitic or Mediterranean families. Eventually this will be more detailed and we can learn more but at least we know to which group we DON'T belong. Why don't you join us? Gardners of the world, UNITE! Marilynn